| IVOD_ID |
16878 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16878 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-20T08:33:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-20T12:17:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:43:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbc83a07a3e0006e9d1db55c1e05b5a14c112bf0b47f4e58e3a3a17c44575eb1405ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長就「協助中小企業災後復原辦理情況」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:33:16 - 12:17:00 |
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谢谢大家 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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好請報告出席人數報告全體會出席委員12人已足法定人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第三會期經濟委員會第19次圈契委員會議事錄 時間114年8月7日星期四9時至12時51分 地點紅樓101會議室出席委員楊瀟英等14人 列席委員賴氏寶準10人 列席人員國家發展委員會主任委員劉靜卿等 主席謝昭吉委員依奉 包事項依先讀上次會議事錄決定確定 而邀請國家發展委員會主任委員就美國對等關稅抵定後 |
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我國經濟未來之景氣情況及產業全球佈局新規劃進行報告並備諮詢國家發展委員會主任委員劉靜清報告後委員楊瓊英等18人提出諮詢經由國家發展委員會主任委員劉靜清等及其答覆決定一登記發展委員除不在場者外區域均已發言完畢詢答結束二委員林黛樺張家俊及張啟凱所提書面諮詢列入記錄刊登公報三書面諮詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於週內以書面答覆並複製本會散會宣讀完畢 |
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好 現在進行報告事項請宣讀邀請經濟部部長就協助中小企業災後復原辦理情況進行報告並被質詢宣讀完畢請經濟部郭之輝部長報告主席各位委員大家早 |
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1754.58 |
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今天承蒙贵委员会的邀请就协助中小企业灾后复原办理情形进行专案报告进行购物委员不吝示教但那是台风于七月上旬侵袭台湾随后728豪雨更造成中南部地区多处灾损 |
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1755.541 |
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1776.666 |
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房屋損毁超过4万户 电线杆倒塌3500只以上电信 通讯 道路等设施中断 许多民众生活陷入困境地方产业营业也遭受冲击行政院与经济部团队于风灾第一时间即投入现场 |
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1777.446 |
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1805.315 |
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日夜搶修受損設施逐步恢復電力與自來水的供應並迅速展開恢復水電供應及清理設施環境等工作7月30日行政院也成立雲嘉南災後復原前進指揮所進一步展開重建復原工作行政院於最短時間內推動災後復原重建特別條例並編列600億元預算其中經濟部 |
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編列了187.4億元聚焦於強化電網與水利設施的韌性推動治理工程同時提供受災企業與店家援助以及汰換設備補助等多元的援助當然是颱風 |
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及728豪雨重創雲江南地區經濟部在第一時間啟動緊急應變措施協助受災民眾修復房屋台水台電以全力進入搶修協助恢復供電供水等基本生活需求 |
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1847.318 |
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1863.19 |
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我們推動電費與水費減免措施只要停電超過一個小時停水超過24小時台電和台水都會依比例自動扣減費用民眾不用申請同時也結合產業資源送暖請據業者 |
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1865.734 |
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1886.441 |
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捐贈超過五千件群聚家電業者提供冰箱、洗衣機、冷氣等九百多台並協助太舊換新與維修希望能受災戶家庭在最艱困的時候能有最基本的生活安定 |
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1887.843 |
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1911.113 |
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經濟補儀災後第一時間即啟動馬上辦理中心單一窗口受理受災業者來電諮詢針對融資協助利息補貼以及稅務減免等需求提供立即的協助必要時亦開立受災證明並轉介至相關金融機構 |
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1912.574 |
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1938.232 |
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截至8月18日已提供了321通电话的咨询服务并开立63件企业受灾证明令经济部、产业灾后复建服务团整合马上办服务中心、园管局、产业竞争力中心及联府基金会深入产业园区与企业聚落 |
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1939.053 |
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1955.346 |
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共仿似103家受灾厂商提供厂房修缮积水排除废弃物清运等融资税务协助等快速到会简化程序的一站式服务 |
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1956.914 |
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1981.142 |
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此外,经济部亦参加立法委员及行政院于灾区召开的多场座谈会,并多次访视受灾企业请听业者复原重建的需求,将相关建议纳入后续协处措施,特别是受灾企业对复工的贷款。 |
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1982.611 |
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2002.643 |
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自8月11日起,经济部更加强以行动服务团巡回灾区,每日上午于台南市的嘉里区公所提供咨询服务,下午则巡回七谷、安南等,一直到六甲及夏营等十几个行政区,把服务送到第一线。 |
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2003.82 |
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2019.596 |
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在紡釋的過程中有受災餐飲店家因冷藏設備進水報廢擔心無法營運而影響生計也有小型業者反映屋頂受損至室內機具故障行動服務團隨即協助 |
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2021.838 |
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2049.778 |
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其申请相关补助及机具太旧换新方案使厂商在最短的时间内恢复营业行动服务团将持续扩大巡回服务范围使更多的受灾企业就近获得协助对受灾店家援助的方案我们针对招牌、电卷门、铁卷门、摊台等生财器具的毁损 |
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2050.68 |
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2069.606 |
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每家提供一万元现金援助对象为灾区具税级登记商家及传统市场业势摊商台南市政府自8月11日起已受理267件嘉义市 嘉义县及高雄市亦陆续公告受理 |
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2071.072 |
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2096.118 |
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在受灾店家设备汰换补助方案补助受灾店家购置节能设备比例为购置金额的50%每家最高5万元项目包括一般能效空调冰箱节能标章照明及冷冻柜等对象为灾期据税级登记的商家及传统市场夜市的摊商 |
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2097.881 |
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2107.877 |
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采线上申请将尽数公告受理对于制造业生产设备及场域设施的复原补治专案 |
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2108.82 |
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2120.773 |
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我們針對機器設備修復、調校以及生產場域的設施修繕每家企業最高補助20萬元補助的範圍從寬認定包括機器設備、鐵捲門、屋頂、貨梯等皆可納入補助目前已經受理398件 |
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对补助节能及动力设备方面针对企业用电100kW以上的企业导入ESCO技术每案最高补助500万元集团最高补助1500万元另对部分受灾制造业者复工过程中购置高效率的空压机、风机以及高效率马达等设备 |
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2158.419 |
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2175.24 |
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每kW补助700至5000元每家最高500万元大型企业可达1500万元截至8月15日共有105家申请补助的金额接近2000万元 |
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2176.513 |
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2195.153 |
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关于灾害复工贷款及利息的补贴方面业者申请中小企业灾害复旧贷款以及企业小投家贷款100万元内保证10成逾100万元保证9.5成利率本来是2.22% |
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可以申请利息补贴政府补贴1.72%企业仅需支付0.5%补贴1到3年每家最高可以补贴50万原有的贷款可以展延者政府补贴利息1.685%补贴1至3年每家最高40万元以上受理期限为114年7月5日至115年1月4日 |
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但是經濟部正加速研擬災後復工貸款補貼全額利息補貼的期間一年每戶最高50萬元以減輕受災中小企業復工的資金壓力災後一個月來經濟部全力投入復原工作透過定點及巡迴服務的多元補助方案 |
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協助受災企業將持續與縣市政府密切合作傾聽災區需求確保企業盡速回復營運進一步秉持雨天擴大撐傘的精神採取重寬 重塑 重減 |
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协调金融机构加速贷款审核缩短核贷与送保时程协助业者快速复原以上报告敬请各位委员指正视教并祝各位委员身体健康出事顺利 |
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谢谢现在进行询答委员咨询前原例作以下宣告每位委员发言时间本会委员六分钟必要时得延长两分钟非本会委员五分钟上午十点三十分截止发言登记首先我们先请邱毅英委员做询答 |
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謝謝主席我請一下部長郭部長委員長 |
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部長早部長我想經歷過丹納斯颱風跟728的豪雨對您來講應該也是心情像喜三溫暖這應該是您有史以來第一次有這樣的機會實際進入到災區實際去勘災了解到天災對於整體環境所受到的影響您個人有什麼看法 |
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就你剛剛的報告其實就是很數據上面政府現在應該要補助多少補助多少但是我想您在經濟部的這個位置上面其實看到這樣的一個風災災後政府有很多的重建工作要做其實不是只是現在的這些paperwork您覺得就現行的台灣的整體在面對到這樣子的一個巨大的天災 |
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的時候你覺得經濟部有什麼可以再多做一些的或者是說我們現在的整體的建設上有什麼不足的是 報告員我想聽一下你的看法我想人逆己逆我多次到災區去這個跟著總統或者院長我們多次去這個跟著他們去訪視這整個災區我大概應該有這一個多月以來應該有15次以上到災區去訪視 |
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我们看了这一次的这个灾情确实是非常非常的严重所以我一直请我们经济部的同仁在我们的责任范围里面要用最快的速度然后去帮忙把这个灾区能够复建起来比如说我们现在前进办公室成立以后经济部对于这个复建的部分 |
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我們的這個水利署跟台水公司我們負責的責任區我們都是最快的速度大家都用同理心來協助處理我們面對的這個問題好 部長來先讓您講到這裡你講到災後復健的部分那我就先來跟您討論一下災後復健的部分 |
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當然今天主席排定的議程是討論中小企業不過因為在這一次的丹納斯風災跟728的豪雨其實在高雄的地區受災最嚴重是在山區這些就是我們您所謂的災後復建這是路斷掉了 橋斷掉了那經濟部水利署或者是說公路總局花了非常多的時間而且非常快速的 |
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幾天幾夜都沒有睡覺在搶救這些道路但是相對來講其實你也可以看到這是很脆弱的一環那講到補償 你講中小企業的補償我就是要跟您討論山區這一次受災嚴重但是山區沒有中小企業 |
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山區的觀光受到了非常大的影響山區的比如說我們的這些小吃部啦這些零售業者啦這個農產加工品等等他們其實都受到了相當大的影響但是目前這樣看起來並不符合在我們所謂的中小企業的這一些補助裡頭 |
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那这些要怎么办你们未来在经济部跟跨部会比如说跟这个观光署或者是跟其他的单位有没有这样的跨部会的灾后的这些补救的措施或者是说要等到我们的这个特别预算通过之后才能来做这一方面我们院长有指示就是说不用等到这个特别预算过后才来处理这个救灾的事情 |
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我們會用我們現在有的這個預算範圍裡面趕快先去做因為救災最重要所以在您剛所提的這個地區我們是有這個服務業的協助措施的 |
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它是属于服务业的一部分我们大概分成服务业服务业你协助它什么哪一方面比如说它是店家它是店家我们就是援助它每一家我们会先给它一万块钱然后协助它做铁卷门招牌摊台展示架你只要是在受灾地区的全部都可以吗它没有税级登记没有什么登记的你只要是在灾后地区的全部都可以摊饭我们会把它列为摊饭 |
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好那有这些有开始做了吗现在是开始做已经开始在盘点了是不是应该是在盘点而已吧应该我还没有听到有任何已经开始是我们是盘点透过当地的管理机构先盘点但是我们现在把比较严重的地方处理 |
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接著我們就 我知道部長當然你要先去處理很多的中小企業因為很多的我們的這個台灣的中小企業佔了八成嘛那就業人口其實非常多也是在這些中小企業裡頭包括嘉義 台南其實很多的中小企業受損當然你們要去做這些事情那我現在要跟您談的是在高雄的這些山區的相對剝奪感是比較大的那他們除了道路受損以外其實電力的中斷電力的脆弱 |
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这个我想这个也是您应该要非常重视是 报告委员在未来我们会结合这个电力的部分我们会优先因为这个山区负电比较慢对所以我们会先把发电机送过去 |
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所以未來就是只要有風災就是設置發電機馬上就到這個發電機就會前置作業先到發電機或者是儲能櫃等等我們都會先去做這個其實在去年山陀兒的時候曾文森董事長在這邊也特別也提過我也同樣質詢過這個問題也同樣提過這件事情 |
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但是很顯然的這一次應該也沒有因應到也沒有去想到說這個風災會這麼嚴重這個水災會這麼嚴重但是我比較想要再談的就是說我們所謂的電網韌性計畫我覺得台灣的整體電網其實是相對脆弱一個颱風來去年這個是在高雄 |
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電線桿倒一排今年是在嘉義跟台南整個電線桿倒一排超過一個禮拜以上的停電所有的台電工程人員不眠不休的搶救甚至還造成人命的傷亡但是這個電網電纜地下化的這個政策我們從三年前開始就說要花5645億去做電網韌性計畫 |
