iVOD / 168605

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IVOD_ID 168605
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168605
日期 2026-04-16
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-19-9
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 9
會議資料.種類 委員會
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] 19
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] 經濟委員會
會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-04-16T09:41:05+08:00
結束時間 2026-04-16T09:50:47+08:00
影片長度 00:09:42
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 謝衣鳯
委員發言時間 09:41:05 - 09:50:47
會議時間 2026-04-16T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議(事由:邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長、國家發展委員會主任委員及農業部部長就「我國再生能源及電網韌性之發展現況、建置進度、容量目標、推動困境、法規障礙及相關改善對策」進行報告,並備質詢。 【4月15日及4月16日二天一次會】)
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 對 我就是要問你們該準備的有沒有準備我們的法定天然氣法定石油以及法定的煤的用量現在是多少
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 現在計的部分大概是11天以上嘛那是法定的那你們現在的存量有多少現在大概超過這個數字超過這個數字是多少12天嘛 那個誰對 董事長是目前的存量12天以上是幾天12天以上因為它每一天有上上下下我知道法定是12天嘛法定是11天你們現在目前的存量是幾天
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 就差不多12天那石油呢石油大概法定是90天現在是140幾天現在是140幾天那煤煤的話是原生30天現在都超過接近4040天左右所以即便有什麼狀況就是核彈沒有成功我們還是可以安然度過幾天
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transcript.whisperx[5].text 對我們因為一直都在調度嘛所以這個剛剛提到天然氣的那個天數都沒有減少所以打仗已經打一個月了但是我們有用掉的不斷的進來嘛所以那個都會維持住那個備用的這個
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transcript.whisperx[6].text 所以未來如果即便核彈不成的時候我們的天然氣、石油以及煤的存量用於發電或者用於民生以及工業的都是足夠的,是不是這樣?對,我們現在持續在調度當中所以現在...滾不著要保證是不是?一定要做到啊滾不著要保證啊,滾不著要保證啊
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 是不是對 因為它是法定的我們一定要做到好還有我想要請問因為今天講的是這個再生能源那我們知道現在有很多的風場他們有融資的困難有可能病亡會延宕那如果開發商因為財務的因素放棄開發那是否你們經濟部有地補的這個機制呢
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 目前他如果放棄的話那個封鎖就空下來我們會把移到下一次選商的時候再進行招商就是下一次選商的時候再進行招商那你怎麼樣確定2030年10.9G的這個目標不會跳票呢
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 所以我們事實上在3.3的選商的機制也做了一些改變強化這個他實際的經驗還有他的財務的能力的比重分數把它加強了所以就是說比較可以確保不會發生您剛才提到的這樣的一些問題
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 還有現在我們剛才就在提到的就是分散電網的這樣子的方式因為過去的電網有很多就是說過去是人口密集區跟現在的人口密集區以及現在的工業區的用電可能區域的規劃都不一樣了
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transcript.whisperx[11].text 目前如果為了電網的韌性那我們目前的5645億的這樣計畫是否能夠足夠來支撐這樣子的分散電網的建制
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 跟委員報告5645億是在大概兩年前那時候提出來的一個數字嘛那一個電網的建設絕對不是說一個時間點定下來之後就固定是那個數字而是每年都在滾動檢討有因應特殊的需求出來而增加比如說像最近的那個在半導體業這麼夯的狀況之下他們的用電申請增加那麼我們就會因應
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 在不同地區的這些用電特別再增加一些線路出來類似像這個或者再生能源在某些地區因為開放所以導致必須要增加一些線路那麼我們也會在這方面就增加線路所以如果就像你說的半導體AI的需求增加的時候那當分母增加了那是不是我們相關的再生能源的比例就要提高了那這樣子的目標你們有沒有辦法達到
transcript.whisperx[14].start 346.754
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transcript.whisperx[14].text 目標定定我想是報委員就是就像您講的這個是目標我們是盡量希望可以達成但是分母跟分子基本上都一直在變化所以我們是就是還是既然是目標我們還是盡力啦
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 對啊那總不能夠我現在也是問到一個就是大家關心的核心喔就是我們對於這樣子屋頂型的光電或者是漁電工程的光電也好那因為你知道我們台灣的土地的問題嗎那我們跟鄰近的就是說民宅跟其他的就是說農田等等的那相隔的距離是多少那會不會有
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 讓周邊的民眾覺得不舒服那如果為了要達成這個分子那是不是要做怎麼樣子的擴大那台灣所有的土地有沒有辦法足夠讓
