| IVOD_ID |
168728 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168728 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T11:30:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T11:43:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f174e1f953b73ec4dd63812774c6aab6af4f2050ed7b2b649b741abac731c48f905ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:30:37 - 11:43:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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請蔡議員謝謝召委召委都要陳委員無限暢談希望我有可以這樣的待遇 |
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假贊來這個有請經濟部部長請工部長 |
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蔡委員好部長好部長那昨天大概大家有看到了前天就是這個赫姆茲海峽那已經台灣有一艘台灣級的運送200萬桶的原油那即將要抵達麥寮港 |
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那我想要請教部長就是說那這樣這個原油抵達麥寮港後可以緩解包括現在在工程界說濾清的不足或者是一些塑膠的這些包裝的材質不夠的這個困境嗎那部長你判斷呢是 報告委員那個 |
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包委員那個中央公司董事長有講就是說我們大概原油一天的使用量是大概是15萬噸對所以15萬桶所以這個200萬桶的話大概可以支撐半個多月 |
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那四月份的時候事實上中國公司的原油到港大概有三艘那台塑化它是有一艘所以基本上這個供應量應該是所以有三艘啦有持續就是其他的就是除了這一艘之外還有其他其他艘會持續進來那我想要就是了解就是說因為現在 |
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我聽到了很多真的就是說在做公務工程的都在反映因為歷清的問題造成他現在的施工必須要暫緩歷清我們重新盤點大概可以供應到六月份六月底那我們現在也請重要公司 |
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直接對外來做採購那台塑化的部分他們因為有進來的這個原油他也可以有一些也可以煉製剩下這個瀝青出來 對好 沒關係所以 不用再衍生問題出來第一位就是說對這一些承包商 |
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他們可能會有說因為疫情的問題他們的工期是需要檢討工期所以委員假如說有比較明確的個案給我們來做一些媒合像其他的地區它有比較急迫性那讓我們了解我們來做一些媒合的動作好 那我是在請這個台電的董事長委員好來 |
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部長跟董事長我還是要問一下因為丹納斯的到現在已經經過了超過8個月的時間那這個丹納斯的條例後那我們當時是針對很多重要的一些路就是說比較屬於它的地基會比較強的就是包括台17台19線的一個電纜地下化 |
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那我想請教董事長那整個這些電腦地下化這個在特別預算執行那現在推動的狀況如何 |
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那個包委員第一件事情嘉義縣目前我們同樣回報是都已經發包了這是第一點第二點是計執行率現在來看就是它是名列前茅的那主要就是因為我們要取得路證等等還要做一些交違只要是順利我們速度就會快那土方這個地方也能夠做一定程度的解決所以嘉義縣在整個速度來看是排在比較前面進度還不錯 |
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所以該一關的整個進度都會有啦因為這特別條例他都頂兩年所以我這個進度我是我們希望執行速度能夠盡量執行技術可以越快越好啦好那就這個還是要持續來希望可以加速那第二個就是說這一個在中普這邊啦中普這邊那 |
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中友有一個探勘的事業部這個可能要請中友了有一個探勘事業部那這個探勘事業部在11月11號事實上有針對中埔竹頭旗段400之一地號高溫地下水層的一個評估報告那這個評估報告他主要是認定中埔在這個路段在這個地段 |
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如果往下挖掘的話只要挖掘到420到730米的左右他們可以井底的地層溫度可以到43度那如果你挖到了分水溪的下段也就是100米至1000米至1200米 |
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以這個這一段的話底層溫度可以到61度你如果挖到這個鳥嘴層的上段它的溫度可以到1200度你挖到了1200公尺到1400公尺也底層溫度可以到70度所以基本上這一個挖井它有地熱的一個條件那我想請教的話就是經濟部跟中油你們針對這樣有發展有所謂的一個地熱的一個條件的話 |
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那你們有辦法來針對這些計畫來實施後續的專探那後續的一些投資計畫嗎 |
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報告委員,有關嘉峪中浦溫泉這個探警的部分,應該不是中油公司去專探的,應該是民間業者不過他這些研究報告的話,大概有請我們公司一起來共同探討,這可能性 |
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一般我們判斷的基準大概就是這個地熱的溫度呢到達150度C應該就具備了可以開發的一個評估啦所以以這樣的一個地區的話如果是這樣研究報告是可以做這樣的一個後續的探討的話我想我們中原公司跟業者之間可以做進一步的交流 |
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對 因為這個業者主要他是針對溫泉所以溫泉他大概以這個他去做狀態他就只研究到1400米那你低熱當然就要再往下但是再往下的這個評估大概民間就沒有辦法了 |
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就只能靠中油你們是最專業的嘛而且你們最近在宜蘭這邊我看到一些新聞說有取得非常大的成功就是說往下這個地熱已經到達了180度嘛這是我看到的一些在宜蘭的一個狀況那如果同樣的在我們中埔有這樣的一個潛力的話那也許這就不是民間有辦法去再往下去撞灘去了解因為他們這是針對溫泉的一個研究 |
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那有溫泉如果再往下有地熱的話那這裡的條件就會更好這應該是沒有錯吧 |
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因為我們現在有補助啦如果民間業者他要打比較深的這個叫深層低熱的話事實上是政府有補助的補助的比例大概是多少我們有一個計算的公式然後最高每一家我記得好像是1億元啦就是但是要看他的那個打的深度所以還是要民間發動然後你們補助對對對沒有辦法直接就是由中油這邊來啟動這樣的一個 |
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中友另用中友公司因為他現在主要是在比較北部那個地方在宜蘭地區嘛對如果宜蘭地區那邊告一段落的話也可以到中府這邊來那應該是可以可以先嘗試去至少先去評估看看嘛就是說來那裡的環境看而且事實上我們嘉義跟中友關係就很深啊你們整個 |
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我們嘉義市這邊就有整個中友的那個資訊中心啊都是在都在嘉義啊所以如果你們中友可以在我們中埔這個地方那投入這樣的一些一些撰刊那我想我我這樣判斷起來依這一份報告這一份雖然還沒有到 |
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打地熱的研究但是我覺得是很有潛力的這個應該是值得中油去去做這樣的一個未來的一個規劃是是我想我們可以去做共同的探討好謝謝董事長好那我再最後一個要請教這個部長 |
