| IVOD_ID |
168838 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168838 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-24T14:46:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-24T15:02:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6961fddac991000bc53b4cde4b437d68b5a46e9be1b9bc70510419556c8a0eae115c5ccd0058a55f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
涂權吉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:46:30 - 15:02:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第8次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、同意權之行使事項：本院司法及法制、內政兩委員會報告審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。（5月5日上午）三、審計長列席報告中華民國113年度中央政府總決算審核報告等案審核經過並備諮詢。（5月5日下午）四、4月24日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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我們接下來請圖權級委員質詢翁曉琳委員請準備好,現在請我們左院長還有我們龔副長再請左院長經濟部長備選 |
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今天雖然是經濟組的質詢那文化部長沒有在可是這個部分還是要請我們院長跟部長在經費編列的部分來幫我們幫忙那我們先大家來回顧一下我們針對我們之前有一個文化藝術獎祝條例那在民國110年我們那時候就三讀立法修正成為文化藝術獎祝 |
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及促進條例這個新法在同年的5月19號我們就公告實施那這差別最大的影響就在新法的第15條也就是舊法的第9條它由重大工程因設置公共藝術從公有建築物造價的1%變為新法的重大公共工程造價1%也就是說之前是 |
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公有建築物造價的一趴但是新法變成重大公用工程造價的一趴那今天會提出這一部分就是在於我們觀塘異化天然氣的接收站就是我們之前講三接的部分 |
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那之前因為真愛藻礁的公投衝擊我們行政院在110年5月3號的時候有把它更改為外推方案那主要是為了減少對於藻礁的衝擊那在同年12月我們經濟部才把這個 |
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預算 相爭的預算送到行政院但是我們送行政院的時候這個預算送行政院的時候 我們文化藝術講座及促進條例早就已經公布施行也就是說這一部分應該要依照文化藝術講座及促進條例第15條應該 |
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依照直接工程費的1%來辦理公共藝術那這部分其實我們中油在111年1月的時候有送第三次修正計畫針對相關機關審查意見回覆的時候工程會就有明確的提醒台灣中油要按照新法來編列可是我們中油還是錯誤解讀這個法律 |
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所以我們後來召開了三次協調會可是召開三次協調會我們中游一下子把這個依法編列的公共藝術經費從662萬一下子又改到5288萬直到今年二月我們最後只好請文化部主管單位 |
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來解釋這個法律那他出席這個協調會之後後來文化部也在4月21號正式發函說這個外推方案的調整預算應該依照直接工程費的1%來編列公共藝術 |
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那這邊我要跟院長來報告我們當初三接他從660億後來增加到965億也就是說這個外推方案就增加了305億後來我們4月2號那天也請中郵的黃榮譽副總他也講這個 |
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305億是總工程費但是直接工程費也有250億所以真正增加的公共藝術的經費應該是2.5億那這部分我想說部長應該知道這個事情吧同仁有跟我講他是講說因為這個工程它是橫跨了舊法跟新法那就是說中間有一些不同的解釋 |
