| IVOD_ID |
168745 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168745 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T11:55:39+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T12:13:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1c02079951e52092763685f3e6e8cff855c95c54bff74e4160c047472bec184315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:55:39 - 12:13:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席就「我國海域放射性物質監測執行現況及未來因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、審查（一）委員萬美玲等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。（二）委員葉元之等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。（三）委員羅廷瑋等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。【僅進行詢答；第(三)案，如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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下一位諮詢委員羅廷惟委員好謝謝主席有請朱薇好請何安慧朱薇謝謝 |
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好主委辛苦了謝謝主委先跟你確認一下上次您有跟我答應我們可以爭取科普展在我們台中可以嗎可以下半年 |
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可以大概什麼時候可不可以跟大家分享12月12月12月左右我想這是對中部地區長期推動科學教育的一個一大鼓勵這邊我也想建議國科會跟台中市政府在地的這個研究單位密切能夠合作 |
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甚至有需要我們協調的例如結合捷運站的導覽、科博館的主題展區等等適合把它設計到整個國小到高中不同年齡層的一個路線跟活動讓親子、學生以及一般市民都能夠找到自己適合的一個參與方式如果有需要協助的話本席也願意全力來幫忙這個部分是不是大家一起來努力?是的好 |
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那今天排審這個原子能這個修正案報告裡面提到呢我們想這個一行政院啊功能業務及組織調整的一個條例第三條只要行政院完成公告 |
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主改整個機關的管轄權就已經完備也就是說整個行政程序上行政院原子能委員會改制為核能安全委員會這件事情其實已經生效運作立法院只是將這個相關的條文中的一個名稱一併修正為核能安全委員會但是我想比較能夠跟你請教的 |
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原子能我們這一次的核能安全委員會核安會的報告中我們希望將原子能委員會改成核能安全委員會上面寫競表尊重想請教主委這句競表尊重的意思是什麼對核安會來說是不是沒關係 |
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維持條文原本的原子能委員會對核安會來說是不是也覺得都可以可不可以展現一下立場現在核安會對機制的運作方面並沒有什麼困難對啊沒有什麼困難所以可有可無是嗎您覺得 |
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實際的運作不會有困難 我們都知道但是呢 現在法規我們要幫你修正嘛你的立場是什麼 可有可無 還是支持我們原來是配合行政院的主改規劃對嘛 主改規劃已經幫你改名了嘛但是法規上還沒有跟進嘛 |
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涉及行政院的這個組織法等等我想主委我在問你到底是可有可無還是競表支持啊這部分您覺得呢當然感謝委員關心主委您的回應真的是非常的好不愧是我的學長立法院的回應都非常的四平八穩 |
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但是我想我們都還是希望今天不會無緣無故幫你修法一定是有其必要性那另外我想請教一下人事行政總署在人總今天的報告中提及 河岸會業務性性質偏重於專業導向的一個監督機制與相當二級機關 |
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通常會公平會中選會偏重於廣納社會多元的價值有別所以以維持現行組織層級的運作請問任總你自己也講核安會的業務性質偏重於專業導向的監督機制現在核能在全世界都那麼重要加上核電又要重啟那麼重要的一個單位難道任總反對核安會回到原來的行政院二級機關嗎是這樣嗎 |
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報告趙偉原則上我們是因應他在1、2年的時候進行促改所以他在從原子能輪會改變成核安會的當下其實有進行一些組織上的調整那當時候的原額其實也都是照現行的規模處理和給所以在相關的人力規模上其實並沒有去做其他的刪減 |
