| IVOD_ID |
168733 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168733 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-23-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T11:18:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T11:31:33+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1a42726e852efaef810d96ca025fdcb7c4f2050ed7b2b649b6b9ecd0214d1f5425ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:18:14 - 11:31:33 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查(一)委員葛如鈞等20人及(二)委員黃健豪等18人分別擬具「電信管理法第三十六條條文修正草案」案。二、審查(一)委員陳雪生等23人及(二)委員傅崐萁等25人分別擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「有線廣播電視法第五十八條條文修正草案」案及(五)委員黃健豪等18人擬具「有線廣播電視法第十條及第五十八條條文修正草案」案。三、審查(一)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「廣播電視法第五條之一及第四十四條之二條文修正草案」案及(二)委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「廣播電視法第四十四條之二條文修正草案」案。四、處理114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管預算凍結案計13案。【開會事由一至三僅進行詢答；開會事由二第(五)案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】） |
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好,謝謝趙偉,是不是請陳書偉請陳書偉請問一下那個衛星廣播電視法 |
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第五條第五十條一百一十五年一月三十日通過了嘛是這個行政院公布了沒有復署了沒有行政院沒有復署沒有復署啊沒有復署那現在有限電視這個咧如果通過了也不復署的話你們準備怎麼處理啊 |
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因為不附屬的後續效果的效果部分,我們因為權責不在NC,我們都尊重啦但是我相信如果說個案上發生在未廣法的情況,未必會發生在有廣法跟無廣法這個政治的淩駕專業,你們這破壞了整個法規體系 |
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你們沒有辦法嗎?你通過委員會,你們自己有委員會啊對不對?沒有,就是附屬不附屬,權責不在NCCNCC這邊比較沒有辦法來處理你們怎麼應對這樣呢? |
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那如果就今天這個召委排的案子部分我們基本上是支持我們意見是說要跟衛廣法當初三讀通過版本一致的就是我們是支持這方面的方向來處理不是我們審的幹什麼你審的老半天行政院不附屬你審的也是白審的啊浪費那麼多人力在這邊跟委員報告如果是純粹就黨政界這一塊的條例修正我相信應該共識度蠻高的應該不會發生這種情況 |
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所以我問你,49台是不是新聞台?目前是請教說綠的還是藍的?還是白的?以NCE的立場,NCE不分藍綠,就是說看看有沒有違規來處理不分藍綠齁來,我來隨便找一個你們的誰?綜合國家處你做什麼回答?49台是藍的還是綠的? |
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他一直罵國民黨罵民進黨,你就看得出來那邊是誰的嘛,你沒看電視嗎?你們NCC如果不看電視的話,你們還NCC喔?是藍的還綠的?還?評論嘛罵,他沒有講過哪一台的好話沒有不認為說他是藍或是綠你過去看一下醫生好不好?你整個神經麻木啦 |
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那個國小國中小孩都聽得懂啊 你聽不懂啊公務員保持行政中立 那我們是 經營媒體是事後管制梁處長咧你看49台是哪一台的 是綠的還是藍的報告委員 我家沒有有線電視所以我其實沒有在看請坐平台 平台事業處 詹處長 |
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是綠還藍的五十台好了啦五十台好啦民視啦,民視哪一台是藍還是綠的我們其實都尊重每個電視台自己的那個立場好你請坐啦,不為難你們了你也不敢回答是不是,主任委員不敢回答 |
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黨政軍退出媒體我來立法院十幾年了國民黨執政的時候民進黨要求黨政軍退出媒體現在黨政軍全力的介入媒體49、50、51、52、53沒有講過國民黨一句好話的 |
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趙少康那一台TVBS也沒講過綠的一句好話的這個有什麼關係嘛白是白 黑是黑你不要顛倒跟搞核能一樣不搞核能的時候你搞核電的話台灣會怎麼樣怎麼樣你聽聽看好不好所以前幾年吳宗憲委員在總諮詢的時候他也不要做院長上台 |
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他直接講了五分鐘啊 騙啊不要啦 不好吧你們NCC有沒有超然獨立大聲一點講 有沒有超然獨立目前我們都有目前我擔任委員之後相信過往的委員也是依法行政前幾年李昌祖密到我辦公室來 |
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英俊挺拔年輕有為現在這個頭髮你看看什麼頭皮膚也孬了歲數也大了你經過藍綠委員的洗禮我真的很同情你謝謝委員我真的也不要給你太多壓力你審議上我也不曉得怎麼辦要把你刪掉又不給你做事對不對給你錢嘛你又在那邊胡搞瞎搞我預算很少是四大部會的零頭不到 |
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你怎麼超然獨立法,你講嘛113年投訴案件有多少件,你講投訴案件新聞喔新聞有112年你們罰了有5件,罰了260萬廣告的呢?廣告多少件? |
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廣告罰了一千零二十萬,一百一十二年,一百一十三年不見了,沒有監督了嗎?沒處理了?沒處理了?都處理了,有有都有圖表證裡面有沒有處理? |
