| IVOD_ID |
168757 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168757 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T12:33:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T12:44:22+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1458642813954d83663812774c6aab6af5c95c54bff74e416ddd93173464eae515ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:33:59 - 12:44:22 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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主席謝謝,麻煩請拱部長請拱部長,謝謝 |
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好 部長好 部長本席針對能源的議題再跟您就教一下剛我從教育文化委員會過來 今天何安慧主委來那她在答詢其他委員的一個答 詢答的時候她答覆 她說她認為核電是有穩定電價的作用那媒體把她下標 剛即時新聞也出來 您認不認同這個講法 |
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但是它現在的比例大概只有即便是核二核三它重啟以後大概佔的比例大概是百分之十但是對整體的這個影響就是百分之十這個多元嘛我們一直強調是說能源其實是可以更多元不然台電現在也不用送重啟核三廠的計畫只要是多元安全的我們都所以核電是能夠穩定電價 |
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有助穩定電價至少我們不會說成本的部分影響譬如說剛剛很多委員都在關心其實這從228之後到現在兩個月左右時間所以為什麼 燃氣 燃煤石油的價格都往上甚至迫性高為什麼再生能源因為再生能源我們是本地的能源那核能當然也是如果將來重啟的話的確是有 |
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有助於就是因為國際的如果是能源價格波動的時候他比較不會受到影響好來那這樣子我想請教因為現在核電的部分持續他就在走這個程序那就是專業專業審查安全審查尤其核安很重要這個沒有辦法急 |
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另外一個部分就是說那我們比較短時看到的其實大家也都在講因為你也有這個要重啟其他藍莓電廠的一個計畫或可能性那我現在想請教到底我們有沒有這個我現在都是一個最 |
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嚴謹的態度來去預估料敵從寬中東戰事真的不知道什麼時候會結束那我們現在夏天馬上來到五月進入就是用電的高峰那有沒有後續如果說真的緊張的一些其他的備援計畫或是備用方案甚至韓國政府也已經講了就是有這個什麼民間公務車要減少啊等等的部分 |
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那我們到目前為止好像看起來還沒有只有卓院長一個月前講一句就說大家就是深入檢出啦意思就是說大家是精簡車輛使用 |
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但我比較想要具體的做法有沒有還是我們認為是說我們不管怎麼樣我們都可以撐得過因為報告委員我們還是要看就是說我們的這個備用狀況備存存存量狀況那因為我們現在的存量油的部分我們現在還是有140天雖然法定是90天所以都還符合那除非這個掉得很快我們就可能要思考 |
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一直維持 因為戰爭已經一個多月了它一直可以維持就表示我們一直進來掉得很快那這樣子本席就是問一些就比較數字層面因為我們相信制度不相信人不是說用人來判斷 而是說我們制度怎麼樣有沒有掌握假設我們到什麼時間點我們的備存量到什麼時間點我們可能就要研議plan B |
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因為這樣就是說因為我有問過中油嘛我有問過中油一樣的問題其實這都是同一個邏輯我現在講的是說當中油到哪個油價飆到哪個時間點的時候中油沒有辦法完全吸收因為到目前為止其實從2月開始油價已經全面上升甚至有破歷史的天價可是中油都還是吸收什麼時候時間點是中油譬如說破到一桶多少錢的時候中油可能也沒有辦法它確實要反映 |
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那這些有沒有在每一次我得到的答案都是每個禮拜院長會有這個會議啊所以滾動檢討啊但是部長您身為過去也擔任過秘書長您也是經濟部的這個主管其實更應該要內部有方案跟劇本 |
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報告委員我們現在從事實上時間上的規劃因為比如說天然氣的調度事實上油比較沒有問題是100多天嘛那天然氣的部分我們就是往下看三個月我們就要先調到那再往後一個月我們會再往下 |
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如果調不到的話或調得不夠的話那時候我們就要比較緊急的來做一些因應的處理那目前看起來是我們都還好都可以調得到而且說老實話全世界因應這個戰爭也都在適應了 |
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就是剛開始的時候 就大家也都是蝦子摸象蝦子過河 摸石過河剛開始大家不曉得怎麼樣去調度這件事情但是現在已經過了一個多月以後大家已經比較熟悉哪裡可以調得到比較清楚了 |