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那到底開始做了沒做了哪些那你們要優先去盤點你們現在說要去盤點一些優先的地區這些優先的地區包括哪些地方是要做優先的地區有沒有去做這一方面的盤點 |
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现在开始在做这方面现在才开始要做现在具体的因为当初您刚才所指导的这个5000多亿的这个是全国的是全国的他分10年做嘛这过去提出来的5000多亿没有分10年你们这不是分10年的计划吗我们现在要缩短现在要缩短我们没有办法等到10年是所以我们现在把它缩短到这个总统的指示到2028年2028年所以3年内要完成对 |
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三年內要完成台電有這樣的量能或者是說台電有足夠的足夠的經費可以來做這件事情嗎就我們大家來努力柏定我現在是這樣說我當然希望你們能夠努力啦但能不能給我一個比較確切比如說你們現在盤點出來哪些地方會是優先這會說一步報告委員我們可以把這個盤點表跟時程表送給您好 |
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那預算呢台電還有錢嗎5645億你如果分成三年的話一年要將近1500 1600億 |
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台電有錢嗎要編列啦要來編列這個預算不是編列而已啦保電池你現在不只是編列而已不是你編列這個預算你台電就沒錢了你反而也沒要撥補一千億給你你台電怎麼有錢可以繼續做這個我們現在先把這個所謂太陽能光電太陽能光電的地區然後先支援附近的這個鄉鎮這個是我們一個新的智慧電網 |
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因为台电太阳能光电的这个跟我讲的电缆地下化是有相关的吗跟电缆地下化没有相关对啊我现在是跟你讲电缆地下化的但是我们是要让大家有电可以用所以我们就是光电第二天太阳出来以后它就能够产生电所以我们就会把它接到那个变电所然后来供给他们的用电这样子 |
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部長我覺得台電其實應該要整體再去做更快速的這些盤點到底你的哪一些區域是優先的是工業區要優先呢還是臨海的這些比較容易受到損害的要做優先呢有一個很重要的例子當初蘇貞昌院長在做平和公路的電纜地下化的時候被罵到臭頭 |
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被罵到臭頭但是現在你看經歷了過去年跟今年平和公路一帶沒有任何停電所以被罵不是壞事你們要能夠耐得住撐得住這個壓力做對的事情堅持做對的事情要能夠撐得住這個壓力那當然我們要給台電最多最多的 |
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支持跟協助啊沒電的時候大家都會一直說台電怎麼那麼快來可是真的台電需要經費的時候大家又不肯給啊又說什麼台電很有錢啊台電不需要這個經費啦我覺得這個是沒道理的所以部長我期待就是說台電當然要加緊腳步去做電纜地下化的整體這些電網韌性的政策要趕快加緊腳步去做那對於預算的爭取其實台電也要據理力爭 |
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好不好好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝那我們現在請鄭正前委員做詢答那在鄭委員詢答前我們先確定那個議事錄那請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有無錯誤沒有喔那我們就議事錄確定 |
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謝謝主席我想請一下郭部長郭部長委員長部長好今天主席安排了一個災後復原的一個狀態那我今天特別來針對一個台灣一個產業它也碰到一個大災難就是我們看一下就是汽車產業今年上半年六大車廠的情況慘不忍睹 |
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就是包括裕隆 中華車 三洋 合泰車 裕日車還有範德永業他們整個上半年的一個狀態都嚴重的虧損六大車廠全部都一面倒那我在想說這一面倒當中的時候我們看到中華車跟裕日車 |
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就是衰退超過三成這真的是一個產業上的一個大災難我想請問一下部長對於這樣的一個狀態的時候那經濟部是不是有掌握產業下滑的原因跟影響是在什麼地方可不可以請部長簡單回答我可不可以請我們署長他這方面比較了解 可以謝謝報告委員那因為這一次的這個關稅的談判 |
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導致的一些消費者他們的觀望他們是期待說是不是有進一步的可能的關稅降低然後再 |
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這個等於是買氣下降所以你覺得是關稅的問題是大環境的問題對不對所以在這狀態當中的時候我們看到這整個狀態然後我要特別先看下一頁而且這個狀態的時候其實是整個1到7月全部都大幅的衰退而且不分進口車不分國產車全部都衰退我們回到上一頁在這樣的一個情況之下的時候我要特別幫就是 |
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國內的國產車的產業特別請命他們在碰到這樣一個大海嘯過程當中的時候我們經濟部有沒有什麼具體的一個方式有沒有一個具體的一個政策或者一個方案針對一個國產車的一個部分給他們適當的一個協助跟扶持 |
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回報委員那因為我們上次談到的這個產業支持方案最先的意思是說希望能夠針對於消美的這樣子的一個影響來做產業支持那現在我們可以把這個產業支持方案把它擴大解釋成為說假設我們將來談判完了以後有擴大市場 |
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對內銷的部分如果造成衝擊我們也可以適用產業支持方案所以在這種情況之下的話我們也希望能夠爭取將汽車產業列入產業支持方案受衝擊的這個產業的這樣的一個協助的範疇 |
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OK產業支持方案的部分因為坦白說關稅的問題的時候之前全部的重點都是放在出口的產業那這可以理解因為是美國掀起這一次對等關稅的一個戰爭可是對於整個國內的產業來說的時候汽車產業是一個馬上就是被 |
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槍打到 馬上被槍打到 馬上躺平那麼在這樣的一個情況之下的時候就是不只是進口車受影響國內的製造的汽車 國產車也受到大量的一個影響那國產車的重要性因為它牽涉到了30多萬人到50萬人家庭當中的一個影響這個部分而且它的產業鏈是很複雜很多的台灣有很多的汽車零配件的廠商也是國際級的 |
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所以不管是車前的部分或者是車後市場的部分的時候都非常的重要所以針對這個國產車的這個部分的時候呢本期希望經濟部這邊除了產發組這邊的時候我們希望有更具體的一個部分給他們更大的一個幫助因為當我們看到整個 |
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六大車廠全部都一面倒的時候我們就知道問題非常非常的嚴重它勢必會影響到整個台灣現有的一個汽車產業那也包括所有的汽車零組件的部分所以在這邊可不可以請署長或部長跟署長這邊針對這個部分可不可以有進一步的一個說明 |
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報告委員 我們從這個4月份開始就不斷地跟業者在討論希望說面臨到這個關稅這樣的一個進口的這種衝擊那麼國內的這些車廠應該如何來因應那我們都有討論 不斷地在討論不斷地在溝通我們希望能夠找到一條適合他們在台灣發展的這樣的一個方向 |
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那因為這個是沒有 還沒有一個確定每一家廠商 因為他們很多都是外系日系的 韓系的對 目前所謂的國產車器全部都是外國的品牌他們在台灣這邊做組裝即使做組裝這個部分對整個台灣的一個汽車產業還是有一些貢獻不管在就業的部分 |
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或者是說在一些相關技術的一個升級上面來說都還是很重要的所以本席希望說我們經濟部在考量整個汽車產業當中的時候對於國產車的部分跟進口車的部分雖然目前前七個月所有的汽車產業全部都倒可是對於國產車的部分的時候我們希望經濟部這邊基於整個產業扶持的狀態的時候能夠有更具體的方案提出來是 報告委員我們現在盡量來跟他們討論 |
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希望他们能够发展台湾的优势产业在车辆上面选择这个车的这个车的这个怎么讲比如说电动车这样的这一款是不是在台湾制造对他们来讲是比较有利的他因为是国际品牌所以他虽然没有发展电动车是他的主力 |
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那他可能都是以油電車為主力但是我們建議他是不是可以把全世界他需要生產電動車可以在台灣來生產市部長這樣子的一個產業穩定方案或者說你這邊提到一個建議產業發展方向大概什麼時候可以提出來我們都一直在討論我們都一直在討論但是我想可不可以盡快給我一個時間因為我想說他們這樣導成一片的時候他們需要有一些 |
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我們的方法我們一直要尊重這個企業產業我們是協助它但是我們不能夠我們對這些產業我們關心的程度跟委員是一樣的理解部長 我再想說針對這個部分因為國產車的這個部分因為它牽涉到太多家庭了30萬到50萬的一個家庭都受到國產汽車這樣子的影響所以我們希望經濟部這邊能夠扮演更好的一個角色好不好 |
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是然後對於整個國產車的一個扶持的部分一定要有更具體的一個操作的方式那之後請部長這邊也隨時給本席一些相關的一些經濟部這邊新的一個方向跟政策有什麼樣進度就隨時跟本辦公室這邊做一個回報好不好好的 |
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好 那麼接下來因為8月23號的時候有一個公投案就是河山研議的公投啦那我在想說想先請教一下部長這邊就是說如果那個公投通過了之後假設說這次通過像之前一樣就是2018年以核養綠公投一樣通過了之後的時候我們經濟部作為能源主管機關的時候可不可以承諾會繼續往下走 |
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報告委員我想這個核酸研疫公投的部分因為我們基本上的態度 安全安全是不能夠用公投來決定的我想對我們來講這個 |
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核電我想總統有指示的非常的清楚兩個必須三個原則我們經濟部就是follow兩個必須三個原則這樣的一個方向理解喔 因為我在想說目前都是用這樣的方向在走因為我想說公投畢竟是一個很重要的一個 |
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社會共識的一個狀態那我這邊我想請教安全絕對不能用當然理解這個部分我們完全理解這個狀態可是目前全球對於整個核電研議的部分其實各個地方都在做我相信美國這方面的技術應該比我們更好然後部長跟美國關係也很好我再相信對於這樣的一個核能安全的部分我沒辦法掌握到最新的一個狀態我這邊想特別另外問一個狀態是因為有一個核三廠的一個 |
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管理階層的一個經理他之前有特別提到說我們在前幾年曾經做過一個河山研議的一個評估然後確實也都覺得說河山要研議20年在安全上是沒有問題的那當時是因為政策的部分所以沒有提出來請問部長知不知道這件事情是不是確定有這樣的一件事 |
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對傳聞我們想我個人是對傳聞沒有具體的這個文件對傳聞是不予置評這個其實不是傳聞所以說我想說請部長這邊特別去了解一下因為他講得非常非常的具體報告委員我想那我是不是請台電來跟您報告一下可以報告委員那個 |
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因為核電廠當時在評估內部在評估的時候其實是都還在發電的階段所以跟現在整個已經廚藝下來之後要再去做評估其實就第二個必須裡面我們必須還要再重做一次那結果怎麼樣才能夠才知道所以說之前確實有一個這樣子在還沒有 |
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就是停止運轉之前確實有一個這樣的研議的一個評估嗎只是內部初步的評估而已不是說那個非常正式的OK 理解所以有一個內部初步的評估然後確定覺得當時初步評估覺得20年是可以的那現在因為已經年度跟那個其實不是委員講的啦那個只是說當時有一個初步的評估而已 |
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OK 那我想因為公投事實上就是一個整個社會民意的一個展現那我希望說行政部門對於整個公投的一個結果能夠給予最大一個尊重主委院長是說他尊重這個公投的結果那我們也希望就是經濟部這邊對於整個公投結果能夠給予最大一個尊重因為其實坦白說目前很多坊間都擔心就是公投過了之後也許就像2018年以和洋綠公投過了一樣 |
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那政府一樣不去運作那公投會變得沒有意義那我們希望就是每一次的公投都是非常的有意義有價值的好不好 部長是 報告委員我想經濟部是執行單位啦那經濟部立場就是依法行政是依法行政所以這個 |
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政策如果只是重啟那麼台電公司就會針對這個核電廠進行安全總體檢結構設備組件的這個受其管理設備太舊換新然後補正補強的評估那提出重啟計畫送國際 |
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同儕 審視那麼以及監管單位和安會的審查那麼一審查意見來改善通過理解那麼我們希望整個行政部門對整個公投的結果能夠給予最高度的一個尊重跟落實去執行以上 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝我們接著請林黛化委員做詢答 |
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有請部長郭部長委員好來 部長您風災過後您到我高雄的重災區山區南馬俠桃園茂林走過 |
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到目前还没有还没有但您跟我你没有到我高雄的重灾区那您到高雄这边可能问过全国老百姓大概印象最深刻的就是您跟我们中小企业组的座谈发生了邀请我们中小企业组投资这个美国4000亿的举例移民之后呢经济部呢花了两天的时间说明 |
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那我為什麼提到重災區呢我本席非常的不滿我看到您通篇的報告您說您去了嘉義去了台南這還是你們的訪視團訪問團喔有到台北有到嘉義市這個台南嘉義就沒有到我高雄的重災區您知道高雄的重災區呀這三區發生了什麼事情呢來這個新聞 |
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颱風過後喝山泉水喝到沒命高雄風災山人懶類比取往這個類比取死亡率45%到75%所以說呢也就是說你對於山區重災區之後道路中斷水跟電完全沒有斷水斷電 |
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電你們從以前到現在都有講到電韌性花了將近4000到5000多億來做電網韌性所以到山區大概台電也都知道我趕快要布建這個微電網都已經有這個政策的預算而這將近5000億的電韌性是誰給的不是你不本不給的是行政院重視行政院給的錢那水韌性呢 |
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部長 這個我完全沒有看到經濟部部本部你水電的任性你是主責機關耶是經濟部對於水電任性你是規劃但你們沒有 |
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這不是台水跟台電的工作而且包括這個台水本身它最主要的工作是什麼它只做漏 它只做防漏然後呢 這個汰換水管那汰換水管的錢到現在它都得借錢你們喔 這了不起啦齁在王美花部長這邊啊 捐取了八十億啊分四年給 一年二十億都不夠二十億放在我高雄都不夠啊 |
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所以在這個水韌性當中 你看我們福倫社都還會趕快的去捐這個災區 仿山鄉屏東兩部進水器 一部進水器重達2到3公斤 輕輕的而且也不用電 大概花台幣10萬塊他送兩部 一部可以過濾20萬公升的飲用水 |
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我的水公司包括經濟部 部本部你們完全沒想到喔是不是趕快用一個淨水器讓大家在這個趕快的只要任何的水下去就過濾了 也沒有裡面最基礎的淨水錠也沒有這個過膜酸鉀錠至少也給災區 通通沒有所以部長你怎麼看這件事情報告委員 您所指摘的部分 |
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是我們水利署要跟地方政府共同去處理的事情不是只有自來水公司我們自來水公司自來水公司那水公司有所謂這個水韌性的這件事情在規劃嗎 |
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那我是不是請自來水公司跟你報告一下你讓水公司來回答我我政府的水韌性部長你有沒有搞錯啊一個電網的韌性都要5400億行政院院長當做當做這個政績在宣傳5400億的電網韌性你現在說一個水韌性所以要謙虛一點沒錯就沒想到就說沒想到這樣的違規你要重視 |
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部長你不認為水韌性這件事情你應該要一定要這是新的東西 就算你沒有 你說好你感到抱歉那我覺得這個確實是這風災當中讓我們忽略了這樣的一個議題所以你要報部本部你讓一個水公司 水公司都不夠給我站在這邊 給我講水韌性水公司是誰來 你敢講水韌性的東西喔 那我就要問你囉來 來 水公司你要講嗎我不回答水公司 我最挺水公司了啦我覺得你們可憐啦 |
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哪有到現在執行政府的最主要的預算太舊換新的這個水管竟然還在用借錢部長不重視行政院根本也不知道我們的苦楚講任性吧 誰任性 |
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謝謝委員 委員對台水公司確實非常非常的協助也幫忙非常多那我想剛剛委員所指的部分這一次因為是一個颱風的部分我想我知道委員最主要是說當這些比較偏遠山區的部分的 |
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大禹跟高所的部分也希望台水這邊也能盡量的趕快來看有沒有一些過濾的一些快濾的過濾桶也許可能我們做的還不夠那委員這樣的指證我們未來會有如果想辦法把那個移動的過濾桶趕快去來解決讓民眾當下能趕快解決至於這個供水的韌性的部分我想經濟部其實也積極在做做什麼來你說 |
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我想我們當然就是一個開發水源跟一個水源的一個區域的調度的部分這個會來做那當然沒有錯大概總預算要多少那整個時候執行完電網韌性5400億的電網韌性5400億是有執行有執行業務也有清楚的執行期限的來您說看看 |
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委員當然是高度非常夠 這個整個供水的韌性確實是一個涵蓋非常廣我真的覺得你真的很有擔當你要來回答本席水凍性的東西 部長你放在後面至少水利署要來講話 水利署沒有來也不講話 部長你不講話 部長 |
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我真的覺得齁這個一個領導人齁從哪裡可以看出這個領導人的特質跟能力從危機當中看出一個領導人的危機跟能力如果本席點出的這種的韌性也是有平時的水韌性喔也有平時時期的水韌性你怎麼做你在危機時候的水韌性怎麼做城鄉之泉的分布來副總那個您下去吧 |
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部長我再給你一個機會你認得水韌性要怎麼說 怎麼做呢有電網韌性 水韌性要怎麼說呢跟委員抱歉喔水的部分我不是專家所以我沒有辦法回應你的問題沒有辦法回應喔你要不要做什麼改進我們會 我回去會要求水利署一起來重視委員所指責的這個問題什麼時候提出這個水韌性的這樣的方案是什麼時候 |
