| IVOD_ID |
168697 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168697 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T10:15:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T10:29:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1eb81ad7869d5eb0463812774c6aab6afdfea45507174d0791ee19b822c4e652d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:49 - 10:29:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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接下來有請謝依鳳委員質詢好 謝謝主席 我想要請部長請郭部長 |
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部長早安我想請教一下你們在115年度編列了210.57億對於國人用電就是在ESCO的部分那我想請問你這一筆預算要怎麼分配以及執行過去郭部長在講他說這個ESCO他是希望能夠用 |
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就是節省下來的電費來支付相關的廠商的服務費然後有致償性那現在是不是維持原樣以及未來要怎麼樣子來促進廠商跟這個節能技術服務單位的這樣子的媒合怎麼樣做呢 |
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包委員那個200多億主要它有幾個項目不是只有ESCO而已它還有再生能源強化電網韌性還有智慧電網等等一些情況那ESCO的部分是深度結盟那個部分那我們有補助廠商來做我是不是請那個署長 |
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跟委員報告那個補助廠商的部分就是我們現在有個計畫就是說未來他引入X口他如果有節電的話我們會相對給他一些獎勵措施那這個在今年預算有編列那編列多少那你怎麼樣做你怎麼樣子讓就是說讓那些技術單位去協助廠商呢協助我們真正需要的廠商來做這樣節能的那個方式呢 |
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他就是進去以後他會比如說幫他做節能診斷然後可能要做一些劑量然後他要去劃一個基線然後那你是不是有分區啊分區來做還是怎麼樣子做 |
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我印象是好像是我們是一個整個的然後業者可以來申請這個細節部分我會再跟委員一個報告好那你看你現在都沒有準備好是不是我們現在已經開始要審預算了你這相關的計畫以及你相關做到什麼程度你都沒有準備好是不是有計畫補足 |
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好 那還有我想要請問部長就是你對於波普石油基金辦理住宅的家電效率升級就是在家戶的屋頂設立太陽能光電可是你知道嗎 |
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現在太陽能光電目前有面臨到的第一個我們過去的就是說光電板是不是它的光電的發電的效率能夠足夠以及現在設立光電板會不會造成就是臨近的就是零幣設施的這樣子的一個抗議或者是申請那有沒有辦法達到相關的目標呢 |
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屋頂型爭議比較小啦當然就是說效率提升的部分我們技術上是持續在進行希望他那個太陽能板的這個發電的轉換效率可以提升那當然現在也有一些新的規定比如說將來新的這個比較大型的這個建築這個1000平方公尺以上 |
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事實上他必須要設置這個太陽能板也有這樣的規定那以下我們當然是用鼓勵的方式就用這個輔助鼓勵的方式那但是就是說你這樣子在加護設立太陽能板那有沒有難道能夠有助於就是說現在太陽能光電的這樣子整個在再生能源佔比的目標的達成嗎 |
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事實上我們現在整個太陽能的裝置容量事實上是屋頂型還超過地面型就是整個來講的話是屋頂型是超過地面型那在家戶呢 |
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家戶的部分家戶的部分是有很多的那個現在我們主要還是針對這個比較大戶的部分那我剛才特別提到家戶的部分如果是比較小面積我們是用鼓勵的方式用補助的方式 |
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那補助的方式會不會就是說當然我們要補助也希望說能夠提高發電效率嘛那這個部分你怎麼樣做啊因為你總是要讓加護的這個太陽能光電能夠達到一個目標嘛那你們預計達成的目標是什麼 |
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那那個署長咧 有沒有預計達成目標跟委員報告一下 那個小用戶的部分因為他面積比較小 他不像其他比較大面積的那你預計他達成你整個太陽能關電裡面的佔比的目標是多少我們現在 原來我們是屋頂型的全部是8G我們現在已經到10G了那我們還有繼續滾動檢討 把屋頂型的部分再加強 |
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我們現在要補助小屋頂就是因為小屋頂它的成本比較高因為它屋頂面積小施工比較麻煩所以我們有另外給它補助那另外如果是你自發自用型的我們還會加強補助就是鼓勵民眾去捨然後增強它自己的供電韌性那我是說你目標是多少嗎 |
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我們現在是你沒有目標是不是我們現在原來的8G已經達成了那我們現在已經超過了那我們後續會滾動檢討所以你希望就是能增加嘛對不對你要增加多少啊我們現在有在繼續檢討當中因為我們現在主力就是希望屋頂能夠多推一點所以你還是沒有想到就是一個比較明確的目標還是部長沒有給你目標 |
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因為他們原來設定的目標當然已經超過了但是現在就是能夠超過多少越多當然是越好那預計可以超過多少因為這涉及到就是說各個縣市那未來如果要推動這樣子的政策的時候那你相關的協助以及就是經濟部你的力道是多大我們再來規劃一下 |
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還有就是我看到了科專計畫增列了68.23億對於IC設計以及無人機關鍵技術的開發那我想請教一下無人機的飛鴻供應鏈裡面目前你關鍵技術的自給率目標是多少 |
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將來希望可以達到百分之百都可以自己做想要做百分之百就是自己能夠做當然廠商他也可以用飛鴻的零件都可以但是至少我們自己要能夠做那可是我看到你編列不會受到說人家不供應的時候我們產生困難這樣子那對我看到的是你們好像只有編列六點多億嘛這是一個整個項目嘛可是無人機的部分是不是 |
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因為無人機的部分事實上它是我們負責是一個統籌型的計畫但是它的預算不是全部編在我們經濟部不是在我們經濟部不是全部因為其他的部會採買的部分是編在其他的部會對可是經濟部也 |
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就是說我在問的是關鍵技術的部分因為經濟部對於他技術的協助以及就是說對於整個產業鏈是不是能夠有效的建立起來那我相信這是經濟部比較著重以及需要做的部分是 我們今年編的是技術的部分技術的是38億 |
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對是38億不是6億是38億是不是那所以你們希望達成的目標是整個我們無人機的所有的關鍵技術都可以自給自足對都可以自己至少能夠對於飛鴻供應鏈裡面那還有我們還有其他競爭的對手 |
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現在很多人都要跟我們合作 包括中東歐的國家 波蘭 捷克 事實上我們出口很多那現在連法國也要跟我們合作 都願意跟我們千年木屋來做一些合作因為他們知道台灣在製造能力跟量產能力是非常強的那未來我們量產能力呢 那對於產業的整個供應鏈 就是說產業的產值呢 |
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但是我們希望將來到400億那因為我們其實講到的無人機的就是飛鴻供應鏈當然不是只講就是我們講的還有一些是商用機嘛對不對包括商用機也有在商用不只有在軍工現在大家在討論的軍工的部分嘛其實有一部分也在商用的部分嘛是不是那在商用的部分就是說飛鴻供應鏈有它什麼立即點 |
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因為他還是要有資訊安全的問題啦所以能夠飛鴻的話當然這些國家也都願意跟我們因為他有些還是公務用途啊雖然不是軍事用途但是比如說警察的巡檢啊或者是水利設施的巡檢啊等等一些情況這些都是屬於公務用途啊 |
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所以我觉得就是说经济部那如果真的要协助就是说国内厂商然后以及相关的领主建都可以达到就是说都可以进入这整个全球的这个非红供应链的这个体系里面那我觉得那以目前经济部所做的那希望说你们能够真的达到百分之百因为从目前看起来好像离百分之百是不是还有点距离 |
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所以我們希望現在有幾個晶片的開發那剩下是在進行當然有一些有一些廠商已經在開發了我們就用業界科專來補助他們跟他們做一些合作那國內還沒有一些廠商這些技術上ready我們就請公務員先來做開發然後再寄轉給他們 |
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所以是用法蘭科專還有就是中小企業要導入AI這個部分其實中小企業還有非常大的疑慮因為第一個就是過去沒有接觸過或者是就是AI Data的資料庫建立上面不是那麼樣子的有辦法立即所以你們有編了144億請問你這個就是怎麼樣子協助中小企業導入 |
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北巴委員我們現在有一個所謂的這個競爭力的一些輔導團那大概有20幾個法人共同來參與那分的 |
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就是北中南東有分了四個區域事實上我們是主動的去了解中小企業需要怎麼樣設置轉型可是中小企業有一百多萬家是不是是所以我們有分區域那有需要的部分先做診斷等等一些情況那有一些中小企業說老實話因為他的業務事實上是比較單純所以用 |
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線上的這個APP就可以服務他們那這個戰友那我們會跟他的這個你會分別類會盤點好嗎會因為他們有一些只要需要他們在這個減碳的部分是需要減碳那我們就減碳跟這個數位轉型一起幫他 |
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事實上很多的中小企業是有這樣的我是認為你們應該要先分門別類因為目前中小企業對於政府要推動這個AI的導入的部分他們認為在協助上面好像沒有那麼立即沒有像過去在產業設備升級這個部分這樣子非常有立竿見影的效果那未來在AI導入的協助的部分那也希望我們經濟部能夠 |
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想出一個比較好的方式第一個如果在怎麼樣子的情況下什麼樣的規模情況下可以用APP的方式什麼樣情況下是由法人來共同協助是有分就是我們會了解這個廠商他事實上導入AI他還是有分等級 |
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他可能他的作業型他比較單純的可能就是比較單純的但是有一些是製造商他需要用AI的方式提升他的製造效率那我們就會請法人進駐然後改善他的製程對啊我們還是要把我們就是AI導入協助應該還是要救傳產以及就是我們中小企業為主好不好以中小企業而且分成44個次產業 |
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好 沒關係 因為時間超時態好 謝謝好 不好意思 |