| IVOD_ID |
168648 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168648 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-21T11:01:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-21T11:18:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/a5162d46ac0a8089b246cdfcaafaecea0b71058f854e4ac4f69ceef3626fd72e1e55ec2f4bd2b2985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:01:28 - 11:18:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第7次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「針對開放印度移工來台，國人深感憂心，要求行政院院長率相關部會首長向立法院提出『開放印度移工來台對我國整體勞工政策與社會治安的衝擊及相關配套（含強化國與國直聘制度及失聯移工強制遣返機制）防治作為』專案報告，並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等4案。（4月17日）二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月17日）三、邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長列席報告「115年度中央政府總預算案」編製經過並備質詢（含志願役軍人加薪及警消人員退休金等預算編製處理情形併予報告）。（4月21日）四、4月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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等一下紅部長坐定位 |
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好 感謝主席 麻煩邀請卓文泰院長好 請卓院長備選彭委員好 院長好 院長 |
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今天你的這個報告開宗明義也感謝各黨團良性互動協商共同為國家永續發展我想為中華民國永續發展這是不分朝野我們大家一起努力的方向行政院立法院大家本於憲政體制下面互相尊重也是立院監督制衡行政院我想這個是民主國家裡面的一個常態 |
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但今天本席還是要很嚴正的指出來在這一次的一個總預算為什麼會有這樣子兩百多天的一個情況沒有辦法審查 |
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在野黨以及立法院預算中心過去到現在一直點出其實重點在於是行政部門並沒有依法行政該編列的預算沒有編列違法的預算沒有辦法違法審查這是事實但在點出這個議題之前我想先跟院長請教因為您在過去也快兩年多的時間任期裡面其實創下很多我們中華民國史上的第一 |
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院長你還記得你任內有多少個法案你提出復議嗎七個吧七個或八個七個或八個對七個八個嘛現在也記不清楚了因為太多了復議全部又再被立法院再次否決復議結束如果沒有以責任政治來講照理講提出復議者就應該要請辭下台 |
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但院長不動如山院長您任期內到目前為止不附屬了幾個法案應該是五個法案 |
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五個法案 五個法案嘛包括說相對來講真的是比較沒有爭議的尤其是本席之前有提過在立法院交通委員會就已經審查大部分的條文甚至到最後立法院刪讀的時候60票比0民進黨團沒有任何人投下反對票的衛星廣播電視法 |
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執政黨的委員沒有半個人投反對而18條裡面有16條是在交通委員會NCC主管機關也一起共同出來討論達成共識出委員會不經協商直接二三組通過的法條都被擬用不附屬來做處理好我想請教剛剛講的不附議或不附屬你主要的理由是什麼我說過 |
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主要的理由是什麼 就只要打大方向是不是認為是說這是違憲違反憲政的規定破壞財政的紀律影響國家的安全還有沒有經過民主程序這幾個點是違憲最重要因為你是行政機關 照理講應該依法行政嘛那違憲的部分請教不管是不復讀或不附屬到目前為止這一些尤其是像不附屬的送憲法法庭暫時處分或是說違憲的這個宣告出來了嗎 |
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憲法法庭的無法運作還沒有嘛還沒有出來所以說現在是行政部門自己認為他是違憲所以說你就不執行憲法法庭的無法運作是憲法法庭本身的問題不要忘記憲法法庭有個5比6憲法法庭有你想運作的時候還是可以運作所以講了那麼多我們再請教院長 |
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這一次總預算我們一直強調的是警察人士條例2025年4月就已經三讀通過了居人加薪條例2025年6月就已經通過了那請教他有沒有被你不附議或是不附屬 |
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軍人的條例用這種齊頭性的先回答 先回答本時的問題有沒有被你附議或是不附屬這是在送釋憲有沒有被你附議或不附屬嗎沒有不附屬沒有不附屬 也沒有附議然後總統有沒有公告 |
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總統有公告總統公告了結果你也一樣不執行啊我們沒有說不執行所以現在的狀況變成是委員我澄清你連不附屬跟附議都可以失陷吧委員我沒有說不執行喜歡的來送附議喜歡的來送不附屬即便是沒有送附議沒有送不附屬的你不執行還是不執行來我們看一下預算中心怎麼講我們沒有說不執行我們說等大法官解釋出來之後核限 |
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就追加而且追溯這跟剛剛復議或是不復署有什麼差別你一樣啊你一樣是要等大法官釋憲之後出來你才要執行啊但實際上這已經違反法治原則照理講行政部門在立法院刪除通過法令你在等待事件結果之前你就要依法行政不是嗎要講憲法 |
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你是法律系 法律的ABC並不是行政部門自己來決定來 我們看一下立法委員增加行政院的支出當然要跟行政院徵詢這個過程從來沒有一次被遵守過我非常非常的遺憾來 我請教一下院長這不是在野黨說了算 |
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這是立法院預算中心在今年的總預算報告裡面針對稅出部分他也特別提到他講說警察消防沒有屬法定義務支出未依規定優先補足應該依法行政原則編列預算預算中心都已經告訴行政院所以本席今天強調的在於是 |
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我們今天 好 你說各退一步講實在話 行政部門其實沒有退步但是立法部門願意在韓國瑜院長的協調 頂賴之下其實這很像什麼很像過去有一個故事 索羅門王要 |
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孕婦小孩到底是誰的兩個孕婦都說他的愛孩子的人不會想要一刀兩斷也因此到最後立法院認為是說好我們先來審理總預算但請行政部門依照相關的遵守規定半年內把 |
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應該要補足的警察人士條例以及軍人加薪條例來補足因為我們不忍心看到民生被卡住我們不忍心看到即便通過了718億新興計畫行政院不執行就是不執行所以院長我只想請教一下 |
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半年內有沒有信心跟把握一定能夠補足編列相關軍人跟警察人士條例的預算我也很欣慰朝野協商能得出這樣的一個結論半年內讓我們好好來檢討這也代表著立法院那個要把孩子切成兩刀的刀子你不用下了我們可以好好來討論 |
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今天是行政部門想要看著刀子砍下去是立法部門認為說民生優先也因此我們過去其實院長我們一直強調是說這個是橄欖枝但是行政部門不願意接受但我現在想問結論半年內會不會編足預算我剛剛在報告裡面有兩行字我再強調一次未來半年內我們的態度是研議更合理反映物價的待遇調整 |
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還有更貼近公務體系的實質運作的專業佳績所以言議是兩院來互相討論所以院長什麼時候要啟動這樣的言議 |
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我們今天先把預算複製好嗎 你既然一講是說兩月要來那就是行政部門要召集協商 召集討論是不是 什麼時候開始那我們就不一定要等半年嘛下個禮拜就可以開始啦同步進行我希望這個時間點審查預算 提出版本審查預算才是正正 |
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所以你看你又沒有辦法所以預算審查完畢之後我們有綜藝的時間五百官在這邊我想除了審查預算我們已經講了下個禮拜馬上委員會開始就會一起審查但另外一個部分軍人加薪跟其他人是條例什麼時候要把願板送進來 |
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我們在審查預算的過程當中 半年內可不可以送進來多少半年內能不能送進來 當然 當然半年內會送進來 當然 當然 當然那另外 本席 既然已經確定半年內一定送進來 那再來院長有看到今天的報紙啦字比較小 但是這頭版頭薄入施壓商總理事長說政府別扣帽子 |
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另外聯合報也是在頭版也寫商總說政府別扣帽以正逼商我想先請教有沒有掌握任何的證據因為其實是有綠媒先報導說商總昨天要開記者會結果綠媒先報導說商總 |
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被中共北京施壓被迫表態我們到目前為止有沒有掌握任何的資料任何的證據確實商總有被滲透商總是中共同路人嗎我早上已經正式對外說過政府跟七大工商團體一向保持非常良好的關係很多重要的時刻跟決策政策推動他們也出聲來支持所以往後會保持這樣的良好的關係 |
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問A答A有沒有我們到目前為止您手掌握的資料或是我們陸委會給你的訊息還是相關單位給你的訊息有沒有傷腫被北京施壓我覺得這很嚴重這是國安問題 |
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他會開這樣的記者會 除了商總內部的討論之外有沒有被誰施壓 商總會知道 我並不知道所以政府也沒有掌握政府不會去掌握你希望政府去掌握所以今天他講說政府不要扣帽子好 那本席再請教 |
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那政府相關單位部門有沒有打電話個別拜託商總有沒有相關部會打電話給商總說請他們不要開這個組委會行政院沒有要求哪一個部會去處理但是各該部會如果有一般業務的接觸不應該被解釋為所以也有嘛所以今天看起來我們政府部門是有跟商總聯繫但是行政院院長剛剛講大白話就是說他也沒有掌握或說也沒有任何的資料證據 |
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根本就是政府扣帽子是商總是中共同路人來我看一下其實商總怎麼會是中共同路人呢 |
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本席也很好奇因為一個月前本席也參與受邀參與中華民國全國商業總會的新春團拜春酒晚會而當時我們的蕭美琴副總統跟本席坐的時間幾乎一樣久本席逐桌的致意蕭美琴副總統也逐桌的致意當時我們都還看到說政府部門跟 |
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在座有很多的部長當天都有在所以其實商總他們今天花兩三個鐘頭進行過早餐會全程參與所以沒有任何的問題所以現在在講嘛 |
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有所謂的以政逼商還是以商逼政嗎昨天記者會我不知道說行政院長有沒有那麼的時間能夠看完昨天的記者會但如果沒有的話也可以看一下他今天各大報的頭版頭其實商總 |
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許書柏理事長他講的我覺得台中民意也很清楚他呼籲兩點第一點大陸不要以政治因素冒然終止或宣布已經開放的政策對台應該要制度化的運作但第二點台灣政府及在野黨也應該以產業發展優先對人民有利的該開放就開放不要站在產業及人民的對立面 |
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所以其實看起來商總他也是表達我們不管是兩千三百五十萬人共同心心念念希望商業能夠更加的活絡市場更加的開放何錯之有政府也是這樣做啊健康有序對等尊嚴而且我們的 |
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這個海旅會在去年二月主動聯繫海旅會要救觀光的品質安全是海旅會沒有答覆給我們我們有主動表達過這種聯繫的意識現在看起來 鄉總就講了嘛政府不要扣帽子政府沒有扣帽子 |
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那你留著跟許書柏理事長講你留著跟我們全國2350萬人大家講本期現在講的是你可以問問許書柏我有沒有打過電話給他談過記者問題其實強調的是沒有啊院長本期強調的是我們可以更自信一點開大門走大路中華民國過去到現在我相信我們的困難沒有少過 |
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但如果說對外我們一致對外可是重點在於是我們不要在內部找敵人其實過去到現在本席最痛苦的地方也是最沒有辦法接受的地方常常就是一件政策出來之後就變二分法只要執政黨做的東西就是可以在野黨做的事情就不行許書柏理事長也到過許書柏理事長也到過行政院我的朋友都是 |
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結果只要說在野黨有任何的運動就說是親中賣台這是荒謬的事情我再說一次許書森理事長也到過我的辦公室兩個坐下來談他所關心切身的問題這個都沒有問題本席沒有興趣聽你們兩個私下的互動本席只想要的是這不是挑撥這是今天報導的通報請議長好好地了解我們政府都保持好的關係來 |
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很多委員也都在關心我們的因為對外嘛 一致嘛那本席也收到相關的一個爆料就是我們看到顏惠欣副總代表她的一個霸凌案事件結束之後但有傳來這樣的一個訊息院長您可以看一下這是一個公務群組OTN應該是我們經貿辦公室的縮寫好在3月25號 |
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看得到下面最後一個嚴慧心被移除而被移除的這一個是我們總代表楊真尼的機要秘書在3月25號以前嚴慧心都還存在在我們的公務群組裡面所以換言之他到底什麼時候請辭如果說就您收到請辭信應該是2月左右吧 |
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一月底嘛就是農曆春節前嘛是不是那可是農曆春節前我現在羅生門在於是你有沒有批准你沒有批准所以說他還持續在公務群組裡面公務群組裡面結果3月24號他的死訊出來之後第一時間居然選擇的不是慰問家屬而是把他從公務群組裡面移除這是什麼樣的一個心態 |
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好 謝謝 |