| IVOD_ID |
168843 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168843 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-24T16:18:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-24T16:34:44+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6961fddac991000b7b3e64a971cd2e09b5a46e9be1b9bc70bd39daa9258bbe7245d84521957c0fb45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪毓祥 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:18:52 - 16:34:44 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）三、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）四、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好謝謝主席有請這個卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢副委員好院長好辛苦了最後一場好那我們想要來看的是延續在上次的討論之前先跟院長許個願一下下一頁 |
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因為我從加拿大畢業之後我就投入軟體業界然後在資通訊所以很多園區的大廠這些不管是他們的資訊系統 |
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政府的採購系統我大概做過但是我們在這個採購法這一塊其實我們資訊服務系統的採購跟我們一般造橋鋪路不太一樣所以我們在二十幾年來我們一直希望在採購法這邊可以針對資訊服務系統的採購去做一個專門的那我上次質詢這個 |
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曾經的委員的時候那因為先前葉哲良副主委他是有做這樣的資訊服務系統的指引那我想在年底前的修法那我們也希望把他納入資訊的服務專章這個再請院長幫忙一下這樣子因為我覺得這個對AI行動內閣是很重要的也對我們的政府資訊系統是很重要的一環 |
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這是許願 下次會再許願我也相信現階段的跟過去的採購概念上應該有很大的差異對 尤其不同的對象 不同的品項 不同的技術所以我會跟工程會好好地研究請他們迅速就這個部分來提出那也向委員來請教好 謝謝那因為我們延續我們上次討論的關稅的議題那就是可能很多委員都問過其實到我們現在ART MOU還是沒有收到 |
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那沒有收到當然我們相信也有很多的原因跟這個狀況那不曉得有沒有哪一些就是ART、MOU的內容是可以說在沒有牽扯到機密的情況之下等等是不是可以先送到我們這些委員來做一些參考 |
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談判團隊回來的時候我們有公布了一些內容MOU的部分啊MOU現在只有就是美國因為官網上有公布他的那個flagship那因為完整的他還在行政上他沒有做行政上的公布那我們的ART也算確定了嗎還沒有因為他還在做法律工具的轉換 |
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如果有就儘快 牽扯到這種談判機密的情況你那邊又啟動了301的調查我知道我知道 我現在是說如果可以嘛 在某些的一些可揭露的資訊不然我現在都是瞎子摸象就是摸不太清楚談判團隊回來的時候我們有公開一部分那部分現在還不會確定但是我們依照那個內容正在跟美方確認也確保我們在阿特當中所得到的待遇 |
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沒錯啦 因為現在ART啦 122 122也看起來也是會有問題根據這前一陣子法院的問題所以我想這個目前301的準備還是一個很重要的一環再下一頁那因為上次我還是很代表廠商就是說整個整合資訊的窗口查證那上次政府業長也答應我說要做一個整合的然後是在這個OTN的網站可是我看了很久還是沒有 |
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還是沒有,所以這個再麻煩,因為我想大家行動內閣也不可以很落差,還是一樣,沒有什麼改變就是把ART啦,然後這些東西放上來,就這樣子而已但是我要查一些新的關稅者,我還是要各部會各部會去看,而且你們放的都只是新聞稿跟文件所以還是希望做一個資訊系統的 |