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就是部長因為我最近也是看到這個一些新聞看起來齁這個在風電的這一塊很多產業齁很多外商基本上決定要退出台灣那從包括呃加德西外那法國政府100%持有的這個能源的法國電力齁這個再生能源公司叫做EDF齁也決定要退出退出那看起來就是說 |
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台灣的風電似乎走進了一個瓶頸但是這件事讓我有一點納悶我們這個風電廠如果以前兩期的開發經過了小犬颱風經過了當納斯颱風 |
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這都是非常強的而且丹納斯颱風甚至到了14級15級風那他們可以這樣依然都是我看起來是沒有一個這個風電的這個電塔有去倒掉嘛 |
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所以看起來就是說水價基礎的技術也夠成熟那整個發電的效率在冬季的時候也可以達到非常好的發電效率那怎麼會變成說現在外商覺得台灣的這個投資環境已經包含不會因為第一期 您剛才提到第一期第二期大家都要完成了那現在就是有退出的比較有問題就是3.1 3.2某些廠商 |
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說老實話這個應該是跟當初的這個選商機制是有一些關係啊我們現在3.3就會回到另外的選商機制那現在表達願意參與的這個廠商家屬也非常多包括國外的有幾位這個都來拜會包括我們駐台的一些代表 |
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他們也表達很大的興趣3.3的部分所以保定你有信心就是說3.3按推動的話因為這個風電我想我們整個政策是延續的嘛而且縱使現在有在做核電重啟的評估但是它跟風電它跟這個綠電的產業政策這個 |
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這個並不違背啊 並不是說有評估這邊豐電這邊就要把整個把它停掉我們很快3.3完以後很快的3.4就會推出來還是會出出來 所以政府在綠電的推動我想基本上會持續嘛 而且我再說著台積電他現在需要R1版 |
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它在R100它需要綠電R100的要求核電沒有在R100裡面核電沒有所以現在幾乎台灣的風電看起來台積電就是買了一半以上吧所以它有這樣高度的需求那台灣的綠電的一個發展這事情不能我知道 |
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在野黨好像對綠電是有很大的一些錯誤的誤解那甚至是批判造成很多政策在推動上是沒順利這個是感受得到但是站在經濟部的角度你們對於綠電的推動應該要持續的力道繼續往前推吧是沒有錯我們還會加強 |
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好 那就未來就是希望部長這部分 也許再跟這一些業者吼 大家吼 大家這樣開槓一下然後了解一下 到底他們現在遇到的困境是什麼 我就想整個已經邁向成熟的政策 不可以這樣走回去不會 不會 好 謝謝好 謝謝參與委員質詢 |
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2026-04-22T11:30:59.545000+08:00 |
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謝謝召委，召委剛才讓陳委員無限暢談，希望我也可以有這樣的待遇。 |
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0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-22T11:31:05.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-22T11:31:06.571000+08:00 |
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有請經濟部部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-22T11:31:06.571000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-22T11:31:06.852000+08:00 |
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請龔部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-22T11:31:14.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-22T11:31:15.063000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
蔡委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-22T11:31:15.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-22T11:31:16.084000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
部長好。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-22T11:31:17.726000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-22T11:31:46.989000+08:00 |
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前天有看到荷姆茲海峽有一艘臺灣籍的油輪運送200萬桶原油即將抵達麥寮港，請教部長，原油抵達麥寮港後，可以緩解包括現在工程界說的瀝青不足或一些塑膠包裝材質不夠的困境嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-22T11:31:47.089000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-22T11:31:47.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
部長的判斷呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-22T11:31:47.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-22T11:32:25.447000+08:00 |
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報告委員，中油公司董事長有講我們一天的原油使用量大概15萬桶，所以200萬桶大概可以支撐半個多月，4月份的時候，中油公司的原油到港大概有3艘，台塑化有1艘，所以基本上供應量應該是…… |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-22T11:32:26.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-22T11:32:34.350000+08:00 |
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所以有3艘，持續有其他的，除了這1艘以外，還有其他的持續進來。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-22T11:32:37.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-22T11:32:49.407000+08:00 |
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我聽到很多做公共工程的都在反映因為瀝青的問題，造成他現在施工必須要暫緩。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-22T11:32:49.567000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-22T11:33:08.580000+08:00 |
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對瀝青我們有重新盤點，大概可以供應到6月底，我們現在也請中油公司直接對外採購，台塑化的部分，進來的原油也可以煉製然後剩下一些瀝青。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.814 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-22T11:33:11.523000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-22T11:33:22.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
不過這也衍生問題，第一個，這些承包商可能因為瀝青的問題，需要檢討工期。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-22T11:33:24.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-22T11:33:36.834000+08:00 |
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委員假如有比較明確的個案給我們，我們來媒合，其他的地區如果比較有急迫性，讓我們了解，我們來做媒合的工作。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-22T11:33:38.195000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-22T11:33:41.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
我再請台電董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-22T11:33:41.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-22T11:33:41.416000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-22T11:33:48.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-22T11:34:24.602000+08:00 |
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部長、董事長，我還是要問一下，丹娜絲到現在已經超過8個月的時間，在丹娜絲條例通過後，當時我們針對很多重要的路段、地基比較強的，包括台17線、台19線的電纜地下化，請教董事長，整個電纜地下化在特別預算執行推動的狀況如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-22T11:34:26.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-22T11:34:30.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
第一點，嘉義縣目前我們同仁回報都已經發包了。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-22T11:34:32.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-22T11:34:49.876000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
第二點，執行率現在來看是名列前茅的，主要就是我們要取得路證等等，還要做一些交維，只要順利，我們速度就會快，土方在這個地方也能夠做一定程度的解決，所以嘉義縣整個速度來看是排在比較前面，進度還不錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-22T11:34:50.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-22T11:34:52.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
所以嘉義縣整個進度都跟得上？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-22T11:34:53.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-22T11:34:56.579000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
因為特別條例期限只有2年，所以我很關注進度。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-22T11:34:57.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-22T11:34:59.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
我們希望執行速度能夠儘量快。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-22T11:34:59.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-22T11:35:05.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
執行速度越快越好，這個希望可以持續加速。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-22T11:35:06.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-22T11:36:05.879000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
第二個，中油在中埔有一個探勘事業部，在11月11日有一個針對中埔竹頭崎段400-1地號高溫地下水層的評估報告，這個評估報告主要是認定中埔在這個地段如果往下挖掘的話，只要挖掘到420到730米左右，井底的地層溫度可以到43度；如果挖到澐水溪層的下段，也就是1,000米到1,200米的話，底層溫度可以到61度；如果挖到鳥嘴層的上段，也就是挖到1,200公尺到1,400公尺，底層溫度可以到70度，基本上，挖井後有地熱的條件。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-22T11:36:05.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-22T11:36:34.837000+08:00 |
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請教經濟部和中油，你們針對這樣有發展地熱條件的，你們有辦法針對這些地方來實施後續的鑽探投資計畫嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-22T11:36:46.411000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-22T11:37:21.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
有關嘉義中埔溫泉探井的部分，應該不是中油公司去鑽探的，應該是民間業者，不過這些研究報告大概有請我們公司一起來探討可能性，一般我們判斷的基準就是地熱的溫度到達攝氏150度應該就具備了可以開發的評估，以這樣的地區，研究報告可以做這樣後續的探討的話，我們中油公司和業者之間可以做進一步的交流。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-22T11:37:22.049000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-22T11:38:12.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
因為業者主要是針對溫泉，所以鑽探大概就只研究到1,400米，地熱當然就要再往下，但是再往下的評估，民間大概就沒有辦法了，只能靠中油，你們是最專業的，最近我看到一些新聞說你們在宜蘭這邊取得非常大的成功，地熱已經到達了攝氏180度，這是我看到在宜蘭的一些狀況，如果在我們中埔有同樣的潛力的話，也許這就不是民間有辦法再往下鑽探、了解的，因為它們這是針對溫泉的研究，有溫泉，如果再往下有地熱的話，這裡的條件就會更好，這應該沒有錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.888 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-22T11:38:17.517000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-22T11:38:27.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
對，因為我們現在有補助，如果有民間業者要打得比較深的話，這叫深層地熱，事實上政府是有補助的，補助的比率大概是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.863 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