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我們一個禮拜好了一個禮拜喔好你不要只聽那個副總副總我真的覺得你很棒你真的很有承擔但是我覺得你的成績不夠成平時後該有怎麼樣的包括你們太舊換新的水管這件事情都應該趕快的列入這樣的韌性裡面甚至你的韌性你的電網韌性要不要解決你公司的債務讓你永續經營這都可以考慮喔 |
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包括你們對於高廢水 高耗水的部分你什麼開源跟節流嘛 這都是不是要納入 積極的去導入包括災後的時候的這個水韌性當中這部分不應該講的 一個禮拜做得出來 我覺得很奇怪然後這個東西是你要跟行政院來做來跟你的主計處 跟行政院院長這邊是要做溝通的 |
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部長我認為我再講一次危機的時候才可以看出一個領導人的一個特質跟能力是不是擔任是不是適合做決策者是不是適合來做我真認為您自己在這個內閣當中的角色其實你應該是要自己重新評估而不是變成 |
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是希望你不要再拉垮左內閣的整個的民調也最重要的是對於我們災民讓災民有感是一個有溫度有靠山的政府好以上謝謝謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝等一下那個蕭副總那個一個禮拜是只有那個高雄還是全台灣的評估只有高雄是不是 |
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我非常感謝主席延續我的議題 這樣的程序問題主席我是不是請你裁示 我覺得一個禮拜做不出來因為是包括整個全台灣的水韌性 比照台電韌性的問題所以請主席是不是 我認為我願意給他多一點時間至少三個禮拜到一個月 一個禮拜是不可能做出來連彰化等等 他是要做去做盤點 |
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這個不是只有針對災區 也是整個做盤點林委員你要求的是全臺灣的水韌性的計畫而不是高雄的水韌性計畫那請經濟部回去再評估再提出相關全臺灣的水韌性的計畫那是不是我請主席是不是參考一下一個月內提出來全臺的水韌性的這個方案那郭部長是不是能夠一個月內全臺灣的 |
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好那就一個月提出全臺灣的水韌性的相關計畫現在請陳婷菲委員做詢答陳婷菲委員謝謝主席 我們請部長 |
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委員好部長台南是重災區所以我待會問的問題是非常直接的也拜託部長要看怎麼處理因為我們已經問了很多輪了昨天我也跟卓院長 |
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懇求拜托就是我们在所有石棉瓦的处理那当然石棉瓦的处理家户跟我们的畜牧场现在都有处理畜牧场是由农业部来做补助但是我们目前厂房的屋顶石棉瓦废弃物的清理 |
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目前完全沒有看到我們經濟部有任何的作為那當然昨天卓院長有說要用我們的特別條例裡面的環境清理這個區塊來協助可是我們擔心他的預算會不夠我們這樣清一清弄一弄我問了我們台南市環保局他說會有五萬噸很嚇人 |
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那問題是我們如果沒有分門別類由各個單位組織單位去做協助的話我相信我們特別預算這筆錢一定不夠部長是不是可以請命一下我們廠房的屋頂石棉襪還有廢棄物我們的中小企業署是不是可以來協助做一些補貼讓他們有感 |
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因為到目前為止我們看了經濟部所有協助中小企業災後復原的部分其實我們琢磨的並沒有很多所以這個區塊我們可不可以加強一下部長 |
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是 报告委员我想经济部在这个受灾区的协助措施我们大概分成三个部分第一个部分是对民众的部分也就是说他的家的这个部分淹水的救助金我们大概每户就会给到最高4万块钱那么中低收入户每户会到5万块钱然后第二个是对制造业制造业里面包括园区内跟园区外的厂商 |
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我们补助他生产设备在场域复原每家最高20万补助节能设备呢每一个案补助20到40个person那么每家最高到500万集团到1500万那补助动力设备每kW补助700到5000元每家最高500万连营业额1亿元以上者补助1500万 |
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那麼對災害復工的貸款我們對公告災區的業者提供利息的補貼最高是50萬元那麼貸款的金額我現在在爭取在爭取應該會得到這個同意也就是說第一年是免息 |
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部長我知道你們有做但是我的重點不是在這一塊我知道你們有做你們對於家戶的淹水是由你們來支出的我知道我們經濟部隊中小企業我們也有20萬的設備補助我們也知道 |
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然後針對一些節能的部分有協助我們也知道可是你知道現在中小企業在我們災區大家最痛的是哪一塊就是屋頂石棉花跟廢棄物的清理在這一區區塊你們沒有幫助到 |
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畜牧場他們有農業部他們都有做一些協助的方式可是我們在中小企業這一塊經濟部是沒有的所以我剛剛才會跟你請命在這個區塊可不可以增加院長有說要用特別條例裡面的特別預算可是我看我們目前台南市的量光10棉瓦 |
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这些数字就没有办法支撑了所以是不是我们经济部可以在这个区块来帮忙一下来协助一下报告委员我想清理的部分我们所协调的公班他们都愿意帮忙都愿意帮忙不是 是这些实名网我要怎么来做清理不是公班的问题是我要我今天清理出来之后 |
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我太空包一堆一堆因為石棉瓦它是有毒的物質它不能隨便丟所以我們不要造成二次傷害所以在石棉瓦的部分一堆一堆的太空包我們要怎麼幫它來清理這些是 |
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报告委员我们会马上跟前进指挥所就委员所关注的这个命题快速讨论希望能够得到一个快速解决因为这个必须要跟地方政府来共同协作所以我们会把这个放在最优先讨论的命题台南市政府因为我来自台南我知道的是台南市政府我们问过他没有量能而且没有经费这才是重点 |
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那你的經費在哪裡你根本沒有補助這些中小企業這些廠房他們可以去處理這些實面化的費用這非常恐怖耶這預算非常恐怖耶不是你補助20萬他的設備我就用這個照片給你看那整間密密冒冒 |
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大家自己都已經都自己要顧不完大家都知道啦可是你這個石棉瓦因為它不能亂丟它不能造成二次傷害所以我覺得我們一定要把這個命題把它當成一個重點所以部長這個是不是可以拜託一下我馬上處理我們又不會從官認定不是從官認定你們根本沒有補助啊 |
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不 我们会把它在其他的项目里面把它列到其他项目里面好 拜托一下这个很重要否则它就一堆一堆在那里对 我们会马上处理然后请求环保局说环保局说没有啊你们中小企业没补助是 |
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我們會馬上處理好 再麻煩然後第二個就是我們在任性特別條例裡面有一個叫強化電力系統我要問這個強化電力系統它所代表的是什麼大家知道我在7月7號看了那麼多2000多支的電感在台南市整個倒成一片 |
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我已經說了要拜託我們經濟部要盡快提出如何電能地下化如何加強我們的韌性那請問這個強化電力系統有包含這個區塊嗎有嗎我可不可以請台電公司跟您報告沒問題我大概就簡單的跟委員報告主要有兩塊一個就是主幹線的地下化我們在 |
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有吗有包括这个部分吗我说在我们任性特别条例这个200亿的部分要强化电力系统的这个区块有吗那个200亿里面有包括产业园区的也有包括一般的我们讲的现在既有的道路的这个改迁地下化的也有这个加强我们整个电网维护的所以这有200亿那我想这一定不够 |
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所以我們每年在我們經濟部到底我們要怎麼再編列預算去做加強所以我已經說我昨天在行政院在做質詢的時候我就說了如果有誰擋這個預算請他來摘去看倒了兩千多隻的電感光台南市這個是一定要做因為對於極端氣候沒有人可以保證 |
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哪一天一個丹納斯颱風它是青苔而已就把台南搞成這個狀態 |
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沒有人敢預估這種極端氣候的狀態所以強化電力系統這個一定要過也一定要做我們再拜託台電盡快把這200億到底你要做在哪幾個產業園區然後要做在哪幾個主幹道我強調我們要從主幹道先做 |
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主干道你主干道再牵引进来这一次我们所有都是在主干道所以为什么花的时间要那么长主干道要接近来再接近家户是 包委员我们那个分年跟这个相关做的地区我们都会把它列出来 |
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拜託我要這個計畫我要這個計畫拜託送到我辦公室然後再來就是剛剛部長有說的你們有在協調我們銀行端是不是在利息的部分或是用我們補貼的部分來做處理部長我們的利益都非常好可是 |
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在銀行的部分當然你要補貼他很開心啊可是光在所謂的災後復工的貸款他們就有很多的問題了他們會提出很多的門檻去把所有的工廠做一個束縛這個一定你們不知道 |
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所以我認為你們的單一窗口一定要出來單一窗口一定要出來你叫所有的企業自己去找銀行端是不是我們有單一窗口來 部長是 報告委員 我們是有單一窗口而且我們的行動服務網現在是早上在家裡區公所 |
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然后下午到各个灾区去访视解决这个受灾户他们的问题然后我们就是单一窗口我们的马上办中心就是单一窗口那你们的单一窗口可以跟银行端沟通吗可以如果银行端用了很多的条件来束缚的话我们会马上协调处理 |
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可以嗎可以那我是不是請署長當天在我們開座談會的時候經濟委員會下去開座談會的時候那三家廠商已經都溝通好了嗎來 我們署長來 署長 |
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跟委員說明那三家廠商那個麻豆區這一家因為是新增的貸款所以我們現在在協調當中江津區的這家公司是旧貸的展延所以我們也跟他既有的這個行庫也全力在協調目前都進展而且旧貸展延我們把這個他的需要的受災證明也開出來了 |
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所以這個都全力在解掉那另外雪甲區這些廠商因為他是屬於大企業所以我們也把這個適用大企業的規範跟他告知所以這個我們入案的我們包含在這個從這個行動辦公室行動服務團成立以來所有入案包含是直接打進我們馬上辦服務中心所有的案件我們全部都有入案在處理有 有入案我覺得要把這樣的一個單一窗口宣傳出去否則每一次我們 |
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通過的預算或通過的專案都是在銀行端做了一個組閣的動作所以這個很重要再來部長我再請教一下因為我們現在經濟部除了有中小企業的協助加護淹水的協助其實還有一個叫水利署的治水預算對不對 |
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我想 我要拜託部長現在我們要利用災後特別條例來協助進行地方治水工程但是辦法還沒出來好 辦法還沒出來這個要快我想8月2號當天台南市光安南區就淹了一整天我在地方我浸水浸了幾天而且有的落地了白水我把整個 |
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從頭到尾涉水去了解問題出在哪裡所以這裡有四個關鍵瓶頸如果這個四個關鍵瓶頸突破了那麼六塊寮排水我們花了那麼多錢好幾十億的部分才有效他哪一個六塊寮排水的上游要做分流規劃設計因為他從安定下來這次我們的安定是我們8月2號全台南 |
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所有我們的雨量最多的區所以安定整個水壓到我們六塊樓排水所以如果他沒有做分流我相信未來都會面臨這個狀態第二個就是中游的新順橋改建他必須要在把北安路三段745巷口的側溝改建計畫一併納入還有要留書 |
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抽水平台的位置才能解決三天之外一屆古堡樓的抽水需求還有第三個是重劃區他旁邊剛有一個重劃區滯洪池要加大增加容水量第四個就是六塊樓排水的下游要設置抽水站這整個所有的瓶頸如果完全提出他們現在台南市政府在做設計規劃要拜託部長要拜託水利署這邊 |
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要把它抽出來因為這可能要10億以上可是花了10億才能把我們3、4、10億的六塊鳥排水真正凸顯它的滯洪效率所以這個部分再拜託部長是 我們會馬上辦理好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝現在我們請楊瓊英委員做詢答 |
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謝謝召委 楊秋雲發言 邀請部長郭部長委員好 |
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这段辛苦了那我们来讨论美国商务部长卢特尼克他在19号表示为了美国国家的安全必须在美国本土生产制造晶片那他不能让99%的高阶晶片都在台湾来制造他也强调了拜登政府当时免费的赠给 |
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英特尔 台积电等这些晶片公司美国川普希望把这些钱转换成股权请教部长目前我们掌控的情况到底是如何在台美的谈判当中有没有讨论到这件事情还是让台积电自己去处理呢请做说明报告委员我也是刚收到这样的一个讯息 |
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所以我们现在还在看应该这个讯息是我们谈判小组他们之前也没有收到的之前没有收到大家都是可能从新闻上面因为新闻我们在19号的时候看到这个讯息所以部长你的说法是说到目前为止你也是刚刚看到这个新闻 |
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所以我們大概會來跟這個台積電來了解一下因為畢竟台積電是民間的公司不是國營企業所以我可能也要跟這個國發會來討論因為國發會是他的股東 |
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是所以我們大概會就全面的來了解到底美國商務部長他講這個要入股的意思背後的含義是什麼是那這個我們還是有待一些時間的討論跟評估 |
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是 非常好这也就是我们现在一直变化非常的大所以刚刚又有一则外媒的讯息出来外媒讯息说美国也有意要入股台积电来换取补助 |
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換取補助雖然我們現在看到的是媒體上面在說的所以剛剛部長你的說法本心非常認同一旦有這樣的情勢我相信不管是民間公司或者是我們政府部門尤其我們國防會更是台積電的董事有一席也是股東之一我們更應當要去了解因為這延伸了我們整個產業 |
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那所以我也希望这个变化非常的大那第一时间第一讯息就必须要有因应对策跟方案好那接下来本席要继续来跟你讨论的就是今天的主题我们组成了7月28号组成了灾后复健服务团给了这个马上办的中心那产业竞争力中心原管局这个联府基金会来协助 |
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災後包括稅金的申報那要怎麼樣申請復工的貸款舊的貸款要怎麼樣去展延開立了企業受災的這些證明工作那還有你們包括了要生財的這個器具毀損金元是這個金還1萬元那設備的部分修繕是以20萬元首先我也要肯定經濟部因為本席一再跟你們討論 |
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這一旦有困難發生的時候我們整合所有的力量作為一站式的服務的方式那現在在做的就是這個一站式的服務的方式跟本席之前跟你討論的內容你們做到了但是本席要請教到目前為止中小企業受災害的受損的情況究竟是如何我們協助的情況有沒有一個評估的一個規模 |
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尤其在我台中地區這一次除了南部以外那我台中地區的狀況到底是如何請做說明報告委員我想我們現在目前就是按受災區我們都去透過這個組織去了解那受災戶一方面我們也有馬上辦服務中心受災戶他可以直接跟我們聯絡但是我們認為有的受災戶可能不太了解我們有這個馬上辦中心是 |
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一定要管委去宣传主动出击所以我们在南部我们也有一个服务团在那个地方总之受灾户的情况我们都应该有高度的掌握所以目前我们受灾的状况 |
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你們評估到底是怎麼因為台中的狀況可能比較平穩一點就是相對於相對於其他的地區那我們還是要注意比較平穩那南部我們不會說因為它比較平穩我們就沒有照我們是全體一體的大家都是國家有共識要全面的關心所以我們服務的態度都是一樣所以請教到目前為止這一次的受災情況大概損失會多少你們的評估它的規模跟範圍大概是多少因為已經過了一個多月了 |
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我们现在还是先去抢救先抢救为第一那如果赵部长你这样的回答就是目前我们还没有办法去整体的预估到底受损会有多少受损会有多少到目前我们都跟前进指挥所受损的加速有多少受损的经济规模有多少 |
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这个都还要盘点还没盘点出来因为太大那个灾害太大了所以我们现在报告委员像比如说我们经济部比如说我们一般的受灾户我们有分几个区是属于我们经济部在负责的那我们有三个区大概我们分到的受灾户大概600户 |
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600戶 大家分工合作包括住家的但是我們經濟部我們因為有水利署我們有水利署在做公共工程全面啟動的廠商我們都把它公共工程停止然後全力來搶救部長 因為我們的災到現在要將近兩個月的時間 |
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所以我們應該好好去評估到底我們受損的加數有多少我們受損的經濟規模有多少加數是知道的加數多少呢加數都知道的我是說這個住宅的話 |
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我们负责的三个区加起来大概是600户那不止啊还有其他人负责其他的就是有其他的部门在负责所以你们要统筹本席要求的就是说我们碰到困难大家团结一致没错要去统计行政部门必须要未雨绸缪先知你要必须去盘点我到底受损的加数有多少我受损的经济规模有多少我要怎么样准备去协助我们这些受损的人员没有错委员所所 |
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指导的这一部分我们前进办公室都有掌握前进办公室都有掌握我们是就我们分配到的责任区我们非常清楚你也把你前进办公室的资料给本席谢谢部长我们继续来讨论当然是台风跟豪雨的灾情台电的员工真的好辛苦一下子 |
