| IVOD_ID |
168757 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168757 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T12:33:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T12:44:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1458642813954d83663812774c6aab6af5c95c54bff74e416ddd93173464eae515ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:33:59 - 12:44:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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主席謝謝,麻煩請拱部長請拱部長,謝謝 |
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好 部長好 部長本席針對能源的議題再跟您就教一下剛我從教育文化委員會過來 今天何安慧主委來那她在答詢其他委員的一個答 詢答的時候她答覆 她說她認為核電是有穩定電價的作用那媒體把她下標 剛即時新聞也出來 您認不認同這個講法 |
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但是它現在的比例大概只有即便是核二核三它重啟以後大概佔的比例大概是百分之十但是對整體的這個影響就是百分之十這個多元嘛我們一直強調是說能源其實是可以更多元不然台電現在也不用送重啟核三廠的計畫只要是多元安全的我們都所以核電是能夠穩定電價 |
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有助穩定電價至少我們不會說成本的部分影響譬如說剛剛很多委員都在關心其實這從228之後到現在兩個月左右時間所以為什麼 燃氣 燃煤石油的價格都往上甚至迫性高為什麼再生能源因為再生能源我們是本地的能源那核能當然也是如果將來重啟的話的確是有 |
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有助於就是因為國際的如果是能源價格波動的時候他比較不會受到影響好來那這樣子我想請教因為現在核電的部分持續他就在走這個程序那就是專業專業審查安全審查尤其核安很重要這個沒有辦法急 |
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另外一個部分就是說那我們比較短時看到的其實大家也都在講因為你也有這個要重啟其他藍莓電廠的一個計畫或可能性那我現在想請教到底我們有沒有這個我現在都是一個最 |
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嚴謹的態度來去預估料敵從寬中東戰事真的不知道什麼時候會結束那我們現在夏天馬上來到五月進入就是用電的高峰那有沒有後續如果說真的緊張的一些其他的備援計畫或是備用方案甚至韓國政府也已經講了就是有這個什麼民間公務車要減少啊等等的部分 |
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那我們到目前為止好像看起來還沒有只有卓院長一個月前講一句就說大家就是深入檢出啦意思就是說大家是精簡車輛使用 |
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但我比較想要具體的做法有沒有還是我們認為是說我們不管怎麼樣我們都可以撐得過因為報告委員我們還是要看就是說我們的這個備用狀況備存存存量狀況那因為我們現在的存量油的部分我們現在還是有140天雖然法定是90天所以都還符合那除非這個掉得很快我們就可能要思考 |
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一直維持 因為戰爭已經一個多月了它一直可以維持就表示我們一直進來掉得很快那這樣子本席就是問一些就比較數字層面因為我們相信制度不相信人不是說用人來判斷 而是說我們制度怎麼樣有沒有掌握假設我們到什麼時間點我們的備存量到什麼時間點我們可能就要研議plan B |
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因為這樣就是說因為我有問過中油嘛我有問過中油一樣的問題其實這都是同一個邏輯我現在講的是說當中油到哪個油價飆到哪個時間點的時候中油沒有辦法完全吸收因為到目前為止其實從2月開始油價已經全面上升甚至有破歷史的天價可是中油都還是吸收什麼時候時間點是中油譬如說破到一桶多少錢的時候中油可能也沒有辦法它確實要反映 |
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那這些有沒有在每一次我得到的答案都是每個禮拜院長會有這個會議啊所以滾動檢討啊但是部長您身為過去也擔任過秘書長您也是經濟部的這個主管其實更應該要內部有方案跟劇本 |
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報告委員我們現在從事實上時間上的規劃因為比如說天然氣的調度事實上油比較沒有問題是100多天嘛那天然氣的部分我們就是往下看三個月我們就要先調到那再往後一個月我們會再往下 |
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如果調不到的話或調得不夠的話那時候我們就要比較緊急的來做一些因應的處理那目前看起來是我們都還好都可以調得到而且說老實話全世界因應這個戰爭也都在適應了 |
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就是剛開始的時候 就大家也都是蝦子摸象蝦子過河 摸石過河剛開始大家不曉得怎麼樣去調度這件事情但是現在已經過了一個多月以後大家已經比較熟悉哪裡可以調得到比較清楚了 |
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有多產的部分他們也願意供應到這個市場現貨市場價格現貨市場出來了所以部長我還是提醒因為這個內部的資訊資料你們一定比國人跟委員都還來得清楚我一而再再三強調不是要找查而是我認為說政府應該要有預先劇本而不是發生狀況才來做所以為什麼我們固定的每一個禮拜都會對外說明 |
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我們現在的存量狀況怎麼樣好那最後兩點啊因為現在剛也有劉建國委員關心這個藍媒的部分本席的選區也有林口火力發電廠它是藍媒發電那其實它影響的不只是台北市260萬人新北市4來萬人桃園200多萬人 |
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因為它這整個大台北地區都有空氣的影響過去本席曾在王美花部長的任內的時候我有提一個臨時提案我也接受到王美花部長的一個承諾就是因為當時藍莓持續飆高所以有一年突破到704萬 |
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一年那我那時候就有講是說我們未來是以這為標準不能超過那到目前為止今年我們有沒有 目前的規劃不會都不會嗎 就是還是要信守這個承諾因為我們過去提出來就是那個是一個高標 |
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那你如果說政府一直告訴我們說非核家園再生能源等等的那燃煤相對來講是比燃氣造成的空汙都還要嚴峻也因此林口火力發電廠都還維持這樣的一個標準林口的那是超燒臨界是在煤裡面是最好的是 但它還是燃煤如果說你要再炒說像以前賴清德院長講的什麼乾淨的煤的話我想一般的國人聽不進去好不好那一分鐘的時間也是一樣因為再生能源我們現在有在講 |
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那本席另外選區另外一個部分是合一廠合一廠現在沒有重啟的計畫但本席之前就有提過合一廠的優勢在於是它相對來講還是比較北海岸地區人煙相對稀少還有它過去的電網都已經不好了也因此在那邊應該有再生能源的 |
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發展可能性如果假設我們合一廠能夠轉變為譬如說像您這邊有提到的生殖能、氫能等等的發電那未來它的電網的配置就會比較容易來供應那我過去也提出是不是針對合一廠那邊因為北海岸也有一些地熱也有一些洋流的優勢 |
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那我們目前是不是可以要求我們來研究看看因為這個有牽涉到技術面的當然當地居民還有溝通的問題但是如果說以我們現在講嘛是再生能源來講總是它的溝通成本相對比較少而且我想說因為佈置成本已經完成了嘛對 |
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過去合一廠那邊的電網都已經佈置完嘛所以現在合一廠如果說那個地方可以轉變成再生能源的發電不管是用洋流能 地熱能 氫能它都會對於我們有實質的幫助嘛好 這個我們來研究那部長什麼時候 總是研究要給我一個時間各位報告喔 那個合一廠現在最重要的工作是在做廚藝工作 |
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我們先把我們會把廚藝的工作做到一個階段廚藝工作這個是兩部都可以進行嗎可以跟委員報告我這樣子講因為牽涉到還有規模的問題因為其實合一廠是面積最小的一個廠然後我現在還要做室內乾除做了以後的空間他能不能做什麼事北海那部分如果有地熱潛力的部分我們會做地熱不然的話可能就是要做風力以這兩個來看我們會來做一些相關的規劃是啊 很好啊所以這個完全不衝突啊董事長 |
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一方面是廚藝你持續照廚藝的腳步走但另外一方面你其他的部分你開始就可以去譬如說請專家學者來做地熱的了解那邊到底有沒有豐富的資源風力到底有沒有可行那未來以及我今天不是說今天講完明天就讓你去做我是講是說未來如果廚藝完成然後還有相對的發電的時候我們那邊要有多少的風機還是我們要用怎麼樣的地熱這種事現在就可以啟動規劃吧 |
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來研究看看好 所以什麼時間點還是一樣要給我個時間表嗎我才能夠繼續追蹤三個月內本席等你三個月 好不好但是其實也請容許本席提醒部長 |
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這個質詢之前我就已經提過台電應該也已經聽過本席這樣講這個其實是台電的資源其實是經濟部的資源不要把資源放著不用所以我願意再等你三個月但我希望這三個月真的是有投入專家學者去研究了解到底那裡適合做什麼樣的再生能源然後提出具體可行的方案而不是再來 |