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有多產的部分他們也願意供應到這個市場現貨市場價格現貨市場出來了所以部長我還是提醒因為這個內部的資訊資料你們一定比國人跟委員都還來得清楚我一而再再三強調不是要找查而是我認為說政府應該要有預先劇本而不是發生狀況才來做所以為什麼我們固定的每一個禮拜都會對外說明 |
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我們現在的存量狀況怎麼樣好那最後兩點啊因為現在剛也有劉建國委員關心這個藍媒的部分本席的選區也有林口火力發電廠它是藍媒發電那其實它影響的不只是台北市260萬人新北市4來萬人桃園200多萬人 |
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因為它這整個大台北地區都有空氣的影響過去本席曾在王美花部長的任內的時候我有提一個臨時提案我也接受到王美花部長的一個承諾就是因為當時藍莓持續飆高所以有一年突破到704萬 |
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一年那我那時候就有講是說我們未來是以這為標準不能超過那到目前為止今年我們有沒有 目前的規劃不會都不會嗎 就是還是要信守這個承諾因為我們過去提出來就是那個是一個高標 |
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那你如果說政府一直告訴我們說非核家園再生能源等等的那燃煤相對來講是比燃氣造成的空汙都還要嚴峻也因此林口火力發電廠都還維持這樣的一個標準林口的那是超燒臨界是在煤裡面是最好的是 但它還是燃煤如果說你要再炒說像以前賴清德院長講的什麼乾淨的煤的話我想一般的國人聽不進去好不好那一分鐘的時間也是一樣因為再生能源我們現在有在講 |
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那本席另外選區另外一個部分是合一廠合一廠現在沒有重啟的計畫但本席之前就有提過合一廠的優勢在於是它相對來講還是比較北海岸地區人煙相對稀少還有它過去的電網都已經不好了也因此在那邊應該有再生能源的 |
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發展可能性如果假設我們合一廠能夠轉變為譬如說像您這邊有提到的生殖能、氫能等等的發電那未來它的電網的配置就會比較容易來供應那我過去也提出是不是針對合一廠那邊因為北海岸也有一些地熱也有一些洋流的優勢 |
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那我們目前是不是可以要求我們來研究看看因為這個有牽涉到技術面的當然當地居民還有溝通的問題但是如果說以我們現在講嘛是再生能源來講總是它的溝通成本相對比較少而且我想說因為佈置成本已經完成了嘛對 |
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過去合一廠那邊的電網都已經佈置完嘛所以現在合一廠如果說那個地方可以轉變成再生能源的發電不管是用洋流能 地熱能 氫能它都會對於我們有實質的幫助嘛好 這個我們來研究那部長什麼時候 總是研究要給我一個時間各位報告喔 那個合一廠現在最重要的工作是在做廚藝工作 |
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我們先把我們會把廚藝的工作做到一個階段廚藝工作這個是兩部都可以進行嗎可以跟委員報告我這樣子講因為牽涉到還有規模的問題因為其實合一廠是面積最小的一個廠然後我現在還要做室內乾除做了以後的空間他能不能做什麼事北海那部分如果有地熱潛力的部分我們會做地熱不然的話可能就是要做風力以這兩個來看我們會來做一些相關的規劃是啊 很好啊所以這個完全不衝突啊董事長 |
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一方面是廚藝你持續照廚藝的腳步走但另外一方面你其他的部分你開始就可以去譬如說請專家學者來做地熱的了解那邊到底有沒有豐富的資源風力到底有沒有可行那未來以及我今天不是說今天講完明天就讓你去做我是講是說未來如果廚藝完成然後還有相對的發電的時候我們那邊要有多少的風機還是我們要用怎麼樣的地熱這種事現在就可以啟動規劃吧 |
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572.733 |
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585.582 |
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來研究看看好 所以什麼時間點還是一樣要給我個時間表嗎我才能夠繼續追蹤三個月內本席等你三個月 好不好但是其實也請容許本席提醒部長 |
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587.605 |
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612.439 |
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這個質詢之前我就已經提過台電應該也已經聽過本席這樣講這個其實是台電的資源其實是經濟部的資源不要把資源放著不用所以我願意再等你三個月但我希望這三個月真的是有投入專家學者去研究了解到底那裡適合做什麼樣的再生能源然後提出具體可行的方案而不是再來 |
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613.82 |
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622.327 |
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再研議 或是說再來雙手一談說我們現在在做廚藝我想這樣的一個態度就不是一個積極的態度 好不好感謝 |