| IVOD_ID |
16859 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16859 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-3-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
24 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-12T08:30:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-12T17:50:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:19:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60927ca64d14b3cf3e4445fc32f41448fc0a4a8e3640dc7cc20b75c598f27662b285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第3會期第24次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等13案。（8月8日）二、邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長列席，提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢。（8月12日）三、8月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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08:30:16 - 17:50:00 |
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好 報告委員會現在我們繼續開會李燕秀委員發表聲明對上週五的表決與國民黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄報告委員會現在我們進行行政院院長提出丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建專案報告並被質詢我們歡迎卓院長以及所有被詢的官員首先請行政院卓院長提出報告 |
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韓院長 江副院長 各位委員先進國人跟國會都非常關心戴納斯颱風以及其後728豪雨造成的國家人民各項的災損所以今天特別安排行政院前來做詳細的專案報告 |
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今年的7月6號丹納斯颱風挾著強風 豪雨 侵襲南台灣帶來17級的陣風也下了等於是過去莫拉克颱風等級的豪雨甚至超過高雄茂林地區山區的雨量 |
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中雨量超過3000毫米這是非常多的下雨量也等於是台灣一整年平均的雨量這個颱風跟728的豪雨造成的污損達到4萬3000多戶電線桿的毀損也有3500隻 |
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電力 通訊 農業水利設施 道路 交通都受到空前的一個破壞對民生及生活各種條件都造成相當大的衝擊這個期間 中央應變中心 |
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隨著成績而開設總統以及我本人也數次到達應變中心那我在這期間當中七月份到八月初一共到災區八次看到的真的是所有的災區民眾生活上非常的不方便財產的損失非常的大無論是居家 無論是他的產業無論是餘溫 無論是農產 |
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所以我們親自到嘉義台南高雄屏東彰化雲林高雄等地都進行了限地的瞭解 |
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所以我在第一時間我們就合定了丹納斯颱風災害協助的救助的專案事項包括它的復原衛助金依照房屋受損面積的不同給予5萬至10萬不等的復原衛助金而且也為了讓工班能夠迅速的經過媒合去修繕 |
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也定定的上工津貼一萬五到三萬不等同時也希望災區民眾跟營造的單位能夠加速的媒合也 |
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采用了媒合的奖励金原来到8月17以前希望大家尽快的媒合 尽快的签约 尽快的施工因为实在是数量非常的庞大现在主管工程会也提出希望把8月17的奖励金的期限延长到8月底我想这个也是基于事实之所需要然后我们又提出了丹娜斯台风以及728豪雨 |
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災後復原重建的特別條例目前這個條例經過行政院院會正送請大院在審議之中我也非常感謝韓院長跟大院委員幾乎是用最快的速度進覆二讀 |
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我也期待能夠用最快的速度我們予以通過之後行政院將具以編訂特別預算將所受到的傷害能夠用更及時的方式來加以修復能夠加以回復他的生活秩序那麼在丹拉斯颱風期間由內政部長劉時芳擔任中央應變中心指揮官他開了19次的工作會議 |
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7月8日的豪雨由經濟部郭智慧部長擔任指揮官他開了26次的工作會議每次的會議集結所有進駐單位詳細報告也提出方式最後做總結 |
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其中有數次總統跟我本人都到現場也一一感謝所有的在進駐的單位的人同時我們也數次跟受災地區的縣市首長進行視訊了解狀況期待能夠更進一步掌握情況提出解決的方式 |
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烏納丹奈斯颱風的災情確實非常的大他已經到7月18日我們統計總共有兩位國人喪失了生命708位受傷而且有 |
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淹水地區有210處國道與省道的災情有27處維生系統方面停水有7萬戶停電高達100萬戶基地台受損1322座市化停化12000戶農產的民間設施的損失高達32億元 |
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這都是非常高的目前已經一一在處理當中至於728豪雨的部分也造成了五位國人失去的生命五人失蹤 101人受傷三人失蹤 對不起 101人受傷淹水地區達到789處道路受損 有13條路線13段受到阻隔停水8712戶 |
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停電有57,655戶基地台受損高達69座市化停化也有904戶農損及民間設施的損失有3.8億雖然兩次颱風造成的損害不同但是因為它是連續性的複合型的所以等於是在第一次颱風之後再加上好雨而且是整整的一個月都讓中南部的國人 |
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身处在这样的环境底下我们对所有国人包括他失去了生命的家属受伤还有所有的财政的损失生活的不便我们都表达非常高的关心甚至我们表达非常多的歉意在任何的公共设施不足的情况底下让国人生活上蒙受这样的一个辛苦我们唯有往后继续来加强维护起来 |
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也因為看到這個複合性連續性的自災是相當的時間長程度嚴重因此我們在丹納斯颱風之後緊急的就剛剛說的未復原的未住金善工獎勵金跟媒合獎勵金之外我們盡量引進工班幫 |
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數萬戶的國人修繕他的房子但是因為工人人數實在有限而且物料緊急的集合也實在是短時間內很難一次完成但是經過我們的工程會各單位還是極力的來協助地方完成這個事情 |
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但是进行到一段程度之后又加上7月8的豪雨自灾因此我们认为有需要就在当地就已经发生的台风风灾以及7月8的豪雨成立一个前进指挥所因此在7月30号就正式的成立了云加南地区灾后复原的前进指挥所由工程会的陈金德主委担任指挥官由副主委以及我们的行政院顾问来担任副指挥官 |
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而很欣慰的他們在短時間內幾天內就發揮了相當大的效率不僅全國的營造業的工會全新的希望投入我們也把所有的政府部門部會裡面有關於工程在進行的各單位下去認養台南的17個行政區由每一個行政區的認養來加速推動那麼這個工作已經持續在進行這個就是我們所謂的技術資源團隊到 |
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7月30到8月11號為止我們有214個廠商願意投入這樣的一個資源工作同時我們已經有2036戶的 |
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受災國人他能夠登記要媒合營造業各個單位來將幫他修葬房屋的這個意願已經有2036戶同時有1917戶已經在安排媒合當中目前簽約的有200多戶施工中的有40幾戶已完工的也有36戶 |
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或許這個數字還是很少但是知道在那個惡劣的環境底下一邊施工一邊還在下大雨是非常難的同時我也要感謝包括各地方的包括台南的志工行善團以及民間的慈濟單位比如慈濟的師兄師姊們在第一時間也進到現場提供熱食幫助修繕房屋我們看到的是一個非常感動的景象 |
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那服務員的前進指揮所也成立了七個工作分組分別派員進駐 協助各個 |
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問題的推動跟解決那重要的事項有包括赴任陽剛剛說的任陽各鄉鎮市區媒合廠商來協助民宅的修繕還有能夠穩定這個屋頂修繕的材料跟它施工費用的價格這個是很重要的還是有一些 |
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原物料在波動當中那前進指揮所也用大量採購集體採購的方式來穩定這些材料跟施工費用的價格同時獎勵民眾在短的時間內能夠簽約來修繕同時我們對於這個石棉瓦也進行了未來會在特別條例當中進行相關重要的補助希望能夠免除它大家認為有環境污染上的這個恐懼跟憂慮 |
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另外对于畜牧业也希望在最短的时间内能够来协助他让他完成他的产业的恢复协助民众早日恢复家园除了各项的机关团点之外我们对民众的生活辅助我们的第一时间也包括租屋的补助包括淹水的救助住宅修缮以及农业救助等等也都提出了第一时间的比过去更多而且是更有实质内容帮助的一些新的措施 |
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我們甚至要求已經毀損的房屋能夠拆除那不論你是什麼樣的身份只要你願意在九月底能夠拆除拆除的費用由政府一律來吸收 |
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那對於修繕的費用我們也對於低收入中低收入戶以及一些生活上的經濟弱勢者中央不僅自己願意來投入全額的來負擔也有很多民間的營造廠商他們是自動自發的免費為中低及低收入戶的這些受災民眾來免費修繕 |
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這個我們表示非常大的感謝那這次丹納斯颱風的路徑非常的詭異甚至是百年來很難走這樣的路徑下來強風豪雨從西部登陸直接北上沒有經過中央山脈的阻隔因為因此台灣所受到的電力跟通訊系統造成了非常嚴重的損失我們也知道這個造成大家生活的不便 |
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我們也去到現場邀集三大電信業者希望他們能夠不僅自己趕快修復也採取相互之間能夠減輕費用之間的漫遊來增加之間的聯繫讓國人能夠在最短的時間內維護恢復最起碼的通訊的必要這個也都在做但是每個電線每個基地台架設很高的基地台高達30公尺 |
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毀壞之後臨時基地台高度不夠高角度不能夠完成的調整造成基地台臨時性回復之後很多的通訊還是在那種不能夠穩定的接收的狀況底下這個也是在技術上目前予以突破的未來我們要從事更多的安全韌性比方從微波從衛星方面以及行動 |
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行動車 行動機械車輛以及移動式的發電機等等更多樣的來充裕各方的設備希望災害不要來一旦再來我們有更充裕的更多的設備不僅三大業者要準備政府機關也要充分的來處理這些事情 |
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本院所擬定的復原重建特別條例剛剛說過拜託大院能夠儘速的能夠審議這其中我們從農業我們從電力跟電信系統我們從自來水從家園的恢復以及到水利設施從道路交通環境整理以及到社會跟產業的支持等等我們都做了相當深入的研析希望能夠有足夠的力量來撐住 |
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災區受損民眾的各項條件至於何謂災區在條例的第二條草案第二條明顯寫到受創地區的範圍是要由行政院來公告所以我們也請主管機關工程會能夠來實際上了解 |
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所有台灣各地區有實際上自災的地區都能夠用比較寬鬆的方式來認定將它納入到災區 納入災區之後未來就可以適用到特別條例特別預算當中對所有各面向的支持行政院未來將整合中央地方跟民間的力量全力的來完成災後的重建 |
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但是我相信面對這種極端氣候我們準備的速度再怎麼快都很難百分之百的掌握那這一次在大家共同的關心底下我也承認我們面對這樣強風好雨我們的韌性不足 |
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我們面對這樣的電力電訊的破壞情況底下我們修復的速度不足我們面對這種複合性連續性的災害底下我們去媒合整合的能力不足所以未來我們用更強韌的力量來面對用更快速的速度來回應來面對用更廣泛的支持力道來面對這行政院在這次累積之後我認為我應該對內要求做到這個 |
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就是用更強韌來面對各種災害用更廣泛的支持力道來面對各種災害以及用更快速的回應速度來面對各種災害我希望上天給我們這個考題我們跟國人共同來累積經驗而且 |
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很榮幸得到國會的支持跟策進在我們各項在速度各方面不及的地方很多的委員跟地方的議員都給我們很多很多的意見事實來導正各種的速度跟方向 |
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所以我認為未來行政院要做更安全的準備我們願意承擔未來的責任我們也願意為這一次所有的不足向國人表示最大的歉意但這個不是在口頭上我們願意用未來的行動來具體的回落 |
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國人跟所有社會關心的人士讓行政院能夠通過大院的特別條例制定特別預算之後我們更嚴謹有效率的執行來加速災區的恢復工作這是我現在心中最大的願望謝謝各位 謝謝好 非常感謝卓院長的報告 |
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現在我們進行委員諮詢每位委員詢答時間不超過15分鐘輪到諮詢的委員如果不在場我們視為棄權首先我們請鍾嘉斌委員諮詢傅坤祺委員請準備 |
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主席在場委員先進列席的政府機關上官員會長工作夥伴媒體接任女士先生有請我們卓院長以及農業部陳部長經濟部郭部長後面可能會包括了我們的交通部還有我們的財政部請準備麻煩請卓院長農業部經濟部備詢 |
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總務員好院長好兩位部長好請問院長您覺得這一次的颱風加好雨相較於2008年的莫拉克的風災的災害程度哪一個比較嚴重就降雨量而言尤其在許多的山區高雄山區降雨量都超過了莫拉克颱風的等級而且帶來的17級的強風也不可小覷而且災害時期也比較長 |
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更重要的是莫拉克是發生在幾天當中這個是集中風加上豪雨連續幾乎一整個月都曾經在這種風雨狀態之中那您知道嗎當年莫拉克風災在8月8號發生之後政府 |
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在不到20天內就通過了一個災後重建特別條例速度可謂相當的快但是現在距離7月的颱風到現在我們行政院才送來災後重建的特別條例您覺得速度上可以符合災民或社會的期望嗎 |
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是因為原來莫拉克颱風的風力跟雨勢是非常的強但是局限在幾個縣市我們認為由中央地方來合作中央應變中心來指揮調度應該可以面對那樣的一個狀況但是後來看到是污損特別的嚴重再加上修復過程當中雨還是不斷的下雖然到728是好雨但過程施工上是困難的所以我們到728之後才認為說 |
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成立一個前進指揮所而且馬上通過一個特別條例這個在時間上考慮我想我們會深刻的檢討我想站在災區災民的心聲救災是慢了點救災要快但是重建要穩當年的莫拉克風災救災很快但是重建的過程 |
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因為要切中需求以致於我們發現了一些後遺症我們希望這一次救災已經在亡羊補牢了但我們希望重建的特別條例能夠針對我們災區重建的需要來落實進行好不好好的 謝謝我們來看一下這次的0728的豪雨全台農損2.6億 貧農相當多我想在這之後我們馬上就提出對農業部希望對於天然災救助以及農業保險的賠付 |
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還有對農民的設施的損害進行補助是不是這樣那請問部長我們過去這些溫網式的補助平常是政府可以補助幾成我跟委員說明平常的時候我們對溫網式補助是五成那現在遇到特別情況呢 |
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我們現在已經拉到80%很好那麼強固型的溫網最高不超過980萬我跟院長報告一下其實溫網這種設施農業是農業不支持也是未來的趨勢使用設施農業我們可以少用農藥少用肥料而且比較能夠抗後性但是再強的設施遇到極大的風力還是會受損舉例來講一個青龍他回去耕作一甲地的強固型溫網他的設施要2000萬 |
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政府很幫忙給他補助五成補助一千萬他自己要去背一千萬的貸款結果這次損失了現在政府很慷慨說好那這次你重建我補助你八成他是不是還要負擔四成的貸款對不對 |
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還要負責嘛他前面的一千萬還沒有還後面還要再去舉債四百萬縱使政府補助他八成補助他一千六百萬他是不是很吃力部長你覺得我跟委員報告在這次的災害裡面一般我們過去都是用救助金去處理那這次比較特別的是救助金一定是不夠的所以我們用專案補助到八成那專案補助的經費下去不夠的時候我們用貸款的方式來協助對 部長你沒有回答我的問題我就講過了 |
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過去我對農業部多事之心像這樣的設施農業的投資很大超過一般農民能復課他可能要拿土地去抵押但是我們政府的補助再多他還是要去借款那連續的自災他沒有辦法能力去負擔所以我們希望說是不是不要用貸款的 用什麼用租的我舉例 |
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部長跟院長你聽一下 尤其是郭部長企業家兩千萬啦你叫我這個台四百萬 我前陣子一千萬沒行清你就算政府要幫忙 我也憂寒啦但是我們政府補助的這一千八百萬一家庭我們一家庭租金一年要兩百萬 |
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你叫農民負擔一半 負擔一百你偶像這一千六百萬你要補助 你可以補助一十六年啊可以補助一十六年 實際上是補助四個人 四年所以說你要補助他的八成 你換作租金 補貼一半 |
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而且就文房社的人來說我是合資我要出租我當然希望說你如果要定期嘛如果你如果要租金政府幫你補租我就不會煩惱什麼你如果要去嘛所以文房社的合資他就願意說我來去來祝福農民院長你覺得怎麼樣 |
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我覺得凡是能夠減輕農運民的負擔在產業上支持農業部持續一直推出他也提到過如果上一季下一季這個生產不能順利兩季的所有的這個補貼也是會持續來加碼的像類似這個也是一樣的意義我想部長講的用租的方式認為是一個可行所以部長可不可以趕快示範 |
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尤其是農信寶已經開始找一個廠商一個地點已經開始投入了你要不要支持我跟委員講這樣的一個以租代購的這種方式我們農業部絕對支持這個時間點是一個非常重要的就是說因為現在所有的溫室業者都在搶修現在的業者所以我們用示範的方式我們找適當的地點去來主持先支持 謝謝接下來下一個問題就是說這次我們經濟部長在這裡 |
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這一次雲嘉南的風力特別的高17級我們是不是電感倒一堆 沒錯嘛那相較之下那個光電廠的受損是不是大致完整相較於電感 倒了要復電 要復修很難但是光電廠基本上是大致完整的那就產生一個現象風雨過去了啦 日頭出來了啦光電板可以發電啦 電線不出去啦 |
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但是因為電網還沒修理好誰嘛 我的氣溫啦 我的洞口沒電啦 為什麼 因為我是接台電的電電網沒修理好 外面的電送不進來所以我的水車不會碰 我的汽油汽油浮起來 冰凍 我洞口裡面的汽油都噴了 |
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你覺得這個部分我跟郭委員有提出來我們希望未來我們農業的附近的這些光電能夠來支援農業你支不支持這個在現場我們有聽到看到這樣的現象所以我們想到說是不是可以用比較除能的方式或者是 |
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發動機的方式 將這個電能夠送出來讓它形成一個微電網的設置讓它能夠就這個餘溫的業者能夠就近來取得這個電業這個還要做一些銜接的工作這個問題需要經濟部跟農業部公園解決我講給部長聽人家說 人家熟悉在說小伙子要吃氣我在賣瓷碗的 我用的碗是破的 為什麼好的碗要賣給客人破的碗我自己拿來吃飯小伙子吃氣 |
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同樣的道理我們的光電在農村的地區因為綠電比較值錢我做的電廠一定是賣給台電至於我自己餘溫使用的我自己冷凍庫使用的我一定接台電的電所以過去我們的電網的設計沒有這樣的雙向機制所以我們的表後供電我們的雙向開關我們的儲能設施都要趕快來進行柏定你有同意嗎 |
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報告委員我想這個部分都是我們現在極力在改進的部分所以剛才院長有指示就是我們看災看完了回來以後院長有指示就是在這個地區都要形成一個智慧電網也就是說利用光電的部分然後發電然後就屬於它那個地區裡面來做一些備用 |
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有需要的時候他就可以馬上直流切換到交通關鍵是要儲能但是要告訴陳部長增加供應的韌性因為這個光電跟電網要一個儲能來做轉接高價的電我賣掉低價的電我拿來用好 那我現在跟你講在養殖場域的示範效果我們來看一下現在的法令 |
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農業設施農業用地上農業設施容許使用沒有包括儲能也就是說我現在的光電地區我這邊有洞口我這裡有水車但是我沒有放儲能我可以放柴油放電機但是我沒有放儲能有沒有辦法趕快農業部趕快調整這些法規我跟委員報告現在的儲能設施在農業用地已經有容許使用在45平方公尺以下是可以放的 |
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然後我要跟委員報告的一個重點說您剛才講的這樣子利用儲能 利用發電機這些智慧微電網的部分一個非常重要的前端的一個集團養殖所以我們現在也在啟動這樣的一個集團養殖的一個方式來搭配後面的儲能的供電系統好 謝謝陳部長接下來我請邱部長上來 衛福部經濟部長繼續 來 |
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那下一個呢 |
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這次衛務部有個示範計畫我很肯定他們在花蓮的鳳林這些地方他們用無人機在那些孤島消音交通專案的一些原住民地區他送藥過去但是這不是常態可是為了這個事情你要先把無人機的相關的法規處理好所以我這裡也要再請陳士凱部長要上來來處理國務長可以請回就是說像這樣的無人機送藥那個何部長後來有沒有派上用場花蓮有沒有這種無人機送藥 |
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花蓮啊沒有 最次的災後因為沒有需求所以沒有對 但是我們屏東的需要可是屏東不是事辦計畫他沒有辦法及時的去申請無人機的飛航這個計畫所以我要跟陳部長說目前我們銀行局訂的無人機的這些飛航計畫太繁文縛節不可能所以我要請衛福部未來的潛勢點先把它規劃好 |
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到時候一有需要馬上就可以派飛那我要請部長 院長指示部長未來我們無人機的這種送藥其實只要保公共意外責任險就好了公共意外責任險不用去搞到說還要底下的飛行路徑的地主同意柏中你知道我在說什麼是不是院長還指示他們把這個問題簡化在花蓮地區已經有事辦包括封兵 |
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豐兵跟秀琳對 秀琳秀琳跟豐兵兩個地區他有示範的點那既然有這樣點在試驗成功那應該迅速我要求你們兩部會合一下迅速在各個縣市都定點能夠有這樣的點出來他的一些責任保險的責任或是關於鑰匙法的責任就一律排除好 謝謝兩位部長請回我們接下來請我們台政部的部長莊部長時間暫停 |
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好 莊部長剛剛也跟您提問過了這是問關稅美國關稅很多台灣的出口業主要市場在美國但是我們台灣主要是來料加工因此我進口原料的時候要對台灣政府繳關稅而且我出口到美國的時候理論上我可以退但是大部分的業者未達金額或者手續繁瑣所以很多出口業者他並沒有把他進口原料的關稅要求政府退回來 |
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院長你覺得如果這一次像這些出口產業者因為他的主要市場在美國過去他跟我們台灣政府繳的這些進口關稅他沒有退的我們可不可以這次還給他幫助他來度過對美關稅的衝擊 |
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關稅的衝擊現在我們還在談判當中我想委員問的不是個案或是針對關稅是通案那我是認為說我們對於關稅新關稅貿易的秩序調整之後我們要幫助產業來快速的適應整個新的世界的官貿秩序那至於您說的這個通案請部長來說我想委員這樣的一個建議我們可以來主動查一下看看有沒有他可以退的關稅而目前還沒有退這個部分 |
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這個部分我們來做然後程序上我們也讓他簡化我來跟大家講 院長部長您看一下其實目前我國出口產業如果以美國為主要市場我們外銷品的沖退原料稅以貨品為基準也就是說我現在出口去美國的這批貨物當時他在進口的原料哪些是有跟我們台灣這種繳過關稅的 |
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我可以退但是要付一定金額而且你要證明比例所以對很多出口業者來講如果是中小企或傳產他不像是大型的業者他可以做得很清楚所以很多的出口業者他買了原料跟台灣政府繳了關稅他要出口到美國的時候他沒有辦法跟政府申請退稅 |
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這跟我們去觀光客去國外買觀光品退稅的那我們往下看那是不是說我們現在呢這些業者可不可以我們在一定年期內請院長指示財政部跟經濟部請經濟部去調查這些以美國為主要出口的中小企業 |
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他過去三年過去五年或甚至過去十年他有這種來料加工他進口原料有繳了進口的關稅甚至營業稅營業稅是有退的但是關稅一定要按照這個程序退 |
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累積下來他也貢獻了不少稅收給我們政府他現在要出口去美國了他可能七成的出口市場在美國可是美國關稅提高他壓力很重他要自己吸收可不可以請政府把過去他這三年或五年或十年你們制定辦法把他交給政府沒有退的這些稅呢來給他幫助他杜曉月院長部長可以支持嗎 |
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謝謝委員 我們絕對支持不讓國人有重複繳稅增加產業負擔這不是重複繳稅 這個是要幫助他重複繳稅或增加這個稅務負擔的各項的措施那如果成立委員剛剛所提到的過去幾年都沒有照目前這個方式來退出的話我想法律上的依據如何協助業者來請求這個部分再請我們要請 |
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行政院積極主動 其實政府的稅收以後只要業者債 債收就有他們現在渡難關 我們要全力支持 好不好好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委員謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢 謝謝我們現在接下來登記第二位傅坤祺委員請質詢林國成委員請準備 |
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主席請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢副委員好卓院長早我想這次丹納斯颱風對台灣所造成這麼大的一個重創此時此刻我們不只要好好的來檢討 |
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更要為未來台灣多災多雨的多天然災害的地方我們要怎麼樣能夠重新打造一個標準的SOP是我們應該痛定思痛好好的來檢討對剛剛院長公開表達此次風災行政院整體的救災能力不足應變能力不足任性能力不足 |
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我想本席深表同意但是我們不是只表達不足以後我們應該深自來檢討所以我想在這裡我們今天希望我們大家一起能夠為台灣未來的這種天然災害能夠打造一個比較完整的一個應變的一個體制標準的作業程序在這裡首先要請教一下 |
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這個院長在您這份報告裡面有寫雖然北極今天早上才看到這份報告您在7月8號去了嘉義11號去了南投彰化15號去了台南7月25號去了台南嘉義7月29號去了雲嘉南院長視察但那時是從7月6號就開始 |
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可以說是百年來南台灣最嚴重的災情從7月6號登陸院長7月8號 11號7月15號 25號 29號去了五次災區院長是不是陳如寧報告上面寫的你去了五次災區是嗎我7月5號 |
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我記得7月5號剛海警發布的時候我去了彰化跟雲林好 因為您的報告或者是彰化跟南投我再記一下您的報告我沒有看錯7月5號那天是沒有因為那是海警發布的當天我見到了兩位縣長都拜託他們能夠跟中央緊密的聯繫災情發生之後是8號 11號我是按照您的報告拜託您報告之後建議您 |
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建議你啦這麼大的一個災情院長整個月只去五次照說你應該進駐在災區帶著行政院所有的官員都要進去這空前的災難我想在行政院開會那時候了備一格我再請教一下那個院長什麼時候成立 |
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這麼大災情的前進指揮所什麼時候7月30號在728之後什麼時候7月28之後7月30號成立7月30號是什麼樣的情況成立的因為728在 |
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但是颱風之後 持續救災 修復房屋但是過程還是持續下雨那728帶來的好雨又超乎我們原來預料之外所以我去到災區看到那樣的狀況是災上又加上一次的災害所以我當場就宣布請我們的工程會陳進德政委來主持成立天氣指揮所 |
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而依照行政院所發布的新聞是7月31日成立前進指揮所 |
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那今天你的報告有寫7月30號30號在現場宣布我去到縣市的時候現場應該是台南我現場宣布我們要成立指揮所那隔天他就馬上正式成立而且開會7月30號本席查證了一下資料因為新聞發布是7月31但你的報告上寫7月30本席了解了一下新聞之後是7月30號賴總統在中常會宣布 |
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要成立前進指揮所我是早上就宣布的這個院長啊應該儘早成立前進指揮所7月6號的災情不管是7月30還是31只會這麼大的災情發生以後在7月30或31號前進成立指揮所本席在這裡跟院長商量一下 |
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有這種這麼龐大的天然災害 疾民所及苦民所苦行政院所有的體系跟團隊 早就應該進駐災區颱風離開就要進去 而不是等到7月31日甚至在黨務工作指導之後才來成立 |
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我想因為崑崎在災區擔任行政首長長達九年所以跟院長來商量一下萬一我們國內我們很不樂見萬一再有這種天然災害我們第一時間就要疾民所急苦民所苦要把整個行政院的能量通通帶到災區去 |
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不能延宕了20幾天才成立的前進指揮所另外我再請院長看一下這個影片賴總統去視察災區的影片我比較好奇來看一下 |
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請問一下 |
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有這麼多的災民一萬八千戶嘉義跟台南的災民沒有屋頂一萬八千戶這種情況之下賴總統到災區去告訴災民希望說國軍能夠對屋頂搶修的部分能夠來支持這樣的一個搶救的能量 |
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但是我們很遺憾的看到賴總統說國軍沒有辦法做這樣的一個任務必須要由社區自己發揮力量不能什麼事都靠國軍請問一下這個訊息是院長你跟總統報告的嗎報告委員 |
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颱風成立的時候中央應變中心都會成立所以中央是有持續關懷這是第一個那剛剛總統在總統這個說法是院長告訴他的嗎沒有 總統這段講話是我們現在是希望地方都能夠成立自主的防災社區有這樣的前提 |
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國軍在當時是在演習但總統也講到需要的時候國軍還是會進去況且在美式災區的一開始我都先請示總統需要的時候能不能請國軍來做支援總統從來沒有任何的猶豫從來就第一次主動的指示國軍要全力搶救 協助搶救我們今天是在檢討基本上總統這個說法這個民眾可能很難接受那我們 |
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避免以後這樣的一個混淆從金國先生時代到現在我們的國軍將士救災視同作戰院長可不可以未來當國內發生災情的時候我們的國軍就應該全力的投入救災不要再有其他任何理由可不可以 |
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這是一個必然的一個狀況跟要求我到每個災區我都會向當地的指揮官表達最大的謝意所以未來整個國防部也要履行救災視同作戰可以嗎可以好我們在檢討以後不要再發生這樣的一個以總統的高度跟民眾啊災區的民眾有發生不愉快的情況接下來就是這個災後 |
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重建的重點項目本席在這裡針對今天你提出來的報告希望 院長你提出了十個重點的項目本席希望對於倉儲農舍還有農業機具人民所受的損失行政院能夠大力的協助第二 |
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這個住宅的修繕院長能夠拿出最大的能量好的第三個還有農業的補助等等這三項是在你的十項裡面本席希望這三項能夠建局理局能夠盡快的完成可以嗎尤其是民宅的修繕可以盡快的把它完成嗎民宅修繕因為第一個數量很大再來我們現在已經有各部會跟營造的廠商 |
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進行認養17個行政區那目前的速度已經開始上了這個軌道過去一段時間確實是比較慢因為沒有這樣的一個認養的工作謝謝陳金德主委在率領的前進指揮所院長就不要再提前進指揮所了已經慢了二十幾天了請不要再提這個事好不好本席向院長來說明了解一下 |
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本席在7月19號就提出了對南台灣的整體的災後重建的條例希望行政院能夠盡快提出並在7月29號本黨正式來提案並在7月31號本席召集朝野協商三黨一致同意 簽字通過並在8月8號 |
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行政院所提出的條例雖然沒有經過程序委員會我們讓你近乎二十年那如果院長這兩天有空可以召集協商的話我們希望在這個本週五啊本週五能夠順利的三讀順利的三讀順利三讀以後就可以把實際的預算項目把它提進來不過本席也認為啊給院長做個參考就是 |
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您是行政最高體系的首長請問您有沒有召集全國的縣市一起來討論把各縣市救災的能量重建的能量一起大家來討論共同投入災區這不是一個點 |
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或是一個鄉鎮一個縣市的災難這是一個複合全面式的很多縣市的災難院長能不能積極來召集一下全國各縣市長一起災後重建大家同心協力我們在 |
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中央應變中心成立的過程當中我們一直跟地方保持聯繫而且曾經的政委數次南下跟各縣市來進行這種復原重建工作的會議院長 可以嗎可以 我們可以繼續來做那這一次啊 |
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我要特別希望院長把這一次的災難未來國家救災的能力能夠全面的提升有標準的作業程序各縣市都有各縣市的能量災民是不能等的大家共同來投入不分彼此立法院從去年2月1號到現在針對本案 |
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各黨同心協力都是支持卓院長希望盡快的把災區救災的任務能夠來完成在這裡也希望這個院長對於這一次鋪天蓋地的海上的路上的這些光電板污染我們整個環境美麗的寶島不是完全由這些光電板來覆蓋 |
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希望就能源政策的部分可以看看這個摧毀了台灣的美麗的這樣一個地景希望這個部分我們未來會再跟院長請教希望我們的能源政策做一個充分的一個討論還有希望院長我們大家都秉持善心善念對於好像五月天能夠在 |
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這個7月28號他主動的捐款來救助災民也希望適度的給這些社會善心人士給他們適度的保護不要受到一些側翼的這些攻擊這對國家形象是不好的那另外也希望說我們現在整個不只是救災災後重建的部分國民黨已經提出了國民黨的版行政院提出了560億國民黨提的是600億 |
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我們希望行政有更寬鬆的預算儘快的 尤其在工資尤其在重建的營建能量上有更大的資源相信就有更多的團隊進來協助畢竟1875沒有屋頂接下來你看明天颱風又進來這些災民到底要怎麼面對我們希望大家同心協力 |
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人幾幾 人逆幾逆我們一起來救助災民也希望院長這個普發一萬全民共享退稅的成果也希望院長盡快把預算送進立法院來我們會很樂意來審查也希望大家同心協力盡快把救災任務完成好 謝謝院長好 謝謝傅坤祺委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請鄰國城委員子卿王定宇委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝院長請我們行政院卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢好 卓院長早 |
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說實在我們是很無奈 院長來到立法院 機會難得今天的主題當然是風災水災的專案報告但是我今天看完報紙以後 我心裡面很難過難過什麼 國際失禮 贏笑國際 |
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燕子啊 你這則新聞底下的人有沒有告訴你我們在前三天以前 約人家韓國我們要去徵向和平委員長 要接近我們當然這也是一個兩國的一個交流這是一件好事 那我就感覺到很奇怪為什麼我們臨時給人家取消讓人家來花文 來告訴我們 |
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中華民國的官員就是這樣外交禮節不足然後對於外交的這些 |
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是非常痛苦的難怪我們外交會這麼困境基本的理數不懂 院長真的 這跟你投訴一下我相信不是院長你要這樣做那我們回想起來最起碼的話外交也是總統的職權你在行政院的部分但是不管怎麼樣最起碼這些外交理數 |
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這麼快一點 我們要有嘛怎麼會約好人家 然後來取消一定 你今天這樣不好 |
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報告委員 我清楚這個事情的目前的狀況因為我們出訪的政委他是要去參加APEC會議所以才變動了這個時程 這是第一個第二個 我覺得我們應該迅速馬上透過外交的管道跟途徑來進行必要的措施來做充分的說明 取得諒解 |
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第三個 我也想請委員能夠理解任何外交的談判是非常辛苦的我們給外交部人共同的一個支持就是很辛苦 這個叫做什麼一定 你都不要說理由啦第一個就是規劃不完善做事情頭痛醫頭 腳痛醫腳跟阿培有什麼關係 |
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我說實在老早就規劃的東西外交的東西千萬千萬建議我們行政院建議我們總統府建議我們的外交部長 |
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講出來的話 約定的時間是國際裡面堅定的一個禮數所以外交真的 林委員時間暫停容許我提醒一下我們今天依照本院立法院職權刑事法第17條邀請行政院院長來報告丹納斯颱風災後復建專案報告所以要特別拜託林委員就針對我們報告的主旨提出質詢這個邀請立法跟行政大家互相尊重 |
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好嗎好 院長這個我只是跟你投訴不要移校國際這個這個真的非常重要這未來一定要不要私信於國際這是非常重要來 一六我們回歸今天的主題我說實在的風災啊 天災啊說實在的 |
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沒有人怪誰的問題但是我們人後我們行政業就要特別去做很簡單我們過去是三級政府有台灣省政府 |
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可是我們現在改為二級政府的時候地方政府就直接用新政院所以當然在這個部分會做起來沒有另外一道防線所以變成院長就很重要各部會就很重要所以一定要 |
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沒有人怪你們 現在問題是行政院的態度跟他的成效可以看得出來 這次的風災 這次的水災可以看得出來 我們現在政府根本無心救災欸 你聽嘛災民苦等了23年 剛才我們傅坤祺總召一直在講 |
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我們從第一天就下去 也都在做沒有苦等23天我跟妳講啦 第一個 到了想幫忙來的切滾心 那多可憐啊第二天 我們民眾黨 微薄之力量就進去煮東西給人家吃然後完全沒有 我們就進駐 |
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我把他們的心情轉述給你了解非常感謝大家的協助但是你們最偏遠的地區災害最嚴重的地方是我們民眾黨台南市黨部還有我辦公室的主任他們拿著東西拿著遺産去把他們接到宮廟沒有被拆的地方 |
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那是很可憐的到晚上的時候春秋不看黑菜很可憐的所以我是覺得今天我們來探討我沒有指責行政院但是未來極端氣候的過程當中我們如何做得更好如何不要讓老百姓置身自媚這是很重要的這是一個郵委的政府應該要做可是你看這次的風災跟水災 |
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確確實實在這個部分是不足的啊你的報告裡面也講啊那我們很同意啊不足的地方我們就要來加強有瑕疵的地方我們就來改進但是做不足的地方我們就應該如何來其實我們是不應該這樣我不曉得 院長你再迅速內政 外交 經濟 |
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外交歸外交 但是內政 經濟 農業等等東西是要在你身邊像我看到你下去行災 有一天你就做得很好老百姓就跟你講 我家裡面的電器你沒有辦法去解決 你就把經濟部長找來 |
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因為我們經濟部長可能人高馬大站在最後面但是他在幹嘛我不曉得可是在影片看到的你要他來解決這個事那問題在哪邊問題就其實災民 |
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天災他不會怪你但是仁厚 侍厚的態度很重要所以院長你去具備所長的這種安撫人心的動作 |
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最起碼你有做到這裡那賴總統當然我們就不講啊他愛怎麼講就怎麼講反正你也不敢管他跟你反應也沒有用那老百姓自己會覺得但是基本上卓院長在這個部分我們老百姓是覺得你最起碼是誠懇以對對問題解決問題最起碼 |
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安撫他們老百姓的人心報告委員 總統也好 部長也好跟我以及所有的同仁去到災區都是同樣的心情是啦好啦 你們滿意就好今天我們的目的是要把實情下情上黨是 我了解你們認為說你們現在救災是100分沒有 絕對要改進你們也可以認為是120分我說我們心情是一樣的老百姓我們會檢討 會改進 |
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一定 老百姓自有感觸你們自為滿足 那你們就自為滿足我沒有滿足 絕對沒有滿足對不對 你們還有人講你們救災是100分內所以這不這樣講啦一定 贏了一個寶庭說出來贏了一個兄弟說出來說實在 老百姓會非常痛心的 |
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怎麼會100分呢100分評分是應該要老百姓是應該要受災戶他們來評分啊你們怎麼 你自認為你100分老百姓認為40分啊所以這有差距我們今天不爭論時間有限我還是要呼籲我們 院長 |
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我從里長出生 我們很清楚我們地方有里幹事 我們有民政局我們有 怕是手 我們有消防單位一定救災系統完全沒有發揮 |
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我看了很可憐為什麼看了很可憐你知道我們台灣民眾黨我們黨部雖然力量少但是第二天進駐的時候人家老百姓覺得他們最需要的時候給他一點點泡麵煮泡麵給他吃他都非常高興他認為他是最需要 |
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你知道我們街下十個人有八個都在罵政府嗎不管是地方政府 中央政府都在罵政府嗎我們好像不是這國的我們二等 三等公民一定我是下情上達 讓你了解那你們如果繼續麻木不仁 那我不管但是民意代表本來就要把老百姓的需要跟老百姓提供讓你去做參考 讓你去做改進 |
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所以我是覺得這樣啦好與壞老百姓在做評斷受災戶在做評斷所以一定時間的關係雖然讓你講比較久但是我希望幫老百姓把下情上打 |
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讓你了解我完全聽進去了 謝謝委員救災緩慢物質短缺真的啦一定 人民是哀嚎的我還是要呼籲 院長是中華民國裡面最高行政院長最高行政院長是在替老百姓做事老百姓有這種哀嚎我建議我們卓院長你一定要去參佐老百姓 |
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他真正的名義是什麼另外一個我要跟院長來談的通信中斷 災期真的成為孤島一定 我第二天就去了我一直都一直所以在委員會我也曾經跟交通部我也曾經跟數位部跟NCC我都跟他們建議台灣可以漫遊的你們為什麼不漫遊 |
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台灣可以救災漫遊的 不要僵移法令技術是沒有問題的最後我們在委員會兩個主委跟部長他們也行政院指示這個救災 救災如同作戰所以法令太僵硬 沒有辦法去轉變就會變成這些事 |
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可是受災殃的是誰老百姓 我們台灣的老百姓所以一定 正經的啦 很可憐啦這個當然問題現在已經解決陳太祖偉跟黃部長他們也把這個本來可以做的為什麼要拖到 |
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快一個月才做所以一定 我要跟你講的就是我們有資源 但是沒有積極的態度就會變成受災央的是受災婦所以本來我們就可以做的為什麼不可以做請陳書偉答覆一下 不用答覆啦他這個已經發布了這過程當中是一直努力在完成 |
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包括三大業者都請到現場希望他們做什麼樣的工作分配都有在做 但是做得不夠快這是事實對啦 一定 我就跟你講過了你的報告 你的什麼給我們看你的這種承認動作慢這個我們也肯定你們有這種檢討的必要我今天跟你講的是把下情上打讓你了解老百姓的心態所以今天你來報告 |
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才有這個目的 帶回去給各部會 該做的下去做我還是要建議啦 院長 我們這個衛星公有化衛星車公有化 這個很重要據我了解 數位部也都固定有在補助三大電信公司但是這個部分 我要建議我們院長 |
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你要把它說救災養兵千日用在一時如果能夠補助它我們就有辦法去衛星車工有化雖然你來保管 剛剛有說過當然如果我需要的時候老百姓需要的時候我給你調動 要馬上調動這個部分我要建議我們 |
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這個院長要把它當成一個非常重要的不要成為沒水沒電沒人管也沒有信息這是老百姓心裡面會感覺到非常痛苦的 |
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房屋也被拆然後也寸步難行也沒有人關心他這是很重要的 院長我們倚重心長台灣民眾黨會自己去做這些事我們雖然微博之力量無法改變但是我拜託我們院長這個一定要最後太陽能因為這個應該要經濟部跟環境部要盡快去做啦因為這個那最後啊真的治水的問題啊 |
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我支持該預算該增加的要增加只要我們的財政紀律容許基本上台灣民眾黨會支持的啊救災的預算或者那個我們會用一個非常理性的態度我們會來做但是我最後我真的要呼籲 |
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大罷免 這已經過去所以我還是希望我們不要讓老百姓自生自滅一定 陳貴文 你的幾秒鐘拜託你會看完是怎樣我陳氏跟 希望跟委員跟大院共同來討論未來的特別條例跟特別預算如何讓他有充裕的經費能夠全面好 謝謝林國成委員的質詢也謝謝左院長 相關部會所長的備詢 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請王定宇委員質詢之後我們會休息10分鐘麻煩請王定宇委員質詢謝院長 麻煩卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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王委員好 辛苦了謝謝其實我有很多重要的題目要談不過剛剛聽了一下我其實有個感慨身為台南人任何人來幫我們哪怕只幫一個小時我們都充滿了感謝但是千萬不要以為 |
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你有幫忙 別人什麼都沒做你有來 別人就放在那邊自生自滅去貶抑當地的努力不會讓自己更偉大我們回到自己的 我們的題目這一次是一個危機120年來第一次有颱風從嘉義台南這個平原的地方衝上來 |
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120年來第一次考驗我們嘉南平原我們的糧倉更是現在的科技狼帶能不能有抗災的韌性所以我們希望這一次的救災不僅是救急更能夠從根本上去解決一些問題危機就是轉機 |
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透過這個災難的重建過程把國土抗災韌性把它提高我們現在都講韌性台灣我們之前遇到百年大旱還好八年八百億裡面有關不管是工業水井 浮流水 水庫峻深或者是幾個聯通管的接通才能夠讓我們經過兩年多幾乎沒什麼下雨的百年大旱 |
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我們其實沒有停水它最多是減壓供水所以平時做好基礎建設遇到災難的時候那個韌性發揮出來感覺不到政府的存在反而是一件好事所以我們這次題目很多那我們在現場不管是經濟部啦或者我們指揮官陳金德啦 政委等等其實都做了相當多的努力外界未必看得到那我現在要提出幾個項目我們可以一起來透過這幾個項目我們來檢視的第一個 |
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在食棉建材其实很多年前就已经列为我们一级的致癌的建材新的建物都不能用老旧的建物呢食棉呢它那个进到肺部里面要很多年以后才会导致肺病变这一次风灾到了把微屋子摧垮了 |
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那正在重建的過程當中能不能有一些誘因跟強過去就有誘因了啦但誘因存在那裡 大家不想換反正處大好好的房子在那裡就順順的就好透過這一次能不能加一點半強制加高鼓勵的方式把實棉建材從災後重建的過程當中能夠把它從嘉南平原把它掃掉我不知道院長對這個方面有沒有什麼樣的計畫跟遠景 |
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部長先說一下 保護委員的確失眠是一個很長久以來的問題我們台灣有二十幾萬棟的房子都有這個東西但是其實這個情況是這樣就是說如果他被破損但是他是破掉才會有問題如果好好的我們不用動他他對我們身體是沒有危害的所以我們是有編定計畫逐年的淘汰我現在講的是平時的時候你們就有編定計畫鼓勵替換 |
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現在遇到的是天災類似戰時然後現在這附近的房子石棉瓦被吹掉了我們剛好要把它重建可不可以盤點一下這個社區也許還有七八戶還有石棉屋頂要不要一起給它鼓勵說做廢棄 做一邊叫工比較便宜 |
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因為我也到地方去看過很多那最大麻煩是有很多譬如說台南 嘉義很多是好幾戶才共有那一戶所以他們產權他們要解決這個問題就很困難所以我們想辦法要解決我今天提這個問題是點出這個問題這是一個機會我們看到是天災的危機當然產權持分你若不要本業財產你若不要自己出新的你懂我意思嗎 |
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在建材的修繕上管理人 居住人他不會說牆壁上釘個釘子還要持份人蓋章所以在鼓勵的措施上我們這個社區既然有幾間石棉瓦工廠石棉瓦屋頂的老宅被摧垮了就是要重建了工要入賣 宅要入賣透過我們的民政體系統計一下還有七戶 六戶他們雖然房子沒有受損但是在那裡你永遠不知道他什麼時候會致癌 |
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那透過跟他溝通一下我給你帶新的好不好給你鼓勵 給你補足把這一個環境致癌物呢透過天災把它扭轉我樂見我也期待環境部可以往前push多做一點而不是看到困難就停下來那要等一陣子啦 |
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我了解我了解我了解委員的用意希望在這次的過程當中盡量把那些可能的致癌物少用不要用讓他未來不會讓他絕跡啊我們期待是就在把人從 |
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難以生活回到可以維持一般的生活但我們可以更進一步把他生活當中的不好的部分把它去除掉那這個就往前做的更多一點點我們看下面這個數據我請工程會來研究注意能不能在這個要做到相當的程度讓大家安心要不然這次你看石棉把吹下來連去清運都要帶防護衣 |
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那把它拿走之後對未來抗災的韌性其實也是提高的透過一點誘因 透過民政系統透過這個趨利去跟他講這概念說那是性感情啦現在看不到二十天後換你也沒得拖背那透過這個方式我給他多一點補助隔壁剛才吹倒了現在在修理這會大打的 多做一點 |
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人民會有感受的這片土地會有回饋的大概我們現在編了7.8億所以這個部分會全力來支援台南嘉義因為那邊的量大到大到可能駐北部人不理解其實這量相當大他已經列為一級致癌物那個量算重的 很多喔 很多那我現在來看一下我們這一次光台南市嘉義還有喔其實整個加起來是4萬多戶光台南市民宅的毀損觸定消去30804戶 |
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大家可以想像三萬零八百零四戶那個分佈的範圍然後呢這個丹納斯颱風吹完之後緊接著兩百毫米的大雨又接著來光台南三萬多戶齁出町如果要蓬佈一戶給你用五台就好了你知道要多少帆布 |
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然後那個狀況要去救災要去重建要去清運垃圾要處理人要處理產權要處理垃圾清運要復電要通信 |
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所以我還是那句話我剛才聽了一小段其他同仁的質詢真的 大家都來多做一點但是不要因為自己我去的時候旁邊沒人就也都沒有人在做其實基層的公務人員都很辛苦我們陳金德政委在現場指揮調度都知道那個其實沒命沒力大家不忍心自己的署名 |
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那這三萬多戶裡面呢大概我根據它的區域這17個區域還有它的坪數大概有個分類那這裡面難處在哪裡呢我們的復健通常是叫救急我讓你不流水就好但是在救急的時候這個禮拜搞不好又有個颱風要來啊對啊 然後 |
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可能有豪大雨啊 我又要救急我又希望這個臨時的救急的設施要能夠穩固抗災然後呢 這裡有很多紅色的家住在 住在北部土地的人哎喲 我們的人怎麼住在這種破落戶裡面好可憐喔 那個是標準的從北部天龍新帶看南部三合院 農村的風光那是有文化底蘊的甚至於三合院你去看那個黃坤湖國策顧問他到現在也住三合院啊 |
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三盡的三百億啊整個本手存手啊三合院有它的歷史的底蘊在農村地帶這種紅色處有它的美甚至有的是有文化資產保存的價值像我們台南的喜樹聚落是全台灣最大的三合院的聚落我很擔心說重建之後通通變鐵皮屋你懂我的意思嗎因為這很難啦這個我要跟院長跟政委跟部長講 |
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我來做的不一定好我只是說跟各位共同探討我又要救急希望它不會漏水趕快搭起來我又希望這個東西能夠很穩固下一個颱風來不會飛走然後呢地方這些老屋老宅它那個屋子那個屋子其實現在材料都沒了 |
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所以怎麼樣在材料 地貌 地景穩固跟緊急救急之間有它的困難度我是不是先請陳金德指揮官你有讀到這個困難點嗎這到底要怎麼處理 |
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因為這個三合院或是比較鄉下的老宅都是繼承很久就沒有繼承好幾代人60年 70年 80年那天總統去看那一戶98年的房子所以他很多人共有所以根本沒辦法改建因為沒有辦法改建所以就沒老沒老所以每個房子都已經很老舊了這是第一個那第二個有的是國有土地 |
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那國土利你如果說材料要重建就面臨重建的問題那為什麼有這麼多因為南部 嘉南平原很少碰到這麼大的風災120年來第一次 直接掃上來就是碰到這麼大的風災所以這一次問題才呈現出來有那麼多戶房子被掀掉那你如果說東部地區因為它經常面對颱風 |
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類似的房子都已經被吹掉很多東部經常面對災殃它的韌性會好一點關於這些瓦的問題那麼台南市這邊也有人建議說台南市政府的文化局應該成立一個類似屋瓦的銀行啦有的拆下來不用的就收集有的要用的就給他他們用這個方式政委 就指揮官這邊 |
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你這個建議方向是對的我剛才講難處就是你一手要救急 |
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直接把它搭起來一手要文化保存然後又希望這個東西能夠穩穩固固的抗災 抗震等等這個很難你剛才講是一個方向烏瓦銀行 古厝拆下來可以刷來這裡銀或者有一些規格比較好的現代的建材可以去取代舊的烏瓦至少風貌不要改變太多把規格訂好在重建的時候針對多少尼哥衣裳的老厝我被處理在修理的時候 |
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那個規格不一樣我補助給你多一點點只為了維持嘉南平原這一兩百年來農村的風貌這個我覺得可以多用一點點心多做一點讓在地人民感受一點真的不要風災之後轉播變鐵皮屋這個其實是一個問題那我剛才講的因為今天時間關係救急又要穩固其實是兩難 |
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我沒有去到現場的人很容易講風涼話我不希望是這樣的情形我舉帆布的例子我跟救災指揮官曾經的政委討論過我現在看到一個隱憂就是帆布 |
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帆布是不得不第一時間三萬幾間房子在漏水你不搭帆布你要叫那個老人在家裡淋雨嗎而且會漏電我那天去那邊被電到那個會漏電所以不得不要用去嫌棄帆布的人是不曉得他第一時間屋子在漏水屋漏偏逢連夜雨他只用帆布把它蓋起來可現在問題來了颱風今天進來這數萬片的帆布蓋在這些脆弱的屋子的頂上 |
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不用十六七級風九級以上一吹我們都可以想像會發生什麼事情這個防部綁著屋子 屋子本來就脆弱了綁得夠牢靠會不會像風防一樣把整個房子拔掉綁得不牢靠飛走不用多一萬片飛走我們所有的水路 水路 水門 排水道被這防部水往地數流往那邊集中的時候塞住了橋墩塞住了所以 |
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現在面對的是颱風即將進來這些帆布都是綁著甚至用磚頭壓在屋頂上這今天你要知道這個要怎麼辦 |
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報告委員 目前在進行的 媒合的很快目前安排媒合的已經有1917 完成確定210我們認為要迅速的把這個屋頂用類似其他的金屬板來鋪上去用浪板把它蓋起來浪板和彩色金屬板我們討論過這個數據 因為3萬多戶 |
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來報煤核的大概兩成有八成裡面大概有一大部分是因為要拆掉了他自己要處理了還有一部分是沒有來申報的啦縱使有煤核那兩成我們那天聽到的是兩個禮拜內完工嘛在拼兩個禮拜內完工嘛那我現在講的颱風是今天啊 |
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颱風的部分我們認為帆布不是長久之計如果颱風來了為了避免災民在第二次受到災損我們請台南市政府必要的時候應該做預防性的撤離我建議是這樣子如果預判颱風會進來會到那個位置帆布的部分要做適當的處理 |
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拿下來是一種處理綁緊是一種處理看那個房子的狀態人要做妥適的安置萬事不如人重要人要安置好跟委員報告今天這個楊柳颱風應該二級的中央應變中心二級已經開設了預計今天中午左右一級會開設我們已經透過中央應變中心要求地方政府全部的處理趕快把它安全上處置 |
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能夠讓他更穩固 人員要事先撤離我今天在大院質詢之後 傍晚之後我也會到應變中心再去實地了解當下立即會發生的事情我強調一次 帆布在糾結的時候是必要要做的可是面對連續的災難過來的時候 |
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這個帆布可能反而成為致災因子這個要妥善處理我最後提這一個其實很多點我先舉個例子當時蘇貞昌院長編了78億那還被人家罵被人家笑把平和公路141公里把它2200多支電桿地下化 |
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以前颱風一來那邊停電幾乎都是主供應電線被吹斷電線桿被吹倒如果有到北門地區會發現那個電桿是燃藥折斷所以透過這次復電重建台電能源的辛苦我們未來能不能啟動嘉南的主供應電線的全面地下化把他放在 |
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好 谢谢王定一委员质询谢谢卓院长 相关部会所长的备询谢谢官员可以现在我们休息十分钟之后我们请杨琼英委员质询现在休息 |
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我們現在繼續開會接下來請楊瓊英委員質詢張琦凱委員請準備 |
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敬愛的院會主席韓院長我們行政院卓院長所領軍的行政院團隊各位新聞界的朋友我們同仁 陽泉發言首先邀請院長麻煩再請卓院長備選 |
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陳委員好院長好 辛苦了我們首先要請教這一次當然是颱風在南部地區重創光電板飛來飛去的所以民眾很恐慌在這樣的情況之下目前還有多少的光電板還沒有清理 |
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甚至當時我們透過媒體也看到在餘溫或者是在滯洪池裡頭所以到目前為止我們還有多少光電板還沒有清楚 請說明 |
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報告委員在風災期間跟大雨之後我去到現場去嘉義我們看了幾處其中有些廠商他自己處理的很好我們都特別感謝他那我知道現在只有一個地方我們也開了罰單了也幫他租了台塘用地讓他臨時的堆放但是水面上的部分應該已經完畢就是堆放的那些部分他還沒有完全處理好 |
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還沒有處理好有這個例子我們現在又看到楊柳颱風又要來了在楊柳颱風又要來已經有預告了再來之前是不是可以完全的清除好 |
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報告委員其實目前就是有兩個廠昨天被我們各開罰了200萬因為他堆置在那個地方就是屬於事業廢棄物那我們有開罰他200萬各200萬本市不問你開罰的情況民眾要的是安心楊柳颱風要來你請院長本市要請問的楊柳颱風要來了你會不會在楊柳颱風來之前把他清除好 |
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楊柳颱風今天中午之後會發佈一級的應變中心成立那也發佈入境那在這個情況我要求 |
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環境部跟地方政府要去再次要求業者因為業者他本身處理的能力不足那這個屬於他的財產那我們也已經替他找了氣質廠希望在氣質的臨時對方的地方至少要讓那個地方是安全的院長您所說的業者的能力不足但是民眾是政府的所以你們要有責任怎麼樣剛剛您所說的本席具體要求在洋流颱風來之前要把它處理好 |
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您能不能保證未來不會有這樣的事情發生院長 |
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風災各有隨時都有可能但是今天跟今天一樣的錯誤本期不告訴你風災的問題本期告訴你是光電板這樣的處理未來不會有這種現象產生今天的錯誤我們極力把它避免掉極力避免 謝謝你接下來本期要跟你討論今天是我們災禍專報本期要請教請教院長你認為這一次中央在救災的工作上面你打幾分 |
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我不敢替自己打分數 我剛剛在報告當中說了我覺得我們那個強韌的 韌性的力量不足韌性的力量不足所以本期告訴你我們回應處理的速度也不夠快廣泛的支持也不夠多 |
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謝謝你的檢討 但是我認為院長還有總統 你應該多聽民眾的聲音一定要好好檢討第一個 應變不足資訊 災區的資訊非常的混亂第三個 欠缺統籌這是非常重要 近六成的民眾在媒體報導 他認為你們是不及格的所以因此本席要告訴你你們多久才前進指揮所七月三十號 |
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7月30號我們什麼時候發生颱風是7月6號二十幾天但是風災零七二八的豪雨之後才把第一次的風災的狀況又把它加劇了否則在當那次颱風之後地方政府跟中央持續就房屋的修繕是逐步的在展開所以你的冷靜應變能力不足北京告訴你2012年陳忠當院長的時候 |
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天秤颱風24號登陸陳中院長立即指示成立這個前進指揮所 |
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他是24號登陸當天就成立 只是成立你是24天之後才成立啊是24天才成立我們在中央應變中心一直跟地方保持最高的聯繫所有必須要的資源調度都全力的支援院長 我擔心的不是你什麼時候成立我擔心的是你的指揮所 你的應變能力 你的統籌能力到底是怎麼樣 |
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到底是怎么样所以本席在这边要告诉你也就是说我们在灾前的一个能力的一个统合以及灾后我们看到问题随时叙述万片的时候我们要怎么样应对去统筹这个才是最重要的了解你也认同这样子那你既然认同这样子本席要来请教你 |
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在這一次我們媒體報導看到我都覺得非常的汗顏台南人受訪說政府擺爛台南的里長說整個救災就像腦死一樣他說過去在救災的時候會有直升機啊會趕快來看災路線路障我們的資源要從哪一個路進來但是他們說他們村子棄天他被道路封鎖的棄天沒有人來看也沒有看到空中的救援 |
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空洞的救援在這樣的一個情況下說了一句話這個是里長說你等他里長說根本把我們台南人當什麼三級的難民報告委員地震的時候陸生機是可以出發的但是在這種風力雨勢之下我們要注意到安全 |
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聽聽民眾的聲音這是你台南的里長的聲音這是你台南里長的聲音如果你這樣在人民眼中看來第一個時間你就是麻木的第二個時間你就是遲緩的第三個時間你不反省嘛民眾里長已經這樣告訴你所以本席要具體跟你建議因為我們看到民眾告訴說我們的屋頂需要修總統說你自己爬 |
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斷訊總統告訴我們說立委有啊可是因為斷訊所以延誤就醫那個人走了我很難過還有我們的電力因為民生還有養護中心都是我們的人民都是我們的生命在這樣情況之下本席要請要告訴你不要把人命當兒戲 |
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不會 不可能 不可能好一個不可能 我們好好來檢討也就是說 你必須要好好的救災你必須要顧名聲 而不是就搞政治很多人質疑 在災害發生的時候 到現在到這個7月28 到你們前進指揮所的時候這段時間在做什麼人民高度質疑 在搞政治 不要這麼做人民的人命是最重要的 你認同嗎 |
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沒有這樣的行為我說這個期間我去到災區有八次總統去的次數也相當相當的多次數多少我沒有跟你討論我要謝謝所有基層搶修的人員我們要好好謝謝他們太辛苦了 |
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所以我告訴你 你們必須要好好去檢討分區應變的量能到底夠不夠我們不希望再發生 這樣荒腔醜白強韌的力量確實還不夠我們各種設備還是不足所以還要好好檢討 本期具體建議你們必須要學到的教訓要不破碗 你要怎麼做呢建立一正式的聯繫窗口很重要的不能無頭蒼蠅 |
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第一個你要讓資源要知道在哪裡去統合第二個你必須要HOP流程第三個你必須要做全面性的中央部會資源的一個整合這個才是你身為行政院長你必須要做的好好去檢討好不好好的 謝謝不要把人民當兒戲好不好不會的 謝謝不會 好一個不會我們繼續來討論今天還有一個很重要的議題 |
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也就是我們的農村台中我們英植玉米上面是溝打開下面發芽從來沒有見過的雷降雨 雷暴雨老天爺給我們的一個挑戰農民打開了之後他真的要暈倒了 |
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他所有的血汗都沒有血本無歸他還要收食產局南瓜掉在上面裂果了含水量太多裂果了掉下來還會有菌所以我們立即會刊所以我本期在這邊具體要求台中這一次的農損已經超過一億以上 |
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以農立國的台灣我們沒有理由不照顧我們的農民所以我要求具體在我們的重建災害條例裡頭特別條例一定要納入台中市全面的趕快看災全面的編列預算趕快給農民他們有一個願意再耕作的一個機會院長我拜託大院訴審特別條例我們來編訂特別預算什麼時候送來已經送來了 |
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我們一定會全力以赴我們一定會全力以赴大縣長已經非常大力的促成了大力的促成嘛條例我們自己也提啊全面的照顧我們的農民啊在審條例的過程或審預算的過程當中大院有任何意見只要跟行政院協商我們都願意來共同討論雙邊協商嘛但是我具體要求台中一定要納入在這個ZIP這個協助我跟委員報告台中一定要納入你給我一個回答就好了 |
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台中要全面納入對不對照顧我們的農民農損的部分天然災害救助跟專案補助不管特別災害特別條例的一個很清楚只要你超過兩成就可以盡情救助我們已經啟動了所以院長我們會全力的支持農民你們也要全力支持農民台中一定要納入 |
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來 總會經過主管機關依照條例的內容第二條主管機關來認定實際自災的災區一定要全面納入好 謝謝接下來本席要跟院長討論普發現金一萬塊今天雖然是我們災害條例但是民眾苦不堪言關稅問題 匯率問題所以本席要跟你討論的普發現金7月11日三途通過三途通過我們的耐性特別條例 |
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8月1號總統公告請問現在行政院的態度到底是怎麼回事行政院的態度是怎麼樣大院修訂的法律總統公告它就會生效生效了行政院要執行嗎那雖然我們認為規矩已經過了是 容許我說雖然我認為在制定的過程當中對於大幅增加稅出沒有來徵詢行政院這個違反憲法跟預算法的條例 |
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的規定但是總統公告之後我現在想的是我們如何跟立法院行政立法兩院尋求一個解決憲政紛爭的一個方式我們向朝這個方式來講那我也願意依照大家在 |
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討論過程當中最大照顧的方式讓最大最多數的人普遍受到更多的照顧同時我也希望能夠在產業支持方面能夠增加在電力系統民生系統維持上面能夠增加我們就整個這個韌性的特別條例內容稍作調整但總統公佈的部分既以生效他就會基本上不變 |
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基本上不變 你會編的預算嗎統統通過的我們就依照法律的精神跟規定但是我一定要尋求什麼時候編來我會尋求解決憲政紛爭的危機我們在媒體上面看到我會用最快的速度在媒體會最快的速度你在媒體讓我們看到說你又要有一個什麼特別調整的條例或者你要釋憲又要排富到底怎麼回事第一個我現在得到答案 你會編 |
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是不是什麼時候要編總統通過的生肖的法律我們就予以執行4年1.87兆的超徵稅本來就是還稅於民告訴行政院長告訴你新加坡發了兩萬韓國發了9300美國也準備要發600塊美金等於是一萬八 |
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這是一個非常合理振興經濟擴充內需很重要的所以您的前任行政院長也說過蘇貞昌說普發現金振興券是怎麼樣呢他說是全民共享經濟美麗的成果陳建仁院長也說他可以促進內需市場 |
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認為可以刺激消費我們現在物價這麼高苦民所苦啊 苦民所苦啊發現金一個人一萬讓我們緩解物價高的一個壓力這是非常合理的一個財政紀律的分配 |
