| IVOD_ID |
168610 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168610 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-16T10:25:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-16T10:33:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5c6c6faabdac9c285427efb77a8f6e1824d82c1ebe87fe24e494fea1324b5f1a334a1e86bb4a3c825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴瑞隆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:25:04 - 10:33:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長、國家發展委員會主任委員及農業部部長就「我國再生能源及電網韌性之發展現況、建置進度、容量目標、推動困境、法規障礙及相關改善對策」進行報告，並備質詢。
【4月15日及4月16日二天一次會】） |
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蕭瑋 蕭瑋榮 蕭瑋榮 蕭瑋榮不在在齁好 請蕭瑋榮委員質詢你要舉個手啊謝謝邱昭偉齁 請工部長請經部工部長 |
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部長好賴委員長部長我先首先先請教因為高雄其實電力相當充足包括這個興達南部跟大嶺都充分的在發電那其實國家的AI算力中心這也是全力在推動當中那我們都認為其實設設在高雄其實最適合的部長怎麼看是所以我們現在鼓勵如果要設置比較 |
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重要或大型的AI算力中心的話到高雄是比較合適的所以現在政府的立場都有鼓勵各企業不管是NVIDIA或是其他各企業的都往高雄來設置這個AI算力中心是這樣嗎 |
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是的 就是有電源的地方因為它需要大量用電嘛那你既然要大量用電你當然要就近往電力發展充足的地方來設置也不應該設在其他地方電力送過來給你這也不合理嘛那除了這個之外那國家呢在這件事情上面還能夠出什麼樣的力量 |
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我們當然就是說要把電網都先準備好雖然像高雄來講的話它的電力是充沛的但是如果要適當的地點還是要電網的支持所以那這個部分我們就積極來辦理也跟他們做一些協商到底在哪一個地點比較好然後把電數送到那個地方去 |
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是 那部長除了這個之外的話在整個國家會有設置一個類似像專區或設置一個怎樣的一個方式來鼓勵大家甚至於政府來帶動大家來設置這個AI的算力中心嗎 |
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對我們會鼓勵比如說高雄來講地方政府他如果有一個AI的算力中心也好或聚落也好然後有一個示範性的一些做法那這個是我們會支持的對我知道的是高雄市政府現在已經有提出這樣的規劃了有類似這樣的規劃 |
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提出這樣的規劃那希望有一個AI的算力中心那也希望經濟部能夠全力來支持就是他在周邊的一些各項的一些軟硬體的設置上面能夠全力來支持跟配合那這樣有助於讓民間的投入能夠更加的加快速度也讓他們感受到中央地方同心的在高雄這邊在電力最充足的地方來設置AI算力中心所以這個部長是支持這個方向是支持是支持好謝謝那我們 |
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事實上也謝謝高雄那個 |
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願意支持那麼多的電力發展我覺得這個也要請部長要多多的那個因為高雄其實在這一塊確實對於是很付出很努力的那我覺得這個對國家的整個經濟發展上面跟整個經濟都是非常重要的我覺得這一塊也希望能夠部長能夠更加的支持不要只是在電力的供應而是在於產業的發展對於不管是半導體AI的這個發展上面都能夠更感受到中央對高雄的重視是好 謝謝 |
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那再來請教一下啦齁這個大寧埔遷村台湯的土地需要來編列經費來架構那這個部分是已經解決了嗎 |
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現在在進行當中好像還算布裡面已經過了嘛現在是到院裡面去了嘛 是不是是的所以現在是方向事實上是由經濟部來編預算跟台堂來做架構嘛然後架構完了之後這個就加速整個大林埔千村的程序是嗎對 因為前一陣子就是需要的面積有稍微大一點比原來的櫃灣大一點 |
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那這個部分也請台廠協助後來同意了所以也同意了齁經費就由經濟部來編列了齁行政院也同意了這多少經費部長這多少經費額外增加的部分40億增加40億齁那經濟部跟行政院都同意了 |
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行政院應該同意了對 我知道好像也是同意了那我希望這個盡快來推動啦這個不要讓正式營拖太久的時間那土地確定了那4C編列了我們就盡快來整個取得這個土地然後盡快加速整個千村的一個程序好 謝謝那另外我要請教的是當時的時候其實報告市政府報告經濟部因為經濟部是千村的主管機關本來講的是在今年的上半年要完成這個登記的程序然後今年要報告 |
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啟動架構這個協議的程序然後年底前要完成環評跟都計的程序部長都還在這個期程當中嗎是 現在所以登記在今年的六月底前會啟動我們積極的來辦好 今年六月底前會啟動登記的程序然後協議交交程序今年上半年會啟動那今年年底前會完成那明年就可以正式來遷春嘛 |
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開始啟動部長我們希望這個部分請部長還是要落實盯緊所有這個程序好 謝謝再來我請教一下其實綠電這個大家都越來越重視台積電包括很多產業都要加入RE100這樣的一個程序但是到了2024年的時候光台積電好了以台積的指標好了才達到RE25而已也就是說甚至於整個騎乘上面都影響了 |
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部長這樣的期程上面我們有辦法趕得上嗎企業上的需求我們對於這些大型的這些i100的用戶事實上都有滾動式的跟他洽詢他們需要用的綠電是多少那我們也有相當的準備部長那我問一下綠電的程序現在上是不是已經落後了在整個國家的原先的規劃上面是不是已經落後了 |
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報告委員就是它這個是比例啦比例可能沒有辦法做到但是我們達到的是它裝置容量希望可以達到就是歷電的總量是可以滿足R100或他們的需要所以如果以R100這些企業的目標不管是2030年2025年的這些資料2035年2040年的資料我們都可以照這個預定的目標來完成嗎 |
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對 我們跟他的討論都是到2035年所以這些目標是可以完成的照整個前面這個設定的目標是可以完成的對 就可以滿足他們的需要那我們希望盯緊盯緊這個目標能夠照這個時間來完成那另外我要提醒的是接下來因為原先我們預定的最早是設定2025年要達到20%的一個綠電這三年的目標那現在又延到了今年的11月那接下來還會再延嗎 |
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所以我就說因為它這個分子分母都一直在變尤其是分母它變的速度非常非常快就是說所以我們現在的目標比較是用裝置容量就是綠電的裝置容量那部長你要不要改變一個說法因為你現在分母越變越大嘛所以你分子的速度就會變得相對去慢了你的20%的目標可能就變得慢了那你要不要未來要改變一個說法讓大家知道不然外界會認為說好像原先預定的20%的目標遲遲無法來達成 |
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是 我們會盡量來說明好不好 這個要對社會各界說明那所以未來不會用20%來做一個目標嗎 |
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我用這樣的說法就是綠電綠電的這個推動還是會持續而且非常積極的來做推動這個是方向上是不是不會推但是你的設定總要有一個目標在像本來原先預定是24到2025年要完成現在延後那現在到了今年2月的時候15.4如果你以20%的目標的話顯然還很遙遠也許到明年甚至都還沒辦法完成 |
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因為分母增加真的蠻快像今年就有四戶的這個大型的天然氣機組它要並聯這個分母又變得很大所以我希望是部長要來思考啦因為大家一直緊盯著這20%如果你的騎乘上是有延後要讓各界知道那如果你要改變因為分母變大太多你要改用其他方式那也要讓社會各界知道我們綠電的速度持續來推動那另外我要提醒部長 |
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綠電還是要持續加速來推動因為它對於整個全球的包括台灣都非常重要是是是好謝謝謝謝謝謝大家 |