| IVOD_ID |
168812 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168812 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-23T11:36:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-23T11:48:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a0a6b12795be5442fa3dc5f35d68cd0d6726ceb1fc879916a9438ec9e4ea00b362239c163286f5825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:20 - 11:48:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、農業部陳部長駿季、衛生福利部石部長崇良、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿就「馬鈴薯輸入之邊境管制、檢疫、查驗等機制如何保障國人食品安全，及後市場抽驗預算執行情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第3項一般性補助款-財政部主管第1目財政部、第2目國庫署；第13項一般性補助款-其他第1至8目。災害準備金。第二預備金。（僅詢答）
【預算提案截止時間：4月23日（四）下午5時】） |
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謝謝主席我們先請這個陳淑季長 |
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委員好主席長好現在我們才要來審查今年度的預算其實今年度的預算應該是去年底就要審查了你們這一次的115年度的總預算稅率是編列2兆8623億稅出是3兆350億那是在去年的8月29號就送到立法院來了所以超過230天終於要覆為審查了 |
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那其實在上禮拜的時候我有問過這個主計長面對這個中東的戰事那其實去年在編預算的時候也沒有遇到然後呢這個上次有跟這個主計長提到就是說這個各部會面對這個中東戰事所需要的經費你說各部會大概統籌下來需要大概1292億啦 |
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那時候我有提到說那是不是用特別預算的方式來做處理那主席長那時候回答說那也是一種方式啦那想請教一下主席長因為現在預算是付為審查的那應該有機會在五六月的時候通過啦那所以現在院裡面的態度因為的確我們還是需要這一筆預算那這筆預算來因應中東戰事那現在院裡面的態度是用特別預算還是用追加預算的方式來做處理 |
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因為目前還沒有定案啦因為如果說特別預算就要你訂特別條例先經過立法院來通過如果用追加預算就是照了時間直接辦追加預算那第二個呢當初是提1292億這個是各單位各部會提報的數據那還沒有經過他整個的一個 |
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補助期間或者是說單價和細節去完成審查但是陸陸續續如果以中友來講他除了吸收他那個價格到目前為止是114億左右這個部分但是其他他還有吸收要吸收一些成本因為現在他進貨的一個成本每一個貨輪他都漲價 |
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將來如果不論是特別預算或是追加預算金額會比這個1291還更多就對了 |
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那這要看你編列的期限是多少譬如說我如果說不住三個月譬如說我有對所謂的交通的部分公共巴士或者其他的一個補貼都有補貼 |
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那這個部分公共運輸的一個補貼那這個部分他要看你補貼期間的多少那因為他有一個油價的上限那我們現在是動漲他有達到上限要補助開始補助或者是說到什麼時候截止或者要不要補計程車或者是其他的一個相關的中油的他補貼的這個部分要怎麼補貼台電的天然氣的部分要怎麼補貼這個部分都必須要一個一個去算那各部位 |
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譬如說你講的經濟部或交通部或農業部他們已經有有一個目前需要的一個數字這個補貼的一些預算送上去所以你才會給我1291億這個數字這是最初期的最初期的所以我才問說那如果我是聽主計長這樣講那是不是這一個因為戰事也不知道哪時候會結束聽聽打打的那所以最後有可能這個數字會再比這個 |
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超過這個數字1292億就對了是的 也有可能啦因為目前我們請他們陸續提報但是這個部分因為像中油的話它吸收的成本非常的多以現在來講它的成本就是整個是高漲起來那將來一定要做有一些的一個補貼那所以要用特別預算或是用最佳預算都還沒有確定就對了 |
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但是的確是需要這筆錢 這筆預算因為我們這一個穩定物價或是說對於這一個各行各業的補貼其實已經陸陸續續在開始在做了好 那我再請教一下主計長這個總預算有附帶的條件 |
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那附帶條件就是說要行政院在半年內提出有關軍人待遇條例還有這個警察人員人事條例的相關修正案還有其他有關軍公教的保障措施那我請一下主席長那當然這個目前這部分我們是先釋憲了但是因為在野黨有要求然後為了這個讓總運算能夠審查那所以行政院這邊看起來是有讓步就是說主任長說 |
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對於這兩項的修正案還有軍公教整體待遇調整的想法應該還可以有加強的地方更符合國軍的照顧也照顧到國家財政的紀律也符合憲政的精神請問一下主計長那這個要怎麼做因為看起來就是要再追加預算了嘛不然你們去年就是沒有這筆預算啊 |
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這個部分我要跟委員報告,院長有指示未來將以體制健全、法治完備、公平、恆平、財政永續這四大原則來做整個檢討整體軍公教的待遇所以這個部分不管是在公平性、恆平性還有財政永續的基礎上 |
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是要怎麼樣那人總還有跟相關有一些政務委員都一直在開會在模擬這個整個相關的一個我的意思是說這個四個條件那最後要這個完備但是呢你要符合這一個比如說在野黨他們的要求 |
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那我看起來就是最後你必須要用最佳預算的方式來做處理啦因為你去年沒有編這些預算嘛對不對你是講說軍公教、警校或是說整體的這個公務人員的待遇的調整那看起來就是要再追加一筆預算啦我們會看將來的一個討論出來的一個結果我們來做整個一個裁員的研議 |
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阿對啊我的意思是說啦因為你不可能沒有回應嘛你變成說你有回應的話這筆預算在去年你們編的時候根本就沒有啊對不對那到最後變成還是要用最佳預算方式來做處理啦有點像是去年的這個進發補償條例的方式了啦 |
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我們必須要看整個實施的日期因為院長要裁定說實施的日期看實施的日期到底是什麼時候然後來確定說第一個我們的裁員第二個實施的日期有可能比如說明年那就是弄在這個明年的預算就對了這也是一種方式就對了那你們現在在編概算了吧現在編明年的概算了對不對所以應該就把這筆預算把它想進去了嘛 |
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現在目前還沒有金額因為現在討論的一個還沒有定案這個一直在人總一直在提方式跟一些相關的一個單位來做討論那我的意思是說似乎就是可能要用這一個行政院自己提不管是條例的一些調整或是說我們自己主動提到說如何再讓這個軍工教育這個待遇能夠再增加 |
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那一定最後是提到錢的問題嘛就是預算啊那看起來如果說是在明年實施那當然就是屬於明年的預算了那可能今年就不一定用最佳預算的方式來做處理了啦大概是這個方式嘛是不是好 OK謝謝主席長那我請這個財政部今天是阮次長來嗎還是誰次長好來 林次長那你邊走我邊問啦這個 |
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2025年 去年 按照你們的資料全國的賦稅的收入是3,879億 創歷史新高連續五年呈現正成長然後呢 高出預算數最多其實就是證交稅啦證交稅這一個超出預算數234億 那其實是遺產稅那但是呢 看起來 這個我們的稅率是增加的 |
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515.643 |
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527.274 |
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但是呢 這也是從2021年來首次出現的短針跟運算數相比呢 去年的10針的金額叫運算數短少了143億元那 請教一下市長 這個 |
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我們的賦稅收入增加,但是實際上又短徵,那短徵原因在哪裡?其實我覺得最主要,最主要因為...署長,最主要是因為他去年,就是我們在去年結算申報的時候,前一年的時候我們是有給他分期或者延期申報 |
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554.371 |
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577.479 |
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那到去年申報的時候,他就整個要補回來所以基本上我們雖然是說有一點時申數比預算數要少一點,但是少的非常小就是在1%以內非常精準,所以我們去年的預算數的估列是非常精準的 |
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577.879 |
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587.566 |
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沒有啦 你們算是那個證交稅就不精準啦證交稅一來一往就差了快400億欸你們是本來還減劣喔 本來是編2500億 減劣了193億但是實際上呢 超出預算數是234億我是說一來一往就400億了 這部分就不精準了啦 |
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有時候是這樣啦,稅收我們編制到執行真的是有一個落差啦真的是很難掌握啦不過就去年來講,我們按來切去所以我是覺得說時增數達到預算數99%點幾也就是說差距真的非常小雖然有時候有些稅務是多的,但是有些稅務是少的我再問一下啦 |
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628.889 |
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這是其實是今年度的預算我們在這邊討論因為你們去年收多少今年都已經知道了嘛對對對那明年度的預算咧在我是說在證交稅這方面咧當然明年度可能是九月之後的事情但是我就是要請教一下因為目前看起來股市是蠻熱的然後呢我看你們第一季的這一個報告證交稅是連續八個月維持正成長的是是那所以說 |
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658.978 |
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680.075 |
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現在在估明年的這個這個預算數還有這個這個證交稅這方面的話應該是不至於再低估了吧其實我覺得這個國際政經情勢這個變動非常的快速啦有時候還很難說現在就說得準啦這個風雨飄來的時間台灣都屹立不搖了這中東戰事突然期間這個股市 |
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這個跌跌漲漲 台股還是 我看今天本來有到38000對 但是後來還是會掉下來對 我的意思是說 因為第一季第一季其實你們時增數是有增加的我是希望說你們在預估這個證交稅這方面的話能夠再估準一點不然你們這一個 去年你們認為說今年這一個股市沒有那麼熱 還減劣 |
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剪裂了增加稅 隨便倒沒有啊還增加了兩百多億啊另外我跟委員順便報告一下就是說我們從今年第一季第一季我們就是全國數來講比上一年同期大概增加一千零一十五億啊但是就中央來講中央其實是少了這個三百五十三億因為是財務法的關係啊因為財務法的關係啊請市長用書面做回覆好 謝謝 |