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就像你說的規模那麼大 倒了數千支的電線桿大家忙著搶災 我們要給予他們最高的敬意跟肯定但是我一再強調 你必須主管機關單位必須要去做好人力的一個調配人力的一個調配跟災情的評估災情的評估剛剛我們已經討論過 你會給本席 |
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那就是人力的調配你到底要怎麼樣去協助他們要怎麼樣協助他們我覺得這個才是真正非常根本我們討論到這個問題的根源你會怎麼樣去調配這個人力讓他們可以做得來是 報告委員我想這個電力的部分是非常專業的部分 |
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所以我們也不是說一般的人就可以去承接這樣的工作所以我們第一個就是我們台電有每一個區它在台灣分成好幾個區作業區那麼自己的區如果沒有辦法解決的話我們從其他的區調人進來協作 |
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協助他們人力調配對 人力的調配就是由整個台電公司總部在做調配好 這個是本席要求了幾次一定要好好去調配讓我們台電最基層的員工可以好好的來工作最後一個議題本席跟你討論也就是產業協助200億我們要等嗎 |
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我們要等嗎你的評估標準在哪裡本期在第一時間告訴你們關稅的問題不夠錢你們趕快編你們編了880億我說不夠光我台中用的不夠你再增加了50億 930億我要請教現在給我們的答案累加關稅上去20%再加累加關稅那您也跟我們的行政院長到了我們的台中來幾個議題 |
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幾個議題第一個本席強調為什麼200億是告訴我們如果產業需要難道你們都沒有評估嗎當場的所有的理事長都告訴你們他笑不出來他也說他希望能夠怎麼樣簡化程序讓他們在急救的當時可以不倒下去 |
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這個是政府非常關鍵的時刻所以我非常的納悶我本期喊了那麼久你們終於也在這一次增加的條例從5450億加到5900億當中450億裡頭有200億你們要作為我們這個傳統產業的支持的200億但是你告訴我們兩個字叫做預留行政院長告訴我說如果你們需要你可以改啊 |
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部長 您是行政部門行政部門應該是要最了解我們的產業要怎麼樣協助我們的產業政策性的一個指揮才能夠讓民眾讓我們的產業安心所以本席要請教你的200億你們的評估到底是在什麼的情況之下你才會啟動因為我們現在的傳統產業坦白講這一次關稅最大的受害者就是我們的傳產 |
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就是我們的傳產那政府沒有理由不協助他們對不對所以在這樣情況之下你也來自產業你最清楚所以本席覺得非常納悶到底是在什麼樣的評估什麼樣的條件下你會啟動這兩百億來救援我們的傳統產業請說明兩百億都是在所謂的電網韌性的強化 |
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不是啦不是啦不是啦那另外啦那另外啦你的加強產業支持是200億電信任網又另外一條啦本席跟你講的是產業支持200億的不是任性支持的啦對不對不是任網的啦 |
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就OK是那個產業支持預留產業支持部長你累了嗎產業支持你辛苦了我知道你現在在質詢的我都清楚謝謝是我們這個200億就是說當有需要產業我們在支持產業的時候不足的我們就200億再上 |
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請教什麼叫不足 我現在已經不足我現在已經不敢接單我現在已經廠房不敢續約我一個月要繞過了十萬 繞過了八萬甚至有上千萬的這樣子還不夠嗎而且鄭麗君副院長回來她說美國的談判告訴我們它可能你現在暫時性總統告訴我們的是會延到十月 |
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那現在的暫時性拖一個月會影響我們船長多大拖兩個月會影響多大你有評估嗎我們這些都有評估在那有評估那什麼條件你只告訴我們需要我現在正式告訴你我們非常需要 |
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可以啟動嗎報告委員我們都一直在做可以啟動嗎我們也都跟產業一直在做對呀可以啟動嗎也都一直了解產業謝謝但是可以啟動嗎這200億可以講預留兩個字我沒有辦法接受我們現在已經用你們因為貴大會還沒有通過這個 |
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这个预算嘛部长你们送来的200亿产业针对产业你就是写预留在你们送来的文字条例里头我们现在已经用其他的钱在支援在支持现在的这个厂商的需求了 |
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部長你來自產業你了解當天他們也說工學會他們也拜託你院長也指示說在各個的產業別你必須要好好個別去做了解啟動了嗎我們在451已經在8月7號已經受理了 |
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那是另外一回事嘛所以本席要請教你也就是當天院長說我們工學會十幾個理事長都在那裡希望能夠由您經濟部去指揮跟他們個別產業座談了解他們的需求對 我們都一直在做 |
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你們開始啟動了沒有你把表格給我好不好時間給我我一起來努力好不好你把表格給我我們一起來努力一起來座談好不好一起來座談好不好好是你把表格給我你們要怎麼樣跟他們聯絡要怎麼樣談這時間我們一起來努力請把你們的時間表給本席好可以喔那我再一次結論我希望你們送來的 |
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五千九百億裡頭有一筆兩百億專門支持中小產業的這兩百億不要預留不要預留因為我們產業的確現在就需要我請你好好地去深思協助我們的產業謝謝委員 謝謝委員指導好 謝謝我們現在請呂玉玲委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 請郭部長郭部長委員好 |
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部長 災情非常慘重 下去南部10趟這不是重點 重點要解決問題那首先 本席要先請教部長就是在7月6號當那是颱風過境跟7月28號的豪大雨 |
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我們台電的電線桿將近有3500支被吹倒了所以台電人員非常的辛苦我們非常的不捨但是在7月15號在嘉義的役主發生了搶修的公安意外最後他是被電擊而離世了所以在這一點我們來討論一下這個質案的問題 |
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那最重要的時候他們一定是電線都在地上那他們要上去的時候一定是安全措施都要完備才會升上去做修復在修復過程中怎麼修復的話台電的員工一定會注意到個人本身的安全但是有一個非常重要的就是有沒有斷電 |
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他會觸電就已經壞那個整個電線桿倒塌都沒有電了為什麼會觸電所以你們整個職安公安的這個報告出來了沒有他是觸電 |
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所以你們修好的時候一定要通報通報你們之後你們才可以把它通電送電是不是這樣子那所以也發生了一件事情嘉義那邊的那個豬舍裡面也是他還沒修好那個電線在地上還在這個淹水地方的電線在地上你們送電了整個豬都被電死了所以你們公安是怎麼做的 |
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這個SOP是很重要的從2022年到現在就有15位我們台電員工因為這個問題而離世我們非常不捨這個一再的檢討你們報告出來檢討就要把這個公安做好來為什麼沒有做到請副總說 |
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是 剛剛委員其實有提到其實所有的公安 其實所有的事故都會檢討那很多確實都是沒有按照標準程序我一直在強調不管是部長下囊不擠趟或者你們一再的檢討檢討要有結果你們所有的公安職安的SOP的過程怎麼做的 都要通報啊都要有安全的措施設置才會升上去的啊 |
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所以為什麼會被電擊你在修理的時候就是沒有電嘛修好通報你才可以送電嘛 |
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跟委員報告因為修復的電廠其實台電有可能是沒電但是附近有可能有一些自備的發電機他有可能會逆送電所以我們在SOP裡面才要求所有的員工在做這個現場的修復的時候必須要先減電我不是要責難你們我是不捨離世的員工好不好所以這次的檢討一定要把這SOP在我們教育訓練裡面一定要完備所有怎麼樣通報斷電送電這是最關鍵的問題好嗎 |
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好 接下来我想请教 |
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不涨的还是台风的问题也是因为丹纳斯的状况在我们的太阳能板这是台风的强风跟豪雨的关系屋顶 农地 余温这整个太阳能板在全台被吹垮的大概有14.5万片的太阳能板受损总重量有2800公吨 |
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在發生在嘉義跟台南卓院長特別講說在8月19號環境部在8月19號整理出來那部長 院長都有講到說在8月16號有講說要好好的來檢討評估一下這整個太陽能板的這個整個規範那我們有在檢討嗎檢討什麼時候會出來是 報告委員我們都有在檢討好 檢討什麼時候出來 |
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所有的應該是 |
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我是不是請那個能源署跟你報那我主要要提的就是說自社會被吹垮這麼多就是因為我們這個整個耐震 耐風的這個耐風的這個能力這個結構都是用計時來做決定各區域去做決定的沒有統一的標準那是不是未來要統一的標準還是說有統一的規範不要說全部推給這個計時工會 |
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是不是是 報告委員我想這一部分我們跟環境部這個彭部長都有在進行討論我們要進行一次全國的總體檢就像您剛剛所指定的我們在總體檢中我們就要更加講一下加固怎麼樣固定這個有時候搖晃的或者是太細的或太要加粗的這個固定的部分有在做總體檢嗎我們現在會 |
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開始因為這個要因為跨部門要快颱風發生的時間就在夏天當然要快快點總體檢好不好謝謝委員這些都要做好評估要安全那接下來想問的就是說因為說我們在上個禮拜三有三讀通過說當然是颱風跟728豪雨災後的這個復原重建的特別條例那有講到強韌電網的問題 |
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那我請問強振電網就是地下化嗎地下化的話現在也要評估全台地下化的狀況有在評估嗎這報告會出來嗎這個我是不是請台電跟您回答是副總在111年的時候我記得我們在做召委的時候特別有編了強振電網5645億給你們是10年的計畫現在做到現在有4年的成效如何我們其實有針對主要比較迫切的地區已經都大概都做好了 |
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那現在全國的地下化的情形呢委員所指的5600多億當時是主要是針對比較大的電壓輸電等級的部分那最近其實包括院長提到的昨天院長提到的其實是針對這次災情比較屬於配電的電壓的部分所以他就必須我們台電現在目前在做一個全面的評估 |
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那因為要地下化他必須要有一些條件啦因為淹水的地區你們怕潮濕啦還有電路的問題啦還有管線的問題這都有好 那我就直接請教一下比如說我的選區龍潭這是特別的龍心路到楊桐路這邊它就高壓電塔這整條路為什麼我們要趕快把這個電路 |
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電路來穩定 強韌電網就是因為我們龍柯山崎在這邊還有我們的桃竹苗的大溪谷在這邊所以用電量會非常非常大所以我們大概將近這個5公里的這個道路上我們將近有8隻到10隻的高壓電塔但是我們整個路線上我們希望做電纜地下因為那個地方算是空曠空曠的話 |
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風的阻力耐風力又是個問題所以可以做電纜地下為什麼不做電纜地下你們說只做有些地方做電纜地下有些時候還高壓電塔為什麼這個問題我問的工程師他說是管線滿線這附近是很空曠的地方管線滿線管線滿線還是可以協調相關單位從不叫來 |
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在我們最近這幾年來我們處理的過程都可以看到對不對管線有150公分啊你有說台電有自來水要在最上面台電的話還有你們要占管線所以你們還有很多空管所以我說可以直接處理不要說一下一推就說電纜地下不可以一定要做高壓電塔好不好 |
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是我們剛才講到重點了其實我地下化其實設備還是要出來啦所以還是要地方的配合還有我們地方都在配合是你們台電一推推得遠遠的就沒辦法管線滿線沒有滿線的問題啦台電不會推啦我們那個這個線路我們會再去檢討看看所以把相關單位找來我們管線的話都有150公分這麼寬怎麼安排中華電信天然氣或者自來水管 |
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通通都可以大家配置 可以讓道啊 |
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可以讓到啊可以調整路管線這個都一定要注意到就是說常常會被挖台電的管線會被挖壞掉為什麼被挖壞掉它道路施工都會挖到你的台電都是台電被挖到所以這個你都要把監討進去好不好道路施工其實要先套會所以很多工程的話大家一起解決不要把責任推掉好不好接下來我想問一下就是部長 |
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因为对等关税从32%降到20%在20%当中的话最重要的就是日本跟韩国他们是15%而且没有叠加我们是叠加的所以我们的竞争力相对的我们的产业受到冲击非常非常大所以我们也特别调力要来协助补助我们的产业那现在有一个产业叫工具机的产业 |
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部長你了解嗎了解工具機的競爭對象就是韓國跟日本是我們原來的話我們都是出口大部分都出口了大陸後來的話美國變成我們的第二個出口的地方但是現在因為關稅的競爭我們又被美國來放棄未來我們工具機這個產業的話何去何從 |
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要往哪裡去為他們避開這些風險我們要如何幫他們佈局全球呢首先跟委員報告如果是地區就是做出口的部分除了美國以外那未來市場比較大的包括印度包括歐洲包括東南亞 |
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这些都是美国以外会成长的地区我们会协助这些厂商加强在对这几个地区的拓展这是第一个在出口国家的部分的转换第二个我们会强化工具机对市场选择的时候对客户的选择我们会协助他做所谓telemed |
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不要去做一般的这个一般的是consumer的这个产品要做这个所谓特制化的产品也就是要量身特制因为日本跟韩国大部分他们的厂商都是透过大贸易商商社去洽接这些生意商社跟大贸易公司他们有一高的成本所以他们不会去 |
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接这个所谓的特制化客制化的这个商品这个是另外一个所谓做商品选择客户的原则我们会帮助他先做这两个第三个我们会在制造成本上面协助他来降低我知道你都给这个产业给他们贷款是 |
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貸款還是回歸到成本的問題現在我們桃園 經過我們經發局的統計我們的製造業對美國出口的大概有75億的美元廠商就有6800家 從業人員將近28萬現在發生什麼 他們要坐視修山了在我的選區裡面 龍澤科技公司他就已經決定了坐視修山 修三天了 這怎麼辦 |
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眼前的問題要先解決啊你現在講的都是未來的整個程序佈局全球避開風險但是眼前的問題請部長你們來關心好不好龍澤科技現在我剛剛跟你們講的這數據6800家28萬的從業人員何去何從我去拜訪他們一下他們的就業他們的工作他們的薪資這是才最重要的我去拜訪他們一下了解他們的困難在哪裡眼前最重要的做事修善 |
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是好不好這個我會來處理好謝謝部長是謝謝委員好謝謝我們現在請張祺凱委員做詢答張祺凱委員質詢完我們休息 |
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來先請一下郭部長郭部長委員好部長今天答詢的時候笑容有比較多會講同理心跟人機幾機人力幾力今天看起來是比較氣定神閒這段時間一直在傳你的去留那個賴總統或者是左院長沒有跟你聊到這個事情 |
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我的去留我想这个不是我可以决定如果我可以决定我就会跟您报告那第二个我在这个什么时候去留我想来是偶然来是偶然去是必然所以我在在位的每一天我就是全力以赴我之前也讲过了我一天当作两天在努力所以我每天做的工作的时间其实超过八个小时 |
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希望是一個大家會肯定的經濟部的這個部長那老實講事實上在去年的6月13號那時候我就諮詢過你了那時候你在討論說你會不會是誤闖從你的小白兔可是那時候你的民調是很高啊你剛從企業來的時候我要提醒你說那時候王美花還任期了1431天希望你可以多做一點不過更重要的不是短跟 |
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很長的問題啦是人民知道你要做什麼事情所以你如果再留下來下禮拜我會繼續再質詢到你你下禮拜留下來當經濟部長你有沒有什麼事情很想做的你覺得你現在很急著要把它完成的 |
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我們在災禍的復原跟重建報告委員我想我們現在經濟部最重要的工作最重要的工作有兩項第一項就是在災區救災的事情第二項就是協助這個談判小組談關稅的問題還有你答應的事情把它做完來 |
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你上次在這邊質詢 打詢的時候還有你去看了一些地方你做了一些引漏包括你去看我自己的新聞製膨紙上面那個損壞的光電板的時候你有做了一個承諾嘛你說你有包圍這個一定要清除完畢啊 |
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是 報告委員我們你所指責的那個部分我們都已經從水裡面把它清到上面 滷上來了但是 對 就是說因為它的這個受災的這個情形還滿嚴重的我想大家都清楚 |
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但是大家都关心它在水上是不是会造成大家水源的担心所以我们第一优先我在讲七月把它清除完之后它的意思就是说从水里面把它移到路上那我们也用最快的速度坦白讲那个如果说让厂商自己去做大概要两个月但是我们考虑到委员的这个关心所以我们是在七天里面就把它完成那个是我整个水利署 |
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完全投入然后把我们水利署的公班然后借然后来帮助他们来清除的大家都很清楚嘛就是风灾是不是一个某个区域产生的而且很大大量的这个要处理事实上厂商他已经没有办法靠自己独自的能力去完成这个修复的事情所以也谢谢委员的这个关心所以我们也就是说请我们水利署的公班 |
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甚至於這一次包括嘉義的救災都是一樣我們現在已經協調出我們整個都協調出來把嘉義 台南 高雄的公共工程的工班工作全部停下來全部進入救災全部進入救災當然彰化也有我想這個召委我們彰化也是一樣在處理這幾個地區的公共工程的工班 |
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全部先停一下子公共工程然後所有的公班都進入災區搶救這個災民這一個做法我想我們也是跟委員一樣我們都是人力極力自己感受到那個情境我想委員我們在災區也碰過好幾次我搭高鐵我們也碰了好幾次 |
