| IVOD_ID |
168605 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168605 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-16T09:41:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-16T09:50:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5c6c6faabdac9c288ad3602c9b83097124d82c1ebe87fe24e9e0844c744c9d518406a17fcd3ca4bb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:05 - 09:50:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長、國家發展委員會主任委員及農業部部長就「我國再生能源及電網韌性之發展現況、建置進度、容量目標、推動困境、法規障礙及相關改善對策」進行報告，並備質詢。
【4月15日及4月16日二天一次會】） |
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我們下位質詢 請謝玉鳳委員好 謝謝主席 我想要請工部長請經濟部工部長等一下喔謝委員早安工部長早安 等一下我請他處理一下這個 |
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國務部長早 能不能找台電跟中郵台電總經理 王總經理跟中郵方董事長你那天有給川普打電話是不是沒有停戰了是不是 要停戰了嗎確定16號會和談 會不會停戰我們密切觀察 但是這個訊息萬變訊息萬變沒有辦法那麼把握 但是我們會準備該我們準備好的事情 |
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對 我就是要問你們該準備的有沒有準備我們的法定天然氣法定石油以及法定的煤的用量現在是多少 |
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現在計的部分大概是11天以上嘛那是法定的那你們現在的存量有多少現在大概超過這個數字超過這個數字是多少12天嘛 那個誰對 董事長是目前的存量12天以上是幾天12天以上因為它每一天有上上下下我知道法定是12天嘛法定是11天你們現在目前的存量是幾天 |
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就差不多12天那石油呢石油大概法定是90天現在是140幾天現在是140幾天那煤煤的話是原生30天現在都超過接近4040天左右所以即便有什麼狀況就是核彈沒有成功我們還是可以安然度過幾天 |
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對我們因為一直都在調度嘛所以這個剛剛提到天然氣的那個天數都沒有減少所以打仗已經打一個月了但是我們有用掉的不斷的進來嘛所以那個都會維持住那個備用的這個 |
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所以未來如果即便核彈不成的時候我們的天然氣、石油以及煤的存量用於發電或者用於民生以及工業的都是足夠的,是不是這樣?對,我們現在持續在調度當中所以現在...滾不著要保證是不是?一定要做到啊滾不著要保證啊,滾不著要保證啊 |
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是不是對 因為它是法定的我們一定要做到好還有我想要請問因為今天講的是這個再生能源那我們知道現在有很多的風場他們有融資的困難有可能病亡會延宕那如果開發商因為財務的因素放棄開發那是否你們經濟部有地補的這個機制呢 |
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目前他如果放棄的話那個封鎖就空下來我們會把移到下一次選商的時候再進行招商就是下一次選商的時候再進行招商那你怎麼樣確定2030年10.9G的這個目標不會跳票呢 |
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所以我們事實上在3.3的選商的機制也做了一些改變強化這個他實際的經驗還有他的財務的能力的比重分數把它加強了所以就是說比較可以確保不會發生您剛才提到的這樣的一些問題 |
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還有現在我們剛才就在提到的就是分散電網的這樣子的方式因為過去的電網有很多就是說過去是人口密集區跟現在的人口密集區以及現在的工業區的用電可能區域的規劃都不一樣了 |
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目前如果為了電網的韌性那我們目前的5645億的這樣計畫是否能夠足夠來支撐這樣子的分散電網的建制 |
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跟委員報告5645億是在大概兩年前那時候提出來的一個數字嘛那一個電網的建設絕對不是說一個時間點定下來之後就固定是那個數字而是每年都在滾動檢討有因應特殊的需求出來而增加比如說像最近的那個在半導體業這麼夯的狀況之下他們的用電申請增加那麼我們就會因應 |
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在不同地區的這些用電特別再增加一些線路出來類似像這個或者再生能源在某些地區因為開放所以導致必須要增加一些線路那麼我們也會在這方面就增加線路所以如果就像你說的半導體AI的需求增加的時候那當分母增加了那是不是我們相關的再生能源的比例就要提高了那這樣子的目標你們有沒有辦法達到 |
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目標定定我想是報委員就是就像您講的這個是目標我們是盡量希望可以達成但是分母跟分子基本上都一直在變化所以我們是就是還是既然是目標我們還是盡力啦 |
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對啊那總不能夠我現在也是問到一個就是大家關心的核心喔就是我們對於這樣子屋頂型的光電或者是漁電工程的光電也好那因為你知道我們台灣的土地的問題嗎那我們跟鄰近的就是說民宅跟其他的就是說農田等等的那相隔的距離是多少那會不會有 |
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讓周邊的民眾覺得不舒服那如果為了要達成這個分子那是不是要做怎麼樣子的擴大那台灣所有的土地有沒有辦法足夠讓 |
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這些光電設施設施以及現在光電已經進行了很久了一個很長的時間了那光電板的回收呢有沒有辦法達到永續過去幾次在風災在天災的時候都有光電板的耗損那 |
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藉由這樣子的一個過程裡面我們有沒有一個比較好的光電回收的光電板回收的機制能夠讓環境不會受到相關的傷害那以及未來怎麼樣提高光電的發電的效率你如果不能增加面積還是你是在發電的效率裡面去增加呢這是不是能夠 |
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你們是不是能說一下方向上就是這樣那剛剛提到的就是說方向上是這樣那換我來做好了不是 環境三法有環保有三法已經改變了嘛那我們當然按照那個怎麼樣跟環境相容這個我們盡量來處理那屋頂型爭議比較少我們就來加強 |
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那您剛才提到的部分就是說同樣的面積之下它現在的轉換效率是提高的技術上來做一些突破從過去的可能只有可能只有百分之十幾而已那現在已經慢慢到二十幾將來可能到三十所以它等於是同樣的面積之下它的發電量可以未來提高發電的效率嗎可是問題是現在我們現在配合就是說您剛才提到的 |
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他原來可能可以發電的時間是15年20年他可能現在已經15年10幾年了我們鼓勵他太舊換新這樣的話他也可以回收他的舊的回收那你們回收的相關的流程以及機制有沒有做好有序的有沒有做好有序的這樣子的相關的那個所以你們會 |
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希望說業者把既定的光電型的這樣太陽能板換掉然後提高這個效率嗎是是是那但是你要提供什麼樣的誘因給他們啊因為設立已經設立了嘛那怎麼樣子給他們誘因那不然他本來就是按照他的回收機制這樣子的這個設計下來那你怎麼樣子讓他能夠去汰換舊的換上高效率的那怎麼樣做呢 |
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比如說來講他原來是可以發電20年嘛那他現在15年了那15年來講那個5年就是我們汰換以後他效率提高了但是我們還是保障他這個5年過去的這個本售價格那額外的部分呢他就是可以額外獲得所以對他來講是非常好的一個方式好謝謝謝謝謝謝分委員 |