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但是後來我們也確實開過三次協調會啦那最後只好請我們這個主管這個法律的文化部已經也正式發函那今天會提出最主要目的也是要拜託院長那這個部分中油其實已經拖欠了很多年其實早在111年工程會就已經提醒台灣中油要用新法來編列可是中油他說這個還沒有實施可是我們可以知道其實他在 |
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公告的時候就已經實施所以我們這預算在送提報跟核定都是在新法之後所以這邊拜託我們院長還有部長一定要督促中遊今年一定要提報然後明年希望經濟部行政院趕快核定來送交我們立法院來審查 |
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這個部分我想經濟部應該再跟文化部或者是工程會我們再了解跨越新舊法之間如果舊法當時並沒有編列相關這個預算那在新法實施之後他又做了一些增加那要不要有一些可以折衝的方式來算這部分其實我跟院長報告其實我們開三次協調會都已經釐清的很清楚這個完全 |
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就是這個外推方案都是在我們新法實施之後才提報中遊才提報後來在111年才送交行政院核定所以文化部已經確定解讀這個法例絕對是適用新法沒有問題那今天當然我也希望院長部長了解之後希望也能夠盡快來督促中遊 |
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今年趕快提報 明年趕快核定不然這已經延宕那麼多年這對我們地方回饋公共藝術的部分真的已經延誤了很多年希望這部分我們院長跟部長多幫忙 |
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好的,我剛剛說請經濟部跟工程會跟我們來討論好,希望來了解清楚啦,這其實最重要的是那個生態的維護他只要做這一點才是他重要的工作這一點就是希望說,因為這個補助的費用差很多而且,居然我們提報是在新法這已經很明確那所以希望我們院長跟部長來督促中友趕快提報來實施那還有我們針對我們 |
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能源政策的部分的問題我想請問一下院長我們在3個月16號院長有表示非核家園在去年的5月17號已經達成所以現在不排除接受新的核能技術院長有講過對不對 |
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我們對新的核能技術一直在希望跟世界同步在研究討論將來有一點傷準的時候只要它符合到安全沒有核廢料的問題以及大家有共識接受我們都希望跟世界同步對這個方向我們也是樂觀啟程我們也是支持啦而且我們賴總統也在上個月22號他也宣布核二核三台電可以開始 |
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重啟評估所以基本上不管是院長新的核能技術還是賴總統在3月22號針對核核酸的重啟評估所以那時候我們有講嘛2025非核家園也已經走過了那我們現在就像剛剛院長講的我們可以的話會朝向接受核能發電不管是舊技術新技術只要能夠安全之下我們都有可能用核能發電嘛對不對 |
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我們的核能三原則還是要遵守的就是核安、核廢還有社會有共識另外現在的核三廠它必須由台電來提出再運轉計畫以及自主安全檢查縱交核安會來進行審核之後才能夠啟動所以只要在這些條件都符合之下我們是有可能啟動也要自主安全檢查的過程跟再運轉計畫都能夠合乎核安會的審核的同意 |
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所以看起來我們能源政策其實是有機會做改變所以重點我是要詢問一下因為在上個月我們三接的二期工程在觀音有召開公聽會其實民眾反彈非常的劇烈因為又要再新做六座的除氣槽他們是非常的恐慌我今天請問部長針對觀塘液化天然氣接收站 |
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三接他的建制背景當初他的建制背景是什麼為什麼要去做這個三接因為他要供應北部的大潭電廠的天然氣發電有這樣的需要就是也希望逐步增加燃氣的發電量燃氣增加以後你當然要有接收站然後才有辦法實施就是增加燃氣它的發電量 |
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現在我們逐步調高燃氣的發電量那是當時我們因為我們當時的背景我們就是因為非核家園所以我們在能源配比上的部分是不是在燃氣的部分燃氣目的是要減煤我們要取代煤那因為不管怎樣你核能的話你最多核二核三也只有占百分之十 |
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所以我們當初我們的能源配比是20%的再生能源30%的燃煤跟50%的燃氣所以我們這個三接的目的其實就是增加燃氣的發電量這樣沒有錯吧對 那煤是盡快的把它降下來因為當初的煤是接近50%現在已經降了我們希望可以降到30%所以我們看我們當初這個 |
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在104年他有針對三接做可行性研究報告其實他最主要計畫摘要的部分就是針對三接這個投資計畫我們台灣中油配合台電因應政府確保河岸穩健檢核打造綠能低氮環境邁向非核家園的新的能源政策 |