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那另外一個部分是因為我們是在看說他的那個組織性的部分是因為他現在都是跟過去原子能委員會的職能上有做一些變化所以他現在是完全是一個監管的單位所以他的職能上維持在監管的層級上 |
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改變成為獨立機關的性質那維持三級總歸原來就是你今天報告都有寫嘛你覺得就是維持現行嘛那所以你反對回到原來的二級機關是吧我們是建議還是維持啦我想如果二級單位員額滿的話我倒是建議人總可以降為三級啊三級機關也可以做公務人員的人力管理啦應該也沒什麼影響 |
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但我基本上我還是希望每個單位的立場說明白沒關係我們都尊重但我們的立場就是希望既然核能重啟既然核能的安全我們要予以重視能夠幫你列為二級機關是希望說在這個業務上的跨局處跨部會的一個協調能夠更為順暢 |
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阿當然你也說啦37萬你也順暢啦我尊重你的說法啦好那但是我們還是希望我們的立場各自說清楚好主委今天就繼續我們河岸會的赴日實地觀察第六次的報告來請教主委請問主委上次我在業務中有提到 |
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在日本土壤的採集問題啊你們說因為日本土壤都有專屬的儲存設施進行管制那今天就繼續這個問題來跟你請教首先我有收到何安會給我的回覆請問國際原子能總署於2025年2月視察寒川廢水排放的作業時也有對於土壤的儲存設施進行視察 |
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但並無提出土壤取樣的評估作業請問主委國際原子能總署對土壤沒有要求我們就不需要主動規劃土壤監測跟取樣嗎人家沒有做我們也不要做這樣的風險評估你不覺得很被動嗎報告委員我們現在政府的規定國外的土壤是不允許進口的 |
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就詳細我們再請張主任再做詳細報告報告委員因為目前那個日本是還沒有正式釋出這個土壤的一個在地用所以我們去看的時候應該是先掌握他們的初步的一個規劃跟想法那我相信IAEA也國際專家也是這樣的一個想法所以 |
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究竟之後真的他們去做土壤的一個一個外試使用到底他使用的面向是在哪裡對國人有沒有一些健康的一個風險我相信這邊都應該我們都荷蘭會都還是未來持續的一個掌握然後來評估 |
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那以現在目前的一個階段而言因為他那個土壤是在管制的一個儲存設施所以在跟委員報告以目前為止我們大概是不會有一個取樣的這一些規劃 |
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為什麼我會對土壤這麼有興趣我們來探討一下我先請問既然土壤設有這一個日本的土壤儲存設施進一步請教河岸會在復日是否會有實地了解這些儲存設施對地下水是否造成影響是否滲漏擴散長期污染的一個風險評估 |
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也包括委員那因為這些土壤他們放到這個中期儲存其實在我們的國際就是我們的一個審查我們都是用國際的一個IEA的審查它還是屬於放射性的一個污染物 |
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所以在国际的规范里头第一个当然要有完善的处理就我们知道日本的土它下面会有一些隔水的一个然后最下面会有黏土那中间旁边其实它这些雨水下落其实它有回收的机制所以它就是有一个储存设施去做隔离我知道可是进一步我们要来谈的就是 |
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日本目前政策是將低輻射受污染的土壤再利用在道路在防潮堤海岸防災林填海公共工程喔我要請問主委這些再利用土壤是否可能會影響鄰近的栽培食用農作物的土壤這是我們關心的啊 |
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我知道嘛高污染的一定會做一個隔離嘛但低輻射污染我們也要監測啊我的態度很清楚有人說啊中國的核廢水排放我一樣要監測啊 |
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只要任何影響到國人的飲食健康影響到我們未來甚至是孩童的飲食我一律都反對我一律都要求一定要嚴格審查所以剛剛我講的很清楚嘛為什麼我們關心土壤你說高汙染的他有儲存設施低汙染的他拿出來利用啦填海等公共工程我們是不是應該多關心一下這個議題不是只有寒川廢水 |
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那有委員提到中國核廢水也要關心啊 我支持那現在我講的 低污染的這一個土壤來做公共工程了 主委它也有可能影響啊 我們是不是要關心是 我們一直在關心 只是他們土壤目前還沒有外施對不起 您剛剛講什麼 再講一次一直在關心下一句是什麼還沒有釋放出來 |
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還沒有釋放出來對 他只是試點 有一些試點你說他的這個公共工程有幾個示範點是嗎在研究之中 還沒有正式釋放對嘛 他有打算這樣做嘛對吧他有這個 往這方面想有想我們就要來開始關心了啊對不對我們也有依舊關心預防勝於治療啊 |
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你不能等他做了你才要來關心啊對不對我們要看到更超前超前部署嘛好不好 |