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揭露跟整合如果經貿辦公室做不了就請經濟部做經貿辦公室主要還是談判相關的議題因為上次政府院長答應我的經濟部做上次專報在二月初的時候到現在事實上沒有新的確定的內容變更都在原來的狀態裡面那美方是在做法律因為有些貨物品像是食物然後現在業務就是食 |
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然後有一些蝴蝶仁本來是進口到那邊是零然後現在變成食物等等我說讓它維持一致的資訊嘛因為資訊的呈現還是希望real time跟正確好不好我請光部長這個應該可以啦好不好來下一頁那上次也是一個問題啊就是我們那一個2.5N在我們建廠的時候晶片輸美嘛對不對那個N是產能 |
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所以上次我在問的是問了四次就是2.5N然後之後你建廠之後量產的1.5N所以那個N那個產能我今天就給到底是 |
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我們台灣政府認定?還是台積電認定?還是美國政府認定?這個我們還在跟美國協商當中因為他等到他232公布以後他就確認因為他現在232還沒有公布但是我們那個N你期待是誰來認定?就是我們心中先不管美國對我們最有利我們跟他討論當然是希望用產能 |
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那個產能是誰認定我們跟他共同因為我們去投資廠商以後那廠商投資了多少錢可能創造多少的產能這個部分雙方要有一個確認 |
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好啦我是希望是說我們台灣政府在這一個產能的認定可以大一點強韌一點這個是我的期待我們一定爭取最最最最優秀那你就給我的答案就是我也獲得答案嘛就是我們台灣政府對不對跟我們台積電講好只有一個好的數字然後堅決跟美國去做好的談判是不是這樣子好來下一個 |
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那我為什麼要問這一個因為現在川普又在說一件事他把50%的晶片的產能移到美國然後他也說了伍特尼克說美光要投資2000億我們台積電有1650億之後他說台灣會再追加5000億也就是我們講的2500億加2500億的信保 |
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剛剛說這樣加起來是一兆 接近一兆那剛剛這個 這川普講的不是我講的 魯范尼克講的所以我說 |
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因為最重要還是根據MOU嘛我們MOU怎麼簽我們就照MOU來簽所以他講的是騙我們的嗎不是那個是他還是他的期待我不曉得他是怎麼樣的依據我們就沒有判但是我們就是針對我們跟他簽MOU因為那個數字多起來都很合理因為1650億的台積電合理2500億加2500億5000億的美金也合理 |
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1600億那個已經公佈了我知道啊,5000億他說的啊,魯特尼克說的啊好,那沒關係,我現在回過頭來問一件事喔就是說我們當時在想蘇美這麼多出口的產值來講的話我們的半導體晶片加上衍生性的產品大概是佔了76%左右對不對,最大宗所以那時候我們怕被他課稅 |
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因為川普也威脅說你不把他移過來不到這邊設草就可以重稅我現在這一張的問題就是部長因為可能院長太過分來問部長半導體晶片的課稅怎麼課?說實在的話他也還沒有講清楚他說現在 |
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現在半島零晶片是還不用課稅啊零嘛對不對上次我們回答過零那現在講整個流程我要告訴你說因為我在資通訊才坐太久我幫各位上課好了來下一頁如果我是回答下晶片下去給了台積電 |
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那台積電做好完輝達的晶片之後他是進到輝達的貨倉所以整個輝達的貨倉那整個都還是輝達的貨輝達的貨進到美國根據美國關稅他就根據他的IPO也就是說你現在的Owner是誰嘛進口商是誰所以是輝達的貨是輝達要付關稅好even是Google下單給聯發科做TPU然後再叫TSMC來出來到紅海組裝還是Google的server |
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進去進口還是Google要付關稅跟晶片的owner因為主要是進口商是誰跟院長報告進口商是誰所以呢基本上來講的話台灣都是這種模式尤其在我們的高科技廠台灣不會有走這種台灣不會走這種DTP關稅或交貨 |
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這種就是賣方要付稅,付完完稅之後再到買方去那我們台灣都是上一張我們是代工對,不是,百分對代工的話就是百分之百是上面這一張的一個模式所以,克不到水所以他如果要加裝我們不管 |
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半導體晶片或者是伺服器等等組裝的產品除了低階啦低階的話我們這些不管像NB伺服器它反正就在德州美墨家這邊就設廠了不管是偽創、鴻海、仁寶對不對,鴻基這些所以我的意思就是說不管它關稅晶片、半導體晶片怎麼課它就是課不到因為它就是必須仰賴我們生產製造 |
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目前來講的話比如說對本關稅的課法的確是課進口商的但是進口商因為他被課了如果提高稅的話他會反映給他的代工商 |
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我台積電就把駕照回到你NVIDIA、Google、Apple所以應該是NVIDIA、Google、Apple這些去push川普叫他不要亂搞所以我的意思是說最後的結論就是我們的半導體太強 不用讓太多 強勢一點要是我是部長 我真的不讓 |
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因為我在半導體產業在資通訊那麼久所以我們基本上是尊重廠商他因為商業上的原因到美國去布局這個是我們尊重所以為什麼要導出這件事情就是說我們要跟國人講的我們半導體根本不怕你瞌睡所以這個剩下只是商業雙方的行為 |
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對不對但是因為我們的不可替代性沒有辦法替代太高了所以基本上就不要害怕那下一個重點就是既然我們半高體不害怕蘇美那麼多產值不害怕的情況之下我覺得我們跳到農那一張農業就是我們在一些農業的一些的 |
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不管是什麼樣子的方式我是覺得都不應該讓不要讓因為他拿我們半導體拿我們這些高級是沒者不要讓太多像剛剛很多委員就問了馬鈴薯滋亂很多馬鈴薯滋亂是真的很多那我的意思是說剛剛院長也講了一顆一顆查驗不對嘛食藥署說2%嘛 |
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對,百分之二的查驗剛剛鍾嘉斌委員有做球給你們講了一大堆那我的問題也很單純就是假設我查驗在以前的話可能是整批貨櫃就退了 |
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那現在在他說我食藥署的這個應該是署長他YouTube裡頭就講他說沒有我們一顆查出來有FIRE我們就退一顆我覺得不太對啦我覺得應該是退整櫃就是保障國人的健康優先啦所以檢驗超標的話那是整櫃會退 |
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對啦 我是說他的節檢檢驗 超標就會退一顆都不要 因為我覺得沒有超標如果看到裡面有發芽的那麼我們就要來進行農業部後續的工作反正現在就是 |
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絕對不是院長講的一顆一顆驗嘛那是前端時間暫停好不好那個我們請農業部長上備選擇好不好不好意思2%那10%那當然不是一顆一顆驗那是抽驗2%到10% |
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那如果沒有超標那這個就沒有問題但沒有超標裡面如果看到有芽它會進到農業部農業部就會業者剛剛我有聽完整個那些的回答質詢10%那個絕對不是一顆一顆是後端的這個部分好啦 因為院長講話講太快了嘛就會被作文章因為沒有時間讓我們這樣好好的講 |
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好沒問題但是我是覺得國內還是覺得這些東西的毒素殘留還是非常的不安全對我來講不過我剛剛委員報告很簡單的講沒關係下一個議題下一個議題的話就是說整個在ART3.33就第三點三條的38項規定台灣的狂牛證BS1相關法規不適用於美國野牛這個是不是很恐怖啊 |
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這個不是我寫的我要跟委員報告就是我們針對美國部分的BSA部分他已經被認定是就是BSE的可忽略的國家那可忽略的國家的部分他的瘤的部分的所有的相關的這些產品是可以進來但是我們國家還是保齡的部分的品項是不能進來的所以跟這個野瘤的部分那野瘤如果傳染到肉瘤的部分的話那美國那邊就會被判其他的一個做法 |
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這是野牛協會2026年2月19號發布的官方新聞稿他說在台美對貿ART當中明確規定台灣的狂牛政相應法規不適用於美國野牛所以我只要是美國野牛隨便進第一個美國野牛是不會進來因為一般的進口像我們台灣的牛肉自給率只有4.6所以大部分的牛肉如果從美國進來的時候都是他們專用的肉牛沒關係來下一個 |
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所以我是覺得說還有很多東西我是覺得不應該是去讓這件事情可能在台灣這邊再嚴守一點這是我們全民的健康下一頁再往下我覺得這一陣子我收到很多這樣子不管動物用藥、塑膠袋滋潤、醫材價格然後經貿半霸凌 |
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好 謝謝洪議員 |