| IVOD_ID |
168758 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168758 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T12:35:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T12:42:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1ad13412d07114a2b10d96ca025fdcb7c5c95c54bff74e41601cee844413abcda5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:35:23 - 12:42:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)委員葛如鈞等20人及(二)委員黃健豪等18人分別擬具「電信管理法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。二、審查(一)委員陳雪生等23人及(二)委員傅崐萁等25人分別擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「有線廣播電視法第五十八條條文修正草案」案及(五)委員黃健豪等18人擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案。三、審查(一)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「廣播電視法第五條之一及第四十四條之二條文修正草案」案及(二)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「廣播電視法第四十四條之二條文修正草案」案。四、處理114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管預算凍結案計13案。【開會事由一至三僅進行詢答；開會事由二第(五)案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】） |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請NCC代理主委好 我們請陳代理主委葉委員好代理主委我是想要來瞭解一下NCC沒委員會怎樣剛剛你有提到沒有委員所以導致於很多家電視台或媒體沒辦法換照對不對是還有一些董事沒有辦法換人嗎對不對對還有一些相關那個立法執法也好 法律也好都沒辦法推出NCC的版本 |
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沒辦法推出NC版本因為你剛剛提到的像換照換照我是覺得還好啦沒換照也不會怎麼樣反正這些媒體假設他有違法的話比如說播出一些法律不允許的那你就罰他嘛對不對本席其實主張根本不用換照啦裁罰部分如果動不動就要換照的話 |
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那就會出現你們之前隨便把一些批評政府的電台關掉的狀況沒換照還好啦反正他有違法你就罰他透過法律來約束然後董建市是屬於比較屬於公司治理有沒有一些是跟民生比較有關的 |
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有關就比方說有線電視的頻道頻道的上下架變更因為車子要營運計畫營運計畫也是委員會保留事項也需要由委員會組成才能處理那代理主我跟您請教一下因為我記得那個時候有在前一兩年前面一位主委被問到說如果NCC委員沒過班會怎樣他是講說iPhone 15沒辦法上市 |
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但現在iPhone15不但上市了iPhone17都上市了各位報告那是七個委員時代最後要他們四個委員要畢業前就是要結束任期前把訂定一個授權的執法讓這個比較省酌空間比較小的部分不是組織法九條二項六款裡頭的這個經營權的登上邊跟處分的部分給他授權來處理所以換句話說就是有一些是技術性的問題 |
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他不是說非怎麼樣啦就是可以解決的嘛但是那時候他為了恐嚇大家就說十五沒辦法上市可是後來還是上市啦所以其實是有辦法解決啦可是他不去講那個辦法但他就跟你講說沒辦法上市所以國人會覺得NCC為什麼都在亂講話他明明就上市啦他講話的當下納稅執法授權辦法所以他有一些作為是可以讓他上市他不去講那個作為他就直接說無法上市結果後來上市就打臉NCC嘛 |
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所以我覺得這也就是NCC為什麼你去看很多民調大家對NCC的滿意度都很低嘛就是很多類似的原因累積起來的所以身為代理主委我覺得你們也有責任要捍衛你們自己機關的榮譽感就是不要讓一般民眾覺得說NCC好像有跟沒有好像沒什麼差別那我現在想要跟你請教現在委員的狀況有三種第一種是全部都有 滿了 |
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然後有過半的這個當然就是什麼都可以運作嘛第二種情況是大概就像你們現在這樣只有三個沒過半所以有些事情你剛剛有提到是沒辦法做第三種最慘的情況很可能會發生因為包括您在內 |
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好像任期也到七月就到期了嘛對 我們目前剩下的三位任期全部到今年七月全部到期然後行政院長卓榮泰院長到現在還是吊兒噹噹的我看有其他委員問他說NC委員要不要提他說我努力 |
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他說我努力他不是說我確定可以他說我努力所以到時候提不出來他就說我努力不夠或是我努力也辦不到就是他連一個決心都沒有所以很有可能出現一個狀況是七月以後NC沒委員那請教一下七月以後NC沒委員和現在有三位委員差別在哪裡 |
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差別在剛剛委員所提到的這個當初有授權的部分那些很多很多比較相對於省酌空間比較小的一些裁判案都不能處理像是進口器材、設明器材、終端設備那些進口包括iPhone等等之類的就是完全沒有委員的情況連剛剛講的那些比較吐息吐民眾的部分大概都都沒辦法處理就會痛了所以你看你看我們這個你有跟卓榮泰院長講這件事嗎 |
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你有跟他講嗎他有沒有像我剛剛問你一樣問過你說有三位委員跟沒有委員的差別他有問過你這件事嗎任何本人是沒有沒有你看他不在乎啊如果他在乎就會問了啊無論怎麼樣起碼提三個過來嘛對不對 你提了三個起碼可以維持現在的運作啊然後連三個都沒有你如果過三個或過一個是不是就跟都沒有不一樣 |
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0跟0.1還是有差別有差別嘛對不對所以他連1個都不提提1個還是有差也都不提我覺得等一下回去之後你是不是跟行政院講一下 |
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就是說現在院長感覺你吊啷噹的但是七個有七個的運作方式三個有三個運作方式但都沒有的話連你剛剛講什麼無線攝頻這些都沒有辦法處理了嘛沒錯嘛是這影響很大是不是請他最起碼提個提一部分出來好不好你跟他講你這個是嚴重性 |
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你跟他講一下這個嚴重性啊 戴主委好不好 等一下結束之後就跟他講一下好 我盡可能好 然後再來問一下因為在去年NCC那時候有引發一個750之亂嘛那針對一些就是二類的射頻器材都說要繳750塊的規費那四月份發生的事然後後來因為那個規定 |
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那個委員會說要求改成核備改成審查所以就給他推翻了可是按照NCC的規法規劃其實你們去年四月的時候你們是想要停政一年而已啦換句話說停政一年到現在一年已經過了你們還有可能會做出這樣的事嗎 |
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絕對不會跟委員報告其實那個執法修因為大院這邊有做一些處理所以原來我們修的那個已經失效了就等於說回到前一版就是沒有修的情況所以也不會再提了因為我看你們去年是說停政一年感覺上好像一年後你們還想要再越越遇事所以現在就是完全都不會做這個事回到前一版 |
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OK 那剛剛我跟你講那個記者要跟院長講就是說起碼要三個嘛或兩個 一個也好 你不能一個都沒有你要跟他講 這個很重要有機會的話我會跟您會有機會 你是歌員耶謝謝 |
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謝謝主席，麻煩請NCC代理主委。 |
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請陳代理主委。 |
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葉委員好。 |
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代理主委，我想要來了解一下NCC沒委員會怎樣，剛剛你有提到，沒有委員所以導致於很多家電視臺或媒體沒辦法換照，對不對？是。 |
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還有一些董監事沒有辦法換人嘛！ |
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對不對？ |
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對，還有一些相關立法，子法也好、法律也好，都沒辦法推出NCC的版本。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:59.845000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:02.866000+08:00 |
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因為你剛剛提到的像換照，換照我是覺得還好啦！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:03.226000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:11.448000+08:00 |
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沒換照也不會怎麼樣，反正這些媒體假設有違法的話，比如說播出一些法律不允許的，你就罰它嘛！ |