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就是有些要上委員會的沒辦法處理其他大概有些是很明確的比方說酒類超時不該的時段來播送酒類廣告那些我們都有處理投訴什麼意思嘛投訴以後到你們那裡就石沉大海四個字我們都有在處理就是照有些是處理多久了 |
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多元意見的,比方說他有沒有違反事實查證這些東西要上委員會的你不要跟那個昨天我質詢那個運營銷,那個哪裏啊直升機冒煙啊還在那邊調查,調查要一年誰敢做那個直升機啊直升機冒煙你敢做嗎你上去以後,我放一把煙我看看跑出一點煙味來你敢做嗎 |
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欸 多久了跟委員報告 其實我們的程序說一個吊帶 一個請業者打阿福園有涉違反事實的請業者提他委員會然後上我們諮詢會議 然後上委員會議有些配上委員會 剛剛跟委員報告過比方說他酒類時段播出不對的話 我們就直接裁罰了有些要上委員會的事實叫你沒裁罰啊 |
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你沒裁發你媒體監管你要公平公正嘛對不對是你沒有啊你根本沒辦啊這哪個單位辦的舉手來請舉手不是沒辦都有都有都有就是委員心目中的A顏色跟B顏色的台其實都有被罰過 |
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主委你們做了有事吧,前面講打詐,你打詐又沒做,你又沒監督媒體,還有260萬還有1000萬罰一罰不管多或少,總算也罰了一點,你把中間再把他幹掉中間現在開會也通過了,你們來個不附屬,我覺得我們立法院在幹什麼也不曉得,你們在幹什麼? |
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518.7 |
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你們平常在那邊沒有沒有就是剛因為報告過了有些在上委員會之前的程序我們都有同仁都持續在進行該上諮詢會都有在處理主委啊國家的政事啊政務啊我們要正常的運轉你知道嗎不要大家在那邊打混啦你知道嗎你現在一個無政府狀態是不是不要是一個無政府狀態這樣有問題不好啦好不好好 |
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520.663 |
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545.693 |
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你們媒體監督這個很多,你去弄一弄,找個時間找個誰跟我回報一下好,沒有問題既然我一直盯上了嘛,總要總起來啊,看看怎麼回事啊,好不好?是,好好,最後一個問題問你一下那個誰?是林部長嗎?是海嵐海嵐是你這邊還是? |
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兩邊都有,都是疊加的,CI部分是初步我再跟你講,台馬3號還來,障礙 |
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大陸一條漁船飄到我們東宇來東宇的船來去求救大陸就來了一個救援船這個救援船我想是應該經過許可才能夠進入我們的港區進來以後一定刮到海嵐海嵐三號然後海嵐三號發出警告訊號 |
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595.997 |
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警告信號一定通知海巡說有不明船隻來了現在海覽誰去碰他就是國安法三個字不是告訴哪一段是國安法那這樣很奇怪海巡跑去碰這條船 |
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這是個救援船,跟紅石智慧一樣你現在把他抓起來了,你不放他回去,你就放到我們這裡問地檢署,地檢署說你們沒告,不告不理問海巡,海巡說我只是你們通知我把船固定在那裡剩下就是你們開會 |
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你們開會一個禮拜過去 兩個禮拜過去 三個禮拜過去欸 人家這個救援船很貴的啊是 我完全理解是 那個 呃 委員這裡面是什麼問題呢有法律的問題嗎是 那個 呃 跟委員報告這件事情我們會請就是各個單位我們去協調加快處理我說這個狀況就好像是高速公路上發生一個車禍結果兩兆雙方就把車子停在路中間結果後面的車子都堵住了什麼事情都不用做那就趕快我們該蒐證的就蒐證該那個 |
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那個測試的就測試然後趕快就讓大家不管是那個救援船他回去做他的事情然後趕快去進行修復然後後面的法律的這些事情我們再來走這個程序不要讓所有事情卡在那個地方救援船來救他救他要給你碰撞一下救援船要賠錢嗎 |
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這個事情喔抱歉那個是不是請任信司司長來來 市長 劉市長謝謝委員長期關注喔那根據我們現在掌握的狀況是航港局預計在4月24號就會開會那開會以後會確認他新的這個施工計畫呢是不是符合規定如果符合規定的方式去施工的話那雙方都不會提告就因為中華電力也不會提告但如果他沒有按照新的施工計畫去施工的話 |
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後面可能就韓港局跟中華電力都會追究其行政的處罰跟賠償責任,你上報告這個叫什麼家衰啊,國語家衰有沒有,國語是不是叫家衰我救援團跟我什麼事啊我跑去救他,然後我還去賠償什麼等一下來個幾千萬,不曉得一億兩億的,這什麼意思啊一個救護車我要去救人嘛對不對,兩趟發生車禍我去救 |
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我救護車去,發生車禍的事情還想我救護車把人家撞了,或是撞傷致死或是幹什麼的,救護車責任還更大。現在國安法碰到海海的問題又扯到國安法了,到底是不是國安法? |
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真的很困擾欸你們趕快把這個事情釐清好不好因為反正這個救援船真的費用很高啊我知道那個了解委員的意思就是說這個法律的事情當然是交給法院去處理但是我們這個疏發部現在就趕快去溝通想辦法讓這個事情趕快該修復我們現在最重要的是趕快把海馬三號這個海欄把它修復然後那個救援船就是讓它能去繼續去做營業因為那個之前委員有提到三號這個據我了解是蠻輕微的啦 |
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滿清委但是這裡面有責任你能夠放人家回去趕快放人家回去我們趕快去聯絡、協調你們動作快一點因為我覺得底下基層的部門他也做不了主你們在上面的長官稍微用點心好不好你講一講一句話給他一個民視的方向謝謝 |