| IVOD_ID |
168841 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168841 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-24T15:46:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-24T16:02:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6961fddac991000b711d3cb1efc32f65b5a46e9be1b9bc70bd39daa9258bbe72023078813c0ffac65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:46:10 - 16:02:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）三、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）四、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢顏寬恆委員請準備 |
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主席、在黨委員先進、列席的政府機關事務官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生有請卓院長跟農業部陳部長跟我們經濟部的拱部長麻煩再請卓院長、農業部、經濟部備詢 |
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中國元好院長好兩位部長好我的標題很簡單業者足科檢查海關抽驗把關產地設冷庫結合儲能增任性發展新能源需設預化電網的配置來 |
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院長剛剛看到前面的翁委員在質詢,我覺得是很辛苦啦因為他一直要問陳部長,又不給陳部長講,來陳部長到底你了解的我們這個馬鈴薯進口,院長說要竹科檢驗,到底是什麼意思?送到新竹的竹科去檢驗嗎? |
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謝謝委員給我這個機會能夠比較完整的說明第一個部分我要說明的就是確保我們農業產業的環境跟國人的健康是我們農業部跟衛生部共同的責任所以在邊境檢查上我們一定是用非常嚴格的標準甚至比國外的標準還高那針對有關於加工的馬鈴薯的部分我們是採用三階段由兩個部會就是來共同來做這樣的雙重把關 |
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那第一關就是在美國輸出前他第一個一定由美國的檢疫單位一定要確保沒有帶土沒有帶病沒有帶蟲然後沒有腐爛而且噴發芽抑制劑有這樣的一個檢查以後才能夠從美國同意他出關那到了台灣是我們第二關的部分是我們的海關邊境的一個檢查 |
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那在檢查的時候,農業部門我們負責的是它本身的芽體有沒有超過標準更重要的是它的病害跟蟲害有沒有帶有這樣的一個病害或蟲害如果有的話,病害有的話是整批直接退運 |
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那蟲害的話會經過薰針那有關於牙體的部分如果發現的時候我們就會通知衛護部那同樣的衛護部在抽檢有看到牙體也會通知農業部我們互相協同那有牙體的時候衛護部就會做切檢的檢驗如果檢驗出超標的時候也是退運 |
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所以在這樣的一個前提之下只剩下都是安全的只剩下牙體過長那在過長的過程中業者會看他實際情況如果太多的時候他可能會退運但是如果他想要做一些重新整理的話他提改善企劃書 |
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那改善計畫書就會選定它的指定地點那這些指定地點合乎我們的要求然後如果確定它可以重新選別的時候我們會把這個貨櫃封簽以後送到指定的加工廠然後由我們的檢疫人員監督之下開櫃然後由業者用書中袋去做選別那有的業者有自動選別系統 |
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就能夠快速的選別選別完了以後我們才會核發檢疫證明那檢疫合格證明他才能夠進到後端的實際的加工製造所以院長所提到的竹科檢查是指在我們的加工廠做選別的時候我們一定業者是一定是每一顆每一顆都要去看如果有不合格的部分如果再讓我們檢疫人員發現的話他就是退運了 |
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好部長你花了三分鐘我一張圖就講完了啦如果說你以為的竹科檢驗是把一顆貨櫃裡面一萬顆馬鈴薯一顆一顆挑出來看嗎不是啦世界上沒有人這樣做的啦我們台灣的鳳梨台灣的芒果要輸出到日本也是一個貨櫃裡面挑幾件出來看 |
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有沒有借殼蟲對不對但是呢我們做好事如果你是工業用冷凍的不會有發芽的問題剩下兩成零售的整顆的那麼我們就會做什麼先抽驗抽驗如果不合格就請業者帶回去那他自己把一顆一顆把不合格的挑走你他覺得都合格了你送來我再抽驗一次補考補考再考一次通過就通過不通過全部推是不是這樣子 |