吳署長志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-22T11:38:29.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-22T11:38:37.370000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
我們有一個計算的公式，最高好像1億元，不過要看它打的深度。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-22T11:38:37.990000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-22T11:38:41.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
所以還是要民間發動，然後你們補助？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-22T11:38:41.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-22T11:38:43.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
沒有辦法直接由中油這邊來啟動？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
吳署長志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-22T11:38:43.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-22T11:38:46.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
中油有另外的。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-22T11:38:46.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-22T11:38:57.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
中油公司因為現在主要是在北部地方，在宜蘭地區，如果宜蘭地區那邊告一段落，也可以到中埔這邊來。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-22T11:38:57.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-22T11:39:35.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
應該也可以至少先去評估看看，去看看那邊的環境，事實上我們嘉義和中油的關係很深，嘉義市就有整個中油的職訓中心，所以中油如果可以在中埔這個地方投入鑽勘，我依這份報告判斷起來，雖然還沒有達到地熱的研究，但我覺得是很有潛力的，這應該值得中油去做未來的規劃。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.817 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
方董事長振仁 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-22T11:39:35.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-22T11:39:38.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
是，我們可以共同探討。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-22T11:39:38.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-22T11:39:39.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
謝謝董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-22T11:39:40.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-22T11:40:37.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
最後請教部長，最近我看到一些新聞，在風電這一塊，很多產業、很多外商決定要退出臺灣，除了多家德、西廠商外，法國政府100%持股的法國電力再生能源公司（EDF）也決定要退出，看起來臺灣的風電似乎走進了一個瓶頸，但是這件事讓我有一點納悶，我們風電場前兩期的開發經過了小犬颱風、丹娜絲颱風，這都是非常強的，而且丹娜絲颱風甚至到了14級、15級風依然安穩，看起來好像沒有一支風電的電塔倒掉。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.88 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-22T11:40:49.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:06.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
看起來水下基礎的技術也夠成熟，整個發電在冬季的時候也可以達到非常好的效率，怎麼會變成說現在外商覺得臺灣的投資環境已經…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:07.464000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:24.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
報告委員，不會，您剛剛提到第1期、第2期大概都要完成了，現在有退出的，比較有問題就是3.1、3.2某些廠商，說老實話，這個應該是跟當初的選商機制有一些關係啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.891 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:25.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:44.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我們現在3.3就會回到另外的選商機制，目前表達願意參與的廠商家數也非常多，包括國外的，有幾位都來拜會我，包括駐臺的一些代表，他們也表達很大的興趣，3.3的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:44.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:49.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
所以部長，你們對3.3案的推動有信心，因為這個風電我想…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.609 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:49.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:50.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我們會持續推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:50.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:52.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
我們整個政策是延續的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:52.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:53.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
延續的，沒有錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:52.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:57.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
