| IVOD_ID |
168877 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168877 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-28T14:47:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-28T15:04:45+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/35437261a170eb0307eed7fb8fd4974266e90e72df29f72f83710ce15de464032f230d750febacb15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林思銘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:47:29 - 15:04:45 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「一、立法院不分朝野堅定支持我國總統進行對外國是訪問，堅持台灣人有走向世界，與世界各國交往合作的權利。二、嚴正譴責中華人民共和國政府以脅迫手段迫使第三國撤銷我國元首專機飛航許可之粗暴行為，違反聯合國憲章、國際民航公約精神、外交關係慣例，並構成對第三國主權之公然干涉。三、促請外交部、駐外館處、國際民航組織（ICAO）之友我代表及所有可行管道，將本事件列入國際紀錄，且尋求國際民航組織、聯合國人權理事會等多邊機制之關注與因應，並就中華人民共和國對我國長期之脅迫行為，研擬完整之法律文件與政策白皮書，於年度外交報告中專章說明。四、呼籲世界上所有理念相近之民主夥伴，正視中華人民共和國對他國實施經濟與外交脅迫之行為，將其納入各國『反脅迫』（anti-coercion）之政策工具與立法檢討。並以具體行動聲援我國維護正當國際交往之權利，共同捍衛以規則為基礎之國際秩序、自由開放之國際航空體系，以及中小型國家免於威權霸凌之主權空間。中華民國是主權獨立的民主國家，任何外部勢力之脅迫、封鎖或打壓，皆不能改變我國走向世界、與民主夥伴並肩同行之決心。本院全體委員將超越黨派立場，團結一致，捍衛國家主權、民主自由與國際尊嚴。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）四、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）五、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝主席主席我請卓院長請卓院長備詢還有教育部請部長也一起教育部部長請備詢 |
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林國元好 是 院長好 院長關於新竹縣在前年2024年提出了新竹縣高中五大方案的需求我想我在上個會期以後跟部長還有您來詢問 |
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我們包含新設立縣立實驗高中、六家高中以及湖口高中的正班闊校還有文興國中與志強國中改制為完全中協總共經費薛徐35億 |
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在前年2024年1月8日時任行政院副院長鄭文燦他訪視新竹科學園區實驗高中當時直接承諾行政院會負責幫忙承諾中央負責挹注有關新竹縣建校正班的經費 |
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所以新竹縣政府就向行政院提報了申請補助35億元的新設學校及正班的經費 |
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那同時我們在立法院教育委員會在同年的7月26號到新竹地區來考察當時的教育部次長張亮萬堅以及副組長戴淑芬也直接承諾負責會幫忙預祝有關新竹縣建校增班的相關的經費當然這也包含了苗栗以及新竹市 |
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但是我們新竹縣就提報了建校增班的經費35億我想請問院長跟部長時間也過了快兩年縣府已經將這五大方案提報到行政院請教一部來呈報給行政院是否已經有所補助目前補助的金額是多少 |
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好 謝謝林委員其中這個實驗中學一所還有兩所是高中的正班還有兩所國中的升格為完全中學那這個進度各有不同目前這個實驗中學進度今年這個A115年度已經可以 已經設立要準備招生了是不是所以他另外兩個國中要轉成這個完全中學的也在今年跟明年度會陸續的改制完成 |
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那所需的經費目前教育部是納入整個新竹整個的公立高中跟學校校舍計畫當中包括竹苗地區的整個規劃我想這個議題我想不只本席關心另外新竹縣的另外委員新委員他也非常關心那麼在這個2024年的11月29號我看他的臉書 |
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他也表示說他已經拜會行政院秘書長龔明欣當時龔明欣是擔任行政院秘書長表示感謝卓院長您感謝您對這個案子的全力協助以專簽經費補助所需的經費所以我很好奇專簽補助的經費在哪裡因為我剛才還打電話問新竹縣政府教育局他說一分錢都沒有到位 |
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學校都已經今年幾所已經在今年的8月就要完工還有幾所明年就要也是一樣就要完工了但是經費都沒有到位所以這些經費到底行政院未來要做如何的一個補助 |
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剛剛我也報告過這個整體的經費納入竹竹苗地區公立高中的整個校舍等等的計畫當中所以已經不是專簽補助了教育部裡面有因為你當時是承諾是要專簽補助這是一個專案的計畫 |
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我會跟你提到你剛才你所提到的這個現在已經把它納入為這個就是大新竹地區竹竹苗的一個新興計畫的補助的一個經費裡面嘛院長您的意思是這樣嗎再請部長來做說明目前進度前確實我們在今年因為隨著本來當時確實有這樣的一個計畫行政院這一個有三年的一個計畫對新興人口學校裡面 |
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的一個發展的一個這個興建或者校舍的一個建建有44億的這樣一個計畫但是後來因為去年這個財化法以後所以就變成他確實在地方的一個經費就多了那儘管地方的一個經費我們期待說國民教育在地方政府裡面本 |
