| IVOD_ID |
168869 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168869 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-28T09:45:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-28T10:03:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/35437261a170eb0387059b67dec8cebf66e90e72df29f72fb7c213fc50a082c6ae5e27c9773548e45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:45:01 - 10:03:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院民進黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「一、立法院不分朝野堅定支持我國總統進行對外國是訪問，堅持台灣人有走向世界，與世界各國交往合作的權利。二、嚴正譴責中華人民共和國政府以脅迫手段迫使第三國撤銷我國元首專機飛航許可之粗暴行為，違反聯合國憲章、國際民航公約精神、外交關係慣例，並構成對第三國主權之公然干涉。三、促請外交部、駐外館處、國際民航組織（ICAO）之友我代表及所有可行管道，將本事件列入國際紀錄，且尋求國際民航組織、聯合國人權理事會等多邊機制之關注與因應，並就中華人民共和國對我國長期之脅迫行為，研擬完整之法律文件與政策白皮書，於年度外交報告中專章說明。四、呼籲世界上所有理念相近之民主夥伴，正視中華人民共和國對他國實施經濟與外交脅迫之行為，將其納入各國『反脅迫』（anti-coercion）之政策工具與立法檢討。並以具體行動聲援我國維護正當國際交往之權利，共同捍衛以規則為基礎之國際秩序、自由開放之國際航空體系，以及中小型國家免於威權霸凌之主權空間。中華民國是主權獨立的民主國家，任何外部勢力之脅迫、封鎖或打壓，皆不能改變我國走向世界、與民主夥伴並肩同行之決心。本院全體委員將超越黨派立場，團結一致，捍衛國家主權、民主自由與國際尊嚴。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）四、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）五、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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農業部的部長我們要請教就是因為我們的大蒜是我們雲林縣的一個重點我們在三四月都是在做採收今年因為是氣貨變遷知道這個過程農業部已經有做了一些措施但是我現在就是還是要在這裡跟農民發聲就是說除了 |
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這個氣候變遷就變成常態了我們的存糧也太多了我們要如何來進口跟本產做一個調整不要讓農民的大蒜的價錢一直都是被壓制在很低的一個成本農業部有沒有做這樣的一個措施我跟委員報告其實大蒜的產業在雲林地區是一個非常重要的產業 |
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那國產的大概四萬一千多噸然後進口大概一萬三千多噸表示說國產的還是大於進口的部分進口是補足我們國內的需求的不足但是今年好像是進口的存量還是很多 |
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沒有 今年度的進口 因為進口我們有去年的部分 那是去年的部分所以在今年的部分 特別是你也關注的在雲年的地區 之前我們提出因為瞬間的採收造成一些價格低落我們用28塊去協助這個我知道然後天然障礙 我們也開了天然障礙的一個救助 |
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對這個我知道我現在要跟農業部長就是說現在這個是氣候變遷這是一個常態那如何我們來做一個危機處理然後能做一個危機的一個評估然後提出一個政策出來我想這樣才能夠達到一個社會韌性我們一直在談的在總統常常在講我們要有社會韌性所以呢這一個評估這個我在這裡呢我就是希望我們的農業部能夠做 |
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那個氣候變稱的一些配套出來好 謝謝謝謝蔡委員 謝謝卓院長下一位黃秀芳委員 徐富奎委員沈發慧委員之質詢均已書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報下一位請邱振金委員質詢 |
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好主席好我們先請我們卓院長還有我們農業部陳部長經濟部龔部長請卓院長陳部長龔部長備詢 |
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邱委員好院長好 兩位部長好我想請問一下4月份初我們的強降雨我們投沙河溪議題15分鐘水位就漲到2公尺第二天我和鍾縣長一起就到現場去看當時也有請我們二屬的同仁一起過來其實我們看到這個問題是這樣就是25年前的河道工法當然沒有辦法應付現在的極端氣候 |
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那我們看一下這個點 |
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這是一個問題另外一個問題就是說我們驅動橋被竹林雜木堵塞但是為什麼會堵塞每一次說要清魚的時候護魚團體就出來了就出來說這個是我們泛島市營區的一個棲息地我想請教一下農業部管的是保育的魚經濟部管的是河道不管是魚或者是河道 |
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那我想,院長,人命比較重要還是保育比較重要?我們任何的作為都是以人民的安全為優先,但是人要跟大自然相處,這也是不變的定義。當然,對,我現在意思就是說,我們每一次講到晴雨,就是碰到這些保育類的一些動物或者是魚類, |
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延遲了我們去該做的一些事情像這樣的一個嚴重的事情院長可不可以答應我們未來在這種事情方面我們是不是先考量我們人民的生命的安全所以我們在未來編的四年的縣市館河川以及更大的水流域的改善過程當中我們著眼的就是保障人民的生命財產安全這個是最重要的但是在做任何改善工程的時候要跟大自然和平相處所以要融在一起這個也是不錯的 |
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對這個當然我希望我們好好來解決這個事情啦不要每一次碰到環保議題大家都退縮了好不好該做的事情還是要做啦我跟委員報告就是遇到這種天然災害的時候特別是在非常危難的議題或其他方式的時候我們是一定是以人民為優先不會說先去救這些保育類的動物這個就是絕對不會的 |
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我希望這樣我們以後就秉持這個原則那天花湖水庫蓋好之後我想未來這種狀況可能就會減少那當天二合局去看的時候有四座橋需要改建那現在需要改建大概要兩億多兩億多但是我們投鄉公所在財化法修改之後他每年大概多了五百萬 |
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他的這一次的支付額就要達到四五千萬我想請教院長這個部分能不能納入在我們這個天花湖水庫興建的時候的一起這個整個配套的管理在新這個施工上把它規劃進去不要讓地方來出這個錢嘛 |
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天花湖水庫是我們全國這個水庫珍珠串計畫很重要的一個據點如果這個串起來之後那全國的供水系統會更為安全那什麼時候會核電這個部分這個水利署經濟部他已經就天花湖水庫提出一個計畫當中我的意思是這四座橋可不可以夾在裡面行政院因為在審議當中應該很快因為有經濟的流程這四座橋可不可以夾進去 |
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我回去再看一下這個情況你叫一個鄉公所你要叫他加四五千萬你要叫他十年不吃不喝因為原來已經送到行政院去是不是可以再加我要回去再check一下因為等於是計畫有所變更因為你叫他我們現在是叫他出18%他真的沒辦法負擔鄉鎮公所哪有這個能力 |
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有啦委員這個現在的這個財務法鄉鎮地方都出了很多現政府都有很多的經費啊好不好 這個是很緊急的問題因為你要興建這個天花湖水庫我沒有叫你另外再抓預算進來就併在裡面來處理嘛 |
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所以我剛剛提到我們回去check一下因為他等於是可能計畫要有所變更我們再來瞭解我們再來看最近這禮拜大家都應該看到聚焦馬鈴薯印度移工當然還有軍購炒得不可開交的時候大家忽略了其實魔鬼藏在細節裡面我們一個個來看美國要賣豬肉牛肉來台灣要求不能茶廠 |
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邊境不能多檢後市場也不能抽菸還要放寬殘留容許值這些你們都點頭答應了最離譜的是什麼連美國要求在檢驗的時候不能用隨解步驟釋放萊克多巴胺你們竟然也答應院長你知不知道這代表什麼 |
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這個檢驗的標準是跟Codex一樣的標準我們並沒有獨創一個什麼樣檢驗的標準以前我們是要水檢來做檢查川普的國際標準當然數據要好看程序要簡單那不能阻礙美國產品流通的速度院長你知道萊特德班當年在藥廠開發的時候試驗的樣本是多少嗎 |
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六個那六個成年人的男性最後完成試驗的只有五個一個人因為劑量調高之後身體不適所以退出檢驗這也是歐盟跟其他地區禁用的原因那萊克多巴胺在身體裡是用結核鈦存在就像穿了這個保護罩過去我們台灣的規矩檢驗時要經過酸水解或酵素水解就是把這個保護罩去掉才能夠驗出腫瘤案 量案 |
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那現在美方要求不能用水解我們只要驗自由鈦在科學上就是技術性隱瞞你們準備把0.04ppm放寬到0.09那現在連這個尺都要改掉如果不水解驗出來的0.08很可能實際含有0.15 |
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我跟委員報告一下就是在整個邊境檢查那據我所了解那個衛福部在這裡的處理第一個部分就是你剛才講的就是拉克多巴的一個檢測方式是用水解的方式他其實是符合我們Codex標準因為我們的豬肉或者是我們也是要雙向在貿易的過程中相關的檢疫的標準要一致你不能說近來比較嚴民進黨強調是食安農林冷現在變成美方壓力我們要農冷 |
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我想這個部分跟我們的一定是確保我們國人的食的安全的前提之下再去檢討他的相關的一個檢測技術美國豬農要賣豬肉到中國大陸到歐盟他們可以透過美國農業部的這個USDA的這個無售肉精驗證計畫生產完全不含萊劑的產品為什麼美國人可以在中國生產這樣的無萊豬面對台灣卻要我們吞下去 |
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我想我們台灣是在跟美國我們在做相關的貿易的過程中要有一致的標準我們台灣人的健康比大陸人低減我想委員的話可能我必須稍微修正一下我們在所有的邊境的查驗跟相關的檢驗標準一定是在確保國人食安的前提之下去討論的 |
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不會說任意的放寬而犧牲了國人的食的安全我們現在是美國要求什麼我們就做什麼我覺得我們是雙邊大家在討論過程中我們的談判代表根本不是去全約的而是去畫牙我跟委員報告我們的豬肉現在是上個飛機我們也希望銷到美國去那雙邊在豬肉的貿易之下的所有的檢測標準是要一致化的所以我們是以符合國際的一個標準來確保我們國人的食安再來我們看這個ART裡面 |
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我們台灣答應了什麼根據AIT協議第五節第五點四條之五你們承諾美國海關來台進行合規訪查我直接問美國官員進到台灣工廠需不需要檢察官陪同或者是我們官員陪同還是說他們隨時都可以進入他們來我們的領土執行他的公權力我們的法律又如何保障保護我們的這些產業院長你可以回答嗎 |
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到我們這裡來查訪必須依照我們這裡所有的規定跟標準我們這裡政府的公權力存在你們已經承諾讓美國海關來台進行這樣的一個合約裡面是有的我們也會到美國的地方去查場我們也會到美國的地方去查場我跟委員講因為你這邊講到是基於國安的部分所有檢疫的部分必須去查場的部分一定是我們 |
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雙方都可以嗎 我們可以去查他的嗎 |
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我們很多像我們的牛子牛血輸進來的時候我們會到美國去看他們的場是不是符合我們的期待不是說我們不能過去沒有說我們不能過去啊 |
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我們該查場因為要不查場會根據你輸入的樣態然後該查場的話我們一定會去查場那我再問那協議第5.4條之6的規定那如果中華民國跟中國簽署新的經貿合定美國就可以終止這份協議對不對 |
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所以現在我們大陸釋出這個很多的利多我們連談都不敢談是不是因為簽了這個協議然後我們不能跟大陸去做這些合作我想這是兩碼子的事情以我們農業來講我們重視我們的一些多元的市場的開發這是我們一直在努力的部分我們在簽任何的美國跟美國相關的農業的部分我們絕對不會考慮第三個國家是怎麼樣 |
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因為我看到這份ART的協定台灣承擔超過120項的強制義務美國卻只有不到15項連兩岸正常交流都被這個協議來鎖死民進黨是不是要我覺得我們政府不應該把我們台灣就壓單邊走到極端化應該要多元化剛剛部長也有這樣講對不對我們這個部分還是會堅持嗎 |
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我想我們一直堅持多元化的一個目標市場除了美國以外我們隨時也在跟澳洲 紐西蘭 日本還有歐盟在談所有的農產品的一個進出那我再問 院長協議第6.1條台灣要開放並促進投資的產業包含電力 電信 礦產 基礎建設這點沒錯吧 |
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855.559 |
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雙向投資有來有往過去這些產業是不是都是許可制跟限額制涉及國安審查要來我們這裡投資這種產業的過程當中也必須符合我國的法律規定如果他們要進來我們有說不得權利嗎 |
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我們有一定的資金的限制比例的限制甚至對象的限制我們都會有的而且這個限制都不會因為這樣而改變既然已經存在的這個限制我們都依法進行那美國如果說要進來咧?如果美國要求我們要開放呢?他必須依照我們的雙方談妥的內容跟我國的法律來執行好那未來我們在能源電力關鍵資源這些產業政府的權力是可以限制還是只能管理不能拒絕? |
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看看這個各該內容如果禁止外國人來投資的當然就沒有例外規定好那我再問齁這個台美MOU裡面齁企業去美國投資2500億美金這是天花板還是地板 |
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這是雙方談好的一個投資的一個未來的計畫對所以未來更多嘛所以這是2514最底嗎最底價嗎不是最底價我們希望美黃希望我們有這樣的產業去讓我們鼓勵我國的國內產業做全球的佈局 |
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920.648 |
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942.318 |
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你6.6條規定台灣應促進策略性高科技製造外移這就是一個持續性的業務只要美國有這個需求這2500億就是第一波濟貧後續會隨著產業的集體搬遷而不斷追加這個NOU裡面也是這樣寫的沒有談到所謂這是第一波我們NOU說我們台灣企業會去美國大投資台灣政府會停 |
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| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
971.58 |
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會去投資 ART 裡面直接寫實台灣要負責信用保證萬一賠錢或借錢 台灣政府要扛美國則出動銀行來負責貸款這就是我們台灣出保證信用保證基本上它也是一個金融的商業上的機制以前說去蓋牆 ART 現在的制度鎖定就是你的這個技術安全標準都要跟美國同步你去到那邊是一定要這樣 他們說什麼我們就要配合 |
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| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
994.466 |
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沒有啊 這個是完全是配合我們企業界他在做立足台灣佈局全球他有這樣的有訂單有這樣的期待那我們怎麼樣幫他協助因為我看到你們NOU裡面說這個美國蓋園區ART寫得更直接變成台灣有義務要配合等於是把我們台灣最厲害的這個新竹科學園區直接負責貼上來 |
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995.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1014.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
應該反過來講就是說美國要配合我們的台商在那邊獲得最好的待遇真的能夠在那邊接到訂單可是NOU說的是要提升美國本土的產能啊AIT說的是很直白喔就是說要推動美國製造所有的投資和制度最後目標只有一個就是讓美國的工廠動起來嘛 |
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1015.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1031.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
就是我們產業的延伸 財力量的延伸美方從能源 土地以及各種行政作業上都要強力配合我們我們MOU裡面說我們要多買美國的天然氣那ART直接把價格飆上去了444億美金因為天然氣我們主要是針對我們 |
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1031.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1052.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
NOE又說了美國會給台灣232條款的官會優惠那AIT把這個獎勵制度變成這個我們來招商然後給你們免稅把這些東西當誘餌讓我們台灣企業過去因為我們答應一定是我們覺得這樣對我們是有利的我們才會答應好啦我時間不夠最後再問一下這個院長 |
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1054.384 |
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1075.87 |
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我們行政院總署2026年6月就公布我們公務人員加薪的大幅調整這部分會做嗎公務人員加薪 對專業家級的大幅調整行政院的人事總署通過沒有 已經把這個計畫報到行政院去那他就會循 |
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1077.031 |
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1085.817 |
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公文的程序 學長支持嗎我們會全盤考量 包括有機會在六月底 明年度的 新公交有機會挑先當然好 謝謝邱委員 謝謝卓院長下一位吳琦 |