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再研議 或是說再來雙手一談說我們現在在做廚藝我想這樣的一個態度就不是一個積極的態度 好不好感謝 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:11.568000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:11.889000+08:00 |
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好，主席，謝謝。 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:11.889000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:12.169000+08:00 |
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麻煩請龔部長。 |
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0.833 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:12.169000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:12.189000+08:00 |
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請龔部長，謝謝。 |
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0.833 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:12.189000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:20.674000+08:00 |
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洪委員好。 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:20.674000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:20.794000+08:00 |
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部長好。 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:21.154000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:24.437000+08:00 |
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部長，本席針對能源的議題再跟您就教一下。是。 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:25.077000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:42.231000+08:00 |
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剛剛我從教育及文化委員會過來，今天是核安會主委來，他在答復其他委員的質詢時說他認為核電是有穩定電價的作用，媒體用他的話下標，剛剛即時新聞也出來了，您認不認同這個講法？ |
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0.805 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:44.507000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:51.510000+08:00 |
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但是核電現在的比例，即便是核二、核三重啟以後，占的比例大概是10%。是。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:53.391000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:56.973000+08:00 |
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但是對整體的影響就是10%。 |
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0.909 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:34:56.973000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:00.214000+08:00 |
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您認不認同？ |
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0 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:00.214000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:07.518000+08:00 |
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我們一直強調的是說能源其實是可以更多元嘛，不然台電現在也不用送重啟核三廠的計畫。 |
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0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:07.518000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:09.359000+08:00 |
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只要是多元、安全的，我們都…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-22T12:35:10.139000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:11.560000+08:00 |
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所以核電是能夠穩定電價？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:13.400000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:14.681000+08:00 |
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有助穩定電價？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:14.681000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:24.046000+08:00 |
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至少我們不會說成本的部分影響，譬如說，剛剛很多委員都在關心嘛，從228之後到現在，兩個月左右的時間了。 |
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0.93 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:24.046000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:25.126000+08:00 |
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是，所以為什麼…… |
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0.833 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:25.126000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:30.229000+08:00 |
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燃氣、燃煤、石油的價格都往上，甚至破新高啊。 |
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0.833 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:30.989000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:45.759000+08:00 |
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這就是為什麼我們重視再生能源，因為再生能源是本地的能源嘛，那核能當然也是啦，如果將來重啟的話，的確是有助於穩定電價，就是因為在國際的能源價格波動的時候，它比較不會受到影響。好。 |
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0.812 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:46.739000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:57.028000+08:00 |
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來，那這樣子我想請教，因為現在重啟核電的部分持續在走程序，就是專業審查、安全審查，尤其核安很重要，這個沒有辦法急。 |
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0.96 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:35:58.429000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:31.501000+08:00 |