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地方自治的權責他能夠來承擔但是教育部也把他當作一個新興的一個計畫我們在今年也感謝我們大院同意這一個新興計畫已經可以動之我們在3.3億裡面第一期大概對這一個所謂的我們數位實驗高中或者一些偵辦的部門 |
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我們除了有規劃會或者一些補助我想在這個部分我們就可以已經開始院長也在這個4月21號也這個通函我們中央部會新興計畫也可以開始啟動做這樣的一個補充說明您的這個說法我想我也非常了解跟理解 |
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那剛才提到當初你 我過去多次也詢問過你啦你們不管是國教署長都私底下告訴我說這個一定會專案補助那可能要經過行政院來同意但是就是說因為財化法的問題所以你們對於這個到底要補助的層數是多少遲遲不願意給我一個非常明確的一個答案 |
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那剛才你也很明確的說明就是因為地方多了財化法的一個金額的挹注所以未來的金額的補助可能就會不多啦就盡量把這個事項交給地方去做自治嘛但是院長我想你自己也了解目前行政院的態度對財化法是不執行的所以我今天為什麼要提出這個問題 |
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因為現在財劃法就沒有執行 地方沒有這個財源我們現在有財劃法在執行財劃法有執行嗎今年的預算就是依照財劃法編的只是後來再修正的那個更嚴重的破壞到地方權利我這樣講 其實我很想跟你告訴你這3.3億真的是杯水車薪 |
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地方提報的是35億這3.3億包含了大新竹地區竹竹苗的整個三個縣市要共用的新竹縣市分配到多少 您知道嗎 |
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不過依照剛剛部長說 剛剛委員答覆的財劃法 現在我們執行的財劃法地方已經統籌分配稅款4615億是多了4615億竟然多了那麼多為什麼這一次在新興計畫的補助裡面只有3.3億啊多是多在地方的統籌分配稅款所以地方應該有更多的財力那他提報出來為什麼到現在都沒有下文呢 |
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都沒有下文啊今年的預算今年的預算你也知道現在還在審當中新的預算可以用其他的預算還在審當中所以院長你的意思是說如果今年的總預算總預算通過之後絕對不止這3.3億囉不過跟委員報告如果 |
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大院能夠在審慎的來審議院版的裁判法那未來中央地方各種補助讓中央更有彈性更有能力更有調節力絕對會比現在的裁判法還要合理院長我要告訴你一件事我覺得你要跟書賢院長來比你真的對於教育的關心你沒有那麼大器 |
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這不是大器 我告訴你一件事有錢當然能夠大器錢都地方拿走了 地方應該大器才對那我想過去依照這個舊的財劃法蘇院長的時代一樣我們財劃法也沒有修正是啊 那是以前的財劃法現在已經被修正了委員這個不能本末倒置財劃法已經被大院修正了一年地方多拿走4165億的統籌分配稅款這是事實 也是目前執行的財劃法 |
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蘇前院長在2022年的時候我想他親自到我們當時我們也是竹北地區整個全台四個新興的區域因為人家是少子化 我們是逆成長孩子一直增加 所以有新建學校的必要全台有四個縣市 包含新竹縣的竹北市當時我們提報了24億上來建立四所國中 國小 |
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蘇院長到其中一個嘉峰國小去視察正在興建當中我跟當時的林維州委員我們邀請院長一起下去看 |
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蘇院長跟當時的潘文忠部長他看了之後他馬上才是這個絕對是家長跟孩子的一個需求教育不能等待啊 教育不能打折扣啊所以馬上他就拍板定案 補助七成啊24億補助七成 大概16.8億 |
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如果今年中央政府還能夠維持當年蘇院長那個時候的一般性補助跟計畫性補助我們當然可以朝這個方向來講但是你所知道的事實就是一般性補助已經大幅的減少因為4615億已經到的地方了我已經告訴你了我現在要的是最後的結果 |
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633.877 |
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659.952 |
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我想這個過程我們不要再去論它了我現在就是問你如果以後這個裁判法現在已經你們就是過了你們也不執行所以就回到原來的預算並非如此現在是有裁判法的是大約通過的新的裁判法那為什麼只補助到3.3億35億只補助3.3億這個比例你看連一成都不到人家過去蘇院長是到七成 |
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661.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
682.25 |
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我想主院長您要歷史留名啊如果您對教育是這麼關心的話新竹縣的縣民家長這些孩子會感謝您的你讓他們能夠就近入學這個報告委員你這樣的一個帽子我可戴不起如果我們現在還有當年舒全院長時候的 |
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683.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
694.014 |
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統籌分配稅款的話那當然可以考慮啊事實不然啊我這個講法完全是為您好啊不是事實不然中央被地方拿走4165億的統籌分配這個部分委員都不提我剛才這意思強調了如果說這個齁這一次的總預算副委通過之後 |
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701.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
