| IVOD_ID |
168710 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168710 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T10:39:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T10:52:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1e64e2713addb5f3363812774c6aab6afdfea45507174d07910ab85f957d34f9a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:39:32 - 10:52:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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有請楊瓊英委員質詢謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言 我們再請部長請龔部長 |
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在我們討論AI新時代建設那國發會統籌了我們國科會還有最重要的經濟部 蘇發部一起來推動那我們也預計在2040年之前政府要投入1000億的資金來培植50萬的人才那麼同時要希望能夠創造的15兆的產值 |
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所以在115年我們這一年度的預算裡頭的編列是280億那包括了加上營業及非營業基金的特種基金的部分31億換句話說今年我們會投入311億比去年度的168億等於是增加了143億是84.8% |
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那換句話說就是政府也正式的進入到推動全面推動了AI建設的一個加強執行的一個階段那所以目前我們看到幾乎這個順利中心都數集中在南科國防中心還有北部但是如果要達成區域均衡的話呢我們知道在115年度的預算裡頭本需要請教部長 |
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中部地區是所有精密園區是所有的產業鏈最完整的最完整的所以這個有加成的一個作用所以本席首先要請教部長在115年度的預算裡頭你有分配給多少台中以及研究單位你們的規劃請報委員我想台中市以精密機械 |
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是重症所以它對於不管是AI的相關的設備也好或零組件也好或是未來五大信貸產業所有的零組件很多都是中部地區的廠商它進入研發提供的那我們會強化這個部分包括矽光子也是一樣將來很多的這些零組件 |
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都會是在台中地區來做你的西方子 量子電腦 智慧機器人無人載具 主權AI 算力建設智慧政府 資料治理 人才培育都必須是在中部地區而且中部地區最具備能力對 它很多都是需要機械的協助對 那請問115年度你預計你預算給中部地區怎麼做分配 |
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我們倒不是說一定說已經先由上而下分好 而是說我們是申請這個不是分好嘛 那你總是有你的KPI嘛我們鼓勵他來申請全力支持在中部地區來發展一定啊 因為他一定好 那尤其在無人機的部分對 |
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在無人機的部分這也是一帶連繫的一個產業鏈所以無人機的部分呢本席也希望你們現在只有本席希望是全台一起來啊常常忘記了我們的中部網 |
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你剛剛部長已經說了啊他是所有產業鏈的尤其是精密機器的重鎮啊不會 那個報告委員我們現在有一個無人機的這個產業聯盟二百六十幾家他的龍頭企業就是漢翔 |
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所以龍頭就是暗箱更要著重在我們整個中部的龍頭的一個帶動到全國甚至全世界啊所以每個縣市它都有它的角色比如說嘉義它主要是一個場域的部分但是聯盟的部分顯然這個龍頭廠商是在台中所以一定要往這個方向我們努力的來帶動讓這個AI機器人的一個驗證場域在台中整個蓬勃發展 |
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你認同嗎可以可以所以不管在資源或者是研究單位因為這個不只是硬體設備的部分軟體的設備人力的一個培訓都非常的重要所以我敬請政府全力的支持在中部地區的一個發展會的會的會的好那接下來我們再繼續討論水很重要翡翠水庫經過了7年這個議題給部長因為這個 |
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我們看到喔經過了一直在檢討7度的一個正式喊請台電也就是耗水率的問題因為每一年有5億嘛每一年有5億公噸的水那這個問題一直7度的韓文到底耗水率會不會給他們啦 耗水費啊這個5億噸裡面事實上如果以台電額外用的只有115萬 |
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只有115萬所以這個絕大部分4億多這個不是台電因為位差哇 那你台電必須要跟人家地方政府要講清楚喔你媒體也這麼寫人家給你這個指證的也是如此為什麼七度到現在還講不清楚那這有問題喔部長把這個問題部長把這個問題去理清楚你一直有講人家一直不清楚方法要改 |
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去把這個問題理清楚本席也不希望如此因為水很重要也不希望浪費掉我們也沒有浪費我們有一個共識點不要浪費那台電的董事長也在這邊你們去把它理清楚好不好不要讓社會大眾一直疑慮一直疑慮這不是我們民主政府應該 |
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要去解決啊 對不對不是讓民眾一直疑慮嗎要去解決 好不好專案去討論完 結果怎麼樣告訴這個資料給本席接下來本席還是要跟部長討論一個議題AI的運用 那我們看到中小企業因為中部地區也是我們中小企業最蓬勃發展的當然署長很努力 |
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也跟我們中小企業都一直在結盟在努力以大帶小以整個工會的一個立場去帶它裡面的會員所以我們陸續有一些這個成效出來了不管是AI人力的一個培訓我們幾乎一場次60個人是秒殺 |
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那他們也希望繼續我也很感謝我們譬如說譚雅神工商協進會還有我們碳排的一二十基的一個協會他們都願意努力這樣子去推動讓這個成效可以出來但是我們看到一個結果一個調查也就是你自己在去年的時候AI運用的調查你高達了93.1%的中小企業不準備招募AI的這個專業人才 |
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而且他願意在兩年內招募者僅有多少2.9%那跟我們心所願的似乎是背道而馳那為什麼會產生如此因為你們現在給的數字很好看但是不是實際因為你們說到深夜底輔導的2,058家WAR中小企業是達到91%有4,800家的中小企業要拚這個但是 |
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我們總共的中小企業有多少 167萬假如果以實際的數字那個是為乎其為啊對不對所以難怪你的調查結果是如此那麼現在似乎大家有一個印記也就是目前我們政府所推動的是只有在導入工具而不願真正的聘人那所以表示我們的結果還達不到我們的KPI我們的 |
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這個意願跟需求量所以部長本身要請教喔你們一方面說是給我們的數據是2000多家而已所以比例當然很高但是我們要實際面看到政治的問題167萬家的中小企業其實他真正願意要導入的是個位數是個位數 |
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他要導入但是他不一定會要聘用專業人才他可能他的因為他業務如果比較簡單的話他只要有一個APP他會使用就好他不要多聘請一個專業的人來做這個這個就是本期一直在討論的我們會分類我們對 |
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還好你最後講了一個分類我們不是只有碰到問題去搪塞問題啊而是你碰到問題面對問題去解決問題嘛是不是這樣子對不對你把它分好你去盤點好因為我們真正的除了剛開始 |
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不是只有運用AI而且還要真正的用AI的人才啊這個才是我們要一直培訓才能夠跟世界來接軌嘛是不是你盤點好給本席不要再去運用美化數字167萬家的中小企業我們 |
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竟然用兩千零多少加來說你已經達到91%那跟事實的現況是不一樣的啊我們要去面對事實的現況好不好我們才有辦法跟世界來接軌嘛來最後一個議題部長你在4月20號你還好你坦白說出了因為本席一直在跟歷任的部長在討論你的再生能源都未達標 |
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每一個部長都告訴我們真的沒有達標我們不希望的部長是每一次上台換人都跟我們說我的確沒達標這不是民眾要的你的問題你要去面對啊所以本期來跟你討論你是有時候你說了 |
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624.232 |
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那麼你在經濟委員會說最初的再生能源佔比20%今年11月份恐怕沒有辦法達成會再一次的來延遲那也特別說了它不是技術性的問題 |
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如果技術不行當然沒轍技術可以我們沒有辦法達成那我們更有精進的空間本席再次強調本席不希望每一任的部長上來就只有告訴我們坦白我沒有辦法達標這不是我們要的報告委員如果以裝置容量的目標我們是盡量可以達成的以裝置容量來講部長我們實質討論題 |
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那目前本席希望不要用意識形態來推政策地方的反彈 土地的爭議 環境的卡關 漁民的抗議 原民之傷電網不足 這一些現實的問題 譬如說光電你噴到農地 |
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餘溫 居民的反對 你要怎麼去處理離岸風電 你碰到融資 國產化 成本過高的問題 你要怎麼去處理地熱 又卡在灘幹風險跟原民的意願 你要怎麼去處理你不是一個政府只要喊目標 喊壓力 壓地方 壓民間 壓產業啊 |
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我們產業都在等啊你不是只有口號治國啊你現在目標都跳票你要把責任推給程序太慢社會共識不足就這樣子但是告訴我們的是技術沒問題我說裝置容量這個目標我們會盡量去推動這比較沒有問題財政人員的你20%你再度承認跳票那你接下來要怎麼辦 |
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你有沒有完整的去盤點 你接下來怎麼辦 請告訴我們我剛剛跟委員報告 就是裝置容量的部分我們設定出來的目標 我們盡量會去達成那您剛才提到的有一些挑戰的部分 我們會去一一克服剛剛提到的就是說你未來針對於足相 也就是土地問題電網問題 環評 融資 人民之商 地方的溝通你要怎麼去做 你如果沒有調整你的角度 |
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腳步制度你如果沒有調整還是一樣明年你還是告訴我們我還是沒有辦法達到我在這裡再次的強調我們不希望部長換了一個部長上來都告訴我們我沒有辦法達標所以你的制度方法要怎麼去改我還是強調裝置容量的部分我們可以達成要怎麼去改請你去盤點你的方案方法 |
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告訴我們好不好這個非常的重要要不然你到2030年你光芒你的光電31GW離岸風電的10.9GW地熱的200MW這些目標我們生怕又會跳票不希望跳票不會不會裝置容量的部分去改變你的方案好不好去改變你的方法達標成功好不好好的謝謝 |
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好 現在有楊瓊一人 |