| IVOD_ID |
168724 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168724 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T11:13:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T11:30:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1be08e913ac5052da63812774c6aab6af4f2050ed7b2b649b9b6e307be05129615ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:13:55 - 11:30:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們請陳昌明委員質詢首先有請我們經濟部公部長請公部長 |
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陳偉豪部長好看看你總預算好像編得不錯但是發覺了一個重點稅日減少稅是增加了非常多那我看看你這個稅日的話你說減了9.49億只要是中鋼、台岩、漢翔等公司的股息紅利腳庫減少在 |
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我是說你一個經濟沒那麼大一步,你睡日收減淚9.11,你收經的就有了嘛 |
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中鋼因為大家也知道就是去年鋼鐵行情實在是不良那漢翔是因為他漢翔對金融會大賺錢啦沒有他被就是因為延誤先剔裂了這個所以這個節日減少要恢復到以前正常的水準這第二個代表我們傳統產業不好 |
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你應該要特別順 以前最乾淨的現在面臨很大的困難在好不好 今年狀況比較那你今年的稅稅預算一共變了1480億那一般支出裡面451億 |
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增加了112.73億 占所有我們算這個30.71那公共建設508.68億你們已經增淚了127.28億占所有預算的34.36那你科技發展 |
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17億佔所有比例將近35增累了大概114億我現在跟你來檢討一下在一般知識裡面第一個你的報告波比石油基金辦理自載家電的效率升級加入屋頂設備的太陽光電的家事計畫還有科技儲存的補治還有商業服務的節能設施 |
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我要跟你檢討一個問題家電的補助你們是補助給冷氣電冰箱對不對那個是家戶也有企業的部分你自宅家電嘛我看你的預算已經變成要一二十年 |
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每一年都在騙 每一年都要花這些錢那你的冷氣 你的冰箱裡面包括可能要電視你那幾十年內 它有發電條大概應該可以要絕世了因為我講這句話家戶的部分今年是最後一年 |
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我自己提醒 不能幾十年一直在補助啦兩區區的改善 冰箱的改善大概已經到了極致了啦該換的已經有換的差不多啦今年最後一年大家都滿意些 |
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再來啊你家戶屋頂我看到這世界很不公平台北六都的大樓林立啊你們現在都找非六都的話家戶型的用電我跟你講那個大樓用電的是他們最多的結果我看大樓都沒有在做太陽能如果大樓不做太陽能就把它搓碎來補治其他的地方 |
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所以新的建築物只要超過一千平方公尺的部分它就要強制性的應該把都市那邊好好加強啊那麼多的大王在台電很高興啊這個家戶屋頂設施到底現在誰在管理你又看到SWIFT基金是忠祐在管理還是台電在管理還是能念書 |
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我看到那個戰爭在打的時候,把電廠也打,氮化廠也打,所以家庭那個太陽能力這個實在在戰爭的時候會發揮很大的功效,再來 |
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你裡面有一個純潤的計畫辦理國家藥物潤潤的準備計畫這是要到底做什麼這個是衛福部管的怎麼會跑到你政治部來因為它是產業端藥廠的部分就是有關於那個學民藥的部分我們還是要有一些準備 |
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我是準備要戰爭萬一戰爭來了我看到日本都在準備戰爭來了你跟我講老實話是不是因為怕戰爭來的時候這藥物的運氣你在推動因為所有因為藥物事實上這個是重中之重啦就是說生活上的重中之重那是衛福部你今天不拿這樣來這今天也不會做我不會反對我只是問你的目的在哪裡啦 |
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對 就是說增強我們這個生產製造廠商你們經濟部哪一個在那邊出版應該是產業署吧產業署本來就要產業署的對 它是一個產業再來 |
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一般支持的預算就這幾個我請教再來公共建設預算你們一共變了508億佔了34.36這個比例非常高增加了127億我這台要請教水利市長 |
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你坐在那邊涼涼的啊我一直在追問我天花壺水庫你怎麼沒有編列預算你給我苗栗答應下來啦 |
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報告委員這個天旺水庫其實我們已經送到行政院他正在審議中好 請軍區部長沒有人敢做水庫只有苗栗敢做好不好行政院也非常支持這個方案因為計畫要先過才可以變好我相信我們部長你從國會會到現在你很會做計畫我相信沒有問題的我了解剛剛談到苗栗的即將移裡面 |
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霍隆的地區我也沒有想到煙那麼嚴重,這次很特別,我告訴你我在後面有那個在排到海的地方啊有一條水溝一直沒有辦法解決,沒有人要認那一條把它放大整個大概它排水量會失去那我想到這些問題你們應該在海邊那個水位要做自紅池 |
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苗栗的竹籃為什麼沒有淹得很厲害?因為我煮起了一個珠黃色,噢!這次大家就感冒耳淚了,真的講所以那個不要想著說怎樣,你在那邊海邊的土地非常的便宜去把它支,去把它買,做大的珠黃子,大水一來沖到那邊就把它留在那邊,就會消化得很快 |
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這是我的經驗我喉嚨頭暈的地區啊當然我曉得橋樑太低很多木頭這樣塞置那些塞置是造成這樣的影響那我為什麼會談 |
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你們的新竹海水淡化還有台南的海水淡化他們的海水跟海水相同海水都幾百億,幾百億下去那不是長久之道我當時很多人跟我講這個是虧本累累的但是你一直來拜託說那是乾旱的期間其實你都用自容詞 |
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一定可以解决这些问题 |
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所以你把效益算給我看你們到底要只用賺錢還是準備虧錢在等還是當初為了做這種有人請你們特別設計這種我現在就懷疑那你看這是伊朗跟以色列的戰爭淡水場是伊朗打以色列的第一個目標啊我們都要隨時準備未來的應用變化發展啊 |
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570.813 |
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報告委員 是不是這樣有關於那個治水下游做自動死的部分我找時間再來看看委員這邊指導方向我們會把那裡打進來我跟你講 講真的沒水沒水大水來不難打到你們蓋的那麼多其實那個非常重要海邊的土地又便宜啊 討好休息的蓋邊會去找委員這邊再來了解 |
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那我再來談好請回座你的公共建設裡面有設立一個全國循環專期試點及新材料循環產業延期一共60億這個準備打算做什麼 |
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617.358 |
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這次是大臨埔遷村大臨埔遷村高雄的那個大臨埔要遷村你還用大臨埔我以為你又有心了這個是大臨埔遷村要把那個地方改為這樣南部人有福氣的我們北部尤其苗栗都沒有人照顧我才會問這個問題我告訴你開始問一下好不好還要講地方創新今年編的七千五百萬 |
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622.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
634.776 |
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7500萬綠缺的地方創生共好的是要做什麼這個是配合配合三千的不是國發會他有一個這個地方創生的一個計畫那我們配合他有針對你剛才講這個 |
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637.818 |
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652.53 |
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這個我曉得 如果是配合的可以啦如果真的說地方創新太少啦我是很老實的講你國化會地方創新是只要你們的任務再來科技發展的預算請回座那個孫長你科技發展變成157億一共增加114億比例將近 |
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算所有預算的35%我不反對而且我是全力的支持因為這個世界很競爭高科技很競爭但是一定要選擇未來的項目要有關鍵性的產力我們才全力的去發展部長那現在我剛才要問請教的是依據產業技術發展需要及仇日前瞻技術應用這個真的很重要 |
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我那天看了一個新聞上一次日本來偷我們台積電的數量它叫做東京威力科創公司這個是日本的台積電現在日本政府要做二耐米已經要投資100億美金給這家公司 |
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731.798 |
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你們都不敢發聲他敢做二萊米一定有拿到我們的關鍵性的機制國家對日本自我投資100億美金發展二萊米而且準備很快就要量產 |
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我以前一直跟你們講 不會啦我們台積電就問了啦他那個機是沒有辦法成報委員他那個是Rapidus是他們日本本身的技術啦過去應該是從iPad過來的技術 |
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世界的競爭啊你不要講他說不然他怎麼要來這邊你們不要踢他某事啊 多了一本人你們卡著弄起來我跟你講這一下子投資100億但是他是我們的競爭對手沒有錯好不好我是覺得你們保護台灣不是這樣保護愛台灣不是這樣愛台灣 |
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773.78 |
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人家的技術盡量就不要吃雞 只有我們台灣一直在做焦慮做焦慮可以 技術要完全掌握在首領 是的 是的 是的 好不好再來 這個我看不懂你在中小及新創企業的科技裡面 增熱了1.25億 |
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主要是去大南方智慧雨林產業推動辦公室我看不懂,可能學運太差,什麼叫做智慧雨林你問我什麼叫做智慧雨林,還要大南方的智慧雨林,你告訴我 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
南部的中小企業比較困難 |
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那我們桃園新澤、桃園不講我們的新竹、苗栗、台中不講彰化、南投我們也是地方的中小企業也比較困難捐贏還比南部還困難你們現在整個都到南部去了你要不要跟我中南部設中部還是北部中間設一個你這名字寫得很好聽智慧與靈 |
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我不知道乙甲磷沒有什麼本性為什麼叫做智慧乙磷 |
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智慧雨林的意思是希望我們現在要強調中小企業的數位轉型也希望盡量不管再富裕再智能生產要智能化還有幾個不會遛都的你們要多多照顧啦他們台南高雄都是遛都內好不好中小為這個多元振興方案齁大家這個100億裡面事實上是全台灣是一起做的啦各位其實 |
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| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
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升級福島還有科技裝難還有中小企業這個我們都會全力支持但是地方發展要給它平衡一下然後一下子就好了我一般用的補治款裡面 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
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我一直強調的一點,無知來水地區大概我當議法委員的期間,我非常注重這一塊但是我今年看到你們編的無知來水地區供水改善的計畫第五期,才4.53億 |
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922.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
946.46 |
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啊 尖尖之水 那不夠的事啦 自來水很重要啦我那時都叫你們要編個五十億才能真正的解決問題啊它分成兩個部分 一個是 台水公司它是嚴管的部分那補助這個無自來水的地區啊比如說它可能是簡易自來水啦 或是什麼補助地方政府 |
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| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
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來實施的這些部分我還有很多地方想回答一下今年是21.2億啦你剛才看到4.53億那個是我們補助這個地方政府的一個潛力自來水跟很多的...這個是補助給地方政府的?對對對那我這裡21.2億這樣我勉強可以接受好好處理這一塊啦部長 |
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這個是得民心的一塊啦現在對於自來水非常重視好 謝謝阿 市長我這次淹水苗栗的好好解決想一些新的辦法你在中間把它結一段製紡紙哪邊弄一個製紡紙出來那水就不容易淹了啦想法要改變要創新 謝謝 |