| IVOD_ID |
168742 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168742 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T11:57:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T12:04:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f107884d1c6f809dd7a31e0b39ac3e37f85c95c54bff74e41685b58d3d4fa10b1e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:57:48 - 12:04:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。（僅詢答）
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金－作業基金：（僅詢答）
（一）國軍退除役官兵安置基金。
（二）榮民醫療作業基金。
（4月22日及23日二天一次會）） |
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主席好 馬上請找那個主委好 我們請主委葉委員好主委好 我想陳錫剛那個委員問的有關於就是我們榮民的就業問題因為其實說真的我們有一些不管是軍官也好士兵也好他們退伍是因為法定年紀到了他退 但他還非常的年輕 |
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你如果讓他們在家裡沒有事做其實對我們社會也是一個損失我覺得有很多剛退下來的那些軍官士官他可以做的事情非常多但是他現在就受一個限制你知道是什麼嗎你們知道是什麼嗎 |
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他們受到的限制就是只要他去應徵就是有公家資源所挹注的公司或機關或單位的話他只能夠領最低薪資不然否則的話他就必須要放棄他的終身縫這個卓偉您知道嗎 |
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那現在面對我們整個就業市場人才的缺乏其實我覺得退府會應該要大力的去幫這些農民去爭取應該要打開這個天花板那我覺得從兩個層面來談這件事第一個層面就是我們這個社會缺人啊 |
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譬如說像我就很關心教育校園現場的校安問題那現在學校裡面是有校安人員 沒有錯但是校安人員如果可以由退伍的軍人去擔任的話事實上因為他們有受過訓練然後他們知道怎麼面對一些危機他絕對比其他人懂得怎麼去處理一些校園安全的問題 |
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可是問題是他們要來就沒辦法 為什麼呢因為有些可能是公立學校啊有些是私立學校可能有拿政府的補助啊沒有辦法啊否則 那個薪水會超過他能夠領的最低薪資嘛 |
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所以這個退輔會我覺得你應該要去盤點一下他們的這些需求然後去幫忙去爭取那第二個齁其實我直接從道理上面來講當初為什麼那些軍公教他退伍之後或退休之後會被限制只能領在就業的話只能領最低薪資因為以前他們薪水比較高啊他們退休領的比較多啊 |
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那後來年改之後他所領的也沒有像以前這麼多那你的天花板還依然在那邊你把人家退休領的東西砍了結果人家要憑自己的勞力去再就業對不起你還是有天花板天花板沒有提高這樣合理嗎第三件事情我們國家並不是平白屋給他們錢我們國家他是憑著自己的勞力在賺錢 |
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那只是你給他一個限制而已所以從這幾個方面來講這個我都希望退府會能夠幫這些農民去爭取 |
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那像我自己就覺得那些退伍的農民他除了可以去幫忙做教官他可以做一些這個國防的教官啊對不對他也可以做很多講師啊現在不是政府都很強調什麼民防嗎 民力啊 任性啊你如果由退伍的軍人來做講師的工作不是非常適合嗎為什麼不要然後導致於現在有很多人退伍以後一些人退伍以後他們都戲稱好像都只能做三保啦 |
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那麼比較多的人去做這個保險然後不然就是做保全然後不然就做開計程車司機等等有一些人就去做這個工作但他們也許他們想要再幫國家做事啊就被限制啦那我覺得你如果把那個天花板打開其實你對於募兵也有幫助為什麼因為當一個年輕人他決定要投入這個軍旅生活的時候他也會考慮他退休之後的生活嗎 |
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假設他知道說他退休 離了中生份 五十幾歲很年輕退休只能找工作會有一定的限制 那他可能就會考慮啦應該我覺得大部分人退伍之後還會再希望做份工作嘛所以從這幾個面向來講的話畢竟你現在是退伍會主委 但你之前做過非常多重要的位置 |
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國安會秘書長 國防部長 洞見觀瞻如果你願意去幫忙推動這個事情幫退伍的這些弟兄們號召一下我相信這個會有很有影響力不知道主委您有沒有願意我來提會委員的關心對農民的照顧尤其就業這方面這個 |
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天花板就是三萬八這塊那我想跟委員報告因為這個是來自於陸海空軍事務跟服役條令這是主政機關是國防部那委員就指導我想我們也會我們其實前面已經在找國防部相關主政機關來一起研討因為他主政機關要必須要做一些調整或修正或者什麼樣的反應那我們會找他們再來做研討把我們現在 |
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在執訓在就職這一塊農民所碰到的一些困難跟問題或限制因為他在私人機構是沒有這個問題公家醫院就會碰到剛剛委員所講的這些一些省略的一些困難所以我想我們會找國安部一起來研商看怎麼樣來有一個很好的一個方法來解套你從農民的角度出發嘛去跟他講嘛雖然是主政機關是他可是我們農民有這個需求啊 |
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所以委員剛剛講的一個重點就是有利你招募你就可以打開之後大家都願意去因為叫他退了之後他的職場很寬廣沒有限制公司他都可以去任職所以絕對是有利招募然後對我們就業市場就像我們講校園的安全雙贏所以我們會找他那你什麼時候會找他 |
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你有做過部長嗎 下面其實很多人都是您的那個以前的屬下你等一下就可以找了啊前面來委員會就有委員關心過所以我們已經有知會他們了知會他們那這樣好不好主委 因為我比較喜歡有一個時程啦不然每次都大約在冬季這樣就沒有什麼結論你講一個日期好不好就是說你可以比如說一個月還是兩個禮拜你可以跟國防部討論這個事情然後你一個初步的意見出來好不好用跨部會的 |
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你現在要修法嘛對不對就你一個我們有跨部會的一些會議透過跨部會的會議跨部會的會議什麼時候預計是在六月份六月所以你會在跨部會的會議的時候把這個議題列進去 討論那你開完會會議記錄給我好不好好那一定要盡量促成啦好不好主委可以嗎好 謝謝主委謝謝主委 |