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 這些光電設施設施以及現在光電已經進行了很久了一個很長的時間了那光電板的回收呢有沒有辦法達到永續過去幾次在風災在天災的時候都有光電板的耗損那
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transcript.whisperx[18].text 藉由這樣子的一個過程裡面我們有沒有一個比較好的光電回收的光電板回收的機制能夠讓環境不會受到相關的傷害那以及未來怎麼樣提高光電的發電的效率你如果不能增加面積還是你是在發電的效率裡面去增加呢這是不是能夠
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 你們是不是能說一下方向上就是這樣那剛剛提到的就是說方向上是這樣那換我來做好了不是 環境三法有環保有三法已經改變了嘛那我們當然按照那個怎麼樣跟環境相容這個我們盡量來處理那屋頂型爭議比較少我們就來加強
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 那您剛才提到的部分就是說同樣的面積之下它現在的轉換效率是提高的技術上來做一些突破從過去的可能只有可能只有百分之十幾而已那現在已經慢慢到二十幾將來可能到三十所以它等於是同樣的面積之下它的發電量可以未來提高發電的效率嗎可是問題是現在我們現在配合就是說您剛才提到的
transcript.whisperx[21].start 503.695
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transcript.whisperx[21].text 他原來可能可以發電的時間是15年20年他可能現在已經15年10幾年了我們鼓勵他太舊換新這樣的話他也可以回收他的舊的回收那你們回收的相關的流程以及機制有沒有做好有序的有沒有做好有序的這樣子的相關的那個所以你們會
transcript.whisperx[22].start 529.111
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transcript.whisperx[22].text 希望說業者把既定的光電型的這樣太陽能板換掉然後提高這個效率嗎是是是那但是你要提供什麼樣的誘因給他們啊因為設立已經設立了嘛那怎麼樣子給他們誘因那不然他本來就是按照他的回收機制這樣子的這個設計下來那你怎麼樣子讓他能夠去汰換舊的換上高效率的那怎麼樣做呢
transcript.whisperx[23].start 558.152
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transcript.whisperx[23].text 比如說來講他原來是可以發電20年嘛那他現在15年了那15年來講那個5年就是我們汰換以後他效率提高了但是我們還是保障他這個5年過去的這個本售價格那額外的部分呢他就是可以額外獲得所以對他來講是非常好的一個方式好謝謝謝謝謝謝分委員
transcript.gazette[0].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[0].start 2026-04-16T09:41:16.399000+08:00
transcript.gazette[0].guessed
transcript.gazette[0].end 2026-04-16T09:41:16.579000+08:00
transcript.gazette[0].text 謝謝主席。
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transcript.gazette[1].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[1].start 2026-04-16T09:41:17.059000+08:00
transcript.gazette[1].guessed
transcript.gazette[1].end 2026-04-16T09:41:19.021000+08:00
transcript.gazette[1].text 我想要請龔部長。
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transcript.gazette[2].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[2].start 2026-04-16T09:41:19.021000+08:00
transcript.gazette[2].guessed
transcript.gazette[2].end 2026-04-16T09:41:23.304000+08:00
transcript.gazette[2].text 請經濟部龔部長。
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transcript.gazette[3].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[3].start 2026-04-16T09:41:27.348000+08:00
transcript.gazette[3].guessed
transcript.gazette[3].end 2026-04-16T09:41:27.728000+08:00
transcript.gazette[3].text 謝委員早安。
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transcript.gazette[4].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[4].start 2026-04-16T09:41:29.670000+08:00
transcript.gazette[4].guessed
transcript.gazette[4].end 2026-04-16T09:41:30.230000+08:00
transcript.gazette[4].text 龔部長早安。
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transcript.gazette[5].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[5].start 2026-04-16T09:41:30.671000+08:00
transcript.gazette[5].guessed
transcript.gazette[5].end 2026-04-16T09:41:46.551000+08:00
transcript.gazette[5].text 我能不能找台電跟中油?
