| IVOD_ID |
168654 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168654 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-21T12:05:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-21T12:21:26+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
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| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:05:37 - 12:21:26 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「針對開放印度移工來台，國人深感憂心，要求行政院院長率相關部會首長向立法院提出『開放印度移工來台對我國整體勞工政策與社會治安的衝擊及相關配套（含強化國與國直聘制度及失聯移工強制遣返機制）防治作為』專案報告，並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等4案。（4月17日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月17日）三、邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長列席報告「115年度中央政府總預算案」編製經過並備質詢（含志願役軍人加薪及警消人員退休金等預算編製處理情形併予報告）。（4月21日）四、4月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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請林德福委員質詢 |
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謝謝大會主席江副院長是不是請卓院長還有財政部長以及內政部長卓院長、莊部長還有內政部長請備詢 |
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蘇貞昌議員你好其實這段時間我在立法院也算資深的我希望你身為全國的最高行政首長要把經濟擺第一而且 |
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兩岸要和平要求所有行政官員甚至於從政的人要清廉國家才有希望這是最基本最基本你都知道那因為我想這段時間因為本席一直認為說我們立法院通過的一些三讀的法案 |
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當然行政院你到最後就是互議不然就不互贖不然就釋憲等等講實在話 |
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我們是希望說你怎麼將這些法案你要是說有疑義有問題可以做進一步的來探討用這種方式才造成說今天我們有一些本來年度應該要通過的預算到現在為止還在拉扯為什麼我相信你們應該要好好的去檢討我不希望說你 |
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那種操作方式有一點變成說我可以為所欲為你是全國最高行政首長胡國立民是你應該要做的那其實這些所通過的法案第一個你很清楚嘛剛剛黃孟愷有問過 |
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軍人加薪為什麼現在很多軍人他們不願意當兵不願意做這個就是職業軍人都有問題嘛而且你很多那些已經退休的軍公教你來停砍他的每一年砍 |
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來砍他的年金然後等等啦我相信你也很清楚啦那其實這些問題是應該可以做溝通怎麼做最理想那其實退休以後的這些不管是警察、警消、公務人員其實他們退休 |
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越久年紀越長他們發揮的費用越多第一個要生病要看醫生第二個要請外傭你要是說我今天年改我針對未來你要新進的人員那我們OK可以支持但是你不能說我們台灣的話叫做後怕是在講話對不對我相信你也很清楚 |
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當初要年改的時候是軍公教勞為什麼只砍軍公教勞為什麼每年補我不是說勞補不好問題是軍公教為國家付出多少但是退休以後你再來砍他的年金勞一直撥補你說這些軍公教包括警察警校他們做何感想 |
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因為勞工的所得一向偏低,再調整的話,生活更痛苦我是希望說,印度將心比心啦是我們今天如果說,你像台軍公教,警察警校,退休之後再去台你今天如果做一個軍人好,做一個警察好 |
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你作何感想?你怎麼會覺得說我什麼退休之後再來給他抬?兩句話,第一個年改是為了讓現職的公務員未來可以有一個安定的生活跟退休可以過第二個再怎麼年改的調整不會影響到已經退休公務員他的生活物價一直在漲 |
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你每年砍他年金第一點接下來他年紀越長他經常要看醫生要看病要花錢再來要請外傭花費的越多你又砍他年金你要是說今天我立了法以後針對未來我們可以支持 |
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那我們從最高齡者的各種社會福利政府也一直在加碼在支持那個會有一些相對性的那個院長那是兩碼事你不能針對已經退休的公務人員跟警察減輕高齡者的負擔做了很多的工作所以替代率降低到60%這個是當時 |
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年改的一個做法也經過釋憲他並沒有任何的問題現在持續的往下走就是這個樣子那我們認為國家的經濟環境在調整如何來反映整個物價波動的是可以討論的如果這個大家可以有理性討論在這個國家財政的永續經營上我們認為兩院可以好好來討論這個事情 |
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我是希望院長這方面你真的要好好的探討因為我認為要公平公正客觀合理讓大家能夠接受我接下來請內政部跟財政部因為我們永和有一個行政園區有一個公辦都跟在內政部已經卡關多年 |
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本期是希望說今年六月前內政部都市計畫委員要卸任以前能夠有一個結果因為好幾年了在行政園區進行都更是公辦的那預計使用我們永惠一條水源街是國軍戰務中心作為臨時的一個中繼的一個辦公場所 |
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那本期在去年有開過一個會刊那在會刊的時候國防部軍備局跟財政部國產署都同意只要新北提出這個分歧架構那其實新北現在也提出他們願意來分歧架構本期是希望說財政部跟國防部能夠承諾在新北市要提出只要提出需求那這個來分歧編列 |
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這個財政部跟那個國防部這邊來配合那個部長國防部嗎對啊不是啦財政部啊委員您提的那個永和園區那個清北市政府要做架構因為就我所知那一塊土地應該是國防部 |
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原來列為的引改基金的資產那這個部分如果地方政府有需用的話我們會在符合法令的情況下來做辦理對啊他已經要編列啊你們要配合啊啊那個都更公辦都更那個部長公辦都更的程序啊對啊那個已經好久了不會不會因為都市計畫委員變更而有變更所以按照公辦都更的程序我們還是會為什麼拖那麼久呢部長 |
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我剛剛財政部長已經有跟您報告過了公辦都更對公辦都更跟這個園區是沒有關係跟這個他現在要做行政園區的這個這個完全脫鉤不一樣 |
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因為他那個是就是國防部的賬戶中心他那是要徵收但是他那個公辦都更是永和區公所旁邊的分局國務紀念館包括後面所有的土地大概差不多應該有兩千多坪有而且已經提出N次了啦你們到現在為止都沒有都沒有一個下文沒有一個結果 |
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我們會按照公辦都更的程序來辦理如果你認為會拖延的話我們再來查一下說真正的原因是出在什麼地方對啊 因為你一拖再拖又拖我是希望說在競技裡面應該有一個結果給當地的民眾有一個交代好不好 |
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那本席也關心國土永續發展基金這個整個預算編列的情形115年將移撥101億元來達成法定的目標那國土計畫實施後10年 |
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這個移撥總額不得低於新台幣五百億元那在五百億撥補達標後請問內政部長未來一一六年國土永續發展基金撥補金額是否會大幅度的降低會不會很有可能 跟國務院報告那個國土計劃法其實已經在立法院通過要往後連六年嘛所以國土計劃是屬於基金預算的話它未來的這個實施呢那計劃大概會大幅的減低 |
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聽聞說116年起內政部要把自來水會、電會、額外收取國土資源永續的利用會本市就是希望說行政院要考量民生物價做好對外的溝通部長你有沒有針對這方面的一個想法 |
