| IVOD_ID |
168861 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168861 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-27 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-27T10:31:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-27T10:41:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8fcf676897be76b917ba07dfdd07eaf4fe7e989f52ae31568df8c171d4c1cef9ff2541df1b7df3cd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱慧洳 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:31:14 - 10:41:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期「對總統提出彈劾案」全院委員會聽證會（事由：第11屆第5會期「對總統提出彈劾案」全院委員會聽證會） |
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各位與會的委員先進大家好那有請氣候先鋒者聯盟楊家法發起人麻煩請楊發起人說名 |
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楊發起人您好那我想我是一個政治素人也是一個立院的菜鳥那今天站在這個史上第一次總統被彈劾的聽證會心中百感交集不知道是要覺得榮幸還是覺得悲哀那我想總統的施政作為如果不是倒行逆施荒腔走板我想我們國會是不會輕易啟動彈劾的 |
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那剛在您的說明過程當中我們也知道過去10年台電的支出飆漲19倍那我想淨零轉型呢已經跳票了再生能源撐不起場面風電風光的發電量只佔全國的發電12%但是支出卻佔台電發電購電成本的20.6%我想風光的支出卻沒有風光的績效 |
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核電關了燃煤機組開了我想錯誤的能源政策真的衝擊我們國人的健康電網韌性越來越弱電網韌性電網韌性我們沒有看到韌性只看到韌性的小動物出來幫我們背鍋那我想錯誤的能源政策真的比貪污還可怕那我想除了比貪污更可怕的之外除了 |
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比錯誤的政策更可怕之外的問題還有這個政府滿口謊言粉飾太平還有操作對立所以剛您有一些指控我想指控是歷歷在目那我想我想這些指控並不是空穴來風也不是憑空的捏造那我想請問你政府的數據指出說我們的備轉容量率都在10%以上您說只有6%請問您有證據嗎 |
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謝謝委員那我的回答是說我們可以去google全天備轉容量全天備轉容量這個網站他可以去收集所有台電的整天的備轉容量率那當然政府的公開的數據是只有指出日間風但是實際上台灣最危險的時候是在傍晚太陽下山之後開始一直到七點半左右 |
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所以其實政府只講好聽的給你好看的美化的數據他危險的數據他不會跟你講那我們其實在今年4月 |
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然後在其實今年1到3月也很多次大概5次去年大概有20次就是被轉能量率來到黃燈跟橘燈之間就是大概6到7%上下並不是像政府講的說有10%到15%那這個都可以有網路上都可以查的那我們應該要看的是每天的最低點而不是看白天尖峰的最低點這是我要強調的 |
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了解那我另外想請教您我們的卓榮泰院長在4月13號有提到說我們的天然氣是無雨的結果過了三天我們的鞏明新部長卻說為了因應天然氣的調度所以要開啟麥寮的電廠請問您覺得這只是單純的調度嗎還是有能源欠缺的問題呢不知您的看法為何他們應該是在做 |
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超前部署但是其實也不只是台塑賣寮其實更早之前你可以看到今年一到三月台中火力電廠燃煤的用量這一百天有七十四天都超越去年的同期表示在台塑賣寮之前中火已經先多燒煤了 |
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這表示我們的能源政策整個是錯誤的那你遇到一個卡達的天然氣的問題你馬上就得要去趕快調貨這個其實是很不好的一件事情了解 那我另外想跟您請教因為河山停業之後我們的政府一直宣稱說並沒有缺電 台灣沒有缺電你覺得這是事實嗎 |
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他說沒有缺電可是你去看過去這幾年如果你沒有缺電為什麼還要台積電用他們的發電機因為台電可能電不夠了他希望台積電能夠降載可是我們知道台積電不可能為了你去停掉產線這損失太大了他們只用他們的發電機 |
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你過去五年台積電的發電機總共發了五千七百次這只是台積電而已你還有其他的科技大廠都是用發電機如果你電真的夠為什麼要用發電機用民間企業的發電機在幫忙發所以這個很明顯了解 那我想再請教您就是為了粉飾太平台電的基層花了多少人力 花了多少物力 |
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我們其實可以看到最近因為也不是最近這幾年啦這幾年我們的電廠的大修的期程都被要求壓縮也許本來四十幾天的都壓縮到三十幾天就要把它大修要完成要趕快上線因為很吃力那也看到很多已經 |
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已經除疫的機組沒有操作許可的機組他也是叫他用緊急的名義什麼名義定期測試的名義包括前幾天4月23號新達的燃煤機組4號機也是用定期測試上來他都已經50年了都已經除疫了為什麼還要定期測試還要多燒煤這一點都不經濟而且也是一個污染 |
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了解 那我想再跟您請教再生能源初期成本會高但是隨著技術的成熟會下降請問你認同這樣的說法嗎我講一下 我基本上是認同但是我們有一個問題我們看到為什麼我們現在我們的風電我們的光電的採購的成本 |
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比越南比韓國比菲律賓比泰國都還來得貴更比中國大陸貴因為我們在2010年我們簽訂了一個很超乎行情的一個合約就是高價的合約你離岸盟店一度店那時候要5.8塊一簽就20年你當然變成造成後面台電的一個嚴重的一個財政的包袱然後也變成是一個沒辦法你現在就是這樣子就是一個高的店價 |
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了解 那我另外想請教你中火的燃煤總量提升那是因為今年的用電量增加嗎你認同這樣的說法嗎我們看到3月的話的用電量是大概比去年多1.19%的用電成長我認為如果你真的供電充裕你說有10%的備轉容量你何必為了這一%的成長 |
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去多燒那些燃煤你不是說有什麼風光嗎不是說我們的供電充裕嗎其實沒有啊不一定了解那我最後想跟您請教就是台積電他啟動發電機請問這是契約內的電力調度嗎如果這是契約內的電力調度請問這樣算缺電嗎 |
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就我的了解台積電沒有跟台電有簽任何續量反應或續量競價的合約他完全是一個人情的請託或是台電去拜託他降載那他不得不不得不去啟用他的柴油發電機那我個人是很 |
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認為這樣是很不妥的你今天叫許多科技大廠去使用他們的柴油發電機這也有空污排放的問題也沒有人去注意到這件事情那這個對於他們整個產線也是會有電力供應穩定的問題所以我覺得這個只是一個美化數據或是說政府不願意說出實話的一個做法 |
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了解謝謝我們洋發起人的說明那我想從你的說明當中真的讓我們聽的真的心驚膽顫而且甚至是痛心疾首就是我們國家的一個能源政策既然是政府這麼無腦的然後胡亂作為那呈現在我們眼前的一個能源政策真的是 |
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燃煤量大增讓人民用電用廢發電做出一個犧牲做出一個健康的犧牲我想錯誤的能源政策不只會擴大我們的財務黑洞也會擴大我們國家的一個安全的一個危機再生能源的政策也會從人民的口袋掏錢然後也會破壞我們國家的韌性請問一下楊發起人你認同這樣的說法嗎 |
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認同完全認同那我想我們的政府不應該在操作對立也不應該在內耗我們應該是理性務實科學的去面對我們的能源政策就如同剛我說的 |
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能源轉型這個已經變成是一個口號當口號變成了是一個掠奪我想受害的是人民的荷包受害的是國家的財務受害的是國家的安全所以我們在呼籲這裡在呼籲政府我們用理性科學務實的態度來因應能源政策以上說明謝謝大家好謝謝邱委員的發言謝謝楊發起人的說明謝謝 |
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接下來我們請登記第三號 |