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謝謝委員所以進一步了解地下水具有流動性是否存在地下水的傳輸輻射物質的二次擴散相關的風險有沒有充分的被我們給關注到去做評估嗎我想植物生長仰賴水土壤空氣三個基本的要素但根據食藥署公佈的資料日本五縣地區的食品監測和格率 |
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從2021年的99.7到2023年99.5到2024年的前5個月99.1坦白講是呈現下降的趨勢請問主委這樣的變化是否可能跟環境中水土壤空氣的污染變化存在著關聯呢我們有沒有進一步的分析其因果的關係 |
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那報告委員那因為那個衛福部其實是福島100年事故開始其實就都在做這個的一個邊境的一個查驗所以他的一個污染的一個來源是因為事故當下其實造成的一個污染的一個土壤所造成的所以也就像委員講的這個是長期的那 |
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衛福部都有在這塊關心那剛剛講的這些污染在這十年中其實污染的土壤已經都被日本政府一一的收到剛剛我們講的那個中期儲存所以整體來講未來的這個土壤 |
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他的一個一個在利用的一個使用其實都會在安全的標準而且現在日本也還沒有去做這一方面的一個推動所以在這一邊那個衛福部的邊境查驗也相信他們的一個合格這個都是會合格的對民眾的安全這都是我們很關心的啦那再來 |
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報告也提及日本對低輻射污染土壤採取再利用的政策像我剛剛講的防潮堤防災林 填土我想這個部分我們都希望填海等公共設施是整個將作為整個填土或沖田的一個材料對於超過安全標準屬於高污染的一個土壤日本是如何處理長期的一個儲存最終的處置還有它的去化的機制它的標準 |
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管理的措施為何我們都很關心也希望後面能夠提供這部分你們能夠關注然後提供這個資料給我們那報告第12頁也指出啊日本採取的是核燃料循環的政策也就是透過在處理用過的核子燃料中的可裂變物質啊達到在利用的一個核燃料資源 |
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減少高放射性的廢棄物體積確保核能長期可以持續的利用以及能源的一個安全目標請問核安會如何評估核燃料循環的一個政策在台灣的可行性目前核安會整體評估結論為何有沒有什麼規劃 |
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目前還在研究之中國研院也有做這方面的研究有研究確定是有研究有研究就好但是我們希望降低高放射線的我們希望後續能夠拿到一些相關資料可以提供嗎可以 |
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這個部分我們希望台灣應該做得比日本更嚴謹因為乾式儲存的一個設施日本是使用金屬互相台灣是使用混凝土的一個互相系統所以在報告的第23頁提及日本對於台灣混凝土 |
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這個所謂的互相系統安全監測以及因應他的腐蝕防範的議題被感興趣這代表台灣在乾式儲存的一個互相設計跟長期的一個監測規劃上某些做法已經走在日本的前面而日方也說要向台灣來取經這代表一件事情台灣不是做不到高標準和安跟和廢的一個管理 |
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所以核安會更有責任把這些專業的成果風險的評估以及未來的用過的核燃料管理的一個整體路徑清楚的跟社會大眾說明最後我有一個議題我今天就提但不讓你回答了因為時間有限我想牙醫師全聯會在3月9日有拜會核安會討論兩個議題 |
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分別是移動式的牙科X光機牙科的科間X光機必須設置在獨立的X光室 |
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1021.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
我想這個議題主委我希望能夠重視我們也很重視牙醫全聯會他們的一個訴求很多偏鄉沒有牙醫今天朝偉他們也是在偏鄉在努力我想比如台東縣東和鄉就是其中一個無牙醫的一個鄉鎮所以就只能藉由行動牙科的方式去偏鄉看診然而卻面臨沒有攜帶式X光劑無法做牙根管 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1022.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1050.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
以及拔牙等進一步的治療這些都是現階段遇到的問題偏鄉行動的牙科高齡患者所面臨到的一個現行規範的一個障礙河岸會是否承諾已經造成實際的醫療不平等河岸會的風險評估有沒有辦法把醫療可靜性不足的本身作為一個公共健康風險納入考量就這兩個議題有沒有收集國際的指引更務實的做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1052.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1056.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
這個會後麻煩你給我資料我希望你要正視這個問題 |