| IVOD_ID |
168660 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168660 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-22T09:13:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-22T09:23:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5b5880b40c5769f1b7419dfdeb851a7963812774c6aab6af29d978cd518bf59488bd0bdca8ae0fe95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴瑞隆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:13:08 - 09:23:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於經濟部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款經濟部主管部分預算。
(以上二案僅詢答)
【4月22日及23日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝召委 請工部長工部長 早我先請教一下 這個政協會後然後中共宣布了十大的措施那這十大措施其實對台灣有什麼樣的影響我可不可以先請教一下 部長怎麼來整體判斷 |
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因為這十大措施其中只有大概只有一項跟經濟部比較有關就是什麼對於中小企業有一個什麼交易的事實上他寫得很模糊也不是很清楚他到底那我問一下部長主管經濟部的部長你也擔任國發會主委你怎麼來看待這十大的措施對台灣會不會有什麼樣整體性的影響因為事實上台灣現在來講 |
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以去年經濟成長率是達到8.68%今年可能超過7%對ADB最新的估計所以這幾年來甚至於是這五六年來台灣的經濟都非常非常好那也沒有受到什麼中國的會台的什麼措施的影響台灣本身已經走出自己很好的路而且從之前的很依賴中國到現在其實我們也因為中國很多的時候它的 |
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開放跟禁止 開放禁止之間其實是沒有太多的可遵循的一些依據的啦那往往可能政黨之間有一些談判或什麼的就四方他認為的利益多就丟出來所以其實對我們的很多的不管是產業或農業產品其實很多不確定性所以我們現在走向了國際的這個路線那依賴度也大量的降低跟中國之間的這個所以這個反倒是讓我們的經濟其實我們的股市也都上到了非常好的一個數字 |
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我們認為這是一個正確的道路但是我還是要問一下裡面我看到很多包括他設立很多的條件這個一二點是國共兩黨的什麼常態化溝通或青年的溝通那甚至於很多的都還要 |
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設定比如第五個所謂的這些農業產品還要建立在堅持在九二共識包括很多漁業的還要符合條件甚至於食品的註冊等等也要符合條件或者是符合什麼需求或者是連電視劇啊紀錄片動畫還要導向正確這些東西當設定這麼多條件的時候部長你怎麼看第一個它有真正的效果第二個是這樣的條件適合嗎 |
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事實上之前有些措施是它在2016年陸續本來都有已經開放的項目它都把它取消掉那當然是政治上的考量我剛才也提到了從2016年我們也從替代市場或分散市場也獲得了很好的成果所以它現在再次的開放的話那我們當然也不要設有條件是最好的 |
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因為原來就沒有那些條件他要給你停也不一定要什麼樣的具體的理由啦那他要開放的時候又設了一些條件那他要條件你無法達成無法那也是也是他說了算嘛所以就是說兩岸之間如果說可以有比較穩定的 |
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簽訂什麼樣的確定的合約就是政府對政府如果可以簽訂比較拒定合約而不是說單方面的就是說我今天說怎樣明天說怎樣那對於企業界來講是非常困擾的一件事那我問一下部長跟特定政黨接觸過後直接就放出這些東西出來你認為這樣它有沒有具有背後的一些政治目的 |
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我認為還是如果說政府對政府還是最好的方式一定要政府對政府嘛你再跟政黨談過任何東西你跳過政府跳過中華民國政府想要來跟談的話事實上這並不會達到實質上的效果所以還是必須政府對政府那我再問那這背後有沒有特定今年年底要選舉有沒有選舉的目的 |
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介入選舉的目的這個我就沒有辦法去預測但是我還是覺得就是說部長應該不是沒辦法預測是不方便回答啦我認為這個部分大家都看得很清楚啦他一定有背後的目的啦他想要去影響想要去試圖去干擾嘛所以我希望這一塊政府還是要更以審慎妥善處理一些作為啦不要讓這樣的產生對於整個不管是所有在政策上面或所有上面的負面上的一些效果 |