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另外一個部分就是說，那我們比較短時看到的，其實大家也都在講，因為你也有重啟其他燃媒電廠的計畫或可能性，那我現在想請教到底有沒有，我現在都是以最嚴謹的態度來去預估，料敵從寬，中東戰事真的不知道什麼時候會結束，那現在夏天馬上來到，5月進入用電的高峰，後續如果說真的用電緊張，有沒有一些其他的備援計畫或備用方案？ |
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0.943 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:32.001000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:53.439000+08:00 |
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甚至韓國政府也已經講了，有民間公務車要減少等等應變措施，那我們到目前為止好像看起來還沒有，只有卓院長在1個月前講一句，就是說大家要深居簡出，意思就是說大家要精簡車輛使用，但是我比較想要知道具體的做法，有沒有？ |
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0.863 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:53.659000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:57.461000+08:00 |
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還是我們認為不管怎麼樣，我們都可以撐得過，來，部長。 |
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0.864 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:36:57.741000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:10.907000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們還是要看我們的備用狀況、存量狀況，關於油的部分，我們現在的存量還是有140天，雖然法定存量是90天。 |
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0.848 |
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洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:10.907000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:11.907000+08:00 |
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這個都有講啦。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:10.927000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:22.093000+08:00 |
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對，所以都還符合，除非這個掉得很快，我們就可能要思考，因為戰爭已經一個多月了，存量一直可以維持，就表示我們一直進來…… |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:22.093000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:38.825000+08:00 |
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你說除非掉得很快，那本席就問一些比較數字層面的問題，因為我們相信制度，不相信人，不是說用人來判斷，而是說我們的制度怎麼樣，有沒有掌握假設我們到什麼時間點，我們的備存量到什麼時間點，我們可能就要研議Plan B？ |
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0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-22T12:37:42.200000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:47.822000+08:00 |
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因為我有問過中油嘛，我也問過中油一樣的問題，其實這都是同一個邏輯。 |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:47.822000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:37:53.684000+08:00 |
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我現在問的是當中油油價飆到哪個時間點的時候，中油沒有辦法完全吸收？ |
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0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-22T12:37:54.204000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:09.250000+08:00 |
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因為到目前為止，其實從2月開始油價已經全面上升，甚至有破歷史的天價，可是中油都還是吸收，在什麼時間點，譬如說，中油油價破到一桶多少錢的時候，中油可能也沒有辦法吸收，要確實反映油價？ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:11.451000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:17.816000+08:00 |
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每一次我得到的答案都是：每個禮拜院長會有會議，滾動檢討。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:18.537000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:28.105000+08:00 |
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但是，部長，您過去也擔任過秘書長，您也是經濟部的主管，其實更應該內部有方案跟劇本。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:28.765000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:47.465000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們現在從事實上、時間上來規劃，比如說，以天然氣的調度來說，事實上油比較沒有問題，有一百多天的存量，那天然氣的部分，我們就是往下看3個月，我們就要先調到，那再往後1個月，我們會再往下，如果調不到或調得不夠…… |
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0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:47.465000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:48.465000+08:00 |
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臨時有狀況。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-04-22T12:38:47.886000+08:00 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:02.498000+08:00 |
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那時候我們就要比較緊急的來做一些因應的處理，目前看起來是都還好，我們都可以調得到，說老實話，全世界因應這個戰爭，也都在適應，就是剛開始…… |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
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2026-04-22T12:39:02.618000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-22T12:39:05.161000+08:00 |
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就是大家也都是瞎子摸著石頭過河，是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-22T12:39:06.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-22T12:39:22.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
剛開始大家不曉得怎麼樣去調度這件事情，但是現在已經過了一個多月，大家也比較熟悉哪裡可以調得到，比較清楚了，有多產的部分，他們也願意供應到現貨市場。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-22T12:39:25.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-22T12:39:39.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