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0.975 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:13.049000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:14.089000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:14.089000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:24.633000+08:00 |
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本席其實主張根本不用換照，如果動不動就要換照的話，就會出現你們之前隨便把一些批評政府的電視臺關掉的狀況，沒換照還好啦！ |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:25.193000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:29.115000+08:00 |
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反正它有違法你就罰它，透過法律來約束啦！ |
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0.833 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:30.476000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:35.279000+08:00 |
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董監事是比較屬於公司治理，有沒有一些是跟民生比較有關的？ |
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0.923 |
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陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:37.380000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:47.087000+08:00 |
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比方說有線電視頻道的上下架、變更，因為涉及到營運計畫，營運計畫也是委員會議保留事項，需要由委員會議組成才能處理。 |
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0.902 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:47.447000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:01.477000+08:00 |
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代理主委，我跟你請教一下，因為我記得前面一位主委被問到如果NCC委員沒過半會怎樣，他是說iPhone 15沒辦法上市啦！ |
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0.925 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:02.358000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:05.619000+08:00 |
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但是現在iPhone 15不但上市了，iPhone 17都上市了。 |
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0.96 |
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陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:06.260000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:27.949000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，那是7個委員時代，最後4個委員要畢業前，就是要結束任期前，訂定授權的子法，讓審酌空間比較小的部分，不是組織法第九條第二項第六款裡頭經營權得喪變更、處分的部分，給它授權來處理。 |
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0.841 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:28.349000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:30.690000+08:00 |
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所以換句話說就是有一些是技術性的問題嘛！ |
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0.947 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:31.770000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:34.531000+08:00 |
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不是說非怎麼樣，就是可以解決的。 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:34.851000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:40.093000+08:00 |
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但那時候他為了恐嚇大家就說15沒辦法上市，可是後來還是上市了，所以其實是有辦法解決啊！ |
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0.947 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:40.393000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:46.875000+08:00 |
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可是他不去講那個辦法，他就跟你講說沒辦法上市，所以國人會覺得NCC為什麼都在亂講話，明明就上市啦！ |
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0.978 |
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陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:47.015000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:47.015000+08:00 |
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沒有啦！ |
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0.333 |
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陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:47.495000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:50.236000+08:00 |
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他講話的當下，那時候子法授權辦法還沒有定出來。 |
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0.524 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:50.376000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:57.599000+08:00 |
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所以有一些作為是可以讓它上市，他不去講那個作為，他就直接說無法上市，結果後來上市就打臉NCC嘛！ |
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0.977 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:58.419000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:17.413000+08:00 |
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所以我覺得這也就是為什麼你去看很多民調，大家對NCC的滿意度很低，很多類似的原因累積起來的，所以身為代理主委我覺得你們也有責任，要捍衛你們自己機關的榮譽感，不要讓一般民眾覺得NCC有跟沒有好像沒什麼差別。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:18.114000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:27.842000+08:00 |
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我想要跟你請教，現在委員的狀況有三種，第一種是全部都有、滿了，然後有過半的，這當然就是什麼都可以運作。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:28.483000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:35.051000+08:00 |