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我再來看一下其實我們這幾年經濟狀況其實相當好從去年剛剛提到了8.68到今年7甚至有稀微又更好這在台灣以這樣的狀況來說是非常不容易的包括我們的股市狀況所以我們現在走在一個正確的道路上那我們認為剛剛部長也提到我們的交流貿易不應該設有任何政治前提 |
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當你有涉有政治前提當你跳過了政府跟政府間的談判跟溝通跟交流的時候其實就會出很多問題而且它有可能形成是單一片面式的決定我是要給就給我是要停就停這對於我們來說是一個非常大的風險所以才會有所謂的養套殺這樣的狀況的出現部長應該同意這樣的看法吧是是是那我再問一下陸委會說他們掌握了情資中共動員以上逼證 |
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部長有這樣的狀況嗎這個我就不知道 略微才知道部長應該也有所那個那我們希望這些都是要審慎妥善去做注意的就是說我們還是必須要穩建住台灣是走在一條正確的道路上面那應該要想辦法讓國人更加的清楚堅定我們這樣的一條道路這才是一個比較穩確的道路那如果是透過政治的手段 |
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或者是透過有一些政治的目的的話應該讓國人更加的清楚對我們政府目前的方向正確的方向更加的有信心這才是台灣應該要走向全世界一條道路那不要受到特意的政黨或特意的政治的目的去干擾這反倒會影響到台灣未來長遠的經濟發展 |
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台北在抱怨說耗水費的問題然後應該要認為耗水費那我先問一下全國的電網是不是很多台北的供應那是不是應該要負擔所有的一些輸電的成本 |
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我們來看一下這個表啦齁台北市的發電量到了2025年2.9億度它的用電量164.1億度將近161度超支了這麼多而這些電都其他從外線送來的可能中部從南部送上來的這些所有的過程中都有輸電成本這個要不要計算進來 |
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我們當然是希望說所有的國人受到的待遇都一樣盡量不要用區域性來看這個但是這個也是希望那我問你部長這耗水費其實是大戶用的名詞並不是給他這樣用的全台灣也沒有一個水庫要收 |
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因為大用戶就是用水用比較多的這個大戶我們當然希望他可以就是這是耗水費的目的嘛不是給你利用這種少個名目來收這個錢的嘛那更何況是台北市的發電量遠少於他的用電量那你發電這麼少的狀況下你還要想要收這個耗水費這真的是 |
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所以部長覺得這個不合理吧那我另外要問的是那輸電成本的部分要不要計算一下 |
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輸電成本這也是台電重大的成本啊你為了光為了要把電送進去台北市花了這麼多錢這個要不要算一下是是是部長這要計算一下好不好你不計算人家就幫你幫你算了很多你他算他有利他沒有算到他讓國家為他付出多少成本他沒有算到台電沒有算到經濟部為台北市付出多少成本整天在算著這些我認為這已經佔了全台灣的便宜這麼多的人還用這樣的角度在思考我認為是非常缺缺乏格局也非常缺乏氣度的 |
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這個我請那個台電能不能計算給我 輸電的成本從中南部或其他縣市送進去台電要的成本可不可以給我 一個禮拜你可以把這個資料給我 |
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我們會估計一個數字但是也跟委員報告就是我們輸電成本依照現在的電價公式是平均全國平均啊 對啦但是你如果是在地有 你有你的電廠的話你當然可以降低成本嘛你電力要從南部送上來 中部送上來那成本絕對是高很多嘛這些成本算給我們至少當台北市的市長 首都市長缺乏格局講出這種話的時候至少我們要告訴他我們都還沒跟你算你的輸電成本花了這麼多錢台電為了這些花了多少錢 |
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所以我認為要講之所謂的耗水費的時候先來談談這件事情再來區別電價的部分我之前提過很多次了去年提過不應該南部發電然後其他部發電部分還有不同的電價至少對於發電的城市給予公平合理的對待就算少一點點也是一種對發電城市的一個尊重我提了很久了部長好像還沒有提出任何的評估報告給我什麼時候給我 |
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是,事實上我們有在算,然後他們也跟我報告了一下,但是中間還在持續的這個我們看一下啦,區別電價的部分,包括韓國,包括英國,德國都已經有評估報告出來韓國是暫緩實施,英國是沒有實施,德國沒有實施,至少人家有個評估報告出來,部長 |
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多久可以給我評估報告 至少給評估報告我沒有要求你馬上實施但是至少給我一個評估報告從去年講到現在 總諮詢講到部門諮詢都沒有什麼時候給我 多久今年做完啦 不能今年 我沒辦法接受這麼久因為台電公司有一個委託報告我不認為這個這麼困難一個月內可以完成嗎 一個月內給我可以嗎你們要不要給而已 我不認為你們手上沒有一個月給我好嗎 |
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好兩個月給我好不好我要一個看到一個評估要不要做不做是另外一回事應該區別店家的評估報告要出來因為其他國家都已經有出來了好好謝謝好謝謝 |