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所以這是當初我們這個計畫上面有寫它災藥重要的部分所以也是因應非核家園所以把燃氣的配比提高因為我們現在的儲存量是11天大家都覺得可能風險比較高希望增加到14天就是說儲存槽必須一定要有增加才有辦法可以讓這個 |
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安全的天數往上增加所以我知道因為我們在增加六座主要還是增加它燃氣增加它的發電量所以我們那時候目標其實我們目標是希望能夠增加到24天可是我們要知道其實像14天 |
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其實像我們這次美伊戰爭我們天然氣主要的輸出有一個國家卡達像我們這次這個燃氣我們就沒有辦法進來所以這樣子也有可能會影響我們燃氣進來會變成說我們天然氣輸入進來也有可能因為像這次美伊戰爭的影響 |
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所以我們希望啊 既然我們的能源政策現在看起來有去做改變而且也說如果好的安全的核能技術我們有可能啟用核能市長桃園最近的這個產業發展非常非常的熱絡而且算力中心呢 主要從北部來講的話它優先也是在桃園最主要的原因就是因為桃園它的電力非常中足 |
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他是支撐整個桃園很大很大產業發展的基礎我們也支持電一定要夠用所以只是說我們是說院長跟總統現在也都認為我們可能能源政策配比的方向可能會有所改變所以我們希望是不是能夠重新訂定能源白皮書說清楚講明白我們將來的能源配比可能會怎麼樣去做 |
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能源的政策並沒有大改變以氣換煤這是很重要性的一個原則所以未來幾年我們會有很多的新的燃氣機組更新替代這個燃煤機組再來第三點就是剛剛部長講的我們必須增加燃氣的安全存量那這個做下來的這些目的一方是安全更重要的是要一一這樣來 |
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讓所有各縣市的產業能夠充分的有充裕的電力能夠來運用包括桃園市在內我今天會提出其實最主要目的就是說我要讓院長跟部長知道這個三接二期我們地方反彈非常非常的劇烈而且那我們今天居然看到我們居然 |
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新的能源政策有可能去做一些調整改變希望這個三接二期是不是可以先重新檢討或者先暫緩等到我們新的能源政策能源配比出來之後再來決定這個三接二期是不是確定要興建 |
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我們會加強溝通 包括委員 即便是因為河山是在南部 河二如果重啟 那個也是非常之後的事情好 沒關係 希望說因為時間的問題啦桃園的產業發展真的是因為它發展的好 是因為它電力非常好好 我希望這個三接二齊的部分 希望還是對 我知道 所以我說因為我們並不是 |
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我們電還是需要 只是說這個有機會去做調整那居然如果有新的能源方向那是不是有機會把這個三接二期因為民眾真的反彈很劇烈希望能夠先暫緩討論是不是有這個機會不需要再增加六座的電氣廠我們在提高這個電燃氣 |
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儲量的安全這個前提底下就是讓國家的能源更安全同時不會因為提高儲量的安全增加地方的安全顧慮這一點請委員能夠支持我們一起跟當地的居民們做更多的說明希望他們能夠理解支持國家重大的這個能源政策 |
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我希望說就是有機會檢討一下我今天要反映的重點是說如果有新的能源政策然後三接二期民眾居然反應這麼激烈如果有機會的話請院長部長了解一下三接二期是不是有機會做調整那請院長部長這部分多幫忙還有針對我們農業工廠協會這我簡單說明一下農業工廠我們在一百 |
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在108年的時候修正109年實施6年的時間你看我們第三階段申請特定工廠有12733家到第四階段成功變更只有230家 |
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第四個階段成功取得一般工廠的只有八家也只有萬分之六所以希望這部分院長、部長幫我們加強輔導希望能夠讓他們轉型成功我跟人報告一樣就是農地的一些工廠要合法化的 |
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它如果屬於非低汙染的部分那屬於低汙染的部分才有建造成輔導性的可能會來進入這些部分好 我希望我們店長來跟朋友講我們農業部針對我們這一部隊希望加強輔導因為他們一直很想轉型可是這個比例真的太低也希望今天舉出來希望能夠加強輔導讓他們能夠轉型成功不然這個成功的比例真的太低了 |
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希望行政院部門 |