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我們都可以了解在那個時期要靠我們的受災戶自己去解決問題其實是非常難的所以政府的態度政府的態度就是用政府的力量但是政府的工程可以稍微緩一下緩一個月 緩兩個月沒有關係但是受災區我們希望受災區所有的災民能夠早一日回到平日的這樣的一個生活這一點我想 |
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委員在關心 我想委員也很會認同我們這樣的做法最近這幾兩天這農業大家有看嗎包括形象看起來都有改變了啦大家有肯定 不過我要提醒你現在人民期待不是只有從這個製縫池把它繞上來人民現在期待 本來就是說你所謂的清除碗應該就放回去整個回收處理廠嘛 對不對那現在 現在碰到兩個問題部長我要跟你講 兩個非常嚴重的問題第一 有些光電板 |
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撈上來之後放到你經濟部的台廠的土地上面去了另外一個問題等一下我跟你講這個是吹哨者來撿取讓你到了當地去拍的我給你看 左下角這個左下角這張圖 |
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你這光電的浮板跟這光電板放下來這在廢氣屋處理法上面是明明確確規定喔你要一個不透水的環布那個鋪面要有嘛對不對你看那個都沒做啦所以這個有污染你要把它做好了好不好那像右邊這些你看那個土這樣挖起來 |
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你一些那個重型機器裡面去 那個油都漏下來所以整個污染要把它處理好 要處理得好誰啦第一 本來我都提前一年這個是他現在應該是回到回收處理廠去處理 這專業的那沒有的話他應該也要把它做好整個那個不要被污染 這是一個第二個 現在就是環境部部長最近去看了幾次 |
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去看了幾次他發現有些製縫池你們管的嘛這光電板是你們管的 光電是你們管的他現在放在什麼地方不是放到台塘土地喔你放在那個製縫池旁邊的那個道路提案就開始把它碎掉了把那個浮板就碎掉了結果那個塑膠那個顆粒就滿天飛 滿天飄這邊你也在碎 台塘也在碎農地受到影響然後環境部長去看那邊的農地跟道路又受到影響 |
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這個你去規範一下吧避免這個農地的污染好不好是 謝謝委員好 委員要講事情 我要跟您討論一下前陣子引起很大討論的這個河山場那個木林經費那個事情你後來有沒有檢討 有沒有發現出了什麼問題為什麼那時候那麼多人在罵你我是這個樣子 我想委員你也很清楚我來當這個部長之前我是大學的教授 |
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我是社會科學的研究者我想你也很清楚 |
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你也寫過論文我們在做民調的時候通常有一些變數關係為了要確實的去了解消費者的意願的時候我們會把一些變數拿掉我只是說敦親牧林會是其中的一個變數但是我想因為當初他們在講說我們整個我們恆春的鄉親有百分之七十七的人是支持的 |
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但是我做一个科学研究者我想我们会对这样的一个命题的解读会提出说我们是不是要再研究一下真正的了解我对这个敦青木林废我认为这个是没有问题的我们台电到每一个地方去都有敦青木林废我相信我们恒春的这些这些怎么讲我的 |
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同鄉的這個...你也畢東人我畢東人 但是我不可能...因為鄉親在講情色必要的話可能都要道歉因為你會不會講太快我不是道歉我這個...大家的看法不太一樣 |
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我只是就一個他的民調的上部那個問題我在就教於這個委員但是他把我歪樓到別的地方去說我說我們的這個屏東的這個城村的鄉民是喜歡這個東京飯這個是完全是 |
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你認為這個合理嗎委員你也是社會科學的支持者吧其實民眾為什麼會罵你會那麼抗議其實你那個講法你附列一個非常重要河山場旁邊附近的居民那四個鄉鎮他們為什麼希望河山可以研擬 |
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一個跟台電的員工對 你聽我講對台電員工的付出跟努力有很大的關係因為你的員工台電的員工在河山廠把他經營得非常好他們不只蹲青木林喔他們安全在全世界每次評比都是名列前茅啊所以那個居民才會覺得安全啊所以他們肯定你聽我講他們希望河山可以營利他們就肯定台電這段時間的付出我聽得懂嗎 |
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河山厂的厂长 副厂长他们都在那边买房子结婚生子他们很多人退休都是在那边生活 |
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他們跟居民已經融為一體了這個才是真正為什麼附近的居民希望河山可以繼續原理因為他們經歷的是安全嘛所以他們才會接受你是一直在講說什麼慕尼基金那一塊你就傷了他們的心你為什麼不去看台電員工的付出還有這段時間他們對國家的貢獻我同意委員你的說法委員我同意您的說法只是說如果說我們在做這個社會科學的討論的時候 |
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我們可以做一次測試啊可以做一次測試來做一次民調我只是就民調的部分在跟他討論不是說對這個敦俊慕林會這件事情在做討論所以那個命題不一樣結果會不一樣我想這個委員你應該可以支持我的說法要不然台電的員工他也覺得心寒或覺得說沒有被重視 |
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他們這麼付出你經濟部長一定肯定台電也要肯定河山產跟附近經濟對我們經濟發展的貢獻你要考慮我們屏東人的心情喔為什麼我們屏東的人要來忍受核電廠在我屏東由這個全國的人來決定屏東人要接受這個河山的研議呢為什麼合一合二合四不研議呢保定 |
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河山場很安全啊國際模範生為什麼你會有個概念您的意思就是河市是不安全的不只是河山場附近的四個鄉鎮的居民超過七成以上都要求河山要營利你整體的民調裡面河山場支持連個屏東人支持河山場比例還是比較高的 |
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你要去看民調你不要自己以為說你現在要推動賴總統不要核酸或者總統不要核酸你就汙名化核酸連你的好朋友黃承信都講了不要汙名化核冷核酸廠是安全的好 另外我要問你一個報告委員你剛講那個變數報告委員核酸廠是不是安全必須要由專家來決定而不是靠民調來決定安全這個命題絕對不能夠是用民調來決定對嘛 這個是裡面 |
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安全必須要由專家來決定的事情你講這個就沒專家了 我跟你講我這個是非常專業的你們今天這個就是現在很多民眾在罵你們的這次的河山公投有提到說要投那個安全嗎安全是必要的在河管法修正的時候裡面就清楚要經過安全檢查確定以後他才可以研議這次我們要投的是要不要研議報告委員他是個必要的要不要研議總統已經講得非常的清楚 |
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兩個必須 三個原則只要符合兩個必須 三個原則它就可以研議所以我就不知道說這個公投的命題而且特別為我屏東的這個核電廠去做一個公投那為什麼不一起談核一核二 |
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何氏呢他也是在谈核电的原意如果说今天是一个确实的命题那么他应该讨论的是核电要不要原意而不是说核三要不要原意在这个命题我的个人的观点跟我小代表的我的这个知识告诉我 |
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正確的事情我們都支持所以您剛剛在講說那如果沒有安全那安全是大家共事OK那我們到底要討論什麼挑問題的那麼清清楚楚沒有安全什麼可能嚴厲對不對而且柏定你的問題我回答你我是民眾黨黨團負責提案說明的委員為什麼當初訂的這個是河山嚴厲沒有其他河山因為去年的河山剛剛大體檢過嘛它是最安全的嘛 |
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所以我們才從核三做起啊博定你核三研歷823過了之後你就可以進一步去討論核二或者是核四廠要不要體檢嘛你先跨出一個最安全的核三他最新嘛對不對統新而且他去年你花了那麼多錢他剛大稅休完他又是最安全的博定現在喔現在立法院的立法委員正在核三廠在考察我們也確認他是安全的他的那個十四除人潮 |
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就是這個燃料棒用完之後出來它就可以用四年喔目前最安全的就是核酸嘛所以先從核酸做起嘛我想不能夠救我來 你看一下核廢料問題來 把電話拿出來核廢料上一張你一直在講這個三原則安全全世界在用核電的那麼多國家哪一個國家不認為安全要不然他怎麼敢用 |
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核廢料的處理核廢料美國有問題嗎美國的AID處長還跟你講不只是技術設備連核廢料他都可以幫忙處理全世界現在核廢料任何地方有問題嗎現在台灣的核一廠 核二廠 核三廠核廢料現在放你的 |
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它在核一核二都在這個這個它廠區裡面啊對嘛全世界也是這樣嘛全世界有哪一個人跟你哪一個國家跟你講說它核廢料有問題沒有啊沒有沒有沒有沒有啊那個委員我跟您報告日本日本的這個地形跟我們是差不多的日本有很多已經停的這個核電廠到現在都沒有重啟 |
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那你認為他為什麼沒有重啟我想還是一樣我們要由專家來考慮他的安全問題嘛你知不知道民進黨昨天做了一個做了一個發文被那個日本打臉嗎就是你剛剛講的那個日本的記者是打臉你民進黨昨天竟然說核電重啟不是國際歧視他引用的就是你剛剛講引用日本結果一部分的媒體馬上出來打臉他他講了這段話我講給你聽 |
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他說你民進黨怎麼可以講說我們日本什麼自賀二號機敦賀二號機這些重啟有困難日本的電器新聞直接打臉他說沒有啊什麼自賀二號機地震前跟後日本的科學的評估都是一致根本沒有問題更重要的日本政府已經提出了2025年的他們能源基本計畫裡面明定第一個他們要拖碳就是減碳 |
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第二個為了電力的需求所以他們要用最大的限度去活化核能這個核能現在是日本的能源主軸 |
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日本昨天打臉了民進黨結果你今天臉都衝過來又被打了沒有 報告委員我們在討論的你就是很容易把它Shift到別的地方去就是因為你講的跟昨天民進黨一樣人家很清楚跟你講日本 你剛剛講日本日本就是他們認為安全來 我給你看來 博定來看下一張博定 日本目前博定 你這樣說我們日本總是有歸宿歸宿還沒有恢復你這麼詳情來 博定你看 來 博定看 |
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日本目前有33座核電的基礎到2024年11月它有7座電廠的13個反應爐本來是3個有6座嘛 對不對日本現在已經有恢復了7座7座電廠13座反應爐在運轉了他們的目標是後面這個更重要他們還一直在增加2023年要恢復到20 |
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所以日本不是你講的不然日本人很重視安全啊你一講說日本沒有恢復所以日本人家出來抗議我沒有講說日本沒有恢復委員你又再斷章取義了 |
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又在斷章取義我沒有講這句話我是講說日本也有沒有還沒恢復的這個電廠他說扛聖的問題就是安全的問題嘛是啊你也是同意是安全的問題啊是不是這樣但是我的意思是說安全的問題不能夠用公投來決定嘛 |
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安全的問題一定要專家決定嘛對不對譬如說我們有這台車這台車載40噸啊大家也認為說40噸還可以開啊問題是不是我們在想說它可以開就可以開嘛一定要電機技師所有的這個專家來決定說它可以開對啊所以要你們但是所以這個問題就是不是用公投就可以來決定說核安會跟台電都要去檢驗它確定是安全的嘛這個安全的責任政府就要負啊 |
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所以安全不是這次公投的題目所以我們你要投的是要不要研議那政府本來在核管法在這次公投的條文裡面就是我們在講過了總統也講得非常清楚前世界哪一個國家會在不確定是安全的時候會重啟核電來保證我給你看一下你都要說40年有沒有研究美國啊 |
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8080.987 |
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美國現在有94座的核電機組其中89座都是超過40年 |
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40年當然是安全的啦所以所以剛剛人家講的日本有些人超過40年他經過安全測試之後確定安全他就用了嘛美國也是一樣嘛所以來來 保定你講我有事要講嗎抱歉 可能要快一點那個等一下民進黨立委說我站太多時間我今天給你很多時間講法你載美國車啦載40噸啦你載的美國車跟我載的美國車一樣啦但是載的人不一樣啦你覺得40年後那些車的condition是都一樣的嗎 |
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我剛才在說 保定我們的台電是很優秀的我們合一廠 合二廠 合三廠在國際評比我們的車都保養得很好都是名列前茅你對自己有信心而且我們的機器我們機器跟技術都是美國來的安全的問題一定要專家講保定你想要對自己這麼沒有信心我剛才在說黃梓欣說你們不要汙染核電你還一直在汙名化講對自己沒有信心安全的問題一定要專家你經濟部長不能靠民眾大家的意識來決定他是不是可以做 |
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你這樣是完全不尊重民意 不然你怎麼這樣說民意是 民意的部分我們一定尊重對啊 你剛才說不是由他們來選沒有安全的事情為什麼要公投 就是這個全民意識的展現嘛就你們講三條件的共識嘛你當然要尊重民意啦好啦 我知道我時間再拖下去不行了那個主席都已經 大家看我我告訴你 馬上823就要公投了 大後天啦 |
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我們現在結議文跟提案文裡面都清楚講它是一個便宜的店穩定的店 乾淨的店我也很希望就是說823如果通過了這個門檻之後你本來就依法要做嘛希望你如果留下來好好去推動整個河山廠可是我告訴你河山廠是最新的去年底剛剛提醒過請好好去做事讓河山廠可以趕快研立 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝那我們現在休息10分鐘 |
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好,我們來看一張照片。 |
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謝謝 |
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謝謝大家 |
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8327 |
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這張圖片是在2012年10月1日拍攝的 |
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8340.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜 |
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剪水,因為我們沒有剪水,阿四,他講的全部都是剪水剪水,剪水,剪水,剪水,剪水,剪水 |
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我這個禮拜五希望下去 |
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8417.332 |
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我想我們要先看到表演的狀況對,Escal推的第一年的狀況對,Escal推的第一年的狀況有沒有顯著的效果?沒有程序啊,我們就...我們就看到顯著的效果我們就看到顯著的效果我們就看到顯著的效果我們就看到顯著的效果 |
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對呀,因為它現在也不見了然後剛剛有一個作者比較教學如果有的話就請教我再跟蔡媽祖問一下好 |
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谢谢大家 |
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他們AI技術也做得還不錯他們好像就是ISCO,ISCO他在補貨,你有沒有看過他以前你們在做減碳、做序位所以你的數位變成數碼,減碳跟ISCO |
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現在請鄭天才委員做詢答主席有請部長郭部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
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部長好委員好辛苦了這個7月6號7月6號這個中度颱風只是中度而已那台灣歷經這個颱風是每年都有有中度也有強度很強的還有比這個還有 |
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這個從7月6號到現在真的是夠久了那我們看這個我們經濟部的報告裡面提到這個中度颱風也請台電也上來了電線桿倒塌三萬五千支以上這個不曉得在過去的記錄裡面 |
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這個電線桿倒塌的數量這一次不是不曉得是不是最多的一次台電有瞭解嗎應該是最多的一次啦好這個莫拉克颱風也是中南部莫拉克也所謂的八八風災也是中度中度颱風所以這個 |
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不曉得有沒有去到底是什麼原因怎麼會倒塌這麼嚴重這個台電有沒有去了解 |
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報告委員 這個這一次的颱風會這麼嚴重主要就是它的這個颱風走向不一樣過去的颱風大概都是由東往西這一次的這個丹納斯颱風是由南到北那一進入到嘉南平原以後那個風就轉進去了因為它太空旷了所以轉進去以後因為我們那個電感第一面就全倒那個部長 |
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因為我是過去在台灣省政府20年了然後在中央服務10年然後我又是花蓮人所以颱風沒有錯很多都是從花蓮台東這樣上來我剛擠的這個莫拉克颱風它就不是從花蓮台東過去的就是從就是從這個西部 |
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不管怎麼樣都會先經過屏東都是從南而往北基本上是這樣所以這個都是要去評估當然除了這個之外當然這個也回去也請部長轉達給這個水利署 |
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這個水利署的部分也是很嚴重所以這次的特別條例裡面也有針對水利設施這些那這個這裡面我一直在在判斷我只能用判斷這個當然也可以讓水利署去了解那個房子民間的房子一直 |
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净水那就是排水的问题嘛对不对排水当然有很多种状况然后又是光电的问题所以这个有时候是光电因为排水大家不种田的排水设施就放在那边然后是不是那些光电的那些剩下的那些器材就 |
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在深設的時候是不是就阻塞了這些水溝排水設施都有可能所以在這個要請水利署水利單位包括也可以會同這個農田水利會他們在清理的時候是不是有清理到這些了 |
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这个都是因为这个跟能源署有关系啊到时候能源署在核定相关的光电的时候的就要去特别去要求啊特别去要求我们要整体的去而不是自己做自己的不然的话怎么会这个因为台风然后后面的豪雨嘛对不对 |
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也不是像豪雨那樣啦就是下雨嘛我們就稱豪雨好了就讓這些房子一直一直積水室內一直積水那就是排水設施的問題有水利署的也有那個農業部這個農協水利署這種灌排兩種嘛所以這個部分都是需要共同的透過這樣的一個 |
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清理的時候就要去了解到底是什麼原因造成這些這個是我的建議當然我剛提到莫拉克颱風8月8號發生的行政院很快的12天行政院12天就提出了莫拉克颱風的災後重建特別條例12天就送到行政院立法院 |
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當然這個不是你主責的啦那是相關的部會應該要怎麼樣去協調組織的機關應該要提出因為這個真的是這次太慢啦7月6號的颱風當然是颱風加上接下來的豪雨這個國民黨團他一直要求一直要求才完成這個特別條例 |
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所以在这样的一个情形之下经济部在整个600亿当然行政业本来没有那么多了500多亿所以后来600亿协商之后通过的是600亿经济部编列了这个187.41亿当然预算书还要审预算案还要审 |
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9215.854 |
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在这样的一个情形之下所以我刚才讲上次审议算了说我们都会去就会去想要去了解这些所以刚提的这些怎么样横向的联系原因怎么样去彻底的去了解这个原因这个是一个除了台风是一个很基本的原因但是造成这样的一个灾害那个原因真的是要去加强 |
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那這樣的一個經費是不多當然這個經濟部要做的事情也還真多光這個中小企業你們也提出了這些這個災禍復原的這些措施當然都不足當然有的尤其企業發生這些狀況間接受害的其實還包含勞工 |
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這些企業的勞工當然這個在後復健條例裡面沒有包含這個部分了怎麼樣去去那個這個都是需要去解決的問題好這個光電板能源署包括當然這個光電板因為這個為了加速所以也沒有做過期也都不用做環評 |
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所以这个部分都是能源署在去继续在进行这个光电的你看这个一个台风造成这么大的一个光电板的一个损害然后造成的这些这些2800公吨15万片 |
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這個等於相當於五年五年台灣的廢棄的數量所以這個跟能源政策都有關係都有關係所以這個部分這個能源政策台電經濟部怎麼樣去因為這樣的造成台灣雖然已經走到這個地步該試檢討 |
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該是好好檢討的時刻了所以這個部分是一個因為時間的關係我也不是這個專業了但是從這個數字數量來看的話我過去我也跟部長提了好幾次我是沒有要跟你要數字了一定要去評估經濟部 |
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| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
對於風電 光電 反正是濾電的部分投入了多少經費 這個都是人民的納稅錢產生電了之後 台電用比較高的經費去買這個電 濾電 |
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跟核能的電又有差距這個就是要整體的該是好好的評估而且透過相關的目前的實際的狀況然後長遠的才能夠長遠 |
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才能够长远的为台湾的经济的发展这个是一个我提过很多次了但是真的是要该是好好评估的一个时候好不好是谢谢委员 |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9450.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
現在請趙薇來發言好 謝謝主席我想要請郭部長請郭部長趙薇好部長好 |
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9451.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
不管去或留都要對在你身為部長任內所有的做一個你自己的評比你認為你有協助經濟部協助我們中小企業不只在這次風災有什麼樣子的轉變你是不是跟國人報告一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9494.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
報告委員 我想我的去留這個不是我自己可以決定的那我只要在位的一天我就是全力以赴我之前也講過了我是一天當作兩天在使用兩天當作一天在使用 |
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9497.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9521.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
這個我每天要主持三四場會議那也要到市場去到這個工協會去聽聽業者的這個聲音現在我最大的工作兩項工作第一項就是災區救災那因為災區救災這個一刻都不能緩不能緩所以對我們來講這個 |
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9525.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
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如果早一天快一點讓這個災區的受災戶恢復到這個平日的這個生活這個是我們最重要的工作經濟部 |
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9536.368 |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
除了這個幫助這個受災戶之外整建他的這個屋舍之外我們對那個實際從事商業活動的或者實際從事工業製造活動的我們都希望他能夠快速恢復運作所以在他們有任何因為每一家的需求不會一樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9574.366 |
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每一家的需求不會一樣所以我們就是總的來講我們有各種的這個協助措施也有各種的補助措施這個是我現在救災的工作所以我們救災工作除了這個中氣署以外 |
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我們包括能源署包括水利署都全都投入特別是水利署因為水利署我們為了要救災我們把水利署目前在這個嘉義台南的工班全部把它移到這個救災的這個工作上面當然也包括趙偉寧的這個故鄉彰化也是一樣只要我們一直優先去處理啦因為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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他們如果不停下來來協助做救災現在市場上找不到有人可以來處理這麼大量的救災工作 |
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所以我想這一次的我們配合前進辦公室在統籌這整個的災區的工作的分配我想我們也要感謝水利署過去他們的這些工班願意來幫忙甚至於我跟委員報告我們所接受的責任區裡面屬於中低收入戶的 |
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都是由我們的經濟部所屬的機構來承接他們是不用付錢我們現在經濟部也在考慮做一件工作我認為中低收入戶的小孩子也應該要有這個教育成長的機會雖然我們國家國民教育一直到國中但是我認為我要讓他這個 |
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不會受到這個家庭的影響也不會受到這個災情的影響怎麼樣協助他那你怎麼協助他我們現在就是給他們找廠商來然後就是給他們食物捐助就是給他們課桌椅給他們這個書包來補助他們對中小對中低收入富豪 |
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中低收入户是我们政府的认证但是除了中低收入户以外在很多不符合中低收入户标准的我希望经济部也能够一并的照顾他们可以吗 |
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当然那个是我们除了政府应该做的事情以外我是说经济部在处理过去的这个过程里面我们发现还是有一群比较需要我们紧急给他这个辅助的救助的这一些部分那因为在等到政府有一定的程序 |
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那他可能还不积极所以我们现在就是食物捐助很多包括我们这次经济部大概有900多件的电器家电商品也有这个请具我们大概第一个时间几千套的请具都先进去了这个就是我们经济部 |
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我们的中小企业署我们传发署的署长他们发挥这个人力集力的这个爱心我们都是请我们的厂商来协办大家也非常乐意这个在这个所谓的CSR企业的这个CS上面我们就跟他讲我们也鼓励他要人力集力这个点我想我们经济部正努力在做这些事情 |
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好就關稅的問題受影響的中小企業你說要帶他們協助他們去美國去設有嗎報告委員我們是說他有意願去美國的我們協助他快速出海落地 |
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因为过去经济部没有做这些事情的话他们都必须要单打独斗但是我认为单打独斗太可怜了因为到美国你随便盖一个厂都要四年到五年但是如果由政府把他们整合 |
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所以只是協助有意願去的嘛是不是對並不是要求他們要去購買投資有沒有沒有要求我們只是說明當你們有意願到美國去投資或到海外去投資的廠商那麼政府經濟部站在這個協助的這個角色我們會幫他快速的出海落地 |
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好 那現在因為這一次的關稅的問題那造成了我們不管是中部也好 其實全台很多出口的產業都有無薪假的問題那現在越來越高了那我們怎麼樣解決 |
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两个部分大部分的这个厂商他们会修无薪假是因为他们不敢报价那为什么不敢报价我们所了解的程度就是汇率他没有办法掌握所以第一个我们先稳汇先让那个汇率就是远汇远期汇率跟这个 |
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我们在协助它我们也跟银行都谈了我们有一个商品叫做选择权加上远期汇率我想这部分委员是专家我们把它做成一个商品请银行让小企业微型企业它可以快速买到这个商品就可以稳定它的报价这样会增加它拿单子的机会第二个 |
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第二个如果他真正必须要休假的时候那么当然劳动部会给他们一些支持但是经济部我们建议这一些厂商可以来经济部的试炼线我们在AI的试炼线我们希望他可以学习下一个阶段的技术 |
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那么可以操作AI的应用在这个设备上面这样会增加它非常高的function我想这个是目前经济部可以努力的这个方向 |
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就是除了提供金融支持以外我們就是協助匯率避險然後提升它的競爭能力好 剛才其實業務委員問到現在美國的商業部長有在講要投資他們不只要投資英特爾也要投資台積電我問你那投資台積電要不要經過我們台灣的投審會 |
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要看他投資多少了 |
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要不要經過如果當初也有傳出說我們聯電要投資英特爾對不對那投資聯電去投資英特爾要不要經過投審會就是你經濟部管的你不能夠在以你民間企業來身為經濟部長你不能夠在以說他們不是你的公司所有公司涉及台灣的晶片的相關的 |
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這樣子的關鍵的時候都是經濟部要主管的不管是台積電美國要不要投資台積電他們如果來申請我們就會了解是不是他們要申請啦他們要申請對於美國要投資台積電或者是聯電要去投資英特爾等對於台灣有重要關鍵的 |
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我們都應該要一併的做審理嘛對不對要保護台灣的關鍵技術嘛是不是不然未來怎麼樣讓台灣的經濟能夠繼續的穩定成長嘛是不是 |
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那這也就是我們現在對臺灣的電力以及相關的我們中小企業重建的這樣子的工作我們希望經濟部都能夠一併共同的審視好不好好好 謝謝 |
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好现在请赖瑞文委员做询答好现在谢谢主席请部长郭部长 |
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也請一下這個產業運輸管理局一起來 北東部長我先請教一個問題其實大林埔遷村我一直在關心一直在關心這樣的一個進度那其實從2016年就在追包括每次總諮詢那2018年蘇院長核定經費之後那到現在又已經2025年了又過了六七年了那我想問一下部長明年有沒有編列經費來做這些工作 |
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已經編列了 有編列了齁我得到的訊息是大概編了60億的經費 這個正確嗎是 是啦齁那裡面60億大概做在公共設施跟公有地的一個購地經費嗎包括跟台塘跟交通部港務局的經費嗎 |
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部長是嗎這些採購經費是所以這也等於是一個很跟也讓當地的鄉親們了解確實經濟部是動起來了因為已經編低一筆經費60億然後即將來作為收購這個公共設施的建設跟公共土地的購地經費那我希望這個部分能夠加快來進行了好不好請部長經濟部的部分一定是會加快進行那還有其他哪個部分 |
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地方政府好我請部長也加速跟地方政府的溝通好不好市府的 因為這個是由經濟部主辦委託給市政府辦理但是畢竟主辦方是經濟部所以我還是要請部長跟副局長這邊要盯緊好不好這個 |
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因為從2016年談到現在都已經這個快10年了那從蘇院長核定到現在也快7年了其實這個速度要加快要不然當地鄉親都一直覺得說到底簽不簽到底是簽真的簽假的好不好部長應該是簽真的吧我去 我跟你一樣我去公聽會嘛 |
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我能夠了解所以我們大埔村的鄉民的村民的意願所以我們會努力來達成部長其實去也聽到很多心聲很多人擔憂的是到底簽不簽速度能不能快一點幾乎都是這樣的一個那要簽速度要快一點 |
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所以經濟部的部分沒有問題了我們是全力以赴好不好那就請如果你談到市府部分就請經濟部也協助了好不好請市府那邊也加速了那再來我來問一下丹利普前春裡面有涉及到環評跟都計的程序嘛那都預計在明年的包括11月12月陸續來完成那這個其實也可以快啦我舉以前國企的例子國企環評可以拖了13年那真的是很沒有效率啦 |
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部長企業家出身不管環評過或不過最糟糕的就是拖了13年不敢做決定這是最糟的決定那我也希望千春的環評跟都計我希望因為有些涉及到環境部有些涉及到內政部也請經濟部因為竟然是主責機關啊能不能也協調溝通一下加快加快它的程序那你這個東西加快了後面的程序就整個會加快能不能盡量趕在明年的上半年來完成環評跟都計的程序 |
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我們會朝這個目標來努力好不好我希望朝這個目標好不好因為還有整整一年的時間那其實環評如果多做一些溝通多做一些說明的話那競速協助是有可能加快的包括都計好不好那我們希望明年上半年把這些完成讓鄉親們早點感受到這個速度好不好感受到這個整個整體的速度好不好 |
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好那另外還有包括甚至園區的核定設置我們都希望這些都配合能夠整個加快好那再來我們前幾天大概包括次長何次長跟林副市長也有對外說明了在明年的第二季要來啟動大概4到6月要來啟動協議架構程序部長這個確定了嗎 |
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確定這個確定了所以明年的4月到6月要來啟動協議架構那我們希望這個協議架構的程序是能夠順利而且是快速的至少我也希望經濟部跟市府那邊把相關的整個配套措施把它做好讓 |
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人民很快的能夠在4月份開始就能夠完成這個協議架構的程序一坪換一坪包括住商區的土地一坪換一坪包括 |
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農業區土地換到高坪特定區甚至於有些若領現金的話那包括公保地的協議架構等等我們希望這些趕快來完成協議架構程序之後那後面還有甚至於完成之後還有很多要抽籤配利等等很多作業要做所以我們希望4到6月能夠完成這樣的一個協議架構程序部長這個應該可以在4到6月把它完成所以明年的上半年應該可以把 |
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多數的協議架構把它做完成嘛明年上半年明年上半年就在六月把所有的這些協議架構完成那當然有些不願意協議架構那當然下一步再來想辦法了但是至少把有意願願意協議架構願意一坪換一坪願意領取現金願意換土地的我們盡速把它完成那讓他們可以正式的感受到這個遷村的程序啟動那協議架構完了之後那2027年 |
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照我們的規劃應該是2027年正式來啟動正式的遷村是吧 部長是的 在2027年正式啟動所以等於是2026年的上半年完成了協議架構那在下半年會把其他土地的問題做一個初步的解決之後2027年就正式來啟動遷村那2029年來完成遷村這是經濟部目前的目標的方向嗎 是吧 |
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目前暫定是這樣暫定這樣我希望大家來努力啦對因為這個真的拖很久了啦真的拖很久了我認為也不宜再拖了啦那協議加購完正式來啟動千春那也正式來這個完成千春我們希望2029年是一個 |
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歡迎外星族的觀念就是說大家都是開開心那我也希望在這個過程中也跟部長反應就是說有任何只要當地市區的居民的一些權益我也希望多多給予照顧沒有人會希望離開自己的長期居住的家園但是因為那邊的空屋八百隻煙囪的包圍因為當年政府沒有作為那也為了國家國土的配置更有利我也希望這件事情經濟部門能夠善待當地的居民就是說 |
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能夠給的盡量給啦就當然法律上可以給的空間因為我還是要再次強調沒有人願意簽的啦如果不是因為環境不好如果不是因為各方面的因素沒有人願意簽那在簽的過程中我也相信未來這件事情是可以創造出一個多贏的空間對國家是好 對人民是好對整個產業也是好的 |
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那我希望我們朝著多營的空間來進行我也相信未來政府跟整個會在這邊獲得了更大的一個整體上更大的一個效益所以在這樣狀況下的時候就盡量能夠善待市區的人民當然如果說是其他的這個寄附在這邊或其他外來的這當然就 |
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還好我覺得應該是可以的但是如果真正市區在那邊從小在那邊長大或者他們兩代三代都在這個地方的話那不要讓他們將來有一天離開了大林埔的時候流離失所甚至於他們條件是很苛刻的甚至於對他們來說將來是對政府有怨言的那我覺得這個是將來是會造成反對更多的後遺症我也希望部長在這個處理過程中給予更寬的條件 |
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善待市居的居民真正住在这边的居民我认为其实符合公平争议也是让整件事情能够圆满一个关键因素好不好是的谢谢委员指导我想我们会在法的框架之内我们全力以赴好谢谢部长我想企业家出身的应该更能够感同身受我也相信能够创造多赢的空间多赢是很重要的让人民赢让国家赢让整个产业都赢大家都赢这件事情一定是做得到也需要花一点心力 |
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那最后一点时间我再请教一下这一次的风灾之后山区有很多土石的坍塌等等那个很多的包括青枢的安全的这一块我也希望部长更加的重视了好不好特别是在跟山区里面的它很多的土石坍塌你看这个桥这个是在纳马下的一个桥那几乎是每次豪大雨几乎是 |
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土石落到了幾乎是跟橋面但交通部已經要蓋新的橋了但是表示這邊的嚴重性我也希望經濟部跟交通部各部會通力來合作把山上的很多的土石盡量能夠紓盡下來能夠讓那個地方的淤積不要這麼嚴重因為每次都這麼嚴重的時候其實每次只要好大的颱風來就會造成重大影響 |
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好不好這請部長再加速好不好加速重視啦那最後一個是原鄉這一次的部分因為很多的自來水好大雨中它自來水受到很多的影響那當然也有謝謝水利署啦也有給予支持的那我也希望除了地方的經費 |
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中央有給了地方不足的部分中央能夠持續來支持啦中央持續來支持就對於三個原鄉的部分那我知道水利署其實是有這樣的法令可以來提供的啦那個錢都並不會太多但是對原鄉的原住民使用自來水就很重要我也希望部長來支持好不好 |
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是啊 我們能夠做得到的我們都會做我知道這個部分在法的框架之內我們一定會建立我有問過水利署基本上是有條件只是有部長的承諾是大家會更加的放心我們大家來努力好 那另外中長期的部分現在因為工程會有已經復建的工程經費甚至我們這次也通過了特別條例 |
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那特別條例裡面也會匡列很多經費進來我也希望未來的時候包括部長 包括署裡面也把這些經費匡進來好不好 給原鄉的三個原鄉區裡面能夠至少有基本的自來水使用啦這樣的匡進來的話才能夠加速它的一個施作 好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝部長 謝謝 |
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謝謝我們現在請張家俊委員做詢答張家俊委員張家俊委員不在現在請陳昌明委員做詢答陳昌明委員陳昌明委員不在現在請李坤成委員做詢答謝謝主席我們請部長 |
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也請我們這個採訪組的這個邱署長 |
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委員好部長好辛苦了這個請教一下這個部長還有署長我是問這個有關這個汽車關稅的問題那部長知道說現在在我們這一個台北港大概有三萬輛的這個進口車就只在那邊那就是因為關稅的問題就是說消費者會等想說這個等關稅確定之後是不是有便宜的進口車可以買那所以呢這個業者當然也賣不出去那我想請教一下目前我們的這個進口車的關稅是17.5% |
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那這個在談判的過程當中這個汽車關稅是一個非常重要的一個談判的議題那我想請教一下部長目前有關這個汽車關稅這一塊到底有沒有什麼比較具體的一個進程 |
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報告委員我想因為關稅的談判現在還是在進行中我知道暫定的對所以這個進口的車的這個關稅目前還沒有還沒有確定對但是是會朝向要調降的方向來做談判的一個方向嗎 |
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美国一定会要求我们往下降但是降到什么样的程度现在就是我们的谈判团队跟美国还在继续协商所以有没有可能降到0这个我不清楚因为我不是谈判团队 |
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那你也是業者出身的啦那你也知道說這個在舊美國來講他是想有機會就會把關稅降到零嘛對不對這是一個參考詞啦那如果降到零的話有沒有想到說對我們產業的影響因為這個降到零就是一個最差的一個情況了嘛那降到零的話這個當然對於這個我們的這個台灣的這些要買車的人當然是一個好消息但是對於台灣的這些這個 |
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这个零件车子零件的业者或整车业者当然会受到影响那有没有想到说会受到什么样的影响呢就国产汽车来讲我们大概就是如果进口车那关税是零或者是这个比较低的这个关税的时候那么会影响到台湾的可能就是汽车零组件还有在台湾制造的这个汽车嘛这个部分我们大概都有跟业者还继续在 |
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在共同努力就是說有一個比較具體我問兩個比較具體的就好了就是說這個國產車自治率的一個條件然後還有這個國內無產制國內沒有產的這個零組件進口的關稅這個兩項這個兩項有沒有去討論我們都有討論 |
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那有没有一个比较具体的我们现在是这样子就是我们的建议台湾的强项其实应该是在电子零组件上面所以我们其实都有建议这些在台湾有厂的这些所谓外籍的公司包括日本的包括韩国的那我们就建议他们能够是不是能够生产电动车 |
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生产电动车因为电动车其实不是日本跟韩国这些公司的主力但是他的客户会要求电动车所以我们建议他是不是让在台湾的厂可以生产他全球的他们品牌的电动车他们是有在考虑但是他们必须要跟他的母厂母公司来协商 |
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我想這個我們從這個今年的大概是7月吧7月的時候討論出來一個方向但是關稅有可能在譬如說9月10月就會決定了 |
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所以你要轉型坐電動車那是一個比較long term的一個轉型的目標那我剛才講一個就是說我們有很多是屬於零組件進口就是零組件是台灣當然坐車但是有一些關鍵零組件還是從國外進口那這方面的話關稅有要調降嗎就是不然你台灣的國產車幾乎沒有什麼競爭力 |
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我們國產車的部分我想這個國內我們可能會鼓勵太舊換新 |
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因為台灣的這個超過20年的車有200萬台所以我們鼓勵他因為基於這個節能減碳所以我們也希望他能夠換一些這個耗能比較輕的車由國內的這些廠商他們來生產所以大概200萬台車可以在這幾年裡面讓他去轉型不是啊 那你怎麼害羞煥心你有什麼政策上面的誘因啊 |
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我們這個可能會調降這個貨物稅 |
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那你要問財政部啊這個不是只有你說我們意思就是說我跟那個委員你們有跟財政部有討論過了嗎我們當然是業者的意願確定了我們才會做這個財政部的溝通那有跟財政部先溝通過這個貨物稅的問題嗎這個部分在我們所謂的這個討論的過程裡面都有提過了那財政部的財政部的這一個財政部啦因為我自己在財委會啦財政部只要跟他講說要降稅他就跟你拼命啦 |
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不过这个我想我们会基于国人的企业发展的这样的一个过程我想财政部应该会支持好那我再请问一下一个是这个法规的问题就是说现在我们的这个车子我们是采用这一个欧洲的这个检验的一个标准那如果说美国车子进来的话那怎么去做这一个标准的一个做一个调整它还是要通过我们的车车中心的检验 |
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對啊但是規格不一樣啊它是一個是美國的一個是我們是採用歐洲的啊是不一樣的啊可以做correlation什麼意思可以做一些這個這個規格上面的一個比照現在有在處理這一塊嗎現在還沒有看到沒有那但是那但是美國車是有可能有需求我們就會一定會有這個需求啊因為接下來就是美國車會進來啦 |
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但是我跟委員報告就是我們所了解就是數量款式都會增加市場上面大概你講的是美國牌的品牌的大車但我們所了解的有很多美國車會進來的倒是這個所謂日系韓系在美國製造的車 |
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那規格是一樣的嗎規格應該是一樣的是一樣嗎是用台灣現在的這個這個歐洲的這個檢驗的規格嗎是嗎署長是嗎署長這個這個我想我們認為應該是啦沒有我一樣署長這個這個署長比較這個可能不是太嚴重的問題沒有我問一下署長那署長是嗎 |
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因為美國車以前就都已經有進來的 並不是這次開放才進來的那在以前數量不多嘛那現在數量如果一下增加的話如果說需要進行一些法規的調適的話可能我們還要再跟交通部這邊再討論一下所以也都還沒有進行就對了這個你們可能也要開始要做進行因為我覺得這個是大概是在兩三個月大概就會確定的事情那我最後再問一下部長就是說因為如果 |
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你開放這一個美國車關稅是零的話那其他的其他的歐洲的車他會不會比照要求要辦理我們跟美國的談判就台灣跟美國之間的關稅關係對啊那他就說那美國車就降了那基於這一個這一個比如說WTO的精神這個不能獨厚美國他其他車也要降其他這個歐洲進口車也要降會不會 |
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理論上這個應該會有這樣的一個要求啦對啊但是我們的原則現在還是只跟美國談是啊 那我是說因為現在美國當然是跟美國談那我是說會不會有其他的這個歐洲的那邊的車子也會有要求也會有相同的這個一些要求啊據WTO他們可能會要求但是我們現在那我們有做什麼樣的因應嗎我們還要再評論啦不是啊 這個都是近這兩個月會發生的事情耶 |
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但是因为我们现在在看就是看这个未来的变化因为这一系数变跟美国谈的现在还没有谈定那其他的国家跟美国很多还是没有谈定所以没有谈定的过程里面这个变数太多了 |
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所以我們現在先針對美國這個先造成的影響以後其他的部分是穩定的可是你們要去預想啊就是說我剛才講那幾個那應該都是要去預想就是說好像關稅就是有可能是0那如果關稅0的話那對於台灣的這個國產車業者會造成什麼樣的影響那我剛才講的就是說那有一些比較關鍵的一些 |
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一些零組件要進來 那這個關稅是不是要做調整那或是說這一個你剛才講的 你希望說鼓勵台灣的這個車子能夠 車主能夠胎舊換新然後除了這個貨物稅上面給予一些減免之外 還有什麼要去做的然後不然的話 對於台灣的這些這個國產車的這些廠商來講做零件的廠商來講 會受到很大影響 接下來就是會變成 |
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失業的人口這個不是就是一連串會延續發生的嗎是 謝謝委員知道我們都會依據國際實務跟規定來辦理 |
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好啦我的意思是說這個雖然談判在進行當中但是因為現在已經8月快8月底了我覺得大概在兩個月大概會確定也不可能一直懸在那邊沒辦法確定但是汽車關稅的談判一定是其中一個沒有辦法把我們的關稅談好的一個其中一個蠻重要的一個因素在所以這個東西搞不好已經談好了也不一定 |
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這個對業者來講當然是希望說能夠買到便宜的車但是卡在那邊不上不下你如果早點決定了其實業者跟這個買車的人他們都有一個盤算在那邊現在對業者來講其實最擔心就是你懸而不決一直卡在那邊其實對業者來講才是一個最大的一個心理或是經濟上面的一個負擔謝謝是 謝謝委員好 謝謝現在請賴世保委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 繼各位先進有請經濟部的郭部長郭部長 |
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委員好部長你好現在今天我想比較大的外面比較大討論的就是說美國政府你看商業部長盧克尼克特別提到了那麼有考慮有考慮就是仿照說就是這個補貼他對晶片用晶片法案裡面補貼 |
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這個金額把它換股權所以它原來就已經對英特爾這樣就是取了英特爾1818非常多變成最大股東我看了一下一些相關的資料它在這個消息出來之後英特爾的股價是下跌的那今天一樣今天的消息出來了說這個也是要川普政府要準備要對台積電的補助 |
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60億美金要把它變成一個股東結果變成是股市也是下跌的你要不要雖然我知道你已經講了不過你說這個假設性什麼之類的台積電假設性你要不要從你一個經濟部長你也是業者出身來怎麼看說政府的補助給企業變成持股對企業什麼影響這個有點像中國的 |
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過去他的企業民進國退的時段到後來最近的國進民退大概都是有這樣的一個痕跡在我們在看說政府要對企業補助美國剛開始是反對中國這樣的模式 |
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但是他覺得說中國那個模式可能不會讓這個企業倒所以他現在呢就是說我既然要補助你那我要一點股份我要股份就扮演股東的角色所以我想這個就這個這個business model來看的話這倒是一個我們一個比較新的可以討論的這個部分 |
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那就台灣來講他可能也有可能我想也有新聞在講說那他對英特爾是這樣的話那麼對台積電的這個補貼是不是也會要求入股對環球晶的補貼是不是也會要求入股這個我想我們還要跟業者討論我不太清楚這個業者的反應會怎麼樣你剛剛提到一個很重要的在過去 |
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我想你也是企業界老闆而且你這方面來講你應該都是很深入的你講到一個東西叫做民退國進 國退民進的事情就原來講國營企業民營化是世界的潮流全球化的潮流是這樣子的民營化怎麼樣把國家的企業特別是貫穿國家 |
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中國大陸也好啦 蘇聯也好啦等等共產國家都是國營事業國營事業變成民營化來造就一波的整個國家的一個經濟的火力出來了那現在呢 現在又倒回去了 |
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所以你剛講的一句很有意思你說這個美國是跟中國大陸跑一樣中國也是目前有一點這個味道變成是民退國進就國家的原來補貼的變成一個要投資的這個我就在請教你了台積電可不可以跟他說NO如果這樣66億美金的補貼我不要了我不要了你這樣子這樣 |
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硬來的我不要了可以不可以這個我想我要去請教台積電我不能夠帶台積電回答這個問題台積電政府有股份我們的國發基金股份有6%之多對 但是我們只有一席董事我們只有一席董事但是你知道台積電現在有幾席董事 |
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有幾席的董事台積電現在就是一般的這個名股大概是五席嘛對 有幾席的董事你知道嗎 其他大概是獨立董事他獨立董事有人講六席來 人講七席啊除了林全之外其他都是外籍人士 |
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其他都是美國人跟英國人就基本上是美國人所以我會擔心的一點是那這樣一來的話美國川普可能不是只有說我持股而已喔我要一起懂事請問台積電有沒有人力所弄 |
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我同意委員的這個推論他有到那個股份一定可以選擇一個董事那他選擇董事就會去干預這個公司的所有的運作那他補助的時候是沒有辦法干預對那只有他進入董事會才會去干預這個我想委員的指教是非常正確的 |
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但是在台灣台積電這個案例我想委員所擔心我們也很擔心不過他如果要這樣的話要經過我們投審會美國要經過投審會請問台積電去美國投資1000億有沒有經過投審會現在經過沒有到現在為止經過沒有他現在還沒有錢還沒有嘛到現在還沒有嘛所以等於說美國好那你講到一個重點說美國川普他如果要硬來 |
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印象要經過我們同意當然是託審會啊要經過我們同意嘛 對不對要經過我們同意嘛所以跟我們好好談一談啦老實講這也是一個好的一個機會啦但是我還是要講 |
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原來晶片法案不是這樣子啊美國晶片法案沒有這一條啊沒有這個option啊說我可以印來的突然怎麼權力這麼大一下子說要印來印上你以前企業界老闆是政府給你補貼20億新台幣然後突然說我要轉成持股你敢同意 請問你如果郭董事長你敢同意 |
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同意他 我們當然同意是要看他進入以後對我們有沒有什麼當然有干預 怎麼沒有呢如果沒有加分效果的話我們當然不會同意什麼叫沒有加分現在好了 因為我時間差不多到了我不用扯太久 我是跟你講如此一來 他有機會因為他66億美金不算少數他的資本額多少台積電資本額 |
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資本額大概2500億左右66億美金就是有一不少錢那它一來的話可能會相當大的一個比重就跟英特爾一樣取得英特爾的所以它來的話就變成是 |
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所以倒貼了台積電變美積電這沒什麼錯就變這個樣子了那你搖頭你要不要解釋一下你到底報告委員我想六十六億我們要看它在市場裡面可以買到我們多少的股票多少的股權所以這個不是說六十六億跟我的資產來衡量所以這個我想都可以談如果它硬要加入我們的股份那當然還是可以談 |
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我給你一個數字了外資佔有台積電73%了市值大概一兆美金左右了所以66億除以它大概6.6%6.6%是很大的share以台積電這麼股權這麼分散的一個公司來講是相當高的比例了 |
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所以他取得一席都是不困難的馬上進來了所以變成是以後變國運事業了以後在川普看上的半導體的重要的chip晶片的廠就是變成美國的國運事業了變這個樣子不過我想報告委員我想我們要看他這個投資是策略投資還是財務投資 |
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當然是策略投資啊那個商務部長講清楚了他的目標他講得很好聽他說讓美國人納稅人的錢他能夠得到一些報酬這個話是平八穩可是問題是你事先沒有這樣講 |
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事先沒有這樣講事先就是他的金邊法案就是給錢就給錢補助你就補助你但是美國是一個法治的國家那我想我們跟他第二的條件就像委員所指教的就是沒有這個條件當然我們可以拒絕 |