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transcript.gazette[6].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[6].start 2026-04-16T09:41:49.212000+08:00
transcript.gazette[6].guessed
transcript.gazette[6].end 2026-04-16T09:41:50.773000+08:00
transcript.gazette[6].text 請台電王總經理跟中油方董事長。
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transcript.gazette[7].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[7].start 2026-04-16T09:41:53.354000+08:00
transcript.gazette[7].guessed
transcript.gazette[7].end 2026-04-16T09:41:57.235000+08:00
transcript.gazette[7].text 部長,你那天有給川普打電話,是不是?沒有。
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transcript.gazette[8].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[8].start 2026-04-16T09:41:57.935000+08:00
transcript.gazette[8].guessed
transcript.gazette[8].end 2026-04-16T09:41:58.656000+08:00
transcript.gazette[8].text 停戰了,是不是?
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transcript.gazette[9].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[9].start 2026-04-16T09:41:58.956000+08:00
transcript.gazette[9].guessed
transcript.gazette[9].end 2026-04-16T09:42:00.056000+08:00
transcript.gazette[9].text 要停戰了嗎?
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transcript.gazette[10].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[10].start 2026-04-16T09:42:00.056000+08:00
transcript.gazette[10].guessed
transcript.gazette[10].end 2026-04-16T09:42:02.137000+08:00
transcript.gazette[10].text 確定16號會和談?
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transcript.gazette[11].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[11].start 2026-04-16T09:42:02.137000+08:00
transcript.gazette[11].guessed
transcript.gazette[11].end 2026-04-16T09:42:04.438000+08:00
transcript.gazette[11].text 會不會停戰?
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transcript.gazette[12].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[12].start 2026-04-16T09:42:04.438000+08:00
transcript.gazette[12].guessed
transcript.gazette[12].end 2026-04-16T09:42:12.441000+08:00
transcript.gazette[12].text 我們密切觀察,不過訊息萬變,沒有辦法那麼把握,但是我們會準備該我們準備好的事情。
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transcript.gazette[13].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[13].start 2026-04-16T09:42:13.468000+08:00
transcript.gazette[13].guessed
transcript.gazette[13].end 2026-04-16T09:42:17.612000+08:00
transcript.gazette[13].text 對,我就是要問你們該準備的有沒有準備。
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transcript.gazette[14].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[14].start 2026-04-16T09:42:17.612000+08:00
transcript.gazette[14].guessed
transcript.gazette[14].end 2026-04-16T09:42:25.840000+08:00
transcript.gazette[14].text 我們的法定天然氣、法定石油以及法定煤的存量現在是多少?
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transcript.gazette[15].speaker 龔部長明鑫
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transcript.gazette[15].guessed
transcript.gazette[15].end 2026-04-16T09:42:31.614000+08:00
transcript.gazette[15].text 天然氣的部分大概是11天以上,那是法定的,現在是超過這個數字。
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transcript.gazette[16].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
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transcript.gazette[16].guessed
transcript.gazette[16].end 2026-04-16T09:42:34.215000+08:00
transcript.gazette[16].text 對,你們現在的存量有多少?
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transcript.gazette[17].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[17].start 2026-04-16T09:42:34.215000+08:00
transcript.gazette[17].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[17].end 2026-04-16T09:42:35.215000+08:00
transcript.gazette[17].text 我要知道現在……
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transcript.gazette[18].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[18].start 2026-04-16T09:42:35.096000+08:00
transcript.gazette[18].guessed
transcript.gazette[18].end 2026-04-16T09:42:35.837000+08:00
transcript.gazette[18].text 現在大概超過這個數字。
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transcript.gazette[19].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[19].start 2026-04-16T09:42:36.517000+08:00
transcript.gazette[19].guessed
transcript.gazette[19].end 2026-04-16T09:42:36.797000+08:00
transcript.gazette[19].text 超過這個數字?
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transcript.gazette[20].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[20].start 2026-04-16T09:42:37.197000+08:00
transcript.gazette[20].guessed
transcript.gazette[20].end 2026-04-16T09:42:37.498000+08:00
transcript.gazette[20].text 是多少?
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transcript.gazette[21].start 2026-04-16T09:42:37.498000+08:00
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transcript.gazette[21].text 應該有接近12天吧。
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transcript.gazette[22].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[22].start 2026-04-16T09:42:41.661000+08:00
transcript.gazette[22].guessed
transcript.gazette[22].end 2026-04-16T09:42:42.841000+08:00
transcript.gazette[22].text 請董事長說明。
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transcript.gazette[23].speaker 方董事長振仁
transcript.gazette[23].start 2026-04-16T09:42:42.982000+08:00
transcript.gazette[23].guessed
transcript.gazette[23].end 2026-04-16T09:42:44.723000+08:00
transcript.gazette[23].text 目前的存量是12天以上。
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transcript.gazette[24].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[24].start 2026-04-16T09:42:45.704000+08:00
transcript.gazette[24].guessed
transcript.gazette[24].end 2026-04-16T09:42:46.004000+08:00
transcript.gazette[24].text 董事長,是幾天?