724.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
你還是補助這3.3億嗎我們要衡量財政能力衡量中央現在的財政能力我們有財務能力可以的話我們當然全力補助地方無論重大建設甚至包括委員所對教育但事實已經不是這樣子了嘛這個就表示您對教育這一塊真的非常的小心不是 這個委員誤會大了怎麼會差距那麼大呢如果你說你補助五成完 |
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725.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
750.539 |
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對你肯定你只有一成不到耶而且新竹縣我該問你你分配到多少你可以回答我所以我才覺得說你怎麼會把這個案子我們多次的跟您拜託教育部這個案子給我們重視到目前新竹縣一毛錢都沒有拿到而且剛才告訴我3.3億只分配到1.2億35分之1.2 |
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755.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
777.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
你看這個一層都不到委員您應該非常清楚源頭在哪裡就是整個中央地方的財政結構發生重大的變化一年4165億的通貨分配成本到地方去中央就少了這麼多的調節能力所以一般性補助降低計劃性補助也必須要做同樣的一個調整所以在裡面調整的功能就非常非常的小 |
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778.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
802.663 |
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那如果回到行政院現在在大院裡面還在審查的院版裁判法那我們有信心也有能力來做更合理的中央與地方的補助你有信心有合理一定要審查院版的裁判法所以如果說未來整個總預算通過之後我還是做最後的我不想這個問題再浪費下去您願意多補助給新竹縣嗎不是只有這個1.2億而已 |
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804.765 |
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824.481 |
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我會請教育部在審慎的評估在中央現在僅有的這種財政條件能力底下能做多少我們盡量做大家對您的觀感就會覺得行政院一樣的民進黨執政時代的行政院怎麼會差那麼多 |
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825.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
847.261 |
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就是因為委員你錯誤的這種論調造成錯誤的影響連影響論調都是非常的合情合理我想我也不會去隨便做批判從開始到現在您都不提這個統籌分配稅款財發法不執行我也告訴你所以財發法不執行錢還是在你們的我們在執行的是已經修正過的財發法委員你是不是時序有點錯誤調 |
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848.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
850.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
你已經說不執行了你現在說你有執行上一個修正案你說的是第二個修正案 |
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862.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
886.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
回到如果是原來的版本那為什麼蘇貞昌院長他可以去一下大刀闊斧的補助計程一樣的裁判法因為他的裁判法是以前是被你們修正掉的裁判法修正後的你不執行啊回到原來的裁判法這個你誤會大了現在我們在執行的是新的裁判法拜託你我拜託你真的不要忽視難道地方沒有多拿掉 |
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888.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
910.17 |
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4165億的統籌分配稅款嗎委員你這個誤會很大你不執行根本沒拿掉怎麼會拿掉呢委員你這個誤會真的大不執行怎麼會拿掉呢你再回去看一下所以新興計畫也給你們了你這邊3.3億所以可見你對新竹縣的這個高中政務大辦還是多麼的不重視你的記憶是有一些落差的我只剩33秒最後我要請那個李洋理部長 |
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913.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
940.641 |
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那個部長請回 鄭部長請回謝謝委員您好院長我想這問題我還是問部長比較好部長你從選手轉任主管決策上任到現在七個多月了國人對你都有高度的期待也希望您能夠以自身豐富的經驗 |
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996.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
998.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
好 謝謝林委員 |
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1036.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1037.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
好 謝謝林委員 謝謝左院長 |