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第二種情況大概就像你們現在這樣，只有3個，沒過半，所以你剛剛有提到有些事情是沒辦法做。 |
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0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:35.812000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:43+08:00 |
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第三種最慘的情況很可能會發生，因為包括您在內，好像任期也到7月就到期了嘛！ |
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1 |
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陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:43.280000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:45.842000+08:00 |
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對，我們目前剩下的3位委員任期全部到今年7月底。 |
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葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:47.684000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:16.114000+08:00 |
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行政院卓榮泰院長到現在還是吊兒郎當的，我看有其他委員問他說NCC委員要不要提，他說我努力，他不是說我確定可以，他說我努力，所以到時候提不出來就說我努力不夠或是我努力也辦不到，就是他連一個決心都沒有，所以很有可能出現的狀況是7月1日以後NCC沒委員，那請教一下7月以後，NCC沒委員和現在有3位委員差別在哪裡？ |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:16.735000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:31.186000+08:00 |
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差別在剛剛委員所提到當初有授權的部分，那些很多相對審酌空間比較小的裁量案都不能處理，像一些進口器材，射頻器材、終端設備的進口，包括iPhone等等之類的…… |
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0.901 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:31.426000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:37.550000+08:00 |
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完全沒有委員的情況，連剛剛講的那些比較…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:38.090000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:39.091000+08:00 |
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to C、to民眾的部分大概都…… |
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0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:39.131000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:39.692000+08:00 |
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都沒辦法處理？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:40.872000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:41.373000+08:00 |
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對，就會痛了。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:41.793000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:45.316000+08:00 |
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所以你看，你有跟卓榮泰院長講這件事嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:46.837000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:48.158000+08:00 |
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有跟他講嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:48.158000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:49.158000+08:00 |
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有跟他的幕僚。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:48.158000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:55.263000+08:00 |
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他有沒有像我剛剛問你一樣，問過你說有3位委員跟沒有委員的差別，他有問過你這件事嗎？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:55.504000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:56.044000+08:00 |
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院長本人是沒有。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:56.164000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:57.425000+08:00 |
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沒有，你看，他不在乎啊！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:58.446000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:03.330000+08:00 |
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如果他在乎就會問了，不然無論怎麼樣，起碼提3個過來嘛！ |
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0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:04.570000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:04.951000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:04.951000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:15.159000+08:00 |
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你提了3個起碼可以維持現在運作，連3個都沒有，如果過3個或過1個是不是就跟都沒有不一樣？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:16.968000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:18.731000+08:00 |
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0跟0.1還是有差別。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:18.831000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:19.372000+08:00 |
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有差別嘛！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:19.733000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:20.274000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:20.414000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:27.367000+08:00 |
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他連1個都不提，提1個還是有差，也都不提，我覺得等一下回去之後，你是不是跟行政院講一下？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:29.402000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:40:40.427000+08:00 |