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transcript.gazette[25].speaker 方董事長振仁
transcript.gazette[25].start 2026-04-16T09:42:47.004000+08:00
transcript.gazette[25].guessed
transcript.gazette[25].end 2026-04-16T09:42:47.345000+08:00
transcript.gazette[25].text 12天以上。
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transcript.gazette[26].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[26].start 2026-04-16T09:42:47.725000+08:00
transcript.gazette[26].guessed
transcript.gazette[26].end 2026-04-16T09:42:49.226000+08:00
transcript.gazette[26].text 因為每天有上上下下。
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transcript.gazette[27].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[27].start 2026-04-16T09:42:49.366000+08:00
transcript.gazette[27].guessed
transcript.gazette[27].end 2026-04-16T09:42:50.527000+08:00
transcript.gazette[27].text 我知道,法定是12天……
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transcript.gazette[28].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[28].start 2026-04-16T09:42:51.287000+08:00
transcript.gazette[28].guessed
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transcript.gazette[28].text 法定是11天。
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transcript.gazette[29].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[29].start 2026-04-16T09:42:51.728000+08:00
transcript.gazette[29].guessed
transcript.gazette[29].end 2026-04-16T09:42:52.548000+08:00
transcript.gazette[29].text 11天,你們目前的存量是幾天?
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transcript.gazette[30].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[30].start 2026-04-16T09:42:56.553000+08:00
transcript.gazette[30].guessed
transcript.gazette[30].end 2026-04-16T09:42:57.294000+08:00
transcript.gazette[30].text 就差不多12天。
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transcript.gazette[31].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[31].start 2026-04-16T09:42:58.815000+08:00
transcript.gazette[31].guessed
transcript.gazette[31].end 2026-04-16T09:42:59.135000+08:00
transcript.gazette[31].text 石油呢?
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transcript.gazette[32].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[32].start 2026-04-16T09:42:59.936000+08:00
transcript.gazette[32].guessed
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transcript.gazette[32].text 石油是法定90天,現在是一百四十幾天。
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transcript.gazette[33].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[33].start 2026-04-16T09:43:05.901000+08:00
transcript.gazette[33].guessed
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transcript.gazette[33].text 現在是一百四十幾天?
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transcript.gazette[34].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[34].start 2026-04-16T09:43:06.682000+08:00
transcript.gazette[34].guessed 1
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transcript.gazette[34].text 對,一百四十幾天。煤呢?
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transcript.gazette[35].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[35].start 2026-04-16T09:43:08.223000+08:00
transcript.gazette[35].guessed
transcript.gazette[35].end 2026-04-16T09:43:13.868000+08:00
transcript.gazette[35].text 煤的話,原則是30天,現在都超過,接近40天。
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transcript.gazette[36].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[36].start 2026-04-16T09:43:14.228000+08:00
transcript.gazette[36].guessed
transcript.gazette[36].end 2026-04-16T09:43:14.408000+08:00
transcript.gazette[36].text 40天左右,是不是?
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transcript.gazette[37].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[37].start 2026-04-16T09:43:14.968000+08:00
transcript.gazette[37].guessed
transcript.gazette[37].end 2026-04-16T09:43:23.235000+08:00
transcript.gazette[37].text 所以即便有什麼狀況,就算和談沒有成功,我們還是可以安然渡過幾天?
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transcript.gazette[38].start 2026-04-16T09:43:24.662000+08:00
transcript.gazette[38].guessed
transcript.gazette[38].end 2026-04-16T09:43:31.305000+08:00
transcript.gazette[38].text 因為我們一直都在調度,所以剛剛提到的天然氣天數都沒有減少。
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transcript.gazette[39].speaker 龔部長明鑫
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transcript.gazette[39].end 2026-04-16T09:43:41.129000+08:00
transcript.gazette[39].text 雖然打仗已經打一個月了,即使我們有用掉的,也不斷地進來,所以都會維持住備用的天數。
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transcript.gazette[40].start 2026-04-16T09:43:42.546000+08:00
transcript.gazette[40].guessed
transcript.gazette[40].end 2026-04-16T09:43:57.160000+08:00
transcript.gazette[40].text 所以未來即便和談不成,我們的天然氣、石油及煤的存量用於發電或者用於民生及工業的都是足夠的,是不是這樣?