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院長在哪裏不用檢查是不是給你一個補考的機會不是海關一顆一顆院是業者如果他覺得我只是有些被你抽到了可能沒有那麼壞我把fire的挑走我整顆轉箱再來一樣都是合格的才會進來嘛結束好好謝謝這個業者這個行為因為他也在海關的後續行為是屬於我們這個邊境檢驗對啦第二句話 |
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不管是部長的三分鐘還是委員的一分鐘都在昨天專報裡面的兩頁兩頁都寫得很清楚我這個不用兩頁剛剛委員他沒有看不想看看不懂不會問就用這種叫罵的方式我這一張齁授權給院長跟部長可以拿去用啦一張圖就解決了來再問一下部長齁 |
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院長我們最近好不容易不再是口蹄疫的疫區有沒有覺得很振奮感謝所有養豬農跟國人一起的努力也謝謝農業部去做政策上很好的宣導但是現在對岸又發生口蹄疫了怎麼辦陳部長我想我們現在目前邊境的把關不只是非洲豬瘟包括口蹄疫的部分我們也做嚴格的把關 |
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那相關的這些高風險的疫區的部分我們一定在行李上面一定是百分之百的同意而且你還到我們屏東有養豬的地方去做講習對不對好謝謝這樣有準備就好來我要關心的是什麼關心的是外銷鳳梨黑心的事情不是黑心鳳梨 |
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鳳梨為什麼黑心?部長,除了濃度的差異造成的一個黑心很好,但是外銷的鳳梨一定要冷藏嘛所以很多傳統的果農,它的鳳梨如果沒有適當的降溫我們外銷業者送到消費地,到日本,啪啪黑心了還問鳳梨名聲很好,啪啪下去但是傳統市場會不會買到黑心的鳳梨? |
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因為傳統市場的鳳梨沒有經過什麼降溫但是有一種情況為什麼我們那麼小心做了冷庫鳳梨還是會到日本還是會到黑心呢有人找出一個原因了用太多蛋肥 |
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為什麼用那一堆蛋肥經過適當的冷存,還是會後生呢?因為農民為了個頭比較大顆,最後收成前他會下比較重的蛋肥,蛋肥下得重,鳳梨長得大顆,在傳統市場賣相好。但是如果經過了長期的運輸到日本,那個就會產生黑心,柏中你知不知道這個事情? |
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不過我想要跟委員澄清喔,您說的黑心的部分是在第110年的時候我們首次大規模的舒服到現在已經沒有這個問題了黑心的問題不是冷鏈問題有的時候是因為你把內需內銷的傳統市場的這些產品經過冷鏈送到外銷所以現在我要講一件事情讓部長,讓院長知道我們在屏東下一頁,我們的國際化的標專廠是不是明年要開始啟用 |
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在屏東這個就是呢當時設置就是要讓我們屏東的國品可以外銷的它很大那這個經營者他其實怎麼樣他是做品牌包裝因此他做品牌包裝他要求農民既然你這個鳳梨要外銷你不要求大顆你不要給我下那麼多的蛋肥這樣子我的冷庫才能確保送出的鳳梨不會黑心院長是不是這樣子所以呢要搭配好往下看但是這麼大的冷庫需要每個縣市都有嗎 |
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不需要 因為大型的冷庫不好經營他要跨區域 跨品項 還要跨內外銷我們屏東那麼多包罩的國品我們的產季也不到半年另外半年那個冷庫不能閒置所以他閒置的時候沒有外銷的時候當然他做內銷 內銷給誰給全聯 給家樂福他們的國品也是需要冷鏈的所以大型的集中的冷庫不用多但是院長部長 |
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還有沒有出到冷庫在計畫當中產地型的冷鏈系統這是我們在建構整個冷鏈網絡裡面一個非常重要的是產地型的冷鏈它最大的收益者就是農民因為農民只要有產地的冷鏈只要是小型的它可以解決田間樂它可以讓產品可以在傳統市場它可以讓運輸本來5天它可以放到10天 |
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我們的芋圓,我們屏東各地的芋圓,沒有太多芋圓,芋圓都不會那麼漂亮,但是如果五天煩惱沒收到,你就滅掉所以說風修的時候,煩惱就等你下去,如果這個介紹不太好,你放三天你就撞不掉,所以院長知道齁 |
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所以產地的冷庫對農民很重要但是產地的冷庫他沒有辦法跨品項他沒有辦法跨區域他甚至不能跨內外交他要跨什麼平常有生產季的時候兩個月四個月農用平常怎樣商用 |
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讓人家長期負擔、升遷期負擔、做團善的讓他拿來放但是如果讓人家拿來放做商用,你不能斷電那如果預防斷電,陳部長,冷庫如果預防斷電,斷電會壞掉啊?要用什麼?要用備援嗎?你是認為用發電機備援比較好還是用儲能?儲能設備儲能,但是儲能很貴,多數農民的斷電系統就是柴油發電機 |
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那現在如果我們要廣設這些產地型的冷庫,可不可以把儲能列為它的附屬設施?以我個人的判斷應該是可行的一個方式應該是可行的,部長,滾部長,如果儲能業者他除了做冷庫的不氮電設施,他也可以兼做當地區域的光電的儲能來調節電網,你覺得有沒有幫助我們電網的韌性? |
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是有幫助啊 是的他如果參與我們那個蓄量對 院長請指示經濟部跟農業部就我們農地設的冷庫它所附設的儲能是不是可以同時間做我們電網當中調節韌性的儲能好不好農業設施包括這個冷卻設施它已經附屬是可以發展這個光電 |
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已經可以發展光電如果加上光電的儲藏只能用在頭頂上的它不能用別人的它加上儲能的話會更好好 那就是院長的意思那兩位部長可以回去研究一下好不好我們會來仔細的規劃來再往下看所以現在我們往下說電網 |
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院長過去我們的台電它的電網是它做發電端也是它做大概只有兩位數的發電廠用戶端上百萬上千萬它的電網的膚色就要配合的都市計畫暴露所以過去台電它的用電戶的電網很順 |
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路開到哪裡?住宅區、工業區、商業區開到哪裡?它電就送到哪裡?那這個電網設施包括什麼?一次變電所、二次變電所、配電所還有匯線但是現在發電的地方現在不是只有二位數、兩位數的電廠現在很多光電廠都在哪裡?不在都市計劃區域 |
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這些電廠台電還要用電網去把他的電接過來所以台電就沒有辦法按照道路規劃他坐餐廳沒幾條路啊電網要怎麼設往往設的潰線設的深壓站光電者就開始搶那個配線的容量院長知道齁那怎麼解決怎麼解決解決的方式就是怎樣他有些弊端就是先唱先贏先唱先贏造成很多的浪費 |
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光電的開發商,他可能為了要搶得虧線,他要先到台電去放保證金如果時間到,他沒有辦法整合,他就要讓給第二名,然後他的保證就沒收了那第三名沒有拿到虧線的,明明整合好了,沒有虧線他也沒有辦法發電所以可不可以請院長指示部長,台電可不可以先去預化往下看就是說這個虧線容量的搶奪往下看 |
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就是能夠超前部署,這樣的話我們土地開發井然有序,公共設施按時到位 |
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部長,我剛剛跟你提過,您覺得台電是不是要為了未來的電網的韌性,我們對於發電端的電網的配置要及早做規劃,讓這些發電業者可以有所遵循,部長覺得怎麼樣?我們嘗試的來努力看看,至少從某一個區域先開始因為這個範圍實在是太大了,就是說這些光電業者 |
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他什麼時候會在哪裡開發,然後開發跟地主談的怎麼樣部長我知道,你講的我都想過,這個業者要去想腦筋,但是可以開發各種不同的發電方式的都很有限啦現在哪裡開可以發都有限都算得出來,往下看我先考一下我們的孔部長,燃料電池儲能跟水利,它是屬於發電裝置還是電網裝置 |
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除能本身它根本不會發電,它是屬於電網裝置但是水力發電過去認為是發電裝置但是它現在的抽蓄水力發電開始調節電網,它也可以設為電網裝置對不對 |
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我們現在的燃料電池,燃料電池是什麼?燃料電池是用LNG去的只是它不是透過燃燒,它透過化學反應來產生電力它是發電裝置,它也可以成為什麼?儲能裝置,就是成為電網裝置好,那往下看所以我們能源轉型2.0,電網韌性很重要我們在發展自主能源有光電、風電跟地熱我們的這個兼具電網跟發電的水力或燃料電池未來會起一具的發展 |
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那至於氫能跟儲能也要事先配置但是我們知道現在燃料電池它發的單價很貴可是它有一個好處它在目前的都市計畫裡面它比儲能還容易找到位置放所以我們可能不知道未來在都會地區我可能不見得能夠放儲能但是我可以放什麼我可以放燃料電池那燃料電池它既然可以發電是不是可以列入台電的電網跟發電裝置的設備當中 |
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是可以參與嘛 對不對因為他這個是表後的那我們現在是有一個他設置裝備的時候我們是有補助金額然後每一度事實上也有一些補助讓他覺得部長我知道你是講現在的辦法我現在要求的是你規劃未來新能源不要等到開始做了才發現法規沒有準備好 |
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我可以跟你預告未來很多傳統都市地區不能設置發電廠的它都能設置燃料電池但它需要天然氣管那如果你天然氣管沒有裝它就不能發這樣會造成我們電網跟發電裝置的不匹配所以我希望說未來往下看就是說不要再說我這個地方 |
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電網沒有設置連天然氣管也沒有設置那未來有人設的燃料電池他想成為供電跟台電來合作也做不到你瞭解嗎所以最後的結論最後結論時間的關係第一請農業部檢討法令同意農地上冷庫的負能設施剛剛答應了請經濟部檢討法令冷庫附屬的負能設施得參與台電的設電以最後有研發跟報告報告我就不講了特別是一個月請書面報告來 謝謝謝謝 麻煩請行政院 |