而且縱使現在有在做核電重啟的評估…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:57.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-22T11:41:58.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
它還是會持續。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-22T11:41:58.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:03.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
但是它跟風電、跟綠電的產業政策並不違背啊！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:04.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:09.463000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
並不是說有評估這邊，風電這邊就要整個把它停掉，應該這是…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:09.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:13.466000+08:00 |
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沒有、沒有，我們會持續，我們3.3完以後，很快的3.4就會推出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:13.466000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:13.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
還是會推出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:13.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:14.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
還是會出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:14.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:17.408000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以政府在綠電的推動，我想基本上…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:18.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:18.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
會持續，會持續。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:18.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:19.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
持續嘛！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:19.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:28.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
而且我在說的，台積電它現在需要RE100，它在RE100需要綠電，RE100的要求，核電沒有在RE100裡面。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:28.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-22T11:42:34.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
核電沒有，所以現在臺灣的風電看起來，台積電就是買了一半以上吧？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-22T11:42:35.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-22T11:43:01.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
所以它有這樣高度的需求，那臺灣的綠電發展這件事情，我知道在野黨好像對綠電有很大的誤解甚至是批判，造成很多政策在推動上不順利，這個是感受得到，但是站在經濟部的角度，你們對於綠電的推動應該要有持續的力道繼續往前推吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-22T11:43:02.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-22T11:43:02.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
是，沒有錯，我們還會加強。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-22T11:43:04.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-22T11:43:16.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
好，未來希望部長在這部分，也許再找這些業者大家來聊一下天，然後瞭解一下到底他們現在遇到的困境是什麼。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-22T11:43:17.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-22T11:43:20.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
整個已經邁向成熟的政策不能讓它就這麼斷掉，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.565 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-22T11:43:21.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-22T11:43:21.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
不會、不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-22T11:43:21.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-22T11:43:21.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
主席（洪委員毓祥） |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-22T11:43:21.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-22T11:43:22.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
謝謝蔡易餘委員的質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
主席（洪委員毓祥） |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-22T11:43:21.210000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-22T11:43:21.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
接下來請張嘉郡委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.364 |