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transcript.gazette[41].guessed
transcript.gazette[41].end 2026-04-16T09:43:59.562000+08:00
transcript.gazette[41].text 對,我們現在仍持續在調度當中,所以現在……
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transcript.gazette[42].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[42].start 2026-04-16T09:44:01.144000+08:00
transcript.gazette[42].guessed
transcript.gazette[42].end 2026-04-16T09:44:01.804000+08:00
transcript.gazette[42].text 龔部長要保證,是不是?
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transcript.gazette[43].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[43].start 2026-04-16T09:44:02.745000+08:00
transcript.gazette[43].guessed
transcript.gazette[43].end 2026-04-16T09:44:03.346000+08:00
transcript.gazette[43].text 一定要做到,這個是因為民生……
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transcript.gazette[44].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[44].start 2026-04-16T09:44:04.287000+08:00
transcript.gazette[44].guessed
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transcript.gazette[44].text 龔部長要保證喔!
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transcript.gazette[45].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[45].start 2026-04-16T09:44:04.507000+08:00
transcript.gazette[45].guessed 1
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transcript.gazette[45].text 對,因為它是法定的。
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transcript.gazette[46].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[46].start 2026-04-16T09:44:04.827000+08:00
transcript.gazette[46].guessed
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transcript.gazette[46].text 龔部長要保證,是不是?
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transcript.gazette[47].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[47].start 2026-04-16T09:44:08.811000+08:00
transcript.gazette[47].guessed
transcript.gazette[47].end 2026-04-16T09:44:10.672000+08:00
transcript.gazette[47].text 對,因為它是法定的,我們一定要做到。好。
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transcript.gazette[48].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[48].start 2026-04-16T09:44:11.713000+08:00
transcript.gazette[48].guessed
transcript.gazette[48].end 2026-04-16T09:44:26.224000+08:00
transcript.gazette[48].text 還有,我想要請問,今天講的是再生能源,我們知道,現在很多風場有融資的困難,有可能併網會延宕。
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transcript.gazette[49].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[49].start 2026-04-16T09:44:26.805000+08:00
transcript.gazette[49].guessed
transcript.gazette[49].end 2026-04-16T09:44:34.211000+08:00
transcript.gazette[49].text 如果開發商因為財務的因素放棄開發,經濟部是否有遞補機制呢?
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transcript.gazette[50].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[50].start 2026-04-16T09:44:38.388000+08:00
transcript.gazette[50].guessed
transcript.gazette[50].end 2026-04-16T09:44:46.356000+08:00
transcript.gazette[50].text 目前如果放棄的話,風場就空下來,我們會移到下一次選商的時候再進行招商。
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transcript.gazette[51].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[51].start 2026-04-16T09:44:47.076000+08:00
transcript.gazette[51].guessed
transcript.gazette[51].end 2026-04-16T09:44:49.959000+08:00
transcript.gazette[51].text 就是下一次選商的時候,再進行招商?對。
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transcript.gazette[52].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[52].start 2026-04-16T09:44:51.340000+08:00
transcript.gazette[52].guessed
transcript.gazette[52].end 2026-04-16T09:44:52.281000+08:00
transcript.gazette[52].text 你怎麼樣確定2030年10.9GW的目標不會跳票呢?
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transcript.gazette[53].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[53].start 2026-04-16T09:44:58.857000+08:00
transcript.gazette[53].guessed
transcript.gazette[53].end 2026-04-16T09:45:15.948000+08:00
transcript.gazette[53].text 所以我們在3.3的選商機制也做了一些改變,強化他實際的經驗,還有他財務能力的比重分數予以加強,所以比較可以確保不會發生你剛才提到的這些問題。
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transcript.gazette[54].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[54].start 2026-04-16T09:45:17.769000+08:00
transcript.gazette[54].guessed
transcript.gazette[54].end 2026-04-16T09:45:34.958000+08:00
transcript.gazette[54].text 對,還有剛才提到的,就是分散電網這樣的方式,因為在電網的規劃上,包括人口密集區以及工業區的用電,過去和現在在區域規劃上可能都不一樣了。
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transcript.gazette[55].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[55].start 2026-04-16T09:45:40.861000+08:00
transcript.gazette[55].guessed
transcript.gazette[55].end 2026-04-16T09:45:47.487000+08:00
transcript.gazette[55].text 如果為了電網的韌性,則目前5,645億的計畫,是否足夠支撐分散電網的建置?
