| IVOD_ID |
168650 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168650 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-21T11:33:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-21T11:49:24+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:25 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a5162d46ac0a8089cade4fa6ab144d530b71058f854e4ac4f69ceef3626fd72e642409915d7b18685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:33:59 - 11:49:24 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「針對開放印度移工來台，國人深感憂心，要求行政院院長率相關部會首長向立法院提出『開放印度移工來台對我國整體勞工政策與社會治安的衝擊及相關配套（含強化國與國直聘制度及失聯移工強制遣返機制）防治作為』專案報告，並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等4案。（4月17日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月17日）三、邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長列席報告「115年度中央政府總預算案」編製經過並備質詢（含志願役軍人加薪及警消人員退休金等預算編製處理情形併予報告）。（4月21日）四、4月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝院會主席江副院長楊瓊瓊發言首先來邀請卓院長卓院長請背信這個朋友大家好還有我們在樓上的這個參訪人好譚委員好 |
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謝謝院長好根據2026年美國貿易障礙評估報告跟台美對等的貿易協定當中行政院跟農業部跟衛福部近期調整了美國產的加工用馬鈴薯的輸入檢疫條件 |
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那過去的標準是在邊境的時候呢查驗了發現了有一顆的發芽那整批貨櫃就是這個退運或者是銷毀整批貨櫃退運或者是銷毀那現在放寬的是允許有這個發芽或者是潰爛的這個個體整顆剔除後那其餘的個體可以指定到 |
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到指定的加工這個整顆丟掉那官方說法也就是說你們告訴我們說我們是參照日本的模式那強調加工用跟這個現實用的流向是不同那並設有三道的關卡第一個施用這個抑制劑第二個邊際抽檢的總配糖它的一個生物檢視200ppm |
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第三個工廠端的一個監管這是你們告訴我們的但是毒物科的專家告訴我們龍葵鹼它具有神經的毒性而且它是耐高溫所以整櫃的馬鈴薯在密閉的輸運當中它發芽那是否會存在著交叉的污染是否會有那剔除之後它能不能百分之百 |
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您說的這個有發芽的或者是潰爛的這個個體是整顆丟掉但是剔除後是不是能夠百分之百的阻絕了這個毒素那所以呢本集認為管理的盲點 |
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那輿論他開始在質疑了我們政府本來是由海關海關全負責的來把關但是現在是轉嫁給加工廠所以在人力不足的時候會不會有這個人力不足沒有去檢查清楚在加工廠裡頭而且你要怎麼樣落實在整個工廠端的一個選別監管這一點非常重要所以 |
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貿易換食安很多的團體家長爸爸媽媽很緊張這是不是會接著又是萊豬歐盟的農藥的這個標準之後又一次的為貿易利益來犧牲國人的健康紅線所以在這樣的背景之下本期要請教過去我們對於發芽的這個馬鈴薯是零容忍的那邊境就是紅線 |
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現在紅線後測到加工廠內部所以我要請教發芽的馬鈴薯的毒性難道他會因為進了加工廠變成薯片就自動衰竟嗎接下來我個人還要再請問發芽的馬鈴薯就整顆丟棄了他不可能做任期他的產品 |
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而且那一批一定會驗農虧險先等一下我們把問題問好你們再回答 本席會給你們回答這樣子的一個管理邏輯的位移那本質上就是從政府負全責的邊境管理轉向到業者必須自負盈虧的自主管理所以院長 |
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你对于台湾加工厂的一个自律程度你认为会比我们国家的海关的专业检验更有信心吗请做说明这个检验的过程请部长说明 |
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我先跟委員報告我想委員對農業非常了解台中的楓葉的馬鈴薯我們為了保護所以在民國95年的時候我們特別訂定了芽體不能超過0.5公分那個的目的是為了防止這些國外進口的馬鈴薯進到我們的田裡面去跟我們國內的馬鈴薯競爭 |
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連牙體我們都非常嚴格這個就是我們對於食安有危險的我們絕對會嚴格而且是零容忍的一定要安全所以在這樣的一個情況下本市要請教的問題 |
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是沒有關聯性的本席沒有請你回答院長所以本席要請教你以往我們連牙體都這麼注意那你現在真的認為工廠的自主管理會比你國家你的國家的海關的專業檢驗還要有信心嗎 |
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我跟委員報告請教院長這是原則性的問題請教院長你的認為呢食安的問題我們當然是列為首要但邊境的管理我剛剛說過在美國它如果要發芽它是不可能出口的 |
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他不可能出口 發芽或土壤在這個馬鈴薯上面他就不可能出口過程當中一旦有芽發生了我們就把它丟棄掉絕不會拿去做任何加工產品好 要請問在密閉式的輸運當中你發覺這一顆幾顆那你把這個有問題的丟掉我們會全部檢查其他的 |
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會不會有交叉汙染的這個問題請教會不會有交叉汙染民眾要聽的事情對沒錯抽驗跟檢驗標準沒有改變所以即使他有沒有發芽我們都會有抽驗的程序要走所以換言之呢過去是整櫃就退了他沒有抽驗的問題現在沒有整櫃退我們就會抽驗因為他有一顆有芽體那一批我們就會抽驗 |
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一驗出超標整批退回所以換句話說院長您聽清楚了還是會有交叉感染的疑慮接下來本集要問農業部告訴我們你要參考日本的模式 |
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日本怎麼做呢日本有嚴謹的指定工廠的特許制度跟極高額的這個違規成本請教院長你針對我們目前所配合的指定加工廠你有派駐常駐的監管人員在那裡嗎 |
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我跟委員報告不是指定的加工廠是指定的地點它在指定的地點去做篩檢把這些不合格東西丟棄它還是在邊境檢定的一環因為它整個東西是封櫃而且經過鴨車去督導的部分它是在邊境檢驗的一環不是說從此就留到市場去或讓我們的加工廠自己來處理 |
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跟我們說明沒有完成檢驗程序之前還是在海關它是在冷凍櫃裡面並不會流入到工廠這是我們政府告訴我們的民眾的疑慮接下來等一下請教那如果這一個發芽的馬鈴薯 |
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在整個加工廠的時候你把整櫃這顆有問題的你把它剔除所以我們剛才質疑的會不會在密閉式的輸入當中這個過程有交互這污染的疑慮你們說你們現在告訴我們是說你還會針對於這一櫃全部重新的檢驗是不是如此 |
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在過去不論有沒有發芽我們都有抽菸的標準那現在如果有發現到有一顆有發芽被農業部特別挑出來的我們也會再加菸 |
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那驗出來只要抄標,整櫃就會退役現在部長告訴我們的說如果有他們會加驗這個就是家長的質疑因為他們生怕如果變薯片薯條我們不知道到底吃到的是不是來自於有發芽的馬鈴薯或者是這一櫃裡頭被剔除的原料 |
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踢足之後是不是會有交互這個汙染的馬鈴薯家長的疑慮是如此家宴之後有毒性的就整個退不可能家宴之後有毒性的來做成薯條薯片讓我來吃 不可能 |
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好 這個政府告訴我們所以本席要請教因為家長一直希望我們的食安我相信院長你也是零容忍的一定要全面的安全那在這樣情況之下大家都是希望日本他們的做法是如此那我們 |
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因為很多人會質疑也就是有一日的時候政府必須要給民眾來說明清楚在這樣的一個情況之下就是生怕我們為了要妥協這個食安的紅線所以拿國外的制度來當為食安的一個遮羞布這是非常讓民眾有不安的一定要說明清楚 |
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我跟委員報告我們的某個程度是比日本還嚴的日本的加工馬鈴薯是直接到加工廠去處理那我們還去檢查它有沒有牙底是為了防止它流出外面那有的話我們是整個的邊境的檢查是延伸到指定地點那邊去做一個有效的去除來保證說每一顆腐爛的發芽的東西都不會進到我們的消費市場這個是我們可以確定的好 市議院長 |
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我們民眾所希望的是食安的安全那所以因此要請教如果連發芽的馬鈴薯是不能進口的那這樣子最基礎的一個科學共識都能夠在談判當中去談判掉那所以民眾會質疑那未來是不是會開放更多的一個爭議性的農藥等所以本席要在這邊請院長來承諾貿易協定 |
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當然我們糧食安全跟國民健康這兩項以及國家跟產業利益這個是列為這次談判的四大優先的一個原則絕對不會破壞那馬鈴薯看這一張是 |
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腐爛發霉發芽的馬鈴薯都丟掉了不是丟掉拿去加工用這不要誤會這是加工用的馬鈴薯一旦有腐爛發霉發芽就把它丟掉了但是被誤會說丟掉以後是拿去加工用這是天大的誤會沒有人這麼誤會已經講得很清楚發芽腐爛的丟掉現在重點院長你要針對民眾的質疑重點是在你密閉式的一個運輸當中那麼你整個 |
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會不會你雖然把這些丟掉會不會有交叉我們會加強檢驗一旦有毒性整櫃退回好所以要請教如果有這些這個雖然剔除了但是還有一些這個櫃子裡面民眾還是有疑慮你未來是不是可以在整個包裝上面去標註 |
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你的來源是經過剔除的這些的一個批示可不可以這樣告訴民眾,民眾就沒有疑慮了嘛我跟委員報告,我們在持定地點檢查以後,我們會重新發檢疫的合格證如果他拿到檢疫的合格證的時候,就視同一般的因為經過整個的一個選別以後,把合格的馬鈴薯留下來發檢疫合格證是一樣的 |
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所以院長你去思考讓民眾怎麼樣可以安心這是最重要的你標示清楚就可以最安心了你去思考告訴我們社會大眾接下來本席要請教 |
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AI新時代的建設由國發會去統籌經濟部、國科會以及數位部我們預計在2040年投入了1000億以上的資金預計要培植50萬的人才希望創造15兆的產值 |
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那115年度我們的預算我看到我們是編列280億包括的營業及非營業特種基金的部分是31億換句話說總共311億比去年我們增加了143億成長是84點多那這表示政府我們全力的來推動AI那但是我們看到目前算力中心多集中在哪裡在南科國網中心以及北部 |
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那如果要均衡區域均衡院長你是不是應該要考慮在這個預算應該要在中部地區因為中部地區在整個精密所有都是最完整的生產鏈是不是115年度的預算應該優先在我們的台中來設立請教院長要成立一個算力中心 |
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必須要先注意到他的能源的使用要充裕那中科是一個早期發展成熟各個產業都已經進駐的比較多的所以要在裡面找也並非不可但是一定要再詳細的計算用地以及那個能源的使用那南科還有這個沙崙他比較新興的所以他比較容易接受新的產業進來北部的科學院也是如此所以我們希望中部地區我們是 |
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把它設定為中部視線是精密智慧新核心它有它光學等等其他的特殊的就是將精密機械來轉為這個AI機器人整個的一個運作它是一個生產性非常完整的 |
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911.113 |
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AI的導入一定會全面的導入會全面的導入中部地區我們智慧新和精密智慧新和新希望能夠加強的除了它原來的傳產之外把它升級那光學以及航太都是在裡面特殊的所以本期具體建議結合台中的航太跟自動化的能量建立國家級的AI機器人測試的這個驗證場域是否可以 |
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912.613 |
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922.423 |
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機器人的時候可以是可以一定要全面推動帶動整個國家的一個升級產業在台中是最佳的場域好 我們一起合作好 謝謝謝謝委員 |