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可以拒絕了好那來投審會啊他如果真的變成這個台積電股東要經過我們投審會就這個意思嗎好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝我們現在請蔡易瑜委員做詢答中午不休息延長開會時間 |
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謝謝主席那我們是不是有請郭部長郭部長委員好部長從8月1號這個20%的這個關稅來我想現在所有的產業光萬的居多 |
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那大家也都還在期待說我們對外宣示的這個暫時性關稅那到最後的一個談判結果那部長如果你這樣來判斷的話這個暫時性關稅那跟美國繼續談判這段時間差不多會多久以我們所收集的情報對台灣的關稅應該跟美國主要要談跟中國的關稅 |
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有一些關聯性存在跟中國還沒有談完嘛美國跟中國還沒有談嘛所以跟中國當然是一個很重要的一個節點那台灣跟中國你意思說會受到干擾我們會受到中國的干擾我們倒是認為啦現在的20%關稅再往下走往下走是我們的目標啦 |
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當然啦 大家都是這樣期待繼續要往下走但是美國希望對中國課的是比較高的稅然後會用台灣來做一個衡量的基準也有這麼樣的一個說法所以部長也這樣說有一些學者也做這樣的討論所以台灣有可能真正的關稅定案要在美國跟中國談完 |
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有可能 我们认为我也访谈了很多的业者对也访谈了很多的这个智库他们都 |
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建议说台湾不要这么快就敲定当然如果一开始就能够敲定到我们理想的关税譬如说我们现在大家都希望仿造日本韩国然后没有天花板就是有天花板不要叠加走向15%然后我们有同等的如果我们现在谈可以一下子谈到这个点我觉得这个是我们大家乐见的但是如果 |
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不是這樣的一個情形的話那很多的自顧的評斷就是認為說美國跟中國談定了以後我們會比較好談對 這是一個談判的一個策略的運用所以部長你會這樣做判斷基本上我認為這個可能性是有的所以你剛剛這樣講的基本上 |
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我是接受会有这样的一个可能但是这一个的结果就会变成说我刚刚说产业在观望这个观望期间就会变得更久我们在这个产业观望的这段期间里面我们都做出几个solution对做出几个方式希望帮助这个产业能够度过这一阵比较尴尬的期间对 |
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那我大概访谈了非常多的工协会也访谈很多的厂商他们倒是对关税这个20加N这个命题不是那么当然是很重要但是他们更重要的是汇率的汇率因为他讲说美国大概占他可能50% 30% 40%但是汇率如果不稳定 |
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他是100%所以我们现在早是重点上面就短期里面我们希望在关税你就暂时用20加n的这样的一个条件 |
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去努力那是我減少那個匯率的變數-減少匯率的變數-不就你在說是開始很多抽象的形象因為對他們來說競爭條件沒有改變嘛除了日韓比我們好其他我們主要競爭國家如果是在一些傳統產業可能像泰國啦 越南啦競爭改變不大嘛因為他們的關稅頂多比我們少個1%不然就是一樣像印度是還多我們5% |
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所以競爭不變的情況之下匯率就是的漲跟跌就是直接的硬傷所以這個是確實有這樣的一個狀況但是產業現在還有的面對的一個課題就是說因為台灣的產業的佈局過去就是走全世界了 |
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過去臺灣產業我們臺灣人的很高造型力啊已經都在全世界佈局了所以臺灣產業在全世界佈局的時候他一樣會有面對說每一個國家跟美國的狀況不同然後影響他接下來的佈局 |
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所以我现在是说部长那你有再进一步的跟产业聊说好那如果现在台湾的20加N那跟东南亚甚至全世界的国家那这一些产业他们未来会改变他们的布局模式吗是 报告委员我们大概有三个措施第一个就是给金融支持 |
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金融你可能要贷款贷款往后延这个我们做金融师第二个升级转型升级转型第一个我们增加它的这个升级的条件利用AI应用帮助它在制造的时候升级第二个利用节能减碳降低它的操作成本 |
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第三个帮助他供购一些对这个是在国内他们的升级国内国内但是最重要是开拓市场对开拓美国以外的市场包括我们如何在印度如何在中东如何在东南亚把这个新的市场开拓出来那这个我们也编了 |
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這個比較大的這個開拓市長的費用所以總統有特別指示總統跟院長在這一期我們在115年就是說今後的這個所有的費用裡面這個加很大錢加很大然後這個 |
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让我们在开拓市场上面能够更大的发挥OK就是台湾的在地产业开拓市场美国以外的市场是那部长那你判断会不会有产业他们因为关税的这一个变数存在让他考虑他要到美国设厂 |
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考慮直接因為他可能原本就有在美國就已經有公司了現在他進一步的在美國乾脆直接用部分的產業鏈在美國那以後要銷售美國的就直接在美國會不會有這樣的公司存在報告委員現在這個有兩個方向第一個就是說我們經濟部本來就有在為這個國內的廠商拓展海外所以我們在去年設了捷克的這個貿易投資貿易中心對 |
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然后我们在今年的4月在福冈日本福冈这个月上个礼拜我们在Dallas也设了这个美国投资贸易中心这个贸易中心就是帮助我们国内厂商先进入到这个市场所以我们会在自由贸易港区里面设置这个所谓的仓储跟配送的这个服务让它减少因为我们可以帮它并贵各方面部长这个厂商是有的哦 |
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我相信你這樣講我們鼓勵過去台灣在做鋼鋁的他們因為美國跟他們科很重的稅嘛所以事實上有一些鋼鐵公司他們早就在美國設廠了沒錯 我們會買通路我會鼓勵廠商他們去經營通路我們是協助他找到美國的通路商然後我們請他們能夠M&A去好 部長 |
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台灣的民間的這個生命力很強所以他們知道在美國的關稅之下他們要做什麼產業的佈局這個我們對民間投資有信心那我們也知道說台灣國內的部分我們協助他們拓展國內市場但是我覺得經濟部現在有一件事是你們要協助我們接下來在跟美國的談判的一個團隊我們要做什麼事就是說如果台灣 |
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未來美國會不會要求類似日本 類似韓國要求台灣也是要投資美國這一段很有可能會發生 不能排除可以預期 對不對好 既然這件事是可以預期的 |
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那現在台灣要投資美國的原本他們的計畫有投資美國的事實上經濟部現在應該要先把它先做一個數字的統計起來這些統計的數字咧都是未來我們一旦台灣是需要面對美國川普開出條件的時候這些都是我們的籌碼所以我覺得這件事經濟部可以開始去著手 |
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雖然現在還沒有看到條件 但是你怎麼開始去判證啊這就是我們國內的理論 如何在這一次跟川普的談判也許跟川普的談判 因為剛剛講了還有中國因素 這個時間我們沒辦法預測 有可能會比想像的還要久一點的時間那我們就有這個時間 先把台灣投資美國這件事情先從這個理念出來 |
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這些受理越漂亮的話基本上我們如果期待這些理財都被他花好熱愛這些都是我們最好的籌碼民間都是台灣所有的台灣人都是我們談判的一個最好的一個背景是不是 部長這個委員講得非常正確這個我們都在進行中好 那要繼續努力是 謝謝委員好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們現在請蘇清泉委員做詢答蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在我們現在請邱志偉委員做詢答謝謝主席是不是請經濟部郭部長郭部長 |
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今天是中小企業怎麼去協助度過多重的危機 |
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包括當然是天災也包括整體國際大環境的變化跟挑戰包括大概我認為有三大挑戰中小企業大部分都是傳統產業比較多傳統產業集中也就中南部比較多所以又受到風災然後又遇到國際大環境經濟情勢的變化包括這個美國關稅的問題現在還是沒有最終的這個答案那 |
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牽涉到包括這個鋼鋁我們這個232條款裡面鋼鋁是50%對不對有用鋼鋁塑造影響的產業包括這個工具機的包括螺絲扣件等等對不對所以美國的關稅是一個整體經營環境的挑戰之一之二就是我們匯率問題我們升值的幅度高於日韓中 |
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對匯率是支柱必較匯率的敏感度 傳統產業敏感度相對的避險也比較不足避險能力也比較不足也沒有專業的人力去做避險的工作所以他們對匯率的敏感度很強第三個 中國的惡性的競爭 |
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中國不管是從過去的面板到石化到自行車等等都是用同樣的模式用國家資本介入去取得你的這個市佔率甚至牽連到成熟製程還好我們新興製程還保持一定的優勢成熟製程他們再過幾年他們市佔率就不到50%了這種情況包括傳統產業包括這個高科技產業成熟製程他都用同樣的模式 |
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去取得它的供应链取得这个影响力整个产业链的影响力所以我们传统产业面临到这三种国际环境的变化中国的公市 汇率 然后关税然后加上热金天灾中小企业是不是我认为这二十几年来最艰苦的阶段部长你同意吗 |
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確實如委員指教的部分確實現在的中小企業需要經濟部大力的協作跟輔助這不是一般就是小感冒或者是不舒服頭痛而已我覺得是一個非常重大的一個疾病或者是一個重大的挑戰如果沒有處理好會危及到產業的生存 |
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所以我們必須要嚴肅地面對這個挑戰一項一項來拆解當然天災的部分我們有這個資料重建條例來處理但是匯率這個匯率我們可以匯率跟關稅可超支在我嗎報告委員我個人認為就我過去的經驗來看匯率是可以在某一個部分某一個狀況之下可超支在幾 |
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就是我们用政策可以去做调控汇率我们是可以处理关税是非可控的关税是非可控的超市在它但是现在我们坦白讲我们已经知道暂定的关税是20加N所以就这样的一个情况之下我们先面对这个最坏的状况我们在谈只有更好不会更差 |
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所以就20加恩的时候现在经济部就就20加恩这样的情况之下我们如何协助这一些中小企业他们能够面对这样的一个困境所以我们第一个先解决汇率的问题所以汇率你觉得到哪一种汇率水准才是符合业界的期待我们现在的汇率我们大概中小企业他们比较担心的是日本跟韩国 |
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所以我們的匯率不是只有自己盯美國而是要去考慮到整個動態環境您也是央行理事對不對我是央行理事對啊 你們在這個相關的匯率討論的時候也可以跟這個楊總裁建議我有 我會跟那個中央銀行的總裁我們會來討論怎麼樣子讓到未來其實我跟委員報告我們所了解的這是關稅的部分 |
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应该会在未来三个月里面谈完谈完就是有一个最终的一个关税税率最终的对 但是呢这个会影响的波廊是比较好的结果大概六个月所以我们现在也在讨论怎么样子让台湾的汇率从现在一直到农历年前可以是稳定的不会vibration太大的这样子的话我们台湾的企业韧性是非常的强从目前的汇率可以吗 |
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你覺得維持在目前的匯率水準現在30.23所以現在的匯率應該是業者來講說是不是到31到32一般來講就過去6年過去6年的平均值是31 |
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所以應該如果回到過去6年平均的這個水平會比較好那又回到您所說的這是可操之在我的是可操之在央行的相關的匯率政策所以你做央行我們不能操縱匯率報告委員你可以做一個宏觀調控不是操縱宏觀調控操縱跟宏觀調控是不一樣謝謝委員的指教這個部分 |
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因為您說是31是比較合理我們來努力我們往最棒的狀況去調整這個市場裡面我們比較怕的是突應跟預期心理因為我們在上半年我們其實出差蠻多的所以這個會有人預期說那你這樣的這個要換你台幣就會升值那大家如果說讓那個 |
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大家都都短暫的 怕它崩掉所以我剛綜合一下關稅在六個月之內 三個月之內會有一個最終的稅率出來然後我們希望在未來六個月這個我們的匯率維持一定的水準維持有競爭力的水準這個關一定可以過 那我們目標是到三十一就是過去六年的平均稅率這是我們最棒的狀況嘛好 那另外一個中國的這個 |
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他們的這個競爭中國用所有的方式用在石化用這個面板等等對這個相關螺絲擴建也是如此過去螺絲擴建台灣不用說什麼螺絲擴建過去是全球第三名 |
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中國又用那種搶占你低價國家資本介入搶占你市占率的方式讓你的獲利減少讓你的成本增加加上我們國際環境的變化所以我們對傳統產業 |
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有沒有在政策上強烈的支持讓他們成本能夠降低讓他們在國際市場上有更多的市場機會或者維持相當的競爭力 |
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我觉得对金属扣件要有一个专章要有一个专章然后金属扣件因为每个产业面对的问题不见相同所以专章就是既然对金属扣件我们有很多具体的很具体的做法让这些产业能够度过这三重的挑战跟危机 |
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报告委员我们都有方法包括在国内我们如果帮助国内的厂商降低它的成本利用AI的这个操作第二个透过Exco能够太旧换新它的设备然后节能减碳第三个我帮它统筹材料 |
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帮他能够降低成本这个已经上路了吗上路上路上路然后在美国在美国的市场我们在搜寻美国墙的这个通路然后协助国内的厂商可以进入那个通路 |
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我覺得這樣子就是面對中國的這個競爭惡性競爭不管是成熟製程或者傳統產業我們能不能比如說成熟製程部分禁止國內的半導體跟中國投片 |
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你要跟國內投片不要跟中國 不用中芯國際那些禁止或者你要限制它投片的比例同樣的我們的這個公共工程是不是可以禁止使用這個中國製的相關的擴建產品零件公共工程禁止使用中國的商品這個我們做得到擴大到所有產業呢一樣 |
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所以我們就是禁止中國人我們要用本國的本國的不可以進來啦現在的規定就是不可以進來啦中國的中國的喔那食產地呢食產地抓到就抬頭抓到就抬頭抓到喔第一遍60萬啦 |
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第二邊三百萬 第三邊就吊銷執照就說那些要留在臺灣 不能公共工程或是大型企業那些工廠都用臺灣借 臺灣本土的金屬擴建嘛一定要你要防範這些稀產地 為中國進來 |
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這個我們為什麼會在這一次的這個特別是在海防跟國防上面編列1500億就是禁止他能夠走私起產地那這樣我就稍微放稍微比較放心另外就是成熟製程能不能限制他去跟這個中國以中國國家資本為主的這些扶植起來的這個半導體的成熟製程去投片 |
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我们现在还是这样我跟委员报告在改变那个consumer的产品是没有意义的你必须要去做teleman不然它市占率已经超过百分之五十我们那个市占率小的东西就没钱了我们要去做有钱的生意先不做有钱的生意有钱的生意就是先进制程成熟制程就拼不赢了现在是这样我举一个数字给你听成熟制程我们照样可以teleman |
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我覺得數字給你聽美國三分之二的科技廠商有跟中國投片三分之二有跟中國投片但是整個投片的比率佔百分之十二而已他在美國 他在中國投片然後看的是中國的市場 |
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他看的是中國的市場不會影響到外部的市場我們看的是中國以外的市場因為中國的市場不賺錢所以政府要補助他 |
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境外步骤一样他内卷的很厉害其实中国的而且现在中国这两年去年跟今年增加的四十几个Fab其实都没有竞争力的他内部竞争很厉害是他们中国国内的事情但是他内部竞争也会影响到这个外部的环境对 |
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你放心啦我是很担心未来啊我们这个成熟市场就像现在的石化过去的这个面板啊受到中国的红色供应链的这个侵袭啊因为半导体的变半导体的更新技术的更新 |
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两年就是一个世代那对这成熟制程也是一样它那里面能够赚钱的部分其实很少所以您认为说我们的半导体成熟制程在未来一段时间还是维持一定的优势我们当然有竞争优势因为特别是在特别是20奈米以下的14 12 17这四个制程里面中国没有办法做到有办法做到但是量率非常低 |
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但是台湾呢这个地方做很好的是台积电但台积电现在所有的人都shift到532 1.8所以它可以让出这个我刚才讲的1024 17这四个阶段的这个制程比如说给它的兄弟公司世界先进或者其他的华邦这个我们就可以那如果28奈米的呢28奈米的呢28奈米的可以放弃啦没弹的啊做那样啊 |
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但是國內也有很多生產啊 國內也有很多生產啊沒有啦我們要做那個會斷的 我們不能做那個就不會斷的生意所以這個說來話長但是因為實業限制 我有一向都很損失的這個我可以跟委員私底下報告因為這方面是 這方面真的是我的專業啦好 改天再跟你請教沒有沒有 不敢謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝現在登記發言委員除不在場外其餘均與發言完畢 詢答結束委員張家俊 何新淳 陳超明所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會本日議程處理完畢 現在散會 |