transcript.gazette[55].quality 0.9
transcript.gazette[56].speaker 王總經理耀庭
transcript.gazette[56].start 2026-04-16T09:45:55.931000+08:00
transcript.gazette[56].guessed
transcript.gazette[56].end 2026-04-16T09:46:12.227000+08:00
transcript.gazette[56].text 跟委員報告,5,645億大概是兩年前那時候提出的數字,一個電網的建設絕對不是一個時間點定下來之後,就固定是那個數字,而是每年都在滾動檢討,有時會因應特殊需求而增加。
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transcript.gazette[57].speaker 王總經理耀庭
transcript.gazette[57].start 2026-04-16T09:46:13.288000+08:00
transcript.gazette[57].guessed
transcript.gazette[57].end 2026-04-16T09:46:26.257000+08:00
transcript.gazette[57].text 像最近在半導體業這麼夯的狀況之下,他們的用電申請增加,我們就會因應不同地區的用電,特別再增加一些線路出來。
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transcript.gazette[58].speaker 王總經理耀庭
transcript.gazette[58].start 2026-04-16T09:46:26.957000+08:00
transcript.gazette[58].guessed
transcript.gazette[58].end 2026-04-16T09:46:34.779000+08:00
transcript.gazette[58].text 或者再生能源在某些地區因為開放了,導致必須增加一些線路,我們也會在這方面來增加線路。
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transcript.gazette[59].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[59].start 2026-04-16T09:46:35.999000+08:00
transcript.gazette[59].guessed
transcript.gazette[59].end 2026-04-16T09:46:47.082000+08:00
transcript.gazette[59].text 如果就像你說的,半導體、AI需求增加的時候,當分母增加了,是不是我們相關再生能源的比例就要提高了?
transcript.gazette[59].quality 1
transcript.gazette[60].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[60].start 2026-04-16T09:46:47.762000+08:00
transcript.gazette[60].guessed
transcript.gazette[60].end 2026-04-16T09:46:48.943000+08:00
transcript.gazette[60].text 這樣子的目標,你們有沒有辦法達到?
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transcript.gazette[61].speaker 王總經理耀庭
transcript.gazette[61].start 2026-04-16T09:46:51.754000+08:00
transcript.gazette[61].guessed
transcript.gazette[61].end 2026-04-16T09:46:52.796000+08:00
transcript.gazette[61].text 目標訂定的部分,我想是……
transcript.gazette[61].quality 0.6
transcript.gazette[62].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[62].start 2026-04-16T09:46:54.538000+08:00
transcript.gazette[62].guessed
transcript.gazette[62].end 2026-04-16T09:47:10.095000+08:00
transcript.gazette[62].text 報告委員,就像您講的,目標我們希望儘量來達成,可是分母跟分子基本上都一直在變化,但既然是目標,我們還是會盡力啦!對啊!
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transcript.gazette[63].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[63].start 2026-04-16T09:47:11.876000+08:00
transcript.gazette[63].guessed
transcript.gazette[63].end 2026-04-16T09:47:37.285000+08:00
transcript.gazette[63].text 我現在也是問到一個大家關心的核心,就是屋頂型的光電或者是漁電共生的光電也好,你也知道我們臺灣有土地的問題,所以這個跟鄰近民宅、跟其他的農田等等相隔的距離是多少?
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transcript.gazette[64].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[64].start 2026-04-16T09:47:38.186000+08:00
transcript.gazette[64].guessed
transcript.gazette[64].end 2026-04-16T09:47:42.488000+08:00
transcript.gazette[64].text 會不會讓周邊的民眾覺得不舒服?
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transcript.gazette[65].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[65].start 2026-04-16T09:47:43.488000+08:00
transcript.gazette[65].guessed
transcript.gazette[65].end 2026-04-16T09:47:49.411000+08:00
transcript.gazette[65].text 如果為了要達成所要求的分子,要怎麼樣來擴大呢?
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transcript.gazette[66].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[66].start 2026-04-16T09:47:50.272000+08:00
transcript.gazette[66].guessed
transcript.gazette[66].end 2026-04-16T09:47:56.475000+08:00
transcript.gazette[66].text 臺灣所有的土地,是否足夠讓這些光電設施來設置?