部長，我還是提醒，因為這個內部的資訊、資料，你們一定比國人跟委員都還來得清楚，我一而再、再而三強調，不是要找碴，而是我認為政府應該要預先有劇本，而不是等發生狀況才來做。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-22T12:39:40.294000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-22T12:39:45.378000+08:00 |
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我知道，所以為什麼我們固定地在每一個禮拜都會對外說明我們現在的存量狀況。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-22T12:39:45.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:06.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
好，那最後兩點，因為現在剛剛也有劉建國委員關心燃煤的部分，本席的選區也有林口火力發電廠，它是燃煤發電，那其實它影響的不只是臺北市260萬人、新北市400萬人、桃園兩百多萬人，因為整個大臺北地區的空氣都受到影響。 |
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0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:06.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:28.193000+08:00 |
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過去本席曾在王美花部長任內的時候提一個臨時提案，我也得到王美花部長的一個承諾，就是因為當時燃煤持續飆高，有一年突破到704萬噸，我那時候就有講，我們未來是以這個為標準，不能超過，到目前為止，今年我們有沒有…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:28.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:29.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
目前的規劃不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:29.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:31.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
都不會嘛？不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:31.014000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:49.426000+08:00 |
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就是還是要信守這一個承諾，因為我們過去提出來，就是那是一個高標，如果說政府一直告訴我們說非核家園、再生能源等等的，那燃煤相對來講，是比燃氣造成的空污都還要嚴峻，也因此林口火力發電廠都還維持這樣的一個標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:49.606000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:52.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
林口火力發電廠是超超臨界，在煤裡面是最好的。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:52.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-22T12:40:53.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
是，但它還是燃煤。對。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-22T12:40:53.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:00.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
如果你還要再吵說像以前賴清德院長講的什麼乾淨的煤的話，我想一般的國人聽不進去，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:01.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:02.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
一分鐘的時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:03.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:11.360000+08:00 |
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再生能源我們現在有在講，本席另外一個選區、另外一個部分是核一廠，核一廠現在沒有重啟的計畫……沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:11.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:28.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
但本席之前就有提過，核一廠的優勢在於它相對來講還是比較在北海岸地區，人煙相對稀少；還有它過去的電網都已經布好了，也因此在那邊應該有再生能源的發展可能性。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:28.887000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:39.637000+08:00 |
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如果我們核一廠能夠轉變為像您這邊有提到的生質能、氫能等等的發電，那未來它的電網的配置就會比較容易來供應。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.959 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:39.997000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:50.406000+08:00 |
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我過去也提出，是不是針對核一廠的部分，因為北海岸也有一些地熱，也有一些洋流的優勢，那我們目前是不是可以要求…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:50.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:56.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
好，我們來研究看看，因為這個有牽涉到技術面還有跟當地居民溝通的問題，這兩個部分……當然！ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:56.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:58.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
但是如果以我們現在講…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:58.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-22T12:41:59.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
對，我們先研究。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-22T12:41:59.112000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:02.454000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
以再生能源來講，總是它的溝通成本相對比較少。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:03.075000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:20.370000+08:00 |
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而且因為布置成本已經完成了，過去核一廠那邊的電網都已經布置完，所以現在如果核一廠可以轉變成再生能源的發電，不管是用洋流能、地熱能、氫能，它都會對於我們有實質的幫助嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:21.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:22.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
好，這個我們來研究。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:22.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:23.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
部長，什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:23.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:24.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
總是要給我一個時間。多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:26.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:35.045000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，核一廠現在最重要的工作是在做除役工作，我們會把除役的工作做到一個階段…… |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:35.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:36.826000+08:00 |
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除役工作跟這個是兩方面都可以進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.688 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:37.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:47.353000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，這個還牽涉到規模的問題，因為其實核一廠是面積最小的一個廠，而且我現在還要做室內乾貯，做了以後的空間，要看它能不能做什麼事。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:48.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:52.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
北海岸的部分，如果有地熱潛力的，我們會做地熱；不然的話，可能就是要做風力。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:52.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:53.398000+08:00 |
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以這兩個來看，我們會做一些相關的規劃。是！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:53.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:53.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
很好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:53.638000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-22T12:42:53.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
所以這個完全不衝突啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-22T12:42:53.978000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:17.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
董事長，一方面是除役，你持續照除役的腳步走；但另外一方面，其他的部分你就可以開始去做，譬如說請專家學者來做地熱的了解，包括那邊到底有沒有豐富的資源、風力到底有沒有可行性，我不是說今天講完，明天就要你去做！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:18.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:29.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
我是講說，未來如果除役完成，然後還有相對的發電的時候，我們那邊要有多少的風機，還是我們要用怎麼樣的地熱，這總是現在就可以啟動規劃吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:31.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:32.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
好，我們來研究看看。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:32.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:35.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
好，所以什麼時間點？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:35.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:36.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
還是一樣要給我一個時間表嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:36.917000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:38.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我才能夠繼續追蹤。3個月。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:38.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:39.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
3個月內？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:39.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:41.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
本席等你3個月，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:41.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:52.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
但是其實也請容許本席提醒部長，這個質詢之前我就已經提過，台電應該也已經聽過本席這樣講。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.975 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:52.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-22T12:43:57.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
這個其實是台電的資源，也是經濟部的資源，不要把資源放著不用。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-22T12:43:57.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-22T12:44:15.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
所以我願意再等你3個月，但我希望這3個月真的是有投入專家學者去研究、了解到底那裡適合做什麼樣的再生能源，然後提出具體可行的方案，而不是只說要再研議，或是再雙手一攤說：「我們現在在做除役」。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
洪委員孟楷 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-22T12:44:16.824000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-22T12:44:21.327000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我想，這樣的態度就不是一個積極的態度，好不好？好。感謝！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-22T12:44:21.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-22T12:44:24.112714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
好，謝謝洪孟楷委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-22T12:44:24.412714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-22T12:44:28.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
蘇清泉、蘇清泉、蘇清泉委員不在。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-22T12:44:28.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-22T12:44:32.141286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
接下來我們請伍麗華委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |