| IVOD_ID |
168730 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168730 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T11:36:12+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T11:48:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f125c7d58fadf8fd0fa31e0b39ac3e37f84f2050ed7b2b649b2bfe832c71c1a02f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:12 - 11:48:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管收支部分。（僅詢答）
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管非營業基金－作業基金：（僅詢答）
（一）國軍退除役官兵安置基金。
（二）榮民醫療作業基金。
（4月22日及23日二天一次會）） |
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好 謝謝昭偉 我們請主委 謝謝我們請主委 |
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主委這個退伍會的工作很辛苦我看你們的預算很少很少增加的也不多不過有幾個課題請教一下第一個在你們預算的第144頁有一個叫做訪查大陸地區高額遺產繼承人就是說我們的榮民可能他就 |
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死亡過後遺產超過一百萬那我們必須派人到中國去確認他的繼承人的這些狀況我們一定要派人去,沒有別的方式可以來處理這件事情同樣的因為也有一些是這個榮民他就後來不管是生病什麼樣的因素他就住在中國了 |
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我們還要派人去確認我們沒有別的方法可以確認這一位就是我們的榮民然後他現在還也許生病臥病在床透過視訊透過各種各式各樣的方法總比我們還要派一個人去找到他這些費用都不高啦但是沒有其他的方法可以處理 |
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那委員所關心的現在大陸救養龍是現在目前一百一十五年是一百零一個人數已經減少了當初三百多個那從一百一十三年陸委會有發布橙色燈號就大陸地區他不是很安全健康會有問題所以我們就沒有去這些人都沒有去沒有去我們採取指紋驗證指紋驗證來查 |
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那這些人當初都在我們榮家來救養所以各榮家每一季也會做一些電話的一些查訪可是你們有編要去的錢啊?是,這些錢都沒有,我們連累都繳回都繳回有編都沒有?原來編了51萬去探訪的對因為就是跟委員報,113年開始以後就沒有再去了就沒有再去了所以這些錢都繳回 |
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但是預算還是編在那邊預算編到就繳回因為如果橙色燈號有變化的話跟你還是要去所以現在是橙色燈號我們就不去所以不去是但是還是留著留著到年底就會繳回那這些錢不能用別的方式就讓你們在驗證的過程中那邊的成本會增加然後就直接把這個拿掉困難在哪裡我們都會繳回我知道我說那邊這筆的目的是什麼可以嗎 |
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老委員我是救養處業管,那有關這個我們訪視是很重要的一環,那現在101位在大陸,我們在108年前我們有持續做這個工作。我知道透過視訊也可以嘛,因為農家的人這些輔導的人一定認識那一位老伯伯農民嘛,那就確定是他嘛。 |
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大家視訊一下就好啦 人去人去我們試圖有這樣做 那現在因為大陸地區這個資安管控的問題所以我們以電話聯繫的方式 跟指紋驗證來執行所以這是剛剛主委講到基本上這些費用沒有使用啦好 OK 第二個就是 |
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我看你們榮民榮眷的健康保險的保費是增加的,可是為什麼你們親含就學的補助費用是降低?親含的就學、子女的就學的補助是降低的? |
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我們在人數的部分因為有一段時間他們是會跟縣市政府的申請清涵子女補助的部分那他可以選擇跟我們申請那因為少子化的關係就慢慢減少了所以這個清涵榮民子女就學補助比去年少是因為人數變少是他可以選擇跟縣市政府或者跟我們都可以的那健保的費用為什麼會增加 |
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建保113年建保的費用在你們報告的預算書的39頁,榮民、榮眷的建保的費用都增加延放來說一下延放為什麼增加建保是大家都增加嗎還是人數的問題 |
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委員好 我是就醫保健處三室那增加的原因是因為就是健保在結算的時候有發現我們經過就是有些榮民有增加那個投保到六類移牧那為什麼會增加這些增加投保六類移牧的人數主要是經過我們就是本會的一個宣導讓他們做一個最適的投保有時候他們可能依附到家屬依附到他們的小孩的 |
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當成依附的眷屬或是他們投保錯誤的第五類所以我們有這樣的一個發現你們人真好謝謝就是錢變成是你們付而不是他的家人那邊付 |
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這個是他的權益在健保法裡面有規定,就是我們無職業的農民他的保費是由本會來支應這很好,這個政府幫忙處理,比這個子女處理可能更好接下來有一筆錢是在第67頁裡面去採購的一個叫做AI面試設備 |
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那我的理解是讓我們的這個要轉職的農民弟兄啊他們要去面試之前有一個模擬面試的概念嘛那你們採購了20套請問這20套是一個什麼什麼概念是版權買20套還是有20套放在20台電腦還是在20個地方 |
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委員好 我是救學監獄處處長跟您報告 我們買了這個就是AI的模擬系統我們要在全國的19個容服處跟執訓中心都有這樣子的一套系統這個系統是我們跟勞動部桃竹苗分屬授權給我們來運用但是我要透過我一個電腦的一個monitor的系統來去讓我的退出於官兵在做面試的一個模擬練習好 來 |
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你覺得大家模擬面是還要跑去一個固定的定點嗎他不能在他家用嗎他還要跑去那裡 |
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不是很奇怪嗎是 委員報告我們剛講因為這個是我們從事辦到今年邁入第二年因為這個是我們要結合很多的退伍官兵因為他去求職會到我們容服處來做那個職埃諮商職埃諮商的時候我們就順便要幫他去做這個面試的 |