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transcript.gazette[67].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[67].start 2026-04-16T09:47:58.376000+08:00
transcript.gazette[67].guessed
transcript.gazette[67].end 2026-04-16T09:48:07.562000+08:00
transcript.gazette[67].text 現在光電已經進行很長一段時間了,光電板的回收有沒有辦法達到永續?
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transcript.gazette[68].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[68].start 2026-04-16T09:48:07.562000+08:00
transcript.gazette[68].guessed
transcript.gazette[68].end 2026-04-16T09:48:28.889000+08:00
transcript.gazette[68].text 過去幾次在風災、在天災的時候,都有光電板的耗損,藉由這樣一個過程,我們有沒有一個比較好的光電板回收機制,能夠讓環境不會受到相關的傷害?
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transcript.gazette[69].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[69].start 2026-04-16T09:48:29.769000+08:00
transcript.gazette[69].guessed
transcript.gazette[69].end 2026-04-16T09:48:34.010000+08:00
transcript.gazette[69].text 以及未來如何提高光電的發電效率?
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transcript.gazette[70].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[70].start 2026-04-16T09:48:35.410000+08:00
transcript.gazette[70].guessed
transcript.gazette[70].end 2026-04-16T09:48:40.292000+08:00
transcript.gazette[70].text 如果不能增加面積,是不是從發電的效率裡面去增加呢?
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transcript.gazette[71].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[71].start 2026-04-16T09:48:42.532000+08:00
transcript.gazette[71].guessed
transcript.gazette[71].end 2026-04-16T09:48:43.272000+08:00
transcript.gazette[71].text 你們是不是能夠說明一下?
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transcript.gazette[72].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[72].start 2026-04-16T09:48:43.352000+08:00
transcript.gazette[72].guessed
transcript.gazette[72].end 2026-04-16T09:48:45.833000+08:00
transcript.gazette[72].text 方向上就是這樣,剛剛提到的……
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transcript.gazette[73].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[73].start 2026-04-16T09:48:46.894000+08:00
transcript.gazette[73].guessed
transcript.gazette[73].end 2026-04-16T09:48:48.014000+08:00
transcript.gazette[73].text 方向上就是這樣?
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transcript.gazette[74].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[74].start 2026-04-16T09:48:48.014000+08:00
transcript.gazette[74].guessed
transcript.gazette[74].end 2026-04-16T09:48:48.975000+08:00
transcript.gazette[74].text 那換我來做好了!
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transcript.gazette[75].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[75].start 2026-04-16T09:48:53.176000+08:00
transcript.gazette[75].guessed
transcript.gazette[75].end 2026-04-16T09:48:58.118000+08:00
transcript.gazette[75].text 環保有三法,已經有改變了,我們當然會按照那個規定,看看怎麼樣跟環境相容,這個我們會儘量來處理。
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transcript.gazette[76].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[76].start 2026-04-16T09:48:58.258000+08:00
transcript.gazette[76].guessed
transcript.gazette[76].end 2026-04-16T09:49:09.084000+08:00
transcript.gazette[76].text 屋頂型爭議比較少,我們就來加強,至於您剛才提到的部分,同樣的面積之下,他現在的轉換效率是提高的,可以從技術上來做一些突破。
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transcript.gazette[77].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[77].start 2026-04-16T09:49:10.184000+08:00
transcript.gazette[77].guessed
transcript.gazette[77].end 2026-04-16T09:49:19.510000+08:00
transcript.gazette[77].text 從過去可能只有百分之十幾而已,現在已經慢慢達到百分之二十幾,將來可能到百分之三十,等於在同樣的面積之下,他的發電量未來可以達到二倍或是三倍。
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transcript.gazette[78].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[78].start 2026-04-16T09:49:20.330000+08:00
transcript.gazette[78].guessed
transcript.gazette[78].end 2026-04-16T09:49:21.451000+08:00
transcript.gazette[78].text 提高發電的效率嗎?對、對。
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transcript.gazette[79].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[79].start 2026-04-16T09:49:21.451000+08:00
transcript.gazette[79].guessed
transcript.gazette[79].end 2026-04-16T09:49:23.712000+08:00
transcript.gazette[79].text 可是問題是……
transcript.gazette[79].quality 1
transcript.gazette[80].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[80].start 2026-04-16T09:49:25.853000+08:00
transcript.gazette[80].guessed
transcript.gazette[80].end 2026-04-16T09:49:40.322000+08:00
transcript.gazette[80].text 報告委員,我們現在配合您剛才提到的,他原本可以發電的時間可能是20年,現在已經發電十幾年了,我們鼓勵他汰舊換新,這樣的話舊的也可以回收……
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transcript.gazette[81].start 2026-04-16T09:49:43.845000+08:00
transcript.gazette[81].guessed
transcript.gazette[81].end 2026-04-16T09:49:51.029000+08:00
transcript.gazette[81].text 你們回收相關的流程以及機制有沒有做好相關的永續要求?