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財政紀律就是讓行政院必須舉債來完成這個法律但現在我是想繼續即時舉債如果國人這麼期待 大院這麼要求總統也已經公布法律聲明即時舉債 可以舉債但是一定要合乎憲法的程序我在努力尋求來解決這個困難 |
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把憲法程序紛爭解決完之後我們就可以依照現在生效的法律你的之後請教依法我們的三讀通過的條例總統公告他是十月底他是十月底要發放你會不會在十月底以前發放請教 |
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依照財主單位過去的經驗是有困難的不要說過去兩個月過去是行政院主張要發所以提前做很多的作業現在是大院突然加了這個作業我們沒有辦法提前做很多的準備工作馬政府發了消費券蔡英文總統發了兩次的振興券現金普發 |
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他們都可以 新加坡可以 韓國可以 美國也預計要發為什麼只有賴總統跟你 卓魁 你到現在拖拖拉拉我們要討論就要盡到理性來討論第一個要實在本期再次請教 法律通過總統府公告的總統公告的是10月底發會不會如期發 |
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會不會我們會努力在條例修正跟預算編列之後我們訂定一個可以執行的時間當然條例預算通過之後越快執行對行政院是越好好謝謝楊瓊英委員的質詢也謝謝卓院長備詢接下來我們請張祺凱委員質詢徐富奎委員請準備 |
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謝謝院長 請院長張委員好院長你去年剛上任的時候那時候名利滿利度是高的那時候有五成多六成對不對昨天TBS最新民調已經跌破三成了 |
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賴總統正式跌破三層你們兩個都創歷史上的新低總統變成一個28%的總統這個問卷特別在問你對這次的風災救災滿不滿意五成八的民眾不滿意而且非常特別我很少看到這樣的民調高達43%的民眾直接講非常不滿意 |
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所有東西痛定思痛這次風災到底出了怎麼樣一個問題我從災區過來跟阿姨叫台南的鄉親這段時間很多時候他們有提出哀求跟請求包括總統都曾經面對災民災民提了三大的哀求後來都沒做 |
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屋頂要人幫忙蓋 國軍要過去通信都不通 都沒有做所以今天要痛定思痛特別現在颱風又進來了 中台又進來了我先問你一個最直接的今天已經好幾個立委都問過你這個事了中央的前進指揮所應該什麼時候設立我等於自己沒有理由發現那個太嚴重了所以我就一直在呼籲 |
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他第一個禮拜我在呼籲說趕快設立中央的前進指揮所指揮所一定是在災區嘛 對不對結果你的發言人還出來他竟然造謠說過去的政府從來沒有為了風災設置了中央層級的前進指揮所院長是這樣嗎 |
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我是跟發言人講說我們第一時間全力的處理是風災之間地方政府跟中央應變中心之間的協調工作那事實上是過去的經驗都一直做下來像去年我們三個風災 |
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三個颱風我們也是用中央指揮中指揮應變中心跟地方做充分的配合那也是在迅速的完成中央一定有中央緊急應變中心你現在要設立了可是如果災情很大的時候當然前進指揮所就要進來以前八八風災是這樣天平也是這樣這是嚴不嚴重 |
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你剛才講這是非常嚴重對不對是嚴重你們是在台北睡著了還是在搞大罷免我們沒有睡著你們不曉得台南跟嘉義那麼嚴重為什麼前進值為什麼可以晚那麼多天我在7月6號江總遲了24天台風入境發布的前一天我就去到彰化跟雲林 |
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那颱風之後再不影響救災情況之下交通可通我就去到了南部各地所以我們認為上去年有三個颱風我們也沒有設置我們用中央疫苗中心可以處理的很好但是因為是一個整個月連續性複合性的災害所以才在7月30號 |
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緊急成立的中央應變中心也謝謝陳靜德政委發揮了很高的效率馬上就把該做的事情再後續補上來那這一點我們以後會檢討那是不是請陳靜德政委來做評價聽我講先聽我講我們中華民國的防災體系是非常完整的包括我剛才講的什麼時候要成立什麼時候要成立前進指揮所我等一下會很明確跟你講我現在在問你的是 |
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你已經設在秘書地嗎你的發言人怎麼可以講說以前從來沒有設置過中央層級的前進指揮所呢要更正這個消息 |
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要不要更正這個消息報告委 我回答一句就好這個指揮所是災後復原指揮所所以當然是災後的復原至於災害的當下應變救災是中央應變中心那麼中央跟地方都是依照法律規定第一時間就成立所以我在說明的是這個指揮所是災後復原的指揮所 |
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當然是災後就在那時候都不趕快成立你現在在成立這個這個是復原指揮所應變中心有應變中心那個院長我現在要求你明確的更正你的發言人的講法他說以前這是第一次嗎我給你看好不好來天平颱風的時候民國101年8月24號你看上面講的 |
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當天颱風一登陸行政院長陳聰馬上指示中央災害應變中心指揮官內政部長李鴻元在什麼地方成立前進指揮所屏東啊為什麼要成立這個一定是在災區嘛最嚴重在台南在嘉義一定要指揮所在那裡嘛今天在討論的院長現在我要跟你講的我要跟你講這個非常重要 |
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因為你現在已經痛定思痛的討論我剛跟你講已經跌破三層了那麼多民眾不滿意結果你在檢討的時候連一個什麼時候設立前進指揮所都不可以講清楚我們希望以後的颱風不要再起我們希望以後颱風不要再起可是如果哪個地方一直有馬上有出現狀況 |
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我們會全力的檢討剛剛委員講過一句話我們的救災機制是非常完善的所以我們現在救災機制的完善的底下在災害一發生的時候我們就是用中央應變中心來指揮調度協助各縣市這長久以來已經一段時間都如此了去年我們也是這麼辦那今年是因為屋頂毀損太多 |
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電訊系統毀損太多 我們要復原所以成立了剛剛金德政委所說的復原的前進指揮所就是因為災情太嚴重你跟人家早一點就要下去啊你要動員所有各個部會的這個力量啊跟人家帶你們鄉親去什麼事情有看到你們中央的觀點下去嗎我沒有下去嗎你除了去了幾次你為什麼沒有一個前進指揮所在那邊可以一直幫忙 |
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我們絕對不是說不應該成立前進指揮所是我們現在的救災機制是由中央應變中心來主持救災災害發生的時候那因為現在復原了才有現在這個復原的前進指揮所我們會檢討這個機制或許以後任何一個颱風是不是都需要這麼做我們來檢討這個機制但是中央應變中心的功能還是存在的剛講天平這個設立完做了什麼事情 |
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中央的部會首長要進去多年來我們應變中心的機制是存在功能的國防部 一定你看國防部派陸軍的副司令跟第四作戰區的指揮官前進指揮所動員多少官兵 1500個內政部的消防署 社會司救助的救難的全部要進去啊 |
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我剛才講這個制度很健全嘛所以為什麼這次民眾這麼不滿笑你們或者罵你們說是中華民國有史以來最爛的救災政府該做的沒有做嘛我們要回到理性國防部始終都進駐在中央應變中心這個就是我們現在的救災機制我們必須在這個機制底下往下去發展所以你還沒有醒來嘛你還不曉得說如果有災害的時候要趕快有個前進指揮所在第一線嘛 |
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你在台北去看天下我不想跟委員好像辯論說我覺得有中央應變中心就不要前進指揮所絕對不是這個誤會我們是依照現在的救災機制那有特別的需要了復原的時候我們就成立了復原指揮所那這個機制是不是合理完善可以檢討但不要誤會我說我今天在這裡講的是因為我們有中央應變中心我就拒絕成立指揮所不是這個意思所以不要誤會我願意來檢討這個事情 |
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來 院長我再給你看一下88風災的時候馬上在第一時間就成立了前進指揮手他一定也是設在中南部那時候各國的救難隊都來要到哪邊報到到前進指揮手去報到如果像你這一次這個請問救難的人要到哪邊去報到 |
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現在金德剛剛下去你現在想一下你現在才下去你如果是在摘風災的第一個禮拜就在那裡我在提醒這件事情 要有一個痛定思動去想這個事情第二個颱風隨時可能再來好不好先講這個事情來第二個也是很嚴重的事情 |
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嘉義郊台南的鄉親苦難還在現在進行時的時候你們的行政院災害防救中心的主任竟然跑出國了哪一位委員說的是哪一位你們的王怡文 王主任啊我們災防辦的主任 |
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齁 災防辦公室的主任災防辦公室的主任嗎 你不知道這件事喔那一定是因為公務出去吧公務 那個是什麼時候 第一個颱風整個重建跟搶救 我會調查清楚你說那個柱 那個柱 要再幾十萬幾十萬斤的柱 又還沒用好誰還在防救的這個階段第二個 還下大雨了 開始下大雨了好 我會調查清楚你的行政 他的主任沒在那你設這個災防辦做什麼我會調查清楚 |
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我會調查清楚這還沒調查過所以你還不曉得這個事情因為內部的請假沒有經過到我不是部會首長級不會到我這裡我會調查清楚這個時間點如果你的主任照出來這個合適嗎因為他去參加APEC會議參加APEC會議 |
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參加國際的會議比較重要還是現在你這個辦公室成立不就是要防災跟救助嗎兩個非常重要 我一直跟你講颱風的後遺症 包括屋頂都還沒修好垃圾也沒有處理好滿目倉儀的時候人民最需要你們幫助的時候 這是一個點第二個 因為我繼續下雨他在這個當頭跑出去開會很痛刺的 他去開會談什麼題目 |
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針對丹納斯颱風的因應的這個經驗還在救災中 而且牛步化民間已經 民間都已經退騰了你不留下來好好救災你還跑出去開會 還講一個錯誤的失敗的一個救災的這個經驗院長好好追查清楚 追究責任 |
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現在我知道他去參加這EPIC會議講話的內容跟委員剛剛所說的他也許就是用這個內容出去交換更多的經驗回來那是不是能夠得到實質的效果我會請秘書長來了解有沒有把會議當中所獲得的資訊拿回來做更多的協助不只是他啦前一任的這個主任行政院摘黃辦的這個主任吳武泰 |
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他還涉及不當場所性騷擾還被監察院彈劾這個非常非常重要每天應該都要栓井螺絲釘特別是有風災有大雨的時候一個前離任的被監察院彈劾一個現任的風災還在重建當中還在搶救當中跑出去出去參加公務會議這個可以 |
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跟委員解釋那我們可以檢討這個時機是不是適合業長我再問你另外一個你都有下去勘栽勘栽應該是最了解前線的在第一線應該是鄉鎮市長對不對是你下去你有去把鄉鎮市長找來嗎 |
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有的我們在後面幾天的行程我特別交代我們不做媒體的公開我們也不做現場的特別的什麼講話儀式只進行現代的瞭解所以這個就沒有通知地方所有的民意代表跟地方的首長那個新莊新莊的這個致紅池上面就光電板毀壞你知道嗎 那個致紅池誰管的 |
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我知道當場那個鄉長有到現場來結果你去看管理單位的鄉長你都沒有通知還是後來我去找他的那天我們兩個去泡豬泡豬喝水喝到嚴重泡豬起床你還不通知你知道他那邊為什麼出現因為我一早就發放漂白水一些物資他才知道你要去你們連第一線就是因為他跟你檔級不一樣嗎可以這樣嗎 |
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我後來幾天的行程我都不想通知媒體跟通知地方首長因為我覺得大家在救災第一辛苦 第二怕影響他沒有很多事情要跟你反映啦來啦 我跟你講這個鄉長黃正哲他在鄉長那裡怎麼說他那時候後來本來要給你陳情書你來不及我後來我轉過去給你了他講了一段話你看一下他講了把我硬頂皮部會首長去真正要關心的是附近工業區的跟中小企業跟農漁民跟平民百姓 |
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經濟部長也去看光電板損壞的 你也去像隔台幾天 高業平總就在忙你們可以去看光電板損壞的可是為什麼不多一點時間去關心工業區去關心中小企業 關心農藝民 我可以把那天的行程拿出來給委員看我們不是去看這個點 是一整天排了很多這是其中的一點到兩個點看光電板只是兩個點而已其他的都是在看其他相關的我做個總結 |
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其實啦 這邊的風災牛步化造成了真的是對不起嘉義跟台南還有災區的這個民眾如果是在 災民已經跟總統當面哀求他提了三大哀求第一個 我防止屋頂被吹走了都有在修繕的請幫忙 請幫忙覆蓋總統 說我們要自己爬第二個 希望國軍來協助國軍有協助 |
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國進來協助嗎那第五天為什麼災民還必須講要國進來表示表示前面沒有嘛對不對後面有嗎我們第一天就請國進協助後面一直到大雨的時候才開始來嘛對不對你們中間中斷了多少時間這個災民已經越生再到了你們現在還不清楚 |
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通電不通 我跟你講 剛剛講這件事情 都是出了人命所以總統現在在當天馬上回禮 馬上一休一休 過世了通信不通沒有處理好 受傷了 電話打不出去 人類不是在那裡守來不及 人家不可以救出這個東西還有一個 因為停電了 在家裡有點大事 上次在那裡 |
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好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝張綺凱雯子昀謝謝 崇院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝 |
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好 接下來我們請登記第七號徐富奎委員質詢張家俊委員請準備謝謝主席 我們有請左院長還有陳政委麻煩再請左院長 陳政委備詢 |
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徐院長好院長好 政委好大家辛苦了 |
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我想院長我印象很深刻去年我們也遭逢了好幾個颱風院長也有特別到屏東尤其是山陀爾颱風造成屏東一些農損還有特別是我們仿寮大莊的海堤破損在院長的指示下我當場也要求我們水利署在今年4月份我們已經把破損的海堤修補完成 |
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沿岸的離岸體的部分也加高加寬所以我想經過這一次的颱風我想我們的鄉親都很安心這點也是我特別要跟院長說明的院長過去因為我們 |
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中央我們有災害應變中心跟災防辦我們縣市政府也有成立指揮中心我們的公所當然我們飛六都也有鄉鎮公所的一個編制從中央到縣市政府到鄉鎮公所的一個針對災害的一個防救的一個整合的一個系統我想過去我們也演練了很多次也應對了很多次但是這一次當然我們還是有發現一些 |
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這個我們應該可以來做一個檢討當然我們是希望大家都沒有希望這個有天災的發生但是一旦造成的時候怎麼樣用最快的速度來處理這個災害的傷害讓我們的鄉親能夠早日重建家園我想這個目標應該是院長同意這個說法院長我想我們看一下我們隔壁的日本最近石泡沫 |
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是破茂的首相 |
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他宣佈在6月6號宣佈在2026年要成立一個防災廳應該是他也有感於這個我們現在極端氣候的一個影響那院長我知道當然我們目前我們各部會都有針對防災有一個因應的一個作為但是有沒有可能針對這樣的一個極端氣候像我們屏東上禮拜一禮拜就一年的候量啦非常的恐怖有沒有辦法針對這樣極端氣候我們未來成立一個防災部的一個專責單位來因應這樣的一個挑戰 |
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是 報告委員經過這麼多年來數次的不管是颱風 地震或是大型的災害我們累積的救災的經驗我們現在已經完整把它放在包括中央跟地方的應變中心跟所有的防救災機制裡面我們也訓練了很多的防災室也成立了很多的自主社區 |
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那這個是限制的如果現在真的因為應變這個極端氣候大家認為不足還有進一步的規劃行政院願意來做這樣的討論甚至我們請政委就 |
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這個前進指揮所現在的經驗跟中央應變中心之間的關係我們做這樣的討論未來把它形成一個更強韌堅固的防災體系謝謝委員提出這樣的國外有好的經驗我們當然願意來學習那政委就是最近您自己到雲嘉南救災的經驗覺得有哪邊部分是真的我們可以再強化的部分像屏東去年的風災那個土堤有破損 |
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這個是行政院會責成公共工程委員會開立專案接受各有災損公共設施的縣市政府提報經過審議之後使用特統會協助各縣市來把這個災損做好 |
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這一次因為是受損的戶數太多了比方說三四萬戶的民宅它的屋頂或者牆壁受損因為老舊房屋所以才特別來訂定特別條例特別預算來協助修復我剛才說的是前進指揮所是災後復原的前進指揮所進駐當地 |
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在風災後趕快來協助重建但是這一次因為颱風之後連續幾天都是西南氣流 都是大雨所以在那個情況之下說要去做屋頂等等都是相當困難 |
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還好是有很多志工或者是其他的團體去協助簡單的蓋一下帆布所以並不是說行政院指揮所設立太慢因為事實上每個風災在每個地方政府台南市、嘉峪市它自己就會成立一級的災防應變中心 |
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那這個災防應變中心裡面國軍同樣是在縣市政府的災防應變中心裡面本來就有協助說不會說有太慢的問題所以我們特別跟這個委員來報告如果說屏東的部分等這個特別條例通過之後那麼在依據受損的狀況我們就簽請院來核定做這個災區的宣告那就可以應用這個特別預算 |
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來進行相關的災損的復原我想這邊我也跟院長報告啦我們一定來進行特別條例啦因為我想我們要怎麼樣強迫我們整個防災的一個韌性我想特別條例我們一定還有多少做不到的地方我們希望藉由特別條例來強迫我們一個防災的一個需求 |
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那政委請問 院長那我想我還是要針對屏東的一些需求部分要給院長請命你也是我們鄉親的基台院長我想我們過去這個我們治水有八年八百億 六年六百億那在這十幾年的時候 屏東縣 |
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因為我們很積極在爭取這樣一個治山防火的預算所以我想經過這幾年我們看得出來我們不說完全沒問題但是這個淹水的問題已經大幅改善但是還是有一些地方仍顯不足比如說像是 |
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院長 我在意的部分那天我們去訪寮你也看到我們沿海離岸體很假因為這個都已經做了很久那個浪一打上來根本都沒有達到沒辦法達到一個防護的功能我當時我也要求我們水利署 |
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應該要全面檢視我們沿海地區的一個離岸體的一個設置甚至要加高加固但是目前只有看到這部分而已是不是因為經費用到的關係我想這部分院長應該要特別再交辦一下我想這個是海岸防衛韌性很重要的一環 |
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那第二個部分就是針對我們這個這個抽水機的部分因為我們有移動式的抽水機就是要因應這個不同的區域但是我們抽水機也免線很舊了有些需要汰換那還有一些固定式的抽水站那因為過去的設計的CMS量不夠大 |
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那我們也提出一個汰換的計畫但是因為卡到這個預算的問題院長這邊是不是可以承諾給水利署最大的支持這補充也在那我們正在優先處理離岸體跟抽水站抽水機的汰換問題好 謝謝委員從過年8年810 6年610到前瞻基礎建設我們確實改善了一些地區 |
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程度已經慢慢的在下降但沒有辦法全然改善所以今年我們系統性治水從淨流分擔 出流管制以及在地製洪三道策略來做希望水從河川出來的時候我們有第二道防線不要進到社區另外 |
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內水要能夠出去所以要加強這個抽排的能力抽水機 抽水站更加強到出海口讓內河能夠出去這個是今年該做的但是我們看到這樣子還有很多屬於末端的縣市館的甚至野溪大型的目前還沒有辦法整治所以經濟部水利署已經提出了一個四年一千億的縣市館河川改善計畫 |
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那個計畫我希望能夠補過去這一段時間做的工作的不足能夠把這些內水能夠排得出去抽水機抽水站能夠把它加強加多加大同時我們現在系統性治水能夠更有效率來執行那我希望達到的效率就是最小的淹水面積最快的退水時間最高的安全標準 |
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我剛剛舉的那個例子就是剛剛院長提的我們現在平原很多的水是滴到來滴三天啦 尤其山區下了兩千多公里的水那過去我們就發現到山區下來因為我們現在管轄的單位從上游 中游 下游都不一樣那我們過去因為各唱各的調 |
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這些上游有可能林務局也好或是這個水保署也好他們做了一部分中游有可能是我們中央管的河川甚至我們這個縣管的河川到下游有農田水利會的 |
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對 農水署還有縣政府的管理的一些甚至一些是鄉鎮公所那造成大家在整治計畫沒辦法做一個完整性的一個治理計畫這到一半 有的地方垮 有的地方黑根本達不到所謂一個防洪排洪的一個效果我真的覺得這個我們要痛病思痛院長 有沒有辦法做一個專責的一個集單位來列管這個案子真的把這樣的一個從山上到平原到除外口整個整治計畫能夠做一個完整的配套 |
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我們在水利署 經濟部水利署跟農業部的農水署都是這樣的專責機構那從七種性試水已經從這個源頭的山區的這個演習部分開始來整治那我剛剛提到的未來四年一千億的預算那是針對縣市館河川 |
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改善計畫我們過去做的比較中央管理的核酸縣市管理核酸都是縣市來做申請東方來補助我們希望這一次能夠用中央集體的力量把縣市管理核酸也一併把它改善納入整個系統性治水當中銜接過來希望能夠解決目前在遺留的這些問題院長我們最近也發現有一個很不錯的一個治理的計畫叫做治洪池 |
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在地滯洪因為我們發現因為我們的水量一下子沒辦法去把它阻擋直接會到我們的城鎮造成淹水問題如果我們在鄰近找一個比較寬闊的地方先做一個滯洪池再用稠水的部分把它處理掉 |
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那這個成效是非常非常的大那我們目前屏東也有好幾個自融池都已經做好了那也謝謝中央的支持但是我覺得我還是要再提一次大潮州人工湖的必要性這是尤其是對我們整個屏東這個是能夠續航水量也是達到一個防洪很重要的一個案子那這個案子因為一直在審理這部分人問請院長要支持這一定要做啦 這要重要啦 |
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好的 謝謝這個委員我們積極把它納入未來的計畫當中因為第一期已經完成了第二期真的院長上次我們去談過了 對 謝謝 |
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因為陳部長也來我接著就是要講農損的問題我知道你很緊張在處理這段時間我也一直跟你打電話有在聯繫一些事情但是我們現在還是有發現到這個谷泥我們山坨的時候速度很快但是近年我發現可能大家顧慮的層面比較多有時候在這個勘栽公告這個程序上面 |
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都會有比較多的考慮啦所以變成今天說到這個某一個鄉鎮單一作物這個鄉鎮有別的作物事實上這個作物是跨區的很多地方都沒有我們鄉親就在問說為什麼只有那一區有我整個怎麼會沒有我真的是建議說如果真的是災害是屬於大規模的農損應該是不是考慮用全區全品項的方式讓我們的這個基層的同仁也有一個遵循的依據 |
