| IVOD_ID |
168655 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168655 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-21T12:21:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-21T12:39:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:19 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a5162d46ac0a8089d81c3ff4142b758e0b71058f854e4ac4c17ebd47c7b52fb7bb2b46c06798901d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:21:33 - 12:39:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「針對開放印度移工來台，國人深感憂心，要求行政院院長率相關部會首長向立法院提出『開放印度移工來台對我國整體勞工政策與社會治安的衝擊及相關配套（含強化國與國直聘制度及失聯移工強制遣返機制）防治作為』專案報告，並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等4案。（4月17日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月17日）三、邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長列席報告「115年度中央政府總預算案」編製經過並備質詢（含志願役軍人加薪及警消人員退休金等預算編製處理情形併予報告）。（4月21日）四、4月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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法定人數不足 |
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謝謝主席,麻煩請院長以及經濟部長主計長 |
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等一下主席我問一下因為剛剛我有觀察那個林德福委員質詢的時候都等那個所有官員上來才開始計時好那 |
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在今年1月 主席總署依照2024年在野黨所提出的財化法修正內容公布新的財力分級 台東從第五級被調升為第一級當時我和我們台東縣長饒慶林聽到都非常的錯愕 |
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那我们台东这几年并没有挖到石油也没有挖到钻石没有挖到金矿可是呢我们财力一直都相当吃紧的这个台东却摇身一变变成和台北市一样的财力等级我们大家都感到非常的不可思议 |
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那財化法呢這一次他只依照這個人口還有土地面積去試算分配的稅款沒有考慮到土地管理的成本也沒有納入縣市基礎建設還有這個歷史投資的發展情形所以導致這個整個這個財力分級的結果呢 |
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就是說跟我們的現實狀況有非常嚴重的落差台東的地形狹長從北到南總共有176公里但是我們在這176公里當中我們只有一家的區域醫院而已也就是我們的台東馬街台東我們沒有高鐵 |
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沒有捷運也沒有高速公路但是我們有最多的颱風還有地震以及土石流所以不論是在醫療 交通還有教育等等還有所有的基礎建設上我們台東其實都遠遠不及其他西部的縣市更別說我們跟台北是把它畫上等號了 |
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現在被列為跟台北市同樣的財力對台東來說我們既吃緊又是一個很荒謬的狀況在我們台東財力被迫調為第一級之後支應政策計畫的自籌經費大幅的提升我們來看一下以衛福部、交通部這九個計畫為例社會安全網、身心障礙者服務 |
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以及育嬰長照改善人行道安全提升這個生活圈道路等等這是我們所有民眾直接最有感的這個最直接的這個政策那麼在財化法之前呢台東縣 |
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只要自籌負擔2.4億元但是在財化法之後呢自籌款暴增到14.7億元整整增加了12億之多那以台東的財政狀況根本就無力負擔那我們再看在上個月的3月25號呢 |
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特别就是武汉庄瑞雄委员也安排了我们饶庆宁县长针对了这九项计划拜会了卫福部 交通部那也非常感谢池崇良部长还有陈世凯部长协助我们台东来解决这个困境所以今天本席在这里在针对台东的治水经费还有民生用水的经费来特别请托各位帮忙我想在这边举几个例子 |
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在去年山陀兒颱風期間我們台東太馬里溪水暴增京豐鄉一度緊急撤村那如果沒有及時的應變我們搞不好會跟花蓮馬灘一樣真的很不敢想像 |
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而且我們再來看這個太平溪的狀況太平溪是縣管河川那在這個影響的範圍它不會只有台東市而已它還包括了卑南鄉那在去年7月當那次颱風入侵青台的時候太平溪的水位我們去看其實已經逼近整個這個堤防的高度了那整體情勢也相當的危急 |
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所以在不久前呢我和饒靜妮縣長有特別到現場去關心整個疏菌的進度目前我們已經清除了61萬立方公尺的沙石那經費也花了1.5億元那是這個 |
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我想這些都是救命錢而且是非常需要中央的協助那我們在這個台東治水的相關建設上不管是這個蓄水防洪或者是排水各項的基礎設施都遠遠不及台北市 |
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那但是在財化法修正之後我們財力被活生生的跟台北市畫上等號之後呢台東在這個治水相關的這些計畫當中竟然拿到中央補助是零一毛錢都沒有那這是非常不合理的情形 |
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我們再看一下這張是達仁鄉我們的新興社部落他們為了爭取自來水鹽管整整努力了9年雖然後來有獲得水利署2500萬元的補助可是工程卻一再的流標前後高達了8次在歷經種種的困難之下我們 |
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才终于完成了这个部分的问题那我们也再多举一个例子我们看到来到这个泰马里的这个多良龙部落 |
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過去這裡並沒有穩定的水可以使用那因為條件它不符這個沿管申請的規定只能依賴簡易自來水的系統那這些簡易自來水的系統不管是這個設施建置的前後甚至這個後續的這些維運都需要政府來持續投入這個經費的協助 |
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所以我們回到這個名山用水的整體情況來看台北市的自來水普及率高達99.83%幾乎是百分百了那幾乎全面覆蓋反觀我們台東只有83%點多是在全國縣市裡面是倒數第三名 |
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那像這個自來水鹽管或者是簡易自來水補助在台北市根本就不會出現這樣的需求所以對台東來說卻是最基本也是最關鍵的民生支持我相信我們台東人跟台北人一樣都配自來都應該要配有這個自來水來使用 |
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那在這個治水跟民生用水的建設我們今天花很長時間我把那個整個脈絡都交代得很清楚在財化法之前台東只需要負擔一千多萬可是在財化法之後台東需要負擔的金額變成五億多 |
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所以不論是治水 民生用水的經費我們台東都非常需要中央的協助所以今天特別在這裡 懇請院長幫幫忙因為這些建設對我們園鄉整個台東其實 |
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都特別原鄉都是非常重要建設所以我們是不是可以依照這個中央對直轄縣市的政府的補助辦法的規定來把它列為原住民族重要建設計畫讓補助也都可以維持原來的比例 |
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首先跟委員報告 依照現在今年這個現行的財化法中央的統籌分配稅款多給地方撥給地方4165億那以台東來看 台東今年的中央你說給台東多少208億去年是60億 前一年是60億所以這一年是增加了140億增加140億那為什麼會從第5 升為第1級 |
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就在這裡因為財化法的計算就是剛剛委員提到的他用人口啦土地啦這樣來算沒有把土地的管理成本把人口的結構都算進去用這樣的來算會讓土地燎原浮擴的這個台東增加很多所以現在的財化法是不公平的院版提出的財化法大院等會來審查那就不會產生這樣的結果 |
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但是我們現在今年必須依照現行的裁判法那在地方台東多了140億的中央統籌分配稅款的情況底下剛剛委員所說到的那個治水它是三年五億的經費一年大概1.7億 |
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那供水也是幾千萬所以有些供水的計畫是台水在做的那如果同樣的條件一年增加140億的中央統籌分配稅款但是治水的一年的1.7億由地方來負擔我想是院長其實我了解知道您今天一定會這樣回答 |
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唯一的答案這個回答我其實都有掌握好多可以預期但是我要提一下就是說其實在台東我們一個颱風來之後可能還沒處理完後面又好幾個颱風又接續一直來可能前面清了可能也有可能做白宮 |
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但是我還要再提一個概念就是說台中整個我們縱觀整個醫療交通還有各項建設的這個還有的補助政策的推動其實不是說這一年多給我們一百多億我們可以立刻就迎頭趕上其他的縣市或者跟台北畫上等號因為我們是長年累積長年累積我們如果真的要量化你每年用這個一百多億你去給它算 |
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加起來這幾十年的落後也是快要上百兆幾十兆上百兆的落後了所以我想以這個我想用整個的這個概念方向去看我還是希望就是說 |
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院長我們不要只看部會提高的標準現在的裁劃法是不公平的我們要努力把它讓院版的裁劃法如果能夠實施就不會產生這樣的現象中央就會保留比較大的彈性跟能力來協助地方做均衡的發展 |
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好 所以我希望既然有這個不公平的現象那我們在這個中央對直轄縣市的這個政府補助辦法的第三條它還有一個彈性就是不管是零幣性質或環保設施工程或者是原住民重要建設計畫以及這個專案 |
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這個經行政院核准這邊有一個彈性空間那我希望既然是一個不公平的前提我就希望依據這個規定我們來給台東來開一個可以救命的彈性空間這個方向我們可不可以往這個方向來處理 |
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這個我請主席長來說明中央是有一些調解的能力是 跟委員報告我們像今年的話115年我們就是原則上會保障就是說你各項補助包括一般性的補助包括統籌分配稅加起來三項不低於114年度所以這裡面你如果說你各項加起來低於114年度的總額度我們會再幫你補足 |
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所以這個部分這是第一個那第二個原民的部分當然是有比較特殊考量但是問題就是說還是要看你自有裁員的一個能力這個部分來做一個斟酌所以究竟是不是能夠再特別給予補助就是會有一些條件的一個 |
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我們每個部會都希望也非常感謝石崇洋部長跟我們的交通部長可以一起了解他們有些盤點 |
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有協助我們跟縣府一起盤點那我想這樣的空間我們一起來努力那我另外還有兩個問題就是說那個我們組織長可以先請回接下來我們請那個衛福部然後經濟部長請留步衛福部長 |
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1982年是政府這一年很特別是政府沒有告知蘭嶼島上居民來欺騙島嶼族人將近10萬桶的這個核廢料把它運送到蘭嶼去那後來呢 |
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又这个蓝宇呢作为这个核废料储存地对于这个蓝宇居民的整个健康文化环境造成非常严重的影响破坏了他们在他们的这个传统生活方式跟环境我想这一段历史对于这个达物族人的伤害目前仍然在持续当中 |
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雖然當時不是我們執政但是針對蘭嶼居民的健康問題政府是一體的所以政府本來就應該要重視而且我們要持續來負起這個責任並且提供協助但是我想在此之前我先請教院長從1982年到現在請問院長總共做過幾次健檢對 |
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那我要查一下健保快易通好那沒關係那8年內這8年內或這近4年您做過幾次健檢 |
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對起碼超過一次吧有有有但是我們政府在2018年間賴清德總統擔任行政院長的時候通過這個蘭嶼居民健康檢查服務只有一次性而已所以距離現在已經相隔8年了那在去年5月我在這裡提出質詢的時候院長當時有指示說 |
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這是你說的啦齁那時候你當院長你說那個健檢健檢不能忽略那會責請相關單位設法支應經費立刻執行但是一年過去了齁我一直在這裡追蹤這個案件那這次健檢規劃的經費大概是9000萬元左右本席是很擔心啦說是不是因為總預算一直沒審啊所以蘭嶼居民的健檢一直都沒有好消息 |
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所以到底是怎麼樣?沒有問題,它經費來源是核貨端基金來支應的那這個整個案子我們報告行政院應該很快就會核了 |
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好 |
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同樣一樣是去年五月初那本期在政政院長討論新建藍營醫院的事情那時候院長有講說之後土地的問題解決就編列相關經費然後完成新建 |
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那新建藍營院的企劃不會在今年10月的時候目前這個國發會長達州目前大概就是用地的問題只有這個用地的問題那這個月在藍營招待公司會的時候新建營院的基地實施的時候真的不快是因為那藍營相找我們之前相找他們說你們是用架構第一的方式做一年這就30年了 |
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那我想在這個目前新建的醫院已經在活發廢了那如果工地未能解決新建的藍營醫院的地方請建省讓我們沒有相關計費可以再進行綜合來解決組織組織組織的問題解決之後其他的一些經濟不適辦的不適辦事業的情況等等如果順利預計 |
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好 謝謝謝謝陳委員 謝謝卓院長 |