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transcript.gazette[82].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[82].start 2026-04-16T09:49:51.029000+08:00
transcript.gazette[82].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[82].end 2026-04-16T09:49:52.310000+08:00
transcript.gazette[82].text 是,已經做好了。
transcript.gazette[82].quality 0
transcript.gazette[83].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[83].start 2026-04-16T09:49:52.310000+08:00
transcript.gazette[83].guessed
transcript.gazette[83].end 2026-04-16T09:50:01.256000+08:00
transcript.gazette[83].text 所以你們會希望業者把既定的光電型太陽能板換掉,然後就可以提高效率嗎?是、是。
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transcript.gazette[84].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[84].start 2026-04-16T09:50:01.717000+08:00
transcript.gazette[84].guessed
transcript.gazette[84].end 2026-04-16T09:50:04.999000+08:00
transcript.gazette[84].text 那你要提供什麼樣的誘因給他們?
transcript.gazette[84].quality 1
transcript.gazette[85].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[85].start 2026-04-16T09:50:05.459000+08:00
transcript.gazette[85].guessed
transcript.gazette[85].end 2026-04-16T09:50:10.783000+08:00
transcript.gazette[85].text 因為已經設立了,所以給他們什麼樣的誘因呢?
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transcript.gazette[86].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[86].start 2026-04-16T09:50:11.384000+08:00
transcript.gazette[86].guessed
transcript.gazette[86].end 2026-04-16T09:50:15.887000+08:00
transcript.gazette[86].text 不然他本來就是按照回收機制這樣的設計……
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transcript.gazette[87].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[87].start 2026-04-16T09:50:15.887000+08:00
transcript.gazette[87].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[87].end 2026-04-16T09:50:16.887000+08:00
transcript.gazette[87].text 對,有設計相關的誘因。
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transcript.gazette[88].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[88].start 2026-04-16T09:50:16.848000+08:00
transcript.gazette[88].guessed
transcript.gazette[88].end 2026-04-16T09:50:22.332000+08:00
transcript.gazette[88].text 你要如何讓他去汰換舊的、換上高效率的,要怎麼樣做呢?
transcript.gazette[88].quality 0.826
transcript.gazette[89].speaker 龔部長明鑫
transcript.gazette[89].start 2026-04-16T09:50:23.152000+08:00
transcript.gazette[89].guessed
transcript.gazette[89].end 2026-04-16T09:50:44.268000+08:00
transcript.gazette[89].text 比如說,原來是可以發電20年,而他現在已經發電15年了,其他5年的部分,因為他汰換以後效率提高了,但是我們還是保障他這5年以過去的躉售價格計算,額外的部分,他就是可以額外獲得,所以對他來講是非常好的一個方式。
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transcript.gazette[90].speaker 謝委員衣鳯
transcript.gazette[90].start 2026-04-16T09:50:44.808000+08:00
transcript.gazette[90].guessed
transcript.gazette[90].end 2026-04-16T09:50:45.769000+08:00
transcript.gazette[90].text 好,謝謝。
transcript.gazette[90].quality 1
transcript.gazette[91].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[91].start 2026-04-16T09:50:45.769000+08:00
transcript.gazette[91].guessed
transcript.gazette[91].end 2026-04-16T09:50:45.889000+08:00
transcript.gazette[91].text 謝謝謝衣鳯委員,部長先回座。
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transcript.gazette[92].speaker 主席
transcript.gazette[92].start 2026-04-16T09:50:46.389000+08:00
transcript.gazette[92].guessed 1
transcript.gazette[92].end 2026-04-16T09:50:49.531857+08:00
transcript.gazette[92].text 下一位請楊瓊瓔委員質詢。
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