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這錢付給誰?這個版權費付?沒有版權問題,是他們授權給我們授權是誰授權?桃子苗分屬,勞動部,部會之間的資源鏈結所以他收這個錢基本上也沒什麼意義啊 |
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沒有付費是買硬體的設施那你們這個東西就他讓你們的榮民在家裡就可以磨泥面絲為什麼要跑去一個地方呢根據委員報告我懂您的意思但是因為這個即便像桃子苗分屬因為我說過我們是去跟他授權獲得 |
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他也是讓桃竹廟地區的人到他那邊去做這樣的一個模擬嘗試因為那如果說要讓每一個人都開放的話這個版權是桃竹廟分屬我們可以去跟他洽談協商包委員跟榮福住他有一個就業站我知道就業站專門介紹你成功的讓你去就業所以在家裡面可能有些榮福住有的家裡會沒有所以在榮福住是比較 |
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比較完整啦如果是要找工作去榮福署的就業站因為他有一個完整的一套人馬在那邊這是大家就習慣會去一個點的開設是嗎是是是就業媒合就業站20套榮福署再加上我們退伍費的執行中心最後一個是在預算書41頁有關於這個偏鄉醫師留任的這個不管是獎助補助這一類這個預算跟去年的預算是一模一樣的 |
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529.737 |
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543.327 |
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時代已經在變成本越來越高你們要留任偏鄉的醫師結果你們編的這個預算要鼓勵這個醫師在偏鄉留任的費用沒有增加這到底怎麼回事 |
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546.392 |
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575.444 |
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這樣怎麼留任?報告委員,這個是一個衛福部的一個偏鄉留任的這個醫師的獎勵計畫所以他每年框的額度都是一樣的那我們會按照這樣的額度來看這個今年來登記的這個醫師有多少人這樣子所以我們在去年的部分我們合訂了42位那今年合訂31位那每年來報這個計畫的人數都會不一樣會有修正那你們不可以加嗎?可以加的,是只要預算有剩餘的話我們都可以在年度內再增加 |
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576.434 |
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593.366 |
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不是,我是說你們不可以個人增加嗎?個人的費用這個費用是按照衛福部公道地區的醫院來給的費用那你們不能增加,退伍費自己不能加就到我這個育女農民的我就增加 |
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595.051 |
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614.018 |
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是對,報告委員那個玉里跟鳳林還有新竹目前都屬於高度偏鄉的醫院,他的金額已經有調高了,按照衛福部的公告已經有調高了不是,我說衛福部公告以後你們可不可以再增加?沒有嘛報告委員,我是副主委吳志揚 |
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614.81 |
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643.504 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
那這個部分因為這個計畫是衛福部頒訂的包含這些服務資格還有訂定高度偏鄉和這個偏遠的部分一百八十萬一年跟一百二十萬一年他這個都是衛福規定如果要調可能要衛福部那邊來決定我們會向衛福部再爭取如果預算可以編不是啊衛福部訂了一個嘛那全國適用嘛沒有沒有他是全部所有的全國適用全國適用是那我們退五位自己的 |
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644.184 |
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672.327 |
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不能增加是不是不能再加我們退伏費有我們自己訂的這個同籌款的部分但是因為這個部分它有條件比如說留任的部分偏向醫師留任最多只能領兩年超過以後就沒有了所以說我們每一年按照這個預估的人數編列這些預算那平均大概抓145萬一年一個醫師所以說我們這個錢大概都是固定這個我懂啦就全國都一樣嘛就是說那這是 |
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672.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
693.719 |
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退府會自己所屬的這些相關的醫院,我們不能再加了啊,一個月加個兩萬、三萬,這對你們來購買一點錢而已,讓更多偏鄉的願意留在我們的系統裡嗎?我們輔導會有自己的統籌款的部分,像我們心境醫師的部分,今年我們就有調整到一個醫師補助三十萬 |
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694.919 |
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711.147 |
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那這個因為這個系統兩個規矩不一樣一個是衛福部訂所屬但是我們自己的醫生我們錢自己編但是我必須按照他所訂的標準來給付那我們自己統籌款的部分我們也會另頒下去給各院有個依據衛福部比較沒錢啦 |
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714.528 |
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742.276 |
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阿你看你像台北榮總錢那麼多錢也是用我們自己的不是阿像台北榮總用那麼多錢那保這個育理也就是花蓮也算台北榮總管的嘛阿那要擲一把會鼓勵大家到偏鄉榮民醫院的系統裡頭去服務嘛這研究看看啦是只要衛福部不反對你們應該就可以做了衛福部能夠提高我們就跟著提高沒問題好啦謝謝謝謝委員 |