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報告委員到目前為止我沒有聽過這樣的說法因為無論怎麼樣你要徵收任何經費這個是屬於一定要經過很多的審議的程序絕對不是行政部門單一說法說過了就過了不可能這麼的希望如此一定會審慎來辦理 |
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根據立法院預算中心的資料內政部數位升溫證政策到一一四年七月底已投入金額七億七千萬那政策行卡後扣除已經支付設備之折舊費用 |
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1.79億以後內政部需補償中央因智場差不多3.32億我請院長這邊說明數位升溫證的政策換花計畫是我會繼續下去 院長 |
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過去研議一段時間因為社會上有各種不同的意見所以這個是停下來了不過我還是認為按照整個科技的進步跟整個我們需要引入更多的科技的服務未來不時成為一個必須再重新考量的一個過程 |
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當然當中過去大家提到的人權、個資等等的保護因為有更好的技術來做防護,我們應該有好的能力所以我覺得這個部分是有必要在廣聽各界的意見應該要有往這個方向走的一個想法才對那我要請問,1.15年資印中央印製廠於暫緩期間維護會用的編列4875萬元,預計未來還要再編多少年? |
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難道每年都要這樣編嗎不是 報告委員我想我們這個跟中央印記廠跟相關單位講好我們大概是分年啦把原來我們要停止這個數位身份證之後需要還給他們的這樣子的經費再按年還給他但是不是每年都這樣編這樣齁 我希望就是不要每年這樣編啦 |
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那關於這個長照特別扣除額12萬元今年提高到18萬許多長照家庭還是覺得講實在話政府照顧不足根據勞動部調查外籍家庭看護工這個平均的薪資是2.4萬元一年下來長照家庭至少要28萬8千 |
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為了讓長照家庭有更多喘息的資源本席我是希望卓院長勞動部、衛福部要求他們包括財政部要檢討2028年以前提出修法的版本將長照特別扣除額應該要提高到28萬因為事實上就是最少要28萬 |
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對不對 他有那個支付你又不讓他做這樣一個控制因為從12萬調高18萬已經增加了50%但是人家確實有需要啊對 我們可以從其他方向一直在增加整個對長照的一些費用我們也可以來做 但是一下子增加這麼多必須考慮到國家的財政能力 這倒是真的不能在這裡老是一個案子出來就砰很大 |
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我們認為對長照的照顧我們現在已經長照3.0 1153億相當多了那我們會認為該增加的還是要增加那必須檢討過去這1000多億使用的內容我們合理的來做適度的調整那其實齁有的不是一個家庭只有請一個外籍照顧照顧光年因為有時候他父親母親都臨長了 |
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結果他是請兩位啊你一樣是讓他扣這樣子講實在話啦我們是根據務實的你像我們的基本工資調整幾乎都是給外勞因為本國的勞資勞工幾乎都是比那個高一些結果都是調到外勞啊真正都是外勞受益啊本勞呢他幾乎都是你一樣有啊我調到三萬啊啊三萬幾乎都是都是外勞拿走啊本勞本來就有超過三萬啊 |
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對不對委員並不是都指甲外本勞其實蠻多也在基本工資附近所以調基本工資對本勞尤其是低薪的本勞多數啦 |
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多數 因為你條越高外勞當然越高興啦對不對那個我另外再齁 近年那個毒價事件頻傳啦為了嚇阻喪屍煙彈的犯案法務部於113年11月改為二級的毒品根據尿液篩檢的資料顯示113年啦 一共檢出有2779件114年啦 檢出2萬 |
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零七百二十七件包括一一五年一月就檢出了兩千零六十四件那據了解台灣境內的喪屍煙彈原料絕大都是從印度那是不是請法務部要加強 |
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這個跟印度合作杜絕這些毒品的這些與境外因為你要是沒有這樣做的話包括像二級毒品啦大麻等等也都一直在這個甚至有九成台灣民眾反對大麻合法化部長你們有沒有什麼看法因為你總不能說那個毒越來越猖獗然後你們都沒有拿出方法來 |
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跟委員報告那個大碼絕對不會給他合法化那個也是一個加強我們那個查緝重點的一個安具企圖方案的一個重點查緝的一個項目那這個這部分集結大碼這部分我們在有白領階級有一個使用的一個現象那我想這部分我們會用專案的來查緝來遏制 |
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我是希望說這些毒品都患難會造成很多社會上的問題因為我們經常看到電視像很多吸了毒以後人家在斑馬線上把人家撞死這種狀況皮皮皆是一定要杜絕要緩緩如何來處理 |
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林委員德福 |
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謝謝大會主席江副院長，請卓院長，還有財政部長以及內政部長。 |
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卓院長、莊部長，還有內政部長請備詢。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:07.140000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:20.607000+08:00 |
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林委員好。 |
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0.25 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:20.607000+08:00 |
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卓院長你好。 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:22.650000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:26.356000+08:00 |
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卓院長，其實這一段時間，我在立法院也算資深的……是。 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:27.257000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:45.315000+08:00 |
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我希望你身為全國的最高行政首長，要把經濟擺第一，而且兩岸要和平，要求所有行政官員甚至於從政的人要清廉，國家才有希望。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:45.615000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:46.015000+08:00 |
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是，這是最基本的。 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:46.636000+08:00 |
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最基本的，你都知道。是。 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:06:50.197000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:07:29.926000+08:00 |
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我想這段時間本席一直認為，我們立法院三讀通過的一些法案，行政院到最後就是覆議、不然就不副署、不然就釋憲等等，講實在話，這些法案你要是有疑義、有問題我們希望可以進一步的來探討，用這種方式才造成我們有一些本來年度應該要通過的預算到現在為止還在拉扯，為什麼？ |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:07:29.926000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:07:39.736000+08:00 |
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我相信你們應該要好好的去檢討，我不希望你用那種操作方式，有一點變成可以為所欲為。 |
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0.973 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:07:39.736000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:07:44.482000+08:00 |
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你是全國最高行政首長，福國利民是你應該要做的。 |
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0.905 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:07:45.723000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:08:03.116000+08:00 |
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其實這些我們所通過的法案，第一個，你很清楚，剛剛洪孟楷有問過的軍人加薪，為什麼現在很多軍人他們不願意當兵、不願意做職業軍人，都有問題嘛！ |
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0.918 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:08:03.457000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:08:19.466000+08:00 |
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而且很多那些已經退休的軍公教，你來砍他的年金，每一年砍等等，我相信你很清楚。 |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:08:20.948000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:08:26.973000+08:00 |
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其實這些問題應該可以溝通，看看怎麼做最理想。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:08:27.773000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:08:48.644000+08:00 |
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其實這些退休以後的不管是警察、警消、公務人員，他們退休越久，年紀越長，他們花費的費用越多，第一個生病要看醫生；第二個要請外傭。 |
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0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:08:48.644000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:02.373000+08:00 |
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你要是說今天年改是針對未來新進的人員，那我們OK、可以支持，但是你不能說……我們臺灣話叫做「虎拍死才講價」，對不對？ |
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0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:02.373000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:03.334000+08:00 |
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我相信你很清楚。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:04.814000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:13.081000+08:00 |
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當初要年改的時候是軍公教勞，為什麼只砍軍公教，勞為什麼每年補？ |
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1 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:13.081000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:22.670000+08:00 |
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我不是說勞補不好，問題是，軍公教為國家付出多少，但是退休以後你再來砍他的年金，對不對？ |
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0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:24.491000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:30.917000+08:00 |
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勞一直撥補，你說這些軍公教，包括警察、警消，他們作何感想，對不對？ |
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0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:31.574000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:35.337000+08:00 |
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因為勞工的所得一向偏低，再調整的話，生活更痛苦。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:36.198000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:39.941000+08:00 |
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我是希望說，院長，將心比心啦。是。 |
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0.846 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:40.322000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:52.271000+08:00 |
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我們今天如果說你只有砍軍公教包括警察、警消，退休之後再來砍，你今天如果是做一個軍人也好、做一個警察也好，你作何感想？ |
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0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:52.671000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:53.292000+08:00 |
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你也會覺得說…… |
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0.833 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:53.292000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:54.292000+08:00 |
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兩句話回答委員…… |
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0 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:53.672000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:54.992000+08:00 |
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為什麼退休後再來砍我的退休金？ |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T12:09:55.793000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:07.557000+08:00 |
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兩句話，第一個，年改是為了讓現職的公務員未來可以有一個安定的退休生活；第二個，再怎麼年改的調整，不會影響到已經退休公務員的生活。 |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:09.597000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:29.459000+08:00 |
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物價一直在漲，你每年砍他年金，第一點，接下來他年紀越長，經常要看醫生、要看病、要花錢，再來要請外傭，花費得越多，你又砍他年金，你要是說今天立了法以後是針對未來，我們可以支持，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.936 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-21T12:10:30.840000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:36.265000+08:00 |
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對高齡者的各種社會福利政府也一直在加碼、在支持，這個會有一些相對性的…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:37.226000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:42.772000+08:00 |
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院長，那是兩碼事，你不能針對已經退休的公務人員跟警察、警消…… |
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0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:43.372000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:56.841000+08:00 |
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我們就是在減輕高齡者的負擔做了很多工作，所以替代率降低到60%，這是當時年改的一個做法，也經過釋憲，它並沒有任何的問題，現在持續的往下走，就是這個樣子。 |
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0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T12:10:57.662000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:11:04.508000+08:00 |
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我們認為國家的經濟環境在調整，如何來反映整個物價波動的幅度是可以討論的。對啊！ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-04-21T12:11:05.189000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:11:12.095000+08:00 |
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如果這個大家可以有理性的討論，在國家財政的永續經營上，我們認為兩院可以好好來討論這個事情。 |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:11:13.021000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:11:21.625000+08:00 |
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院長，我希望這方面你真的要好好的探討，因為我認為要公平、公正、客觀、合理，讓大家能夠接受。 |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:11:23.186000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:12:12.744000+08:00 |
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接下來請內政部跟財政部，我們永和有一個行政園區的公辦都更在內政部已經卡關多年，本席希望今年6月前，內政部都市計畫委員要卸任以前能夠有一個結果，因為已經好幾年了，這個行政園區進行都更是公辦的，預計使用我們永和有一條水源街的國軍帳務中心作為臨時的中繼辦公場所，本席在去年有進行一個會勘，在會勘的時候，國防部軍備局跟財政部國產署都同意，只要新北提出分期價購，其實新北現在也提出他們願意來分期價購。 |
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0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:12:13.825000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:12:33.117000+08:00 |
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本席是希望財政部跟國防部能夠承諾，只要新北市提出需求、分期編列，那財政部跟國防部這邊來配合。部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-21T12:12:33.117000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:12:33.498000+08:00 |
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國防部嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-21T12:12:34.838000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:12:36.139000+08:00 |
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不是啦，財政部啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-21T12:12:37.039000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:12:54.363000+08:00 |
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委員，您提的永和園區新北市政府要做價購，就我所知，那塊土地應該是國防部原來列為營改基金的資產，這個部分如果地方政府有需用的話，我們會在符合法令的情況下來辦理。對啊！ |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-21T12:12:54.743000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:12:56.785000+08:00 |
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它已經要編列了，你們要配合啊！ |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-21T12:12:57.225000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:00.388000+08:00 |
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那公辦都更？部長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:00.388000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:02.289000+08:00 |
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公辦都更的程序……對啊！ |
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1 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:02.449000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:03.330000+08:00 |
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那個已經好久了！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:04.011000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:10.116000+08:00 |
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不會因為都市計畫委員變更而有變更，所以按照公辦都更的程序，我們還是會按照…… |
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0.941 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:10.116000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:11.296000+08:00 |
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為什麼會拖那麼久？部長。 |
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0.9 |
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劉部長世芳 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:13.318000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:15.621000+08:00 |
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剛剛財政部長已經有跟您報告過了。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:16.061000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:48.636000+08:00 |
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不是，公辦都更歸公辦都更，跟這個園區是沒有關係，跟他現在要做的行政園區是完全脫鉤、不一樣，因為那個就是國防部的帳務中心，那是要徵收，但是這個公辦都更是永和區公所旁邊的分局、國父紀念館，包括後面所有的土地，大概差不多有兩千多坪，而且已經提出N次了，你們到現在為止都沒有下文、沒有一個結果。 |
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| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:50.473000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:13:59.478000+08:00 |
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我們會按照公辦都更的程序來辦理，如果你認為會拖延的話，我們再來查一下真正的原因是出在什麼地方，然後向委員做回復。 |
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林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:14:00.679000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:14:09.784000+08:00 |
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因為你一拖再拖又拖，我是希望近期應該要有一個結果，給當地民眾一個交代，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:14:11.085000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:14:40.356000+08:00 |
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另外，本席也關心國土永續發展基金整個預算編列的情形，115年將移撥101億元來達成法定的目標，國土計畫法實施後10年的移撥總額不得低於新臺幣500億元，在500億撥補達標後，請問內政部長，未來116年國土永續發展基金撥補金額是否會大幅度降低？ |
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0.959 |
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林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-21T12:14:40.796000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-21T12:14:41.617000+08:00 |
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會不會？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-21T12:14:41.617000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:14:42.117000+08:00 |
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很有可能。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-21T12:14:42.717000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:14:54.685000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，國土計畫法其實已經在立法院通過要往後延6年，所以國土計畫是屬於基金預算的話，未來實施計畫大概會大幅減低。 |
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0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:14:57.188000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:15:10.522000+08:00 |
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聽聞116年起內政部要對自來水費、電費額外收取國土資源永續利用費，本席希望行政院要考量民生物價，做好對外的溝通。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.898 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-21T12:15:11.623000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:15:15.608000+08:00 |
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部長，你有沒有針對這方面的想法？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-21T12:15:16.448000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:15:30.982000+08:00 |
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報告委員，到目前為止我沒有聽過這樣的說法，因為無論怎麼樣，要徵收任何經費是一定要經過很多審議程序，絕對不是行政部門單一說法，說過了就過了，一定不可能這麼…… |
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0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-21T12:15:31.122000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:15:31.602000+08:00 |
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好，希望如此。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-21T12:15:32.723000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:15:32.903000+08:00 |
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一定會審慎辦理。好。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-21T12:15:34.805000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:16:00.839000+08:00 |
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根據立法院預算中心資料，內政部數位身分證政策到114年7月底已投入金額7億7,000萬，政策喊卡後，扣除已經支付設備之折舊費用1.79億以後，內政部需補償中央印製廠差不多3.32億，我請院長這邊說明數位身分證政策換發計畫是否會繼續下去？院長。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-21T12:16:08.247000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:16:13.333000+08:00 |
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過去研議一段時間，因為社會上有各種不同意見，所以這個是停下來了。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-21T12:16:13.994000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:16:25.346000+08:00 |
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不過我還是認為，按照整個科技的進步跟我們需要引入更多的科技服務，未來不失成為一個必須再重新考量的過程。 |
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0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-21T12:16:26.267000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:16:42.414000+08:00 |
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當然，當中過去大家提到的人權、個資等等的保護，因為有更好的技術做防護，我們應該有好的能力，所以我覺得這個部分是有必要再廣聽各界意見，應該要有往這個方向走的想法才對。 |
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0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:16:42.414000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:16:47.357000+08:00 |
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那我要請問，115年支應中央印製廠於暫緩期間維護費用編列4,875萬元，預計未來還要再編多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-21T12:16:55.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-21T12:16:57.482000+08:00 |
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難道每年都要這樣編嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-21T12:16:57.482000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:17:12.112000+08:00 |
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不是，報告委員，我們跟中央印製廠、跟相關單位講好，我們大概是分年把原來在停止數位身分證之後需要還給他們的經費再按年還給他們，但不是每一年都這樣編。 |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-21T12:17:12.112000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:17:12.112000+08:00 |
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這樣喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-21T12:17:12.112000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:17:14.134000+08:00 |
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我希望不要每年這樣編。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-21T12:17:16.336000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:17:25.424000+08:00 |
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關於長照特別扣除額12萬元，今年提高到18萬，講實在話，許多長照家庭還是覺得政府照顧不足。 |
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0.892 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-21T12:17:25.884000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:18:00.353000+08:00 |
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根據勞動部調查，外籍家庭看護工平均的薪資是2.4萬元，一年下來長照家庭至少要28萬8,000元，為了讓長照家庭有更多喘息的資源，本席是希望卓院長要要求勞動部、衛福部、包括財政部要檢討，2028年以前提出修法版本，將長照特別扣除額應該要提高到28萬，因為事實上就是最少要28萬，對不對？ |
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0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-21T12:18:00.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-21T12:18:02.754000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
他有那個支付，但又不讓他扣除…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-21T12:18:05.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-21T12:18:08.078000+08:00 |
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希望委員讓我們有討論的空間，因為從12萬調到18萬，已經增加了百分之五十。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.367 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-21T12:18:08.839000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:18:10.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
但是人家確實有需要啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-21T12:18:11.540000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:18:21.447000+08:00 |
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對，所以我們可以從其他方向一直增加整個長照的費用，我們也可以來做，但是一下子增加這麼多，必須考慮到國家的財政能力，這倒是真的！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-21T12:18:21.988000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:18:31.212000+08:00 |
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不能在這裡老是一個案子出來就突然蹦很大，我們認為對長照的照顧，現在長照3.0已經1,153億，相當多了！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-21T12:18:31.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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2026-04-21T12:18:39.475000+08:00 |
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我們會認為該增加的還是要增加，必須檢討過去這一千多億使用的內容，我們合理的做適度的調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-21T12:18:39.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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2026-04-21T12:18:51.721000+08:00 |
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其實有的家庭不是只有請一個外籍照護工，因為有時候父親、母親都年長了，結果是請兩位，但一樣是讓他扣這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-21T12:18:52.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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2026-04-21T12:19:10.952000+08:00 |
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講實在話，我們是務實的，我們的基本工資調整幾乎都是給外勞，因為本國的勞工幾乎都比那個高一些，結果都是調到外勞，真正都是外勞受益，本勞呢？有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-21T12:19:11.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-21T12:19:17.076000+08:00 |
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是調到3萬啊，3萬幾乎都是外勞拿走，本勞本來就有超過3萬啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-21T12:19:19.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-21T12:19:19.976000+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-21T12:19:19.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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2026-04-21T12:19:26.911000+08:00 |
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委員，並不是都只調外勞，本勞其實滿多也在基本工資附近，所以調基本工資對本勞，尤其是低薪的本勞也有幫助。 |
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0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
林委員德福 |
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2026-04-21T12:19:26.911000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:19:26.951000+08:00 |
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多數啦！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-21T12:19:26.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-21T12:19:29.398000+08:00 |
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其實多數是本勞。 |
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0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-21T12:19:29.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-21T12:19:32.479000+08:00 |
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你調越高，外勞當然越高興啊！ |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-21T12:19:32.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-21T12:19:34.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-21T12:19:34.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-21T12:19:35.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
多數是本勞。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-21T12:19:35.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-21T12:20:04.027000+08:00 |
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另外，近年毒駕事件頻傳，為了嚇阻喪屍煙彈的氾濫，法務部於113年11月改為二級毒品，根據尿液篩檢的資料顯示，113年一共檢出有2,779件，114年檢出20,727件，包括115年1月就檢出了2,064件。 |
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0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-21T12:20:05.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-21T12:20:34.093000+08:00 |
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據了解臺灣境內的喪屍菸彈原料絕大部分都是來自印度，是不是請法務部要加強跟印度合作，杜絕這些毒品於境外，因為要是沒有做這樣做的話，包括像二級毒品、大麻等等，甚至有九成臺灣民眾反對大麻合法化，部長，你們有什麼看法？ |
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0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-21T12:20:34.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-21T12:20:40.479000+08:00 |
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因為總不能毒品越來越猖獗，但是你們都沒有拿出方法來。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-21T12:20:41.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-21T12:20:45.042000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
跟委員報告，絕對不會讓大麻合法化。對啊！ |
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0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-21T12:20:45.763000+08:00 |
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2026-04-21T12:21:03.130000+08:00 |
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這也是我們安居緝毒方案的重點查緝項目，杜絕大麻這部分，因為白領階級有使用的現象，我們會用專案的查緝來遏止。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-21T12:21:04.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-21T12:21:17.745000+08:00 |
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對，我認為這些毒品氾濫會造成很多社會上的問題，因為我們經常看到電視新聞，有很多人吸了毒以後開車，行人在斑馬線上也把人家撞死，對不對！ |
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0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-21T12:21:19.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-21T12:21:22.030000+08:00 |
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這種狀況比比皆是，一定要杜絕、要防範，如何來處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
林委員德福 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-21T12:21:22.530000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-21T12:21:23.958571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
好不好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-21T12:21:24.258571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-21T12:21:25.401429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-21T12:21:25.701429+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-21T12:21:28.558571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
謝謝林委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-21T12:21:28.858571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-21T12:21:31.715714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
下一位請陳瑩委員質詢。 |
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0 |