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部長你回答一下好不好我跟委員報告因為最主要是屏東最主要是大嶼的部分我們第一次做主動公告已經比過去的一般地方政府來至少省了七天左右我們在主動公告的時候會跟輕重緩急有關就是說靠近山區的部分我們會做第一波的公告然後頂多差一天或兩天才會延伸到平地有一些可能淹水的部分這個部分我想 |
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如果造成農民覺得說義務利益說有沒有開放那後續我們會再來改進但是全品項的開放可能要他的天氣的參數或者是他的災困的情況達到一定程度以後才會去用全品項來公告 |
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院長部長 我想我還是要提醒就是說因為我們現在有可能是不是單一的一個作物或單一個的時節我們現在很多叫做重複性甚至叫磁發性的一個災害這我們的同仁也很辛苦啦這個有時候民意代表常常要約我們相關的農政單位的同仁不是在會堪啦 |
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那大家又要做這個後續的一些行政作業的處理真的是對大家真的都很辛苦我是建議說大家能不能還是那個原則從寬從速從簡這個標準之下能夠去簡化一些流程讓鄉親能夠趕快去復耕趕快重建家園這個部分我想這個部分真的農業部還是要來做一下檢討啦 |
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尤其 伯定我也是要跟你提醒我們整個APP的那個下載真的太低了啦你要叫這些東北市都要用APP真的很困難啦然後第一線的鄉鎮公所他們都要等到我們上面確認之後才能夠開始去申報這個對農民也是很吃虧的一點啦能不能去整合這個平台 伯定 |
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我跟委員報告我們現在的平台就是說後續有一些我們包括我們主動用航照拍攝的那如果說它已經有一個很明確的災損我們放在後台所以我們現在跟後台的工作做借接 |
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那公所在申請的時候他有時候如果農民沒有辦法拿APP的相片的時候那我們也可以主動提供一些我們所掌握的資訊給他們那這樣的話就可以能夠加速他的一個審核能夠不到現場去能夠從照片上看得出來的話盡量去處理但是公所本身的同仁有時候會擔心沒去看他會緊張啦所以這個部分我們已經在法裡面規定了可以用科學的依據提供相關的災損的認定 |
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我想時間關係最後一個問題就針對台電的問題這一次風災我們看到電感受損非常嚴重剛剛看那個王定樂有特別提醒平二公路我們就是因為做了一個電纜地下化的一個工程所以恆春半島這幾次經過風災都沒有受到影響但是我們沿海鄉鎮包含這個容易受清洗颱風清洗的一些縣市我想電纜地下化一定是要刻不容緩要進行 |
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好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐富奎委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝卓院長喝口水吧你喝完水我就好接下來我們請張家俊委員質詢奈會委員請準備 |
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謝謝院長我強請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長 |
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主任長辛苦了那自己這一個多月來我想您也多次的到現場去看災業了解目前災區的一些需要那包括所有基層救災防災的人員的辛苦我想您都看在眼裡那我想給您看幾個照片你看這個是我們雲林林內平頂的路段 |
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有看到嗎是不是斷的這個肝殘寸斷Y7 扭8您覺得這是不是應該要緊急搶修呢是不是應該要有趕快做出變道絕對影響到 |
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人民的安全如果有產業的話也影響到產業的進出沒錯 所以這影響到了人民的安全還有他們的生計但是呢這些路段都在於八色鳥保護區 |
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所以依照野生動物保育法他必須要林業署同意他才可以施作他甚至都不允許他可以去做變道所以這些產業道路到現在為止都必須要公文往返您知道去年凱米颱風 |
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因為這個公文往返要好幾個月超過半年所以他都沒有辦法整治啊是不是可以拜託院長責成農業部林業署針對災後的搶修不要再往返這些公文了因為他不是新的開發區啊 |
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他不是說我要在這裡做一個重新的開發他只是為了要修路讓農民可以通過甚至住在山裡面的這些民眾能夠安全的回家是不是可以拜託卓院長責成他們說盡速的趕快不要再流程好幾個月你看這些災民怎麼辦呢 |
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請部長來說明跟協助我謝謝委員提供這樣的資訊我想林保署有關於林保署所挾的這些林產業道路的部分我一定會要求他們就是盡快的搶通如果都那邊有居民的話一定要先有變道行程這個部分我想我們回去再梳理如果禁訴大概是多久因為上一次你跟我禁訴也拖了好幾個禮拜 |
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不是 那不一樣的案例那是去年啊對 不一樣的案例對 不一樣的案例但是那也拖了好幾個禮拜甚至好幾個月委員 我想這個部分因為他們牽涉到後面的勘察以後還要規劃 |
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我的意思是說你要先給他變道嘛你要勘察你要規劃這個我都支持因為你要做一條安全的路嘛但是你不可能就讓他放著這樣子好幾個月我想先用變道的方式讓農民可以通然後後面路的部分照他們的進度去做規劃這個我想我回去再交代部長拜託你今天就要趕快下命令趕快讓他們去做變道否則這個繼續下去如果有農民又不小心掉下去 |
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如果不小心有任何的傷亡誰來負責呢可以嗎 院長對 這個我們可以來處理院長 你可以公開的指示農業部盡速的來完成這個嗎 |
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現在我想沈部長看到這個他一定會主動來處理這個事情那我會再跟部長好好的來研究如何加速來進行是 特別拜託院長那下一張下一張你看這個邊坡你知道站在那上面的時候像一個懸崖這是去年楷米颱風走山的樣子它上面在懸崖的最上方都是屋子那屋子是可能差幾十公分就要全部掉下來了 |
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到現在因為要走這個流程因為要走這個八色鳥保護區的流程然後還要做這個審查流程 工程流程到現在還沒有辦法做所以我也希望說不要明年的這個時候我還要再拿出這些照片來給院長看說沒辦法做那這些人民他們欲哭無淚啊 |
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我跟委員報告就是我們在做整個大規模崩塌的這個防治的時候大概我會說因為是保護區你保護區的開發限制應該是針對開發案啊你怎麼會針對災後搶修呢這是一個重點就是說你要自己內部要修改啊你不能去年跟你講你說你要改今年再跟你講你也說你要改到底什麼時候要改這是我第一次 |
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你上次來我辦公室我親自拿給你的 |
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你還跟我說好好好的確那個時候有幫忙但是已經比你的幫忙已經比本來的時候快了我沒有要在這裡跟你爭論這個我們的大規模崩塌我們不會因為保護區就比較慢我們會積極的做的確是比較慢因為沒有經過你知道那個根本地方政府公所他不敢去改變到因為林務署沒有同意沒有同意 |
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沒有廠商敢去做 你知道嗎所以這個是一個很大的問題院長 拜託您我不需要在這裡跟部長爭誰對誰錯問題是 災民他就沒有受到幫助嘛他就現在出入不安全嘛你現在是要在這裡跟我爭論你沒有責任嗎絕對不是這樣子我接下來要問的是水利問題 |
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我接下來想要跟院長反映一個我們雲林地方的問題就是我們大湖口溪淹水的情況非常嚴重這一次大湖口溪治理我想要呼籲就是不能夠頭痛醫頭 腳痛醫腳水利署其實是一個我非常敬重的單位他們很有專業 有經驗理應要通盤檢討結果今年的7月12號 |
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他們發了一個新聞稿 到現場去看到現場去看沾沾自喜的發文說花了12億加高提房結果不到半個月不到半個月就淹水了而且是本來沒有做沒淹水喔做完了之後大淹水喔您覺得這樣子能夠向居民交代嗎 |
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請部長說明是 報告委員 我想這個目前的這個我們雖然已經進度來到90幾個%但是還是最後的那個部分還沒有完成時間的部分但是我們在處理我們都一直在處理但是因為這個啟動的時間在過去那比較慢一點但是颱風這個時候來我們也只能努力 |
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我沒有說你們不努力說實在水利署是很努力但是我的意思是它這個是中央管河川這個大湖口溪是中央管河川它要花這12億它難道不用通盤檢討嗎它難道不用通盤檢討說它如果增高堤防它花了12億增高堤防它外水增高壓力增大它整個外水倒灌進去從這個湘涵 |
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倒灌進去市區結果沒有加高不淹水加高了之後外面壓力增大它整個回堵倒灌整個斗南市區都淹水這個南道水利署在想要加高的時候都沒有計算過說它外水加高的時候會增加多少壓力它必須建議說要做一個水閘門在這裡嘛為什麼不做通盤檢討呢 |
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怎麼會一下坐這裡然後出現問題再坐那裡呢是 報告委員我想我們都會通盤檢討過去的計畫事實證明他就是沒有通盤檢討才發生這個問題的嘛這個問題說實在蓋這個水閘門多少錢你知道嗎蓋這個水閘門可能幾百萬就做起來了 |
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可是因為水利署他沒有通盤檢討他花了12億加高了兩邊堤防很棒 這個我也感謝他們但是怎麼會在加高堤防的同時你不去想說你外面的壓力增高他有可能會倒灌舉一個例子五緯鎮蓋西安抽水站的時候 |
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它因為是用向下打出去的它也因為外水壓力過大本來沒有做那個抽水站都不淹水一做了之後整個河水倒灌湖尾鎮都淹水這是同樣的道理啊所以我現在要講的是說103年完成了這個湘寒到目前為止到今年為止從來都不曾發生過這樣子嚴重淹水的問題結果今年完成堤防加高之後 |
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就馬上倒灌淹水了這樣子的規劃不僅讓地方的民眾受苦而且還要地方政府額外去負擔經費這到底是誰的問題而且所有的工程計畫都要中央審核 |
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中央才是內行人啊所以要麻煩院長還有部長要責成相關的單位要通盤檢討之外還要有審慎的規劃這個不是說推給誰就行的不是說推給縣府推給公所就沒事了這個治水計畫還是要繼續就好像剛才院長講的我也很感動啊他覺得說要趕快再有一個新的治水的特別預算趕快來解決這些問題 |
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那我現在不是要究責任何人我是說我們要趕快解決問題是不是大家一起來解決問題包括內政部現在假設是內水排不出去的話如果這個加了水門那內水排不出去內水歸內政部管是不是可以在這旁邊加蓋一個簡易的抽水站 |
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讓他可以把內水抽出去這個部分是不是內政部長也可以關心一下這個設計當初的這個食雨量的設計沒有到實際發生的時候那個食雨量這麼大我跟你說他這個設計是夠的他今年沒有議題他加高了之後 |
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我現在的意思是說它的設計沒有問題它的問題出在於它沒有通盤檢討它沒有發現說它沒有發現你不要幫我們解釋降雨的那個量我跟你說它有符合它今年有符合它這個加了之後的確是 |
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外水沒有液體出來他做的沒有問題他做的問題是在於他沒有通盤檢討他沒有發現說他水壓加高會造成倒灌所以變成是你未來要做的你必須要通盤檢討要做下來所以我希望說院長 部長 |
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是不是可以責成這個水利署坐下來好好再做一個覆盤報告委員我要求水利署跟經濟部做三件事情委員是否同意第一個檢討這次為什麼會淹水的原因把它檢討出來這次為什麼淹水第二個 |
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馬上來解決這次淹水原因如果要增加閘門增加什麼事是馬上來做這個還有那個內水戳出去的那個第三個整個系統再來檢討一次當初做的這個加高提案雖然是很好那有沒有忽略了其他的地方或是哪裡不足我想三個層次來處理好不好 |
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好 拜託院長謝謝 院長你這樣子的態度我想我們所有的災民都會非常感謝你我們這個問題希望可以儘速的得到一個回應是不是看這個禮拜之內水利署可以盡快的到雲林來然後來解決這個問題我們請署長或是代理市長到現場再馬上看一次 謝謝這個問題我們會根據院長的指示馬上處理 |
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好 謝謝那我也再想要給院長看一下下一個PowerPoint就是這個PowerPoint其實這個出來的時候我真的嚇一跳行政院的第一個版本裡面這一次丹納斯颱風雲林受損那麼嚴重竟然第一個版本裡面區域沒有包含納入雲林線那經過本席提醒之後趕快用紅字再加上雲林線等縣市 |
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其實為什麼我會那麼緊張因為我們很擔心很擔心說假設你風災的災區範圍沒有寫到雲林縣到時候560億我們如果一毛都分不到怎麼辦呢所以院長我在這裡提醒您真的災民 |
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跟我一樣 我們都很煩惱的想說 你知道嗎我們也很不願意受災啊我們也很不願意受到這個農損結果一看到說行政院的那個災後特別條例近年不穩我們這樣陷到這麼嚴重你又親身去看你又 總統也親身去看是不是這個以後要 |
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特別提醒行政院要重視一下不然很煩惱我也繼續請問院長重建條例編了560億這筆預算會怎麼樣在農業水利交通社會復原等項目之間分配呢 |
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分配的數我們現在在核算當中就是出現561的總數那如果條例通過之後我們會另外送一個特別預算請大院來審議那個時候通過特別預算才會是具體執行的 |
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了解那雲林在這個農損農業損害中的這個佔比是全國的前段班喔大概算起來農業災損是排名全國第二那是否會以這個損失的比例作為一個資源分配的依據呢一定是以實際自災發生損害的受災情況來經過認定之後由農業部來彙整那經過 |
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整個特別預算的籌編來進行到裡面讓我會希望會達到一個最大的照顧最廣泛的照顧而且最實際的照顧 |
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這一點要特別拜託院長關於農業部的問題待會我再繼續提醒您因為我們也覺得受到不公平的待遇那我先針對這個預算分配幾點建議之後我們再來討論農業部的問題那就是有關於這個特別條例如果通過之後呢是不是農業救助跟其他的工程項目它是不一樣的 |
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農業復耕它是有黃金時期它是你這一週你下一週你這個節氣沒有種下去其實它的收成就影響了那會大幅的把它的產值品質都下降可不可以承諾有關於農業復耕的這個補助條例通過之後一週內甚至兩週內先撥款給農民因為復耕這件事情不是說他今天想種就可以種他必須照著那種節氣來種 |
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好 這個特別條例的裁員來自於舉債那我們要完成這個程序之後我一定要求各部會及時迅速的執行最快的時間在執行完畢表示政府對於 |
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他現在新的標準是什麼請問說他已經有標準產品所以比上面更加有標準 |
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好謝謝謝謝張家俊文 子馨謝謝卓院長還有各格院的備詢 謝謝 |
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好接下來我們請賴會員委員質詢謝榮介委員請準備好謝謝主席有請院長還有全境指揮所指揮官陳金德麻煩再請卓院長陳政委備選院長賴委員好辛苦你了謝謝指揮官委員好 |
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我想從7月8號一直到7月9號在台南15個行政區裡頭受創的非常嚴重這15個行政區本席有11個區是在我的選區裡頭 |
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7月9號我聽到了很多沿海區域的里長他們求救的一個電話我要趕過去早上8點多我要趕過去結果那個路是不通的因為電線桿前面的掉下來 |
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我在這裡要謝謝兩位也要謝謝我們所有在這一次搶災的所有行政單位因為有你們其實剛才我聽到很多就是外圍的委員在質問質問了很多是在這個災區發生的前四五天的一個狀況我覺得這個是非常非常的打壓我們 |
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我謝謝陳金德指揮官我跟著他開會我不會算那個次數了在市政府早上開會10點開會下午我們就是每一個區每一個區去跟里長座談謝謝院長你來了八次總統來了五次 |
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其實在這個過程裡頭我們一直在解決問題當我們面臨到了一個120年的這個強大的一個颱風它是真的從你的整個臉這樣子打過來在這次的過程當中我不知道為什麼我這邊有這麼多的一個災民我甚至我自己很自責我不知道我的選區裡頭為什麼有這麼多低收入戶跟中低收入戶有這麼多的一個老房子 |
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其實我們非常的痛可是這個不是我們可以跟大自然做抵抗的所以再一次謝謝你們可是也要針對了這個整個過程裡頭我們需要的一個協助那在後的一個重建條例特別條例那編了560億夠不夠本席認為是不夠的 |
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我從八場的一個座談會裡頭三場的一個現場其實這每一場座談會我是用我們財政委員會從中央再跟地方政府每一個都是局長台南市政府都是局長我們的一個對接然後我們充分的反映災民的一個心聲其實在這個整個座談會裡頭 |
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每一場都超過100個公務人員我們坐在那一邊搶災搶險不是站到第一線去 |
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這個唯一的一個標準而已我們必須要做很多內部的一個工作後勤的一個工作所以在這個過程裡頭我們去發現到就是很多的一個不足所以在這裡跟院長跟指揮官做一個災後重建紓困振興這我把它分為七大項這七大項裡頭我想普化現金還有就是黃紅的一個韌性通訊的一個韌性還有校舍老舊還有 |
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這個老屋還有老樹榮損的一個救助還有我們產業跟企業的一個支持跟三天的一個觀光的重建等一下我要請我們的農業部長還有我們的經濟部長 |
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跟著就是說在這裡頭我們在重建裡頭我們需要這兩個單位來協助我們院長我想重建的金會有限中低收入戶的普發現金我建議應該要加碼尤其是在我的選區裡頭才4700個這等於是增加了4700萬我希望就是說 |
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院長可以快速來協助我們這些在弱勢的一個災民普遍面臨到了三大的一個困境他的修繕的支出龐大他的生計中斷了他的災後負擔的風險變高了所以是不是有機會就是說在這個普化現金裡頭增加了這個加碼我們的中低收入戶 |
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每一個區域立委都是受到選民的一個支持那如果像我這個重災區中的重災我剛才跟經濟部長特別去了拜託一些我跟他私下那個拜託的事情他跟我講說不能只有給你啊還是要再給別人啊 |
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一個最嚴重的一個是在家戶病房的一個是普通病房的本座的錢都一樣這樣有道理當然也是沒道理啊那個家戶病房是隨時會掛掉的那一般病房也慢慢來有些是慢性病的啊怎麼會是一致性的我當然是不認同就是說院長 |
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不會是一致性的啊這個大家在這個颱風裡頭當然是颱風裡頭大家受創的情形是完全不一樣的我們的污點都掀掉了嘉義縣的房子都不見了怎麼會是一致的呢所以我覺得這個應該有一個標準 |
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因為你是最重要的一個縣長啊所以我在這裡請教農業部長就是說部長在我們台南沿海跟西北地區有很多農田是泡水然後溫王室溫王室它是倒塌的還有就是我們的漁溫這個潰堤這些情形那我們的農民需要很多的資金進入修繕跟護耕的一個洋溢那還有 |
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在普遍我們面臨到了就是說在區公所區公所就是懲判人員他對於整個榮損的一個補助的認知其實是有點錯亂的當然這個是一個滾動式的我們不可能就是說7月9號訂的標準跟7月29號的標準是一樣因為我們一直滾動性的在檢討在討論嘛那希望農業部跟地方加強協調跟整合 |
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我們把這個兩週內就是救助的一個撥款把它放下去有沒有機會還有再特別跟農業部長做一個要求我們北門農會沒有納進災禍補助那個專案的一個承辦窗口這個對我們北門人是非常不公平的來 部長 |
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我先回答剛才您講的那個北門農會的部分那是有關於漁業部分的受理單位那經過我們的就是跟各漁會協調他們是覺得說漁業部分還是由漁會來處理會比較適當那如果說北門農業願意做我想我們會再協調這個部分我想是以人家願意做你應該要給他納進來啊對不對這都是好事啊你這個時候已經虛擬了你還要給他檢查什麼要給你本錢 |
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這個我想每個漁會如果農會或漁會協助我們都會來處理因為他們北門的話我想他們願意如果願意的話漁會如果大家都一起努力第二個部分就是有關於救災的部分相對的我們現在也在協助公所怎麼樣去簡化的理工程 |
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那對於專案補助的話我們更不敢去麻煩公所我們由農會 漁會或者是我們本身農糧署的分署來做承辦窗口這樣的話會減少他們的一些人力什麼時候撥錢撥錢可能要根據 |
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那個公所本身 他的勘差完了以後報到縣府 縣府再提供給我我們三天之內一定播我想在這個地方政府要加速因為你炒火要炒前面你到三個月後 你再去本地的錢的時候我的農業修繕補助80%你不要讓大家每天說看得到吃不到了 |
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這是我們的一個困難還有我再跟農業部就是說 再做一個建議就是說我們農家綜合的一個貸款院長 我們每一個農民都可以借一筆40萬的錢這個叫做農家綜合貸款是不是有機會 就是說在第二批第二批就是說我們40加40 |
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有沒有機會我希望就是說我們的農會其實是聯合的一個陳情台南市農會跟我們11區的農會他們希望就是說我們農業部提供這樣子的一個協助我覺得合情合理農民在生活上以及在復耕上如果確實有這個需求農業部再來處理 |
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我想第一個 這個第二次的農家綜合貸款我們已經在研議但是我們另外會提出一個類似支持的這些短期的借貸是一個類似非常低的利率去處理它的條件可能會比農家綜合貸款還要好因為利息要省多少 |
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我跟你講部長你只要低於1.9這個就是有意思了我們現在規劃的一定是低於1.9好 低於1.9最好是無息我跟委員順便報告一下他們現在所有的貸款我們都同意他延緩兩年不管是本金還款或是貸款期那這樣的話就會縮減他們的一個金融的一個付款的壓力 |
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好 謝謝榮業部長那針對的就是說我在請教環境部部長你請回 院長這一次其實我們有一個重要的環境的議題就是實棉瓦實棉瓦其實讓我們整個場域你大概沒有辦法想像就是說這個實棉瓦在我們台南大概有多少的一個面積 |
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現在要整修大概是一萬五噸結果在我們台南就是一萬噸一萬噸是20個足球場的這麼大現在我們才清除不到一成 |
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所以這個嚴重的落後可是這個如果我們不處理的話這造成整個環境有毒的壓力是不是可以請院長支持環境部在專案補助7.9億再加碼因為7.9億做不了事情部長 |
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預算上它已經有所增加報告委員 因為那個7.91其實也是委員在第一個禮拜就提醒我的那我們也跟院長報告 院長非常的支持那現在來說的話有加快了 速度有加快那因為台南整個來說的話大概是10萬噸那這次毀了大概1萬噸左右那我們這1萬噸目前的量能是可以處理的院長 有沒有辦法跟我們承諾什麼時候把我們的石煤瓦全部清除掉有辦法給我們一個時間嗎 |
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報告委員 這個其實我們是可以速度很快尤其這個禮拜我們公司協力會有個實棉瓦地圖會出來那會加快這個速度然後當然保障這個民眾因為很多民眾不知道這個狀況我跟你講你如果三個月到六個月可以全部清完的話那實在是非常地了不起 |
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因為你大概沒有辦法想像我們這個地方就是存在了很多的一個石棉瓦就是鐵片英尊的建材它還存在了很多的老房子就是石棉瓦我們是不是靠這個時候可以就是一致性把它完成所以說院長如果三個月到六個月我們把台南的石棉瓦全部清除有沒有機會 |
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三個月針對現在已經破掉的有在住的民眾沒有問題但是有一些我發現台南很多我去看了很多都是沒有好幾個人沒有人住的或是產權很多人 |
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如果說我轉播給你聽完 我會說你有夠厲害你就是我們的菩薩了真的拜託你拜託我會來拍片 會來拍片我們跟經濟部跟數位部跟NCC來做一個探討為什麼在這一次的一個災損裡頭 |
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那前四天沒有電沒有環境部長你請回我要數位部跟NCC那這沒有電的時候把我們就是形塑成因為就是說當你嘉義縣經濟部長你要留下來啊你要留下來我有議題是跟你有相關的因為你的台電你的台電這一次被那個就是大家就是去講說台電那個在這個整個搶救的過程裡頭不利那為什麼不利 |
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院長你知道所有的電線都是黑色的對不對所有的電線不管就是說台客塔不管就是說中華電信不管是演傳地方電視台專播都是黑色的那個電線全部都是掛在台電的那個電線桿上面結果這一倒 |
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倒下去了以後3700根的電線桿倒下去了以後人家都說是中華電信就是中華電信也說台電所有的兇手都是台電那這台電這個在搶不眠不休的一個搶修的過程當中其實台電已經快速的恢復了恢復了這一個電力所以我要數位部跟NCC你們要去追究這幾個台客大跟那個演傳他們 |
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為什麼賺了錢他們不投資地下電網還有他們的光纖線網在他們的一個合約裡頭你給他們太寬鬆了結果你們就是一直在逼台電那台電所有做的事情 |
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結果大家都講說台電沒有做好其實這個要責任權限要把它那個就是權責要分就是要把它分好了這個沒有分好的話沒有道理你賺多少錢這個大概是 |
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我們會持續要求業者來攬經濟消化最後跟部長就是工業區的災損是不是可以比照那個農損的一個那個災損來辦理那個經理部長是 報告委員我想至於這個 |
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現在是7月15日 |
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好 謝謝那位委員發言謝謝卓院長 各部會所長的備詢 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請謝榮健委員發言結束之後我們會進行休息議長 我請道應議長 |
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好 麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓議員好 卓議長辛苦對你的辛苦 給你12萬分的傾聽但這是應該做的 應該辛苦的你沒打要叫誰打 |
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所以不管你做了怎樣 國防的責任 難免災民現在是什麼樣的心情就像鍋鍋一樣所以你的辛苦是應該的 但是辛苦要有代價 對不對 |
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譬如說你剛才在這裡報告 我坐在那裡跟你聽我是聽了有一點感動 因為你第一次避開 知道還到什麼錯誤嘛這叫做台獨政客啊 主人就有官獨出來結果不知道你的豬隊友有多少民進黨的黨團幹部在那裡 你在報告災民時 那年痛苦的心情竟然把你打破了 |
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我看你的個案 很多人啊對你的婆婆啊掌聲鼓勵我們在那裡站著 我要講好事我不知道你的團隊是 到底是什麼地方出問題我看你站在那裡 他們的婆婆啊 你啊 抱歉抱歉說到背 你也不敢笑對不對 |
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實在是 真是 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 我 |
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過去的經驗 起立的態度 退縮的態度我可以跟你肯定你到7月30日 升立前陣子為首唉 我不要跟你說喔做鬼就搶沒硬菜湯了全球四人在立土機 你知道鬼的災民23天 他們是什麼樣的心情 |
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當然流氣 但是酒的不白 聽起來還流脾氣沒有對稱下誘 到底你的團隊是給你蒙蔽什麼就對了信息每天都沒有報 所以做生今天你民間的流量也沒有進來 因為大家感覺沒有很嚴重的狀況 你想第一禮拜 |
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到第一禮拜 台南市政府的省款 光看兩千多萬到阿扁 大家跑上營業 到你入企 這樣開始積極媒體比較淡薄薄的 我跟你們講 第一禮拜你知道媒體尤其是整棟議場的那三大媒體我實在是 說得很厲害 |
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一千五百篇的新聞報到裡面就有五十五篇報在庫了3%所以大家 因為都在拚大麻煩嘛所以大家會覺得說 改成台南自己不太嚴重啊所有來幫忙的人 我都感謝啦第一時間 我跟你說做環保阿伯有許意見我相信現在大家都理解 |
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沒多久沒辦法我就要這樣做有的蓬勃已經蓋三半了 你知道嗎那天天天蓋了這樣風吹來 搖來搖來那幾十個店就都破了所以外面落貨 裡面的落貨甩了就要再壓著 叫人家吐爆棚但是後天過 我可以跟你體諒就是說風太過 三天落兩天貨 三天落兩天貨 |
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沒有一個黨主席就用他的軟鋼在那個落後廳內講 聖母站在大廳我告訴你 這我了解你沒有這樣 民間的力量會比政府大所以我們一直不斷的活躍民間的力量進來我教授的伯伯還去把三間廳蓋住蓋住沒蓋住 放太久了 |
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這個民間的流氓一進來的時候 還有人跟我說什麼啊 你看那個蔣介石幹什麼的沒有按照這個公安來做我告訴你 我如果要按照公安來啦 大家扣範照考 才開始施工我問你們 黨經濟 政府委員我告訴你 到明年八月十五 你就做不好了救災 有急的所在啦不是說我們沒有重視公安啦 |
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這時候是要怎麼全體一體來面對嘛不是這樣嗎今年三月二十七在一月南西大地震之後這月二十七之後呢 到你三月二十七你來啟動到夏季 暖省 彩虹 救災的大延年在我們台南市 |
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不住的調動啊 好啦 修地安容啊 天災的安地啦包括種種的調泊不住所有的延年那天做到 大家也給你講什麼結果 鳳台來破功了 完全破功了我們也不可責 台南市政府這裡的人啊公訴 發出訴 市政府 各可責大家 |
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都在地上在拼命面對著這種極端的氣候我也不知道說你的經濟 因為你知不知道我們現在飲水的步驟要幾公分你知不知道五十公分以上 中央政府有夠多兩萬塊的步驟五十公分以上 中央政府有夠多兩萬塊的步驟其他五十公分都沒有啦 |
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來 你敢不知道這一棟是長了50公分這已經很多年的關 很多年喔是怎樣 當時是民國90年是怎樣的長50公分如果有去想過甘蔭的訓練應該很多人會知道聽到很辛苦啦 |
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你懂嗎 現在十公分二十公分 甲骨頭都胖了 冰箱都沾了現在跟以前不一樣 這日本時代的文化團了我告訴你日本時代大正六年 發生風災一直到較早二十年隆重 日本天皇有十八年中間有三十八次來救助台灣希望的五項 |
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檔胸的三顆 如果煮好呢 全灰的一顆 半灰的三十五斤喝水為什麼要等五十公分 因為日本時代 你們看過日本鎖匣嗎你大過嗎 我也大過了 來 日本鎖匣的榻榻米高達五十公分 |
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就是說陰水50公分 榻榻米就陰氣了 榻榻米對冬季時代 古時代是重要的資產啦不然榻榻米就沒得睡啦咱民國90年來 頂的時候 總要沿用這個文化 50公分 |
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我所有台南的鄉親台南這些立法委員大家去聽的時候為什麼要50公分啊當然你定30、25公分也有意見你定25公分也有意見這個50公分是對日本時代的精神安排這個榻榻米的管道用來因為我需要調整這個 |
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你如果靠在那一邊你如果做過民意代表 相信你再保衛你再管治政府所聽到的每一齣六篇音訊 大家就對這個50公分有意見你覺得如何 |
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這次也有民眾表示說他的淹水不到50公分那我們認為第一個是重寬那我記得上次颱風的時候我們研議說50公分以下重寬我知道啦因為這是在我們的辦法裡面啦你這裡沒有蓋就對了每次說我這次要重寬 後面沒要重寬 |
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我是說有經濟不好 我就針對這個地去修發這個沒有啦這可以先檢討 我們來處理上次九年風災也在說 國際公安醫學院是不是頂一個下線整個公安醫學院也給他補助 有這個循環這是在說的齁 災民啊我不要說冚災地立正地 我從來不會這樣啦你去看我所有的法文 |
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就是對中央政府、對地方政府傾聽再傾聽因為只有這樣傾聽把線的理論激發出來民間、人家大家看到人家有的團體就要來找我們說我會做什麼?德國可以給我們做什麼?不是我們...因為台南就掉不掉了嘛台南所有的鐵缸我問我那些鐵缸的朋友他說我要兩個...我們剛好...我們剛好要修理說兩件事 |
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你等2個半月 我這裡的頂端都2個半月以後啦所以第一時間我就呼籲我們一定要清掉其他外部頭 這裡的鐵缸裡面用電缸的 讓我們的蒸汁掉了鐵柱做 看起來很簡單啦 因為本來的鐵柱就對了那很簡單 我跟你講 我看你就把它做好了鐵缸蓋起來而已嘛 因為本來不是的 |
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他們是頭角鼠 他們是紅蝦鼠裡面的妹仔 角仔 軟的那些還不可以拚到補體體了你還不可以把牠牽起來很多問題啊我們知道 但是一般人不知道你們在救災地上的人遇到這些困難所以我呼籲 為什麼不斷的呼籲給民間的力量進來因為你的辦法裡面 |
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我要向你報告 你要接受的不是只有股民 農民 肥民而已你知不知道在這個財庫裡面有很多企業的工廠 出店也放棄了機械也淋浴了 泡水了 玩料也泡水了 芯片也泡水了 |
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他們的損失就不是一戶三十萬、二十萬他們的損失都七倍千萬、五六千萬、三、兩千萬你的條例裡面有針對企業手術者來處理企業的部分包括利息補貼、節能補貼、設備補貼跟動力補貼經濟部都有長年的預算在做這樣的補貼利息補貼的規劃跟預算在裡面所以我們這個最重要的就是利息補貼而已 |
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他的動力補貼跟他的節能補貼甚至有的是五百萬以上跟五百萬以下都有這麼高的波條就對了 損失的波條嘛 |
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是損失的補貼嗎他力氣補貼最高是五十萬啦節能補貼最高五百萬你說的動力補貼是怎樣是新興核電的補貼嗎補助動力設備動力設備可以到五百萬至千五萬新興動力的補貼報告委員我們大概補助機器設備每一家可以來到這個最高可以來到一千五百萬 |
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然後這個動力設備他就把這個書面給我一下書面給我一下來書面給我啦因為這企業大家說受損的很多人因為我請教你一個很嚴肅的問題太陽能的光電棒太陽能的光電棒到今天我給你提出我給你新聞 |
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就是說 這裡的公電房155,000平方公尺飛到四戒區沒有人要處理你說入這裡沒有人可以處理如果這樣 地方政府準備倒處理 來你們要不要一個合法 合法佔地的稀客改變合法給地方政府啦我告訴你們 整間不行但是救災調雷可以啊 緊急可以啊 |
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你不出這個行 地方政府就無法可依損啦我先去找地啊 暫時的收集場我告訴你 你可以找整塊地對不對 人家那邊大 那邊大片報告委員 那個92%已經全部回收了只剩下8%還對付在那個地方所以92%就好了 8%不用8%正在處理當中 |
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那個是地方的制裁你講這個我聽不下去啦你懂嗎藝術風態一般來明天早上後天那個風態來不會再出現就對了後天那個風態來不會再出現我是跟你講你一個許可解釋函給地方政府 地方政府可以替你一番他就有法可損啦那不是這樣 |
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這個已經做了 報告委員已經做了有啦 我們那個循環署早就已經發出去了這樣你了解沒有 |
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就是說 我要求你我怕你們受到 但是你們沒有下去 |
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這個出地的改水盒 佔地合法的改水盒你沒落去 地方政府不敢做啦請阿伯就盡快把這個程序完成這個我們那個第一個禮拜就有在處理這個事情這個事情 要比較積極啦 救災齁很急的啦 不能像死人那樣立頭雞啦 我跟你講真的啦 這災民大家都看不下去但是我們會繼續跟你鼓勵啦 我們會陪你走走啦謝謝 謝謝委員 |
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謝謝謝龍介委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 各部會所長的備詢也謝謝黃建斌委員 王玉敏委員陪同我們一起參與我們專案的討論那我們現在休息 |
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好 報告委員會 我們現在繼續開會進行專案報告諮詢首先請林郡縣委員諮詢王玉明委員請準備感謝主席本席邀請我們行政院卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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林委員好院長好院長今天我們來討論這次的風災的各項我覺得我們應該要先虛心來檢討我大概分三個面向一個就是災前的預防災後的緊急應變還有災後的復原我舉幾個例子第一個就是說我們在災後緊急要回應的時候如果我們可以更 |
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了解一下民眾的需求如果我們可以更清楚的知道這個災民的需要這個減少民怨我給大家舉幾個例子後來我們都馬上改了我們都有改但是也讓民眾誤會甚至罵了好幾天例如第一個行政院剛公佈的補助一個門號補助災損就是比如說最多10萬 |
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後來我向認證部提出緊急質詢我說因為院長也到在區看過了我們有很多鄉下地方是三合院裡面是很多戶你不能以一個門號來做補助的標準那裡面可能住我就看過有住六戶的你應該是以戶數看他實際住幾戶你可以用水電單來證明他有實際居住的事實用戶數來做標準認證部是馬上有 |
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從善如流 他馬上有改但是我們也被罵了好幾天我舉這個當例子第二個 災民申請的表格那個很複雜一開始還要付什麼藤本還有什麼繳稅的單據災民說 我家就沒了我裡面喝大水你要再叫我去找這些表格後來我們當然也改了也造成了好幾天的一個混亂 |
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再來第三 在災難發生的時候還有一個很嚴重的 就是斷了通訊我想院長也很清楚 斷了通訊第一個 那些災民的家屬不了解狀況電話打不進去 災民他也沒辦法對外聯絡因為沒有網路 沒有電話這個是以現代社會來講 這個是很危險的 |
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後來中華電信最早恢復訊號網路還有電話因為它的基礎建設比較好這院長知道吧那我也曾經跟NCC質詢我說那你應該要開放國內的災難漫遊 |
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院長出國嘛我們出國我們的電話可以國際漫遊啊就是我們不管你在國內用哪家電信公司但是你到國外你就可以用當地的電信公司嘛我們有國際漫遊你出國一定會用到嘛但國內啊是沒有我們現在是沒有國內漫遊 |
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但是在特別狀況你應該要開放災難漫遊例如有像這種特殊情形的時候我用遠傳 我用台客大我不通 那我可以使用跳過來用中華電信然後NCC的陳代主委他馬上答應了他也馬上去協調中華電信也接受了後來也恢復了有幾個地方的那種災難漫遊是嗎 陳主委是這樣嗎對 就役足七谷跟布袋 |
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像這個我認為也是我們反應太慢我們8月7號才恢復災難漫遊颱風是7月7號成災啦7月6號來7月7號早上造成重大的災難拖了一個月我也以這個當例子啦雖然我們也很快的反應啦但這個我在NCC提出質詢以後他馬上去做那其實也許可以做得更早更快啦好 我再舉個例子 |
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好 那陳代主委可以回座我再舉個例子就是像農業部農業部也很快的回應到本席的一個訴求我說你的災民就農業的災難貸款可以免息其實你在第一時間公佈的時候你就應該就可以公佈如果是災民的需求我免除這樣的一個利息因為它利息才1.4%多 |
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我們的這個所謂的貸款補助的辦法其實是更動好幾次越更動當然條件越好其實我們如果做得到應該就一次到位這也用美國人講其實我覺得都沒必要的這幾點一定要做參考例如我們的救災從中央開設前進指揮所 |
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陳進德指揮官 陳進德政委就位以後我們對於人力和資源的調度效率就快很多了中央地方的合作就更快更緊密了那我給院長參考一下颱風是7月6號來嘛我剛剛說7月7號成災嘛7月28號來一個超級豪大雨院長有去看我們前進指揮所 |
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是豪大宇的第二天7月29才宣布7月30號才成立其實更嚴重的其實我們現在在做的是針對風災不是後來的雨災所以前進指揮所其實按照我們的災防法我們是有法源依據的早就應該要來設立了因為颱風造成的傷害其實現在很當時其實也很容易看出來那根本市政府就不可能遠超過地方政府 |
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所能處理的那中央就應該要快速的協調各部會甚至其他全國各地的資源 |
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像現在院長的指示之下我們現在把全國的公班都調到災區謝謝營造工會潛力的挺路那我們很多的公共建設也停下來能夠不影響的 不影響太大 停下來公班也進到災區裡面來協助修繕房屋這個做得很好 而且還補助咧你如果工程停了 你就先來台南救災工期不算 它原來工期不算這邊還有其他的鄉親 還有特別工程 |
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這樣這個很好啊那這個其實啊其實我們不應該拖一個月啦我個人在地方這個以我協助救災的這種感想因為當時確實中央地方聯絡起來非常的辛苦啦所以風災是7月7號大概就 |
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大家都知道那個災情的慘狀不應該拖了那麼久這是我個人一個建議院長一個參考我們如果第一時間更快的能夠設立這樣來協調中央地方資源的前進指揮所的話我想救災可以做得更好我現在還有一個建議在救災的時候有一個混亂的狀況其實包括連我們的基層公務人員 |
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也要搞混亂因為有太多各式各樣不同的補助辦法各部位都有他提出來他相對應的業務他媽怎麼樣來協助救災那個資訊可以說是非常多啦 眼花繚亂其實我們應該要設立一個一站式或一夜市的一個這一次針對這次風災的一個網站讓災民也可以知道我有什麼東西可以行政 |
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公務人員也可以知道因為這邊我告訴公務人員有一個時間的落差比如說我們中央推出一個補助我們要讓更多人知道 所以就做圖卡我現在有一個新的補助 圖卡網路就在傳很多人看到 災民看到就馬上跑到區公所區公所都拒收了 為什麼他沒收到公文有沒有這樣的時間落差 |
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還有就是補助的辦法有變動或者是補助有哪些坦白講有些基層公務人員這幾天業務非常繁雜他也搞不清楚如果我們有這樣的一夜市的網站 |
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而不是像現在 現在是各部會自己都說他公佈他自己的台南市政府的網站沒辦法 他都是一個連結你要了解經濟部補助哪些東西你去台南市的網站 你只能按那個連結去經濟部的那個地方看我們應該把它整合成一個一站式的網站讓公務員也好 災民也好 了解說我可以申請什麼現在辦法是什麼 有變化嗎這一點 我提出一個建議因為過去 莫乃光風災有設立 |
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包括我們頂邊的普發現金也是設立一個網站讓很多人都可以直接在網站上去完成申請補助的這樣的一個行政程序這點其實現在也可以給大家做一個參考那印度人好 謝謝委員建議我們速度加快這是必然要改進的地方另外就是現在都是從給 |
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設定的這些補助的措施項目來加以宣導或許該改個方向除了委員建立的一戰事之外就從 |
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身份來做說明如果我是一個災民我是一個農民我是一個漁民我是一個攤販我家裡受到了什麼樣的損失我已經受到什麼我從身份來告訴說你屬於這種身份你就可以看到你所有的什麼可以選擇適合你的我用這種身份來做說明所以院長你也是抓到重點啊你如果這樣一站式的網站是不是大家都方便對不對我災民我也可以自己查看我是什麼樣的需要政府可以幫忙什麼 |
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這個我們希望能夠改進再來現在我們的公班都到災區去了那災區現在有一個狀況就是如果有些災民的損害遠大於政府的慰問金那他有沒有辦法得到政府的財政上的資源 |
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比如說我是財民 我收你錢政府現在最多好像十萬加兩萬 最少補助十萬嘛如果你參加我的媒合 最後我有維管再給你補出兩萬 十二萬那如果假設我要收你個好幾十萬你像我剛才去那個浴室 我要看一個八十幾位老阿嬤她的浴室被吹走 她不能洗澡 |
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我幫他臨時搭一個簡易的類似像我們行軍野戰可以沐浴的場所他用不了多久他現在是可以洗澡了可以有浴室了但是一定要重建像這樣子的話有沒有辦法我們在特別條例裡面所匡列的預算裡面有沒有修補助的一個貸款甚至給予一些利息的補助請主委報告委員 就是針對符合 |
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請領災後就是復原衛助金的5萬跟10萬的那這個5萬10萬就是衛助跟復原那如果說在8月31號之前媒合完畢有這個簽約的還有一個簽約獎2萬上工獎勵金3萬 |
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那基本上大概做到這裡那如果是低收入戶 中低收入戶以及關懷戶 這個是有政府區域可是我說我需要五十萬啦 這樣有辦法救我錢嗎這可能沒辦法要不然你就應該協調地方政府啦因為確實有些善心人士一些企業也有一些善款的捐助啦 |
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有的低收入戶就是說企業去做的時候超過10萬的錢企業要鼓勵民間來認養 |
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一些邊緣戶啦有關懷戶就是包含脆弱的還有這個特殊記憶的謝謝啦 另外也跟院長建議啦我們要利用這次的颱風還有我們陳指揮官也是等於來跟我們檢驗我們的所謂國安的基礎設施 |
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其實這次颱風檢驗的結果我覺得非常脆弱我們的基礎建設有南北差距也有城鄉的差距我們應該要很謙虛的來檢討我們這次到底有什麼地方我們可以改善的例如我提到這次最嚴重是因為停電倒過來清氣停那條嘛當然沒辦法啊你等水為了停 也等電就等水嘛 |
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有的水要用抽水碼來抽甚至很多電信也斷了因為電話公司都走電話條所以有人在提到所謂的電纜或光纖的地下化 |
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那地下化不是全部啦不是唯一最好的解答啦因為淹水的地方你就不能做嘛但是啊 不會陰水的地方阻幹線通過的我認為應該要優先來地下化而且我很具體的 我很具體的請行政院要來做台17案 台19這些總統也去看 像印度你也去看就台19線 |
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還有17線 你看到這兩個這是省道啊在沿海地區最主要的南北幹道這從台南 雲嘉南都有通過的那最重要的電線桿都在這上面這面中道啦這面前面就在這因為它受風面非常大 |
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像這種台17 台19因為它不會淹水你記住設施淹漏去就好這可以先來做電纜地下化如果我們整個在講地下化那地下化要有優先順序然後也要看區域我認為像這種省道的區域應該是可以優先來 |
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協調台電還有交通部因為路是交通部管的來做這個地好不好另外啦 黑淹水地區跟地前下線地區我們如果能夠克服工程上的困難我們一定想辦法籌措經費逐年來加以改善因為我們發現有一些新的科技工具沒電嘛 怎麼辦後來電話來了民眾的手機也不能用家裡電器也不能充電這個大概有民間的企業提供的啦 |
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我就放在床頭的大廟前面 大家可以去那裡充電沒電 它這個充電的電源怎麼來它白天是吃太陽能 晚上是用氫能源 氫電池這種移動式的 像這種應該可以我們要檢討一下我們的國安的基礎設施的設備 器具引入一些新科技的東西 |
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好 謝謝林靜憲委員質詢謝謝 也謝謝卓院長 部會所長的備詢報應會現在下面一位王育民委員質詢本席在這裡報告 |
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我們今天請行政院院長來立法院專案來報告行政院是受立法院請託結果院裡面一個委員都沒有像這樣的一個狀態對行政院是非常非常不禮貌我再三呼籲黨團一定要敦請委員來參與我們今天專案報告王玉民委員上台質詢之後一個委員都沒有像這樣的狀態 |
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實在是太不像話本席現在呼籲休息宣布休息之後各黨團請敦請相關黨團的立法委員進入議場休息十分鐘 |
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謝謝張祺凱委員謝謝劉淑冰委員謝謝蔡宇宇委員謝謝鄭天才委員一起參與我們專案報告歡迎現在議場二樓旁聽的是來自於台北市博物館課程所有的朋友們我們掌聲歡迎接下來請王育明委員質詢蔡宇宇委員請準備 |
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謝謝院長 我們有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選 |
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黃委員好院長好 院長救災工作你也辛苦了大家都辛苦 我也辛苦但是我看到其實有一群很辛苦的是更站在第一線救災的人員鄉鎮公所裡面的人員第一個我先幫他們發聲也請院長在救災告一段落之後一定要給第一線就是救災的不免不休救災這些人員給予必要的嘉獎跟獎勵 |
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我到嘉義縣的時候有的工作人員已經講到哭出來了就是那個工作人員完全沒有辦法回家然後是先生帶著小孩跑到公所來找他就是好幾天為了救災都沒有辦法回家我覺得這種真的在第一線最辛苦的人員或許院長去勘災的時候沒有看到但是這是真實在發生的我請你務必要關注到他們的身心的健康跟安全而且給予必要的獎勵這個可以嗎 |
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寬道村里長 我都跟他們說謝謝你不僅照顧自己 照顧你的里民 照顧你的村民要遭受很多的任勞任怨 他們真的是辛苦 |
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好 那接下來我們要來檢討的就是這次整個的災後的救災跟重建工作的確有讓人民不滿意的地方所以民調上面也顯示出來了現在包括雲嘉南的民眾是不滿意度都高於滿意度所以第一個我們應該要檢討的是為什麼這個前進指揮所設置的速度這麼的慢事實上按照災防法第13條第二項 |
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就是中央災害應變中心可以是災情的情況或者是需要你可以在地方的應變中心或適當地點成立前進的協調所很重要的是要整合救災資源而且要協助地方政府執行救災的事宜 |
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這件事情在災防法第二項講得非常的清楚但是這一次我要就教院長為什麼其實成立的時間是這麼的緩慢7月6號的風災到7月30號後來才成立了所謂的前進指揮所而且你們界定在是復原但是前面的救災期間真的是非常的需要而沒有設置 |
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我要問的是你們中央災害應變中心在開會討論的時候有沒有人去review這個第13條第二項或者是主動提出來說我們是不是應該要設置前進指揮所有沒有去討論到這個議題如果有我覺得不會這麼的慢 |
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我去參加的中央應變中心的工作會議以及所有的資料當中當初確實沒有討論到要不要何時成立因為中央應變中心跟地方政府的應變中心都做很充分的 |
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必要的一個對口而且隨時溝通中央也負擔起調度支援整個工作從7月6號颱風之後狀況是一直存在但是他並不是繼續在發生但是院長你必須承認一點你自己上午的報告有說有三不足整合的能力不足這個也是這次我看到 |
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中央最該發揮的是跨部會還有中央跟地方的整合協調能力但是在這一次的風災我看不到第一時間有一個人是站出來在這樣一個位置上面積極去協調負責的就像你7月30號之後你才指定了這個陳金德政務委員他擔任這個角色但是在7月30號之前坦白講 |
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我沒有看到這個人這個人好像也不是內政部部長照這樣來講內政部部長是災防法的主管機關應該是他擔負一個非常重要的角色在過去的救災的過程當中但是在這一次我們也沒有看到內政部部長的角色然後各部會是各行其事農業部只管他的農損經濟部就是管台電的電力就是大家是在各做各的 |
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所以我覺得缺乏了一條邊的指揮跟這一個靈魂人物讓你所有的救災工作其實就是慢了下來所以民眾的抱怨才會這麼的多我認為是真的應該要徹底的檢討我具體的建議這個院長未來 |
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我們還會有風災我們可能會有其他型態的災害我認為在中央災害應變中心你們都必須把這個要不要設前進指揮所列為你們重要的討論事項跟議案在災害一開始的時候就應該有這個議案而且大家應該要去問地方政府的意見問各部會的意見我覺得多了這樣的一個整合中心所有救災的效率 |
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都會加速很多就像你自己早上在回答的現在設了前進指揮所讓曾經的政委來擔任這個角色之後是不是比之前沒有這樣的角色的時候是更快的 |
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是我們現在必須做這樣的檢討但是颱風的中央應變中心的指揮官就是內政部長水災的中央那有在指揮嗎這次我看起來就沒有在指揮啊他都主持了16次的工作會議他有去跨部會的整個大家尋求嗎也有那為什麼給大家反應就是抱怨然後覺得速度慢然後沒有效率嗎我說分兩段風災是內政部當指揮官水災是經濟部當指揮官 |
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風災之後7月6號到28號之間狀況一直存在誰在當指揮官那個時候是內政部當指揮官但他沒有發揮功效因為都在跟地方做充分的溝通728之後 |
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突然間整個量大起來之後除了經濟部當指揮官之外院長不是728之後整個量大起來剛剛前一位質詢的是台南的區域立委林軍憲委員他也講這一次是風災造成的損害是最大的728是有淹水沒有錯但是他水潰的也壞所以最大的災害到目前為止還是風災所造成的那我就覺得前面的這個救災我們的速度其實是緩慢的 |
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所以一定要檢討好不好我們必須做這樣的檢討跟委員報告好 謝謝院長跟委員報告好從那個風災7月5號開始到風災結束之後內政部其實透過國土署透過相關的機構我們的人力已經直接介入包括部長直接調替代役的同仁直接進入現場去協助相關的情理市長我要告訴你的就是能量是不足的 |
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而且沒有把各部會統合起來看起來內政部沒有辦法辦到所以院長我也直接建議你未來其實你必須指定一位政委政委才可以跨部會去協調現在看起來如果比較大型的風災連內政部的量能都不足它不足以去交動其他部會的首長所以這個是我覺得從系統組織面應該要徹底檢討的下一個天然災害我們才有能力來因應這樣可以做到嗎 |
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我認為需要往這個方向來做檢討謝謝院長接下來在救災的過程當中我認為不可以偏重偏愛難的城市在這次救災當中我覺得很多的資源看起來給台南 |
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無論是你設了前進指揮中心或者是所有的政策第一時間好像都是以台南為優先我認為這樣的情況應該要去改善這一次的颱風是從嘉義布袋登陸的所以嘉義的影響也是非常的重大我認為在救災的過程當中都一樣重要 |
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不可以有偏廢因為包括你們去修繕加碼補助曾經的政務委員也都是進駐在台南然後剛剛你們提到的報告裡面你們協助去媒合的這些災後重建17區也都是以台南為主那我覺得嘉義有某種程度被忽略了我希望所有資源的比重都是一樣的這個可不可以做到 |
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報告委員我們不會有這樣的疏忽啦因為7月5號我就到了彰化跟南投而且颱風之後我第一站去的是嘉義市是我沒有說你的部分了你有到嘉義但是總統的部分賴總統的部分我們真的看到他多次就是前往台南關心當然他擔任過台南市長我們可以理解但是我想中央政府的要員你們在給予資源的時候或關愛的眼神 |
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就是我希望嘉義縣這次也重創我跟委員報告每一次在台南市政府的民治行政中心比較靠近嘉義開會的時候嘉義縣市的代表都有到場同時一起討論 |
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只是因為台南的建樹太多了我知道 但是嘉義也受損不少但是慢一個禮拜而已馬上現在已經進入沒合我希望下一次就是同步沒有慢的問題所有的條件都一樣對 不能有慢的問題應該要講究同步實施好不好不要慢一個禮拜的落差第三個我要討論的就是這一次大家一直在強調說應該要從寬來認定 |
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我真的具體建議既然我們已經要設特別條例了這次災區只要有受損就應該要獲得補助這次我去南下勘災的時候的確有一些農民也好 漁民也好他們的建物本身是沒有合法申請的 |
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或者是他沒有門牌號碼的但是在這次風災通通都受損了他可能是他建的一個公寮他可能是他設的一個工具室或者是他在漁邊蓋的一個小屋就是他的發電設備那這一些呢都沒有門牌號碼 |
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可能在政府的認定裡面它不在合法的土地上面但是我認為這個院長我希望這次所謂的從寬是通通都納入有損失就補助因為災民真的非常的辛苦我想你也到第一線去看他們真的是苦不堪言所以既然我們今天立法院也全力支持我們可以有個特別條例我認為從寬那就是有災損有受災就補助不要去認定它合法不合法這樣可以嗎 |
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我們認為本來就是這樣就是有實際居住不管這個房子是有沒有使用執照是偽章只要有實際居住那工具屋的部分呢那沒有實際居住是一半那工具屋的部分呢就是我講他放置器具的部分呢這一些呢他有一些是工料放置設備的可不可以 |
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你們再回去研究好不好有的人是房子在那裡他沒有實際居住他可能住台北有些人他就是拿來設置放工具而已我們個案來看 |
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你們全部去討論另外一點我想幫災民請求的就是這一次你的屋頂整個的維修以中低收入戶為主但是坦白講我必須講跟院長報告在嘉義縣沿海其實很多民眾他不見得是中低收入戶但他的生活其實也不好過而且有些年紀都很大了我親自看過 |
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它的整個屋頂掀飛之後它現在就是真的非常的克難用這個帆布然後外面下大雨裡面又下小雨上個禮拜一嘉義又下了一場大雨我實地現場看到就是外面大雨裡面小雨然後底下還積水就那個生活條件非常的克難跟辛苦所以我認為這一次所謂的重寬不是只有政府認定的中低收入戶 |
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其實可以給當地的縣府就是更大的一個權限如果他實際生活是需要的我認為我們政府有能力就是照顧我們的人民這個可不可以再去重寬放寬給予補助 |
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除了低收入戶跟中低收入戶之外呢會放寬到關懷戶就包括特殊際遇的家庭以及脆弱家庭這個是經社工評定而且鄉鎮公所或縣市政府有立案的那年紀很大的我覺得也需要不只是脆弱家庭好不好如果都是高齡者但他不是中低收入戶他已經沒有能力了基本上是會擴大關懷戶希望可以再繼續去幫忙 |
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第四個我要講的就是災民安置沒有到位就是這一次其實很多他都是靠投靠自己的親戚用自己很克難的在原來的老屋裡面躲一個房間是不會漏雨的繼續住但是過去在這種重大的災難當中政府有個責任是要協助災民安置的這一次地方政府他的量能跟資源都做得不夠到位中央也沒有給予補助我希望這一點應該要好好的去檢討 |
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因為未來還會有類似的災難過去我們看到921的地震莫拉克風災它在災民的安置部分都處理得蠻好的但這一次的好像就是放牛吃草就是沒有比較好的一個措施一個好的可以安置的地點 |
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我希望這一點可以檢討因為時間有限了這個部分你們就回去檢討最後我要講的是不要讓這一次的颱風風災過後造成第二次環境的災難我們可以看到在這一次的災損裡面光電板有11.4萬片石棉瓦有1.56萬噸 |
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我要問的是現在清除的進度那之前環境部說光電板都沒有問題結果現在堆置的光電板有流出紅色的油污我們問一下來那個內政部長可以先回去我們請環境部長這個紅色的油污是什麼院長你知道嗎你有看到這個新聞嗎 |
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現場看起來 事後調查應該是生鏽報告委員有兩個因為我們還在採驗水質 過幾天會出來一個是旁邊有生鏽的鐵板第二個可能是車子的油污車子的油污在那邊也有有可能這一個都造成環境的災度的污染然後石棉瓦的問題更嚴重因為它是致癌物這一個量這麼的大我就問 請具體回答什麼時候要清理完畢1.56萬噸 |
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包委員我們現在其實在包含台南跟嘉義都有快速的在處理當中那目前我們估計大概兩個月內可以全部清完從現在開始的兩個月內所以就是現在是八月 |
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15號對 應該在9月底之前9月底因為其實嘉義台南有很多無主我們會來檢視這個進度因為當地的居民很焦慮我也在未還委員會我也認為這個對於環境的危害是大的所以拜託這個部長跟院長這一塊的這個重建的速度我們其實是要上緊發跳因為不能讓一次的風災再造成環境的二次危害這個是我們不願意看到的 可以嗎 |
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好 一定我們照時間來做 謝謝好 謝謝王玉銘委員的質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長的備詢 謝謝我們謝謝葛禄君委員 邱振軍委員 盧先英委員還有陳金威委員共同參與我們的專案報告接下來請蔡宇宇委員發言 邱振軍委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝院長那我們是不是有請卓院長以及我們陳政委麻煩再請卓院長 陳政委備詢 |
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蔡委員好 謝謝 辛苦了謝謝院長好 院長丹納斯颱風從布袋登陸登陸的地方就是布袋的新聞我自己的故鄉 我就是在那邊出生 |
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那丹納斯颱風就是沿著巴掌溪那十七級風加進來所以我們看到從布袋新聞它的變電所是特高壓電塔就倒殺機然後沿路沿著巴掌溪所以我們看到議場包括大廈啦包括幾樓啊沿路的電感可以說無一倖免全部的電感倒光光 |
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所以他再往外再拓出去這個十七西方的力量所以我們看到有藝族然後在旁邊錄潮然後在旁邊鋪紙甚至以南的台南七九 中軍八甲那些都是電話條的 |
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倒掉的一個重災區所以從這裡事實上已經可以看出說像這一種氣候的這樣的一個緊急的一個狀況然後十七急風進來的時候我們就看到了說哇 這個很多我們過去的基礎設施它的這個韌性的問題 |
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那這一次為什麼修復電的時間最長的到了第十天才復電這中間很多台電的人員非常辛苦我們就可以知道說整個電網的問題就在於說他要先修復主幹線主幹線之後才有分期限所以院長包括你第一時間就來布袋你就不會在新聞上再看那個特高壓電塔的一個修復的狀況但是我們如果在那個特高壓的一個電塔我們讓它地下化 |
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那些特高壓電塔是地下化的也許就不會有因為要先修理特高壓電塔才去修理那些主幹線甚至主幹線如果是地下化的 |
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這部分可以直接就是可以進入這些台電能源直接就是進入家戶去修理所以我們可以知道說整個我們要強化這樣的地方的基礎建設那這一次的特別條例也有所謂電網的一個強韌要怎麼樣電纜強韌那我認為應該從台電的特高壓以及他的主幹線 |
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這部分我們是不是就可以先來做給它地下化剩餘的部分再來試這個地方是會陰水還是不會陰水再來考慮要不要地下化是不是院長我們朝這樣來努力是 台電的品工工過去到現在的經驗 |
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義煙水跟地層下限地區要做地下電纜確實有它自行工程上的困難我們現在如果排除這些個地區之外能夠朝地下化去做的我們在克服工程技術各方面我們來籌措經費逐年來改善 |
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至於沒有辦法做到地下化的我曾經跟那個爬上屋電線桿上去施工的工程單位的人聊過他們認為他們也希望說比方說不要像現在一整排的電桿同樣的規模我們其中有幾根是特別強韌的讓它倒下來就是一節一節的不會全部整排都倒下來可能是5隻倒下來5隻其他都還在 |
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如果中間加一段一段的強化的韌性的電線感用比較好的鋼質把它撐起來的話或許可以救急非地下化工程所能夠達到的目標那這個都請台電目前在研究當中我想我們未來再增加電網韌性除了10年有5000億我們縮短到4年來執行之外我們在這次的特別條例跟風災特別條例跟韌性特別條例當中我們都希望可以給台電更多餘的這些經費讓他 |
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一方面搶修搶險一方面就近的這些韌性加強也在做適度的加強預算好 院長我們很樂見我們要朝這樣的調整強化整個電網的韌性但是我們也知道說過去在做電纜的一個地下化在預算的分配上面可能就是台電要負擔一半剩下一半是地方政府負擔但是我們在這一次知道說這一種 |
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全面的如果我們真的要去推主幹線的地下化第一地方政府能量負擔這個能量是不足的第二台電現在你叫他負擔事實上他的負擔是很重所以第一個我們用特別條例特別預算來協助這一塊第二個我認為這些主幹線通常是落在地方的公路總局 |
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包括台17産 台19産 甚至台3産這些心得是在向公路總局如果可以在這部分也負擔他們應該要有的一個相對應的一個責任的話我覺得適度也可以讓台電他們下降很多壓力那這部分你是不是也可以來參考一下我們這個建議是合理的我們往這個方向來做財政結構的這個分配那由中央因為電網 |
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它是一個國土韌性的問題中央該負比較多的責任 |
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好 那這部分就我們也是期待啦 為這個特別預算來改觀再來就是說丹納斯後啦 接下來就是強降雨啦所以在那裡 包括泰伯雷他曾經就是在三小時下降了400公里的雨量這個是非常的多 然後接下來整個造成了過去的防洪標準 他沒有辦法 |
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達到這次的強降雨然後造成很多議題甚至就蔓延的一個狀況所以我也希望說我們為這次的特別條例事實上我們嘉義有很多需要治水的地方是需要這次特別條例來做一個處理 |
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第一類就是我們的河巴蘇白水這個河巴蘇 院長你也有來看你有來我們浦住家阿含那邊的鄉親甚至我們知道有一個鄉親他流著眼淚然後跟院長說希望未來不要再淹水了但是我們知道這個河巴蘇白水 |
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事實上他的治理工程已經到達了百分之八十以上的治理但是看起來還是無法應應這樣的一個強降雨過去我們是用二十五年的防洪標準看起來不夠這部分可能需要加強那剩下的包括六角排水他也是用水如果加白水的話實際上他的地利壓不到五十% |
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所以他還有後面還有很長一段這一段預算就需要很多如果說我們從過去的前瞻預算啊都只能治理一半的話我希望院長我們這次能不能再特別條例我們以及未來你所說的我們要再用一千萬一千億的特別預算4年一千億特別預算讓這個六角海水全段 |
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這幾年就可以直接讓他全段可以讓他完成不然你永遠是一段一段走上去你一段一段走上去你還是有一個問題就是說因為你上游的地方它的承載量一旦超出了它就會摸出來摸出來就會去那裡產產的這樣蔓延過去下游的村莊還是都種 |
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還是全部都會淹水所以這個淹水的問題我們真的是希望要加速過去都卡在說我們基於預算的考量逐年編列逐年編列現在每天風太大風太大就逐年還是要淹水所以這問題我們還是希望院長你能夠在我們包括哈巴蘇白水我們嘉義 六哈白水我們的南京大白這幾條比較重要的我們要都是我們 |
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我們可不可以這邊用比較 |
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一次到位的預算然後來解決這裡的淹水問題是的過去我們都比較著重在中央館河川中央館河川的整治率已經相當一個程度了那這一次的四年一千億就是明定他是在縣市館河川的改善計畫所以會進到剛剛委員所說那幾個縣市館的河川那過去縣市館河川他比較沒有自己的能力做那麼徹底的清淤或者整治的工程或者提案的加高 |
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甚至出海口的這個抽排的增加加強等等那我們希望透過這一次的四年千億的限時緩和專改善能夠把這個部分給它補強回來 |
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所以跟院長我剛剛有跟你報告的包括六角排水他可能還需要三十幾億你說南進排水全部都加起來我估計可能要再差五十幾億因為過去都是一段一段做所以現在可能預算規模很大那我們就如同院長剛說的我們逐年來編列的我們趕快在這個一千億的預算中然後來協助這一塊但是我要跟院長說從去年的開米事實上我們也看到說 |
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中央管的河川 輸菌的問題還是持續中去年凱米颱風後我們在第五河川分屬它輸菌了超過400萬方的土方輸菌了這些所以在今年的強降雨巴掌溪沒有溢流了巴掌溪有效果 |
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但是你看這個沙頂 沙頂落大河結果那些土石流又沿著上流又下來我們就看著說 哇 你看整個巴展溪內 整個上面的土都這樣流下來所以還是要持續要有輸進的一個需求 |
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所以是不是我們在這一次特別條例裡面它裡面沒有講到疏浚這塊那我自己我提一個對岸我希望可以把疏浚這一塊還是把它納入在我們這一次的災後重建的條例然後持續要有預算 |
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來做這個重要河川的一個輸進這部分可以嗎中央管河川的輸進我們在年度的公務預算當中就會有所編列那我再來檢討就這一次風災好雨之後優先應該整治地區我們會把它挑出來能夠及時來改善好謝謝院長那接下來再來講農業的問題農業的這次 |
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實際上想不到啦 這十七級風啦十七級風齁 差不多在我們嘉義我們泰國本來大概是很多青榮返鄉然後在那邊做溫王寺的一個耕作所以那邊的青榮很多都投入然後都做溫王寺那這次這個風這麼強縱使他用吸芯缸或者是他用R管的齁這樣的一個溫王寺都垂海去 |
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行政團隊也很棒啊 農業部長也是說好 我們要怎麼協助這些青龍讓他們恢復 迅速恢復他們的生產能量好 現在要恢復生產能量 我們說好 我們這個溫王寺補助八成補助八成 這個青龍大家都覺得這樣有感受到我們行政院的一個誠意但是因為災害有很多不同的樣態 |
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有的是我們是倒的 有的是沒倒沒倒的 他是胖子破了胖子破了 你就要整個換新結果我們就看到了說 你說胖子過去了胖子現在一分地 你要修理好差不多要三十五萬我們就是給他照以往的就是補助十萬一分地補助十萬 |
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結果就後來就產生了這樣的一個有感覺 會有感覺不講白的就是說如果我溫室是倒掉的倒掉的我補助八成我蓬勃吹去的 吹下去的我比較補助三十五萬 補助十萬 定於三成不夠所以他說乾脆我的溫室整個 |
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就直接把它夾掉他說它也是毀損 當然這樣不好這樣是不好 而且浪費預算所以我們想這一塊是不是我們在蓬勃上的這塊能不能做一個調整然後讓因為我們現在已經宣布了溫室導調補助八成結果它的蓬勃的部分是不是可以這部分來做一個調整一下 |
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我跟委員說明這件事情我也注意到了我們在處理溫室設施的部分重建的部分是八成沒問題樹架布的部分因為它是一個消耗性耗材我也去調查了現在所有的這些成本所以我現在正準備從原來的三分之一再往上調一些因為我覺得落差太大所以這個部分我們已經有在處理好 看能不能再調整一下 |
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那現在青龍 因為青龍要恢復他的工作事實上還是需要時間然後就是要文廣式的修繕可是文廣式的修繕大概有要做我們市的公司的那幾間他們也面臨到缺工的一個問題缺工 事實上他們現在需要工也真的沒有工 |
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所以有沒有可能在這段時間我們讓這些做溫廣式的他們可能會有工會讓他們工會一樣可以納入所謂的外展的一個制度這樣因為大特區外展他們可能就可以再去聘請一些移工然後來協助這段時間需要密集的來修繕這些溫廣式 |
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這部分有沒有辦法來協助我跟委員說明外展移工的部分在溫室的確現在的工班也很難處理我們也預估要全部把它重新修好至少要8到12個月會拉得很長所以我想我們會盡快的跟勞動部來協調不過 |
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引進外籍醫工那個可能必須時間會比較長至少要半年以後的事情所以我們現在就是我們也協調了溫室工會看他們彼此是不是可以做一些比較好的一個分工然後有一些是屬於協助工的部分我們會來幫他找一些比較臨時來做協助的這些人力來滿足他們的需求好 |
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最後一個議題就是因為我們現在正在講要加速復原可是加速復原的壓力在哪裡在基層 尤其是公所的公務人員但是我們從這一次知道可以很深的感受啦現在工程人員不夠 |
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工程人員不足 辦理發包的尤其是在公所這一塊公所他建設課的人以最高職等就到八職等所以他基本上是留不住人的他人都會跑到縣政府甚至是跑到中央政府中央政府職等比較高這個職等的一個差距已經造成公所留不住 |
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接下來就來一個整個的一個進步所以這個是不是院長你可以來檢討一下怎麼讓基層的三級政府可以留得住這樣一個公共的產業好不好你說的有真的家族最好你已經討論過六個跟非六個的整個都拉拉的進去那你現在其實重新再來六個對 那是六個跟非六個但是還沒有處理到產業政策因為產業政策的階段你要有辦法來 |
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好 謝謝蔡議員的質詢謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢 謝謝好 接下來我們請邱正軍委員質詢郭國文委員請準備 |
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主席好 我們有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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所有人好 院長好這次我們院長辛苦了不管颱風刮在哪裡 好雨下在哪裡都是在我們的土地受難的都是我們的鄉親所以立法院這一次在支持特別條例的唯一理由就是加速救助不拖延我們這次特別條例編列了560億 |
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那政院版部分直接說明在災區是台南、高雄、嘉義、屏東另外就是台中、彰化、南投、雲林的部分地區吧所以部長這些地方會適用特別條例吧 |
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跟我們報告我們在條例草案的第二條寫下說本條例所定的災區因為丹納斯颱風及7228豪雨後受創的地區這個會由未來的主管機關來加以 |
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就實際自災情況認定之後有行政院來公告我現在要講的就是我們苗栗花蓮台東雖然當然這一次比較嚴重的是嘉義跟台南其實這些鄉鎮這些縣市也都有一些的災損的部分我們也希望說這個部分院長這邊能夠答應能夠把這幾個地區都列入將來由 |
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實際自災的情況由主管機關來認定之後只要他認定到符合到我們必須救助的這種範圍跟程度行政會就會來公告所謂的災區因為你當時8月2號說要到苗栗來勘災後來臨時取消當然我知道這個有其他地方比較嚴重所以我們也 |
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不敢佔用你太多時間但我還是希望院長要把苗栗的範圍納進去救助一定要到 人沒有到沒有關係我有誤會我那天並沒有到其他地方那天本來排定了地區但是因為還跟地方接觸過程當中沒有排得很順暢所以就沒有過去看災 |
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對 院長我跟您確認一下苗栗的報告一下苗栗的狀況就農業部8月5號的統計顯示這是苗栗風災的災損農損金有高達1000多萬元全台農損排名第六名 |
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那屏東台中高雄嘉義南投這是前五名都進了可是唯獨苗栗沒有進入但是當然我也要謝謝農業部農業部已經把這個我們苗栗的農損部分已經馬上做了處理每公頃是補助8萬元但我現在發現一個問題就是說 |
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我們這八萬元是補給我們農民之前的損失嘛 對不對這一年來的辛苦它已經就化為泡沫了那現在碰到一個問題就是說這些弱果跟一些還在殘留在樹上的這些果實它現在開始天氣放晴之後開始爛了開始臭了開始有這個病媒紋啊 長蟲了 |
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這部分我有請教過農業部也請教過環境部這兩個部會都沒有說沒有科目可以來補助院長你可不可以承諾把這個部分也納入清除的部分我想說農業廢棄物的清除的部分也納入這一次的特別條例裡面 |
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等一下請部長報告就算沒有納入災區就算他原來的災損以及後續的作為農業部還是有災損準備金等等可以來因應他只是沒有進到特別條例特別預算裡面因為他們沒有科目農業部跟環境部都沒有這個科目他們想幫忙也幫也幫不了你懂我意思嗎 |
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我跟委員報告像我舉個例子就像紅棗紅棗有的在樹上有的在已經掉到地上了我們也曾經問過一些紅棗的果農其實他們也不願意人家因為有些東西他們還可以做加工用如果說這些果園的清除他要把清除物移到他的果園固定的位置的話我們會跟環境部一起現在就是清除的問題 |
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他有些東西可以用沒有用但是我看到這一次的摘水他其實都已經八成以上不能用了你說要再篩成紅棗乾那幾乎不太可能那當然你有講到說農民不希望人家進去他的果園那現在就是他還是要請人去處理你給他這一公頃八萬塊剛好清理完了他就沒了 |
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我想要跟委員報告我們天然災害救助是一個救助的精神去協助它盡快的復耕您剛才講的果園的清除的部分有一些它如果必須的時候也許我們會透過一些農會的系統來個案的協助因為我們也問過非常多的果農他們自己也願意做加工你要怎麼協助 你直接講好了 |
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我舉個例子 我們之前在文旦的部分我們就號召了一些青龍有沒有他們可以來協助他 他如果真的需要我們可以來號召所以這個部分等於說類似社區自助的話我們要找誰 經費從哪裡來這個不需要特別的經費我們用號召的方式可以來處理一些如果真的需要 特別他年紀大的你講這樣我聽不太懂啊不是 我想有一些年輕的我號召那麼久沒有人啊 |
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不是 我要跟委員報告有些年紀大的人他比較困難的部分我們就會來協助有一些年紀輕的人他對於已經落下的這些果實我講真的是很籠統我希望你納入之後你要有一些其實費用不是很多 院長在這個560億裡面其實那個占比是非常非常小的 |
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那我希望你體現一下農民我不講苗栗這個其他地方也會發生其他的水梨 葡萄這些都會受到影響都會有同樣的問題發生是不是我們一定要納入當然你要符合規定符合這一次的這個封災特別條例的規定裡面你如果符合我們就給你協助這樣最好各位委員 即便是非災區部分在丹拉斯颱風受到災損的農損各方面 |
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工程會是有一個專案的他只要報到這個專案來我們又可以用特統的經費來予補助真的是沒有問題的可以嗎 你把清除的費用拿進去可以嗎工程會在針對丹納斯颱風有公告一個專案各縣市政府相關公共設施或相關的受損那麼可以向工程會來提出 |
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農業部分清除也有嗎經過審查之後會核定到時候就會有用統籌分配稅款來處理你不是用救災條例啊雖然沒有在這個條例裡面同時可以用專案來處理 |
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就是非災區也可以用這個專案來處理好啦 那希望說這個我剛剛講三個重點就是農業廢棄物的清除跟苗栗的納入還有我們苗栗縣還有一件事情就是我們泰安鄉62-1縣這728豪雨過後然後過了幾天發生攤方結果壓死了兩個我們苗栗的鄉親其實那一條路一直以來 去年我也有請我們交通部也下去考察過 |
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當時看的是62線所以那一條路其實一直以來都是非常危險希望我們院長也能夠盡快的來協助我們這個比較常常發生意外的這些地方來盡快做協助好嗎 |
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我會請交通部進一步了解之後我們試狀況來跟地方做溝通來解決問題那院長我再請問一下災後特別條例編列了560億那各部會佔這個估算的分配金額大概是多少 |
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有這樣分配嗎我們有十大項分成在各部份裡面我們有沒有這個重建計畫有沒有提出重建計畫十大項裡面就是有一些復原的工作包括自來水 水利 家園 農業電力跟電訊系統都有很多的相關的復原計畫 |
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都有 現在都已經做了這個什麼重建計畫也做了我們在條例通過之後我們會編特別預算那裡面的計畫就會更明確就會寫得更清楚會再通到大院來審議我們823的罷免行政院有沒有派人 派支援派部會去 這個系統去支援 |
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823的罷免案行政跟罷免從來沒有投入沒有嘛 那我們衛福部的次長為什麼頂著衛福部次長的頭銜公開跑去安撫這個罷團我要講這個意思是說他是行政的 他是政務官那現在救災比較重要怎麼還有時間去搞這個罷免呢院長你覺得勒你覺得他這樣合適嗎 |
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市長的行程我在進一步來瞭解我們還是以政務 以救災以政務的推動為主要其他的都不是在我們政務的範圍裡面因為現在才要開始救災希望你們一直認真下去因為重建這個路是非常漫長的當初我們院長你說剛剛講到說這個重建計畫大概這個通過之後你們就會送過來嗎 |
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特別預算一定要送到大院來審理那盡快啦 好不好好的 謝謝另外 我再請教我們這次颱風我們光電板的災損大量集中在六個案場包括永興的興溫製紅池力生能源的漁電共生雲豹能源的漁電共生還有另外三個泰商投資的製紅池的案場 |
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那這六個案場的這個災損量占了整體災害的大多數我的問題很簡單清完了之後我請教院長你打算讓它原地復活嗎對不起 你要讓它它如果受損嘛 對不對那現在重建之後你要再讓它原地復活嗎 |
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我到過兩個案場我們到過嘉義兩個案場去看有的業主他很積極在做這個善後的工作但有的業者就是比較慢我覺得對比較慢的業者如果他拿不出誠意出來我覺得我們沒有必要在公共政策上跟他做任何的配合 |
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部長我請問你就是說我們國際上災後的光電暗場都有測出受損的光電板可能釋放鉛跟鎘這些重金屬所以我們這一次的這些現場的土地我們需不需要再做檢測 |
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我們都兩個禮拜有監測一次那過去三次的數據裡面沒有任何我們災後都有監測目前沒有任何的重金屬的污染所以就不用再做檢查就對了我們會這一次的風災造成這麼大的影響我們未來有沒有要重新檢視抗災的強度 |
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因為我們有跟經濟部有提出我們建議針對大型的案場可能要來一個比較大的體檢例如說大型的可能有一兩百個那可能做一個體檢如果說他沒有安全疑慮例如說他的建築結構或是說他的清運防災等等如果沒有疑慮的話我們認為是可以放行的 |
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所以你認為說已經不需要再做換變我認為是要重新再做體檢因為我好那我再問你他現在在復原之後那下一個颱風來又再造成這個今天這種狀況怎麼辦 |
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基本上這一次其實就是只有在滯洪池上面其他的固定式的我們發現問題不大甚至有一些屋頂他們用太陽能這是他們的損失會包含在561里面嗎基本不會 那是他們自己要清運政府不用出一毛錢不會補助他嗎不會 完全不會完全沒有嗎完全沒有 請大家放心 |
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那我再來問就是雲報北門這個案場雲報能源跟恩富資本2022年底啟用說是全台最大的漁電共生這預估20年的收益將會200億也就是說每年10億那它當然它還是全台第一件的光儲合一的案場那經濟部能源署第一批結合光電儲能跟台電的標案就是配電的標案是全台第一件 |
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那我想質問一下這麼高規格高產值高話題的案場結果颱風未來幾萬片全部都變成六大重災區的那當時我們北門和七谷都有停電紀錄對吧 有嗎當那是颱風當天雲豹的案場現在我們應該都有在處理不是我是說當天那邊有停電嗎 |
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有沒有停電報告員停電嗎報告員其實那個我有現場看那個暗場其實那個暗場是固定式的它的災損沒有像這個餘溫的那個滯洪池的那麼嚴重所以它當時沒有在災後沒有周邊都沒有供過電它能不能供電它的儲能廠能不能供電基本上它的受損的情況沒有像新溫的那幾個那麼嚴重所以它的電還沒有也沒有在做使用對不對它儲能的電沒有用 |
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他的這個暗場因為不是在那個制宏池上面的他是在一般的這個土地上面我是說因為光電板已經翻了嘛對不對現在是停電嘛那他那個儲能廠到底有沒有發生作用有沒有供電他在那個地方儲能的話因為 |
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因為他那個儲能沒有辦法把電送出去照理電線桿倒了這些還是可以用啊不是他就馬上可以發揮作用嗎不是 他那個電要能夠送出去啊儲能的電要能夠送出去接台電所以我們 報告委員現在我們未來啊會在這個地區上面實施這個智慧電網 |
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也就是說在那個儲電的話就可以供給這個附近的這個我現在要講的就是這樣子就是說我們這個儲電廠當它發生狀況的時候就像這一次電感都倒了這個時候是不是能發揮作用讓附近的這個居民都有電用對 將來會這樣將來會就像委員剛才所指教的這個部分來處理因為這個不然你這個儲電廠就等於白做了不是嗎對 是再來最後一個 |
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我還是希望我們特別條例之前沒有法律效益在那邊拿著它是沒有辦法主張任何權益我希望院長能夠把內容加到我們條例裡面可以嗎哪一段的內容就是所有的 所有的寫清楚 |
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每一個補助的項目可以嗎我們會在特別預算當中清楚的把每一項都標示出來它有多少的預算的規模它裡面要怎麼執行都會向大院來提出做審議的好 謝謝院長謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝邱振軍委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢 謝謝接下來我們請郭國文委員質詢蘇清泉委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 有請卓院長還有陳政委麻煩再請陳政委備詢 |
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郭委員好 謝謝總院長 國勢如馬 天災不斷面對難關我們一起度過本席其實在去年10月的時候選區當中的麻豆增穩地區受到台米颱風的影響 水災今年初的時候在南西的部分遇到地震 |
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到今年7月的時候又遇到風災當然是颱風所造成的其實120年來第一次的經驗我覺得到目前為止我們當然是颱風還沒有恢復結果明天又有新的颱風要來 |
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但現階段到這個尾聲的階段比較接近一個重建的階段是在於這個屋頂之前是蓋房不現在蓋屋頂政委這邊也清楚他也在緊急的進度但是我盡量從一個抓漏還有民怨可能會累積的地方來跟行政院這邊做討論第一個在一般戶的部分還有弱勢戶的部分現在在進度上是有所差別的 |
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大部分現在行政院下去所做的事情都是屬於一般婦的媒合一般婦媒合的這個機制當中還有一個上公津貼還有一個提早媒合的講不住但是對一般的民眾當中他已經自行修繕了他就覺得沒有 |
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這倒是給廠商還是給一般民眾這可能要陳政委說清楚另外一個部分是弱勢戶的部分弱勢戶的部分有自行修上完成也有包括是愛心團體幫他協助做完的但是還有一堆熬熬待補等待政府去協助他了但是整個公共工程緊急發包的方式雖然已經下放到地方可是地方到目前也都還沒有啟動 |
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也就是說前面這個一般戶的媒合太少但是後面的這個部分的速度太慢我想這恐怕會累積民怨的地方我想要跟陳政委跟院長講一下是不是不要有任何的差別待遇政府該給的一般戶的全部都有該給這個弱勢戶的譬如講我弱勢戶我已經自行舉借或者以自己的存款已經蓋了 |
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結果我已經蓋完之後我沒有收到你的媒合也沒有拿到你公家資源你是不是應該把相同的補助給我是不是這樣子 政委跟委員報告 |
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一般戶五萬十萬這個叫復原未租金上供津貼一萬五或三萬是給廠商的但是廠商總是你如果已經做好了當然你業主要有個證明有個合約或有個證明透過受災戶的證明這個錢是給廠商的每盒是兩萬塊保固是台南市政府負責或嘉義縣政府負責 |
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弱勢戶現在是全部有政府負責有政府負責的意思就是臺灣市政府去付然後行政會補貼那一天的指揮會議我特別去我也建議說弱勢戶要處理只是弱勢戶現在的定義範圍我們還沒有出來有就是說從200多到1500全面性的認定定義是一個第二個部分有些弱勢戶我重點弱勢戶他自己已經出資或借款已經蓋完了這個部分 |
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雖然它已經完成地方政府還有包括打去這個災防辦的地方大家都說這個已經蓋完就沒了就沒有補助了不應該是如此啊我就要確立一個平等的原則啦做市戶十萬五萬這個今天有 因為它沒有媒合當然不能領取這兩萬塊嘛 |
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那目前的狀況呢已經安排煤合中的1917戶完成簽的217戶那個數字我都知道我現在跟你不是在談數字不是談業績我現在跟你談公平性的問題 |
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就是重點是說我雖然沒有經過你政府的媒合但是我已經自行修繕了經過政府媒合你有補助給他我自己修繕我居然沒有拿到補助還是借款跟委員報告我們自行故供在9月底拆除的我們也會補助兩萬塊那相關的媒合工班我們也會全力來負責政府的補助所以要平等啦我意思是說要平等一般戶的部分自行或者是經過政府媒合的 |
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都應該要給他們就是我第一個現在就剩下我意思是說弱勢戶本來政府免費替他做嘛他現在已經自己出錢做了嘛是不是因為我們定義在後嘛我們犯規是在後面今天在指揮所那個顧問還在召集會議這個會跟台南市政府跟嘉義縣政府談出一個 |
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上限或時間如果這個上限跟時間談出來了將來說這個弱勢戶呢他有可能是工班已經現在是工班免費都替弱勢戶因為我們定義在後嘛我們範圍補助的對象是在後面他是在前面自行修復的那這一部分是不是容我來追溯最後來討論就是說上限確定了 |
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時間確定了那他是不是要有一些證明本席的建議就是對 要證明之後讓他結束他有證明 他有付款證明會有一些合約那我們應該到什麼程度那這個我們在討論中跟委員報告 也許我們阿三日啦 政委 我在講啦中央的善款3.5億啦地方也快1億了 4.5億了這個還有什麼還有什麼需要再討論的本席在這邊問你就是這個可能是民怨的地方 |
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要扁扁坎坷人你政府要不說要補助 我已經先做了後面你說政府要補助你後面你就要補助 政府要不補助 都有這個事情嘛還需要討論若師傅大概幾百戶啦現在已經故宮做了大概不多啦又不是沒有錢 不需要討論到哪裡去啊這個不會構成問題啦所以我們把上限跟時間定出來之後會針對委員關心的那特別來評估啦能錢解決的問題都是小問題啦 |
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好 接下來石棉瓦的問題石棉瓦的問題 我說在現階段的石棉瓦預估那一天環境部講說10萬噸但是至少回損有1萬噸為了避免二次傷害的情況底下現階段的石棉瓦以環境部在負責的內政部先慢點走 |
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董事長有你的業務現在你目前處理的是運的部分你要花兩個月的時間把它運可是重點運的前面是猜猜 現在民眾猜 現在人心惶惶人心惶惶 我給