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現在院長感覺吊兒郎當的，但是7個有7個的運作方式，3個有3個的運作方式，但都沒有的話，連你剛剛講什麼無線射頻這些都沒有辦法處理了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:40.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:41.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
沒錯嘛！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:41.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:45.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以影響很大，是不是請他最起碼提一部分出來，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:45.630000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:48.591000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
你跟他講一下這個嚴重性啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:49.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:49.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
代理主委。好，我…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:49.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:50.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:50.452000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:52.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
等一下結束之後就跟他講一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:52.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:53.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
好，我盡可能。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:54.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:29.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
再問一下，因為在去年，NCC那時候有引發一個750之亂，針對一些二類的射頻器材都說要繳750元的規費，那是4月份發生的事，後來因為那個規定委員會說要求核備改成審查，所以就給它推翻了，可是按照NCC的規劃，其實去年4月的時候你們是想要停徵1年而已，換句話說停徵1年到現在1年已經過了，你們還有可能會做出這樣的事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:30.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:43.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
絕對不會，跟委員報告，其實因為大院這邊有做處理，所以原來我們修的部分已經失效了，等於說回到前一版，就是沒有修的情況。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:43.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:44.153000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以也不會再提啦！不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:44.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:48.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
因為我看你們去年是說停徵1年，感覺上好像1年後你們還想要再躍躍欲試。不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.781 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:50.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:52.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
所以現在就是完全都不會做這個事？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:52.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:53.936000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
對，回到前一版。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:54.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:57.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
OK，剛剛我跟你講的，記得要跟院長講喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:57.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:03.822000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
就是起碼要3個或2個、1個也好，不能1個都沒有，你要跟他講，這個很重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:04.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:04.582000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
有機會的話。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
葉委員元之 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:05.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:06.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
什麼有機會，你是閣員耶！謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
陳代理主任委員崇樹 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:07.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:08.452571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:08.752571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:13.038286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
謝謝葉元之委員的發言，謝謝陳主委。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:13.338286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:18.766857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
接下來請鍾佳濱委員發言，鍾佳濱，鍾佳濱不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:19.066857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:23.924000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
接下來請林倩綺委員，林倩綺，林倩綺不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:24.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:29.081143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
接下來請蘇清泉委員，蘇清泉，蘇清泉不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:29.381143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:33.381143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
請林楚茵委員，林楚茵，林楚茵不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:33.681143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:36.538286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
接下來請游顥委員發言。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |