| IVOD_ID |
168676 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168676 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T09:47:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T09:56:18+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1260926da07af7e9063685f3e6e8cff8529d978cd518bf5948a3d5adc657703f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:47:38 - 09:56:18 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請核能安全委員會主任委員陳明真列席就「我國海域放射性物質監測執行現況及未來因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。二、審查（一）委員萬美玲等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。（二）委員葉元之等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。（三）委員羅廷瑋等19人擬具「原子能法部分條文修正草案」案。【僅進行詢答；第(三)案，如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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有請陳明禎主委有請主委 |
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主委好 主委好有關重啟河山的作業全民都很關心那台電3月底送件包括換照申請再運轉計畫整體性老化評估實現老化分析報告相關中期安全分析報告運轉技術規範徵修內容 |
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輻射相關議題查核評估報告耐震安全評估說明我想請問現在已經進入了實質審查階段嗎那台電的文件是一次送集嗎有沒有需要補件那什麼時候會進行實地的查查這點我請高組長跟委員詳細說明 |
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跟委員說明剛才委員提到的都是法規要提交的文件那台電公司在3月27號先分階段先提出再運轉計畫那另外剛才其他的文件他後續才會提交出來那大概需要多久時間會把完整的文件提出來這個可能就要看台電公司現場執行的狀況所以看起來只提了你剛講再運轉計畫而已 |
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好 那請台電 真的這邊呼籲一下台電 |
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要做就盡量走全啦那台電接下來的相關的一個狀況也請我們那個主管機關能夠多加掌握那接下來基本上載運轉計畫的整備目標就把河山包括組織人力設備從停機狀態要整備回去停機前的可發電狀態對不對那 |
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再運轉計畫經核安會核定後那台電要執行並提出執行結果報告再由核安會審查那你們有沒有預定什麼時程會請台電來執行再運轉計畫嗎 |
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現在會裡面已經進行實質審查委員也陸陸續續提出審查意見那我們現在正在會診那當然過程中台電公司也可以先針對再引轉計畫剛才提到一些人員訓練等等那開始進行那會裡面在過程中也會執行現場的查證 |
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去確認說各項的作業有按照法規我問一個問題啊實地茶廠你覺得大概什麼時候會開始進行啊大概也是五月即使他現在已經開始做一些作業會裡面的同仁已經進行現場的查證了就是已經開始茶廠了嘛那我想請教啊當然電力就是國力啦我也坦白說 |
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錯誤的能源政策要改正熱建我一直都主張核電必須做我們的能源選項當然也要用最完整的程序跟嚴謹的標準來確保安全這是共識所以這一點需要核安會也要來把關但是國人也非常關注重啟的時程核電重啟過去國內外都有經驗 |
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我剛看我們的科資委員說這個韓國的核電廠要重啟三年都還重啟不了還沒完備所有的重啟的程序那我這邊也看到美國的也有核電廠 |
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那麼在2022年停止運轉2023年9月申請恢復運轉那2025年年底通過審查也花了兩年那只是通過審查而已那我覺得河安會有沒有預估一下說大體上我們的審查作業要花多少時間那兩年內有可能通過嗎有結論嗎 |
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跟委員說明這個當中還是涉及到整個設備恢復狀況以及那個會裡面的審查意見整個答覆情形那國外的情形也是確實是可以當作我們的參考但是確實那個案例不多所以都是以個案來處理所謂的案例不多什麼意思是兩年以上的多三年以上的多還是兩年以上的少三年以下的少 |
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跟委員說明剛才委員提到的2022年是Panacea那美國機組他也是進到處理的階段要申請恢復那目前為止還是在雖然去年在審查通過目前機組還在做一個準備作業當中還是有一些文件的品質現場設備要恢復等等所以其實真的要重新再運轉 |
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也還看不到其成嘛 對不對以這家 以這個電廠來說還是要看現場整個的設備恢復進行其實 其實喔 呃算你的回答跟我想要講的是相同的啦就你可以看到今天說要停一個核電廠很容易啦總統說停就停啦但是你今天要讓它再恢復 |
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那就是無比的一個困難然後很多的程序都要去做慢慢長路都要去進行 |
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那所以到現在為止你也看到我也覺得核安會你也為難啦時程你也答不出來那當然也不完全是因為你的因素跟台電也有關係嘛對不對台電整個作業整備的過程當中他到底像剛剛前面問的資料我們按照法規該提的資料其實台電好像也沒完目前為止沒有完全提出來嘛對不對那這個就是我們可以看到就是說 |
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任何政策你今天你要極性的去把它停掉是容易的但是你真的要再恢復所有人就難上家了那我舉個例子我其實過去這十年來真的是像狗廢火車一樣我覺得不斷告訴大家所謂的非核家園 |
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三個預言嘛 電力必缺嘛 電價必漲嘛 空污必增嘛我想請問我們主委 這三個預言有沒有多應驗確實核電有助於電價的穩定我們當時民進黨蔡英文總統說十年不大漲電價那也漲得一塌糊塗啊 所以一定會漲電價嘛 |
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那第二個電力一定會缺不電力不缺請問幹嘛我們核電幹嘛重啟啊對不對電力也是缺嘛就至少無法因應未來尤其像AI時代那種長期的電力的承載嘛沒錯吧主委是的對啊 |
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然後再來空污增因為你核電拿掉我們現在火力發電比重就大幅增加吧因為綠電配跟不上所謂的核電被拿掉的比重那就會要大幅依賴火力發電更何況電力還在正成長所以回頭又講一件事就是說今天其實是滿遺憾站在這個地方啦 |
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過去謝榮介跟我我們這些人狗飛火車十年終於飛到火車好像終於看到懸崖在前面願意改個道轉個彎那不管怎麼樣啦就是亡羊補牢啦時有未晚那也希望我們現在時程上可以看到還是一樣遙遙無期啊 |
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就政府已經承認政策是有問題的但是你只有知道要轉彎得多快像之前還問光合共人才斷層也是個問題不錯 沒錯吧 對不對對啊所以 |
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核電 核電廠的整個建設跟核能的一個政策的一個發展的過程當中其實國家是花了非常久的時間 將近半世紀的時間累積出成熟的技術 成熟的人才然後成熟的能源供應但只因為今天一個政治口號所有東西打破重來 |
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從來可以啦 請這個安全要顧到然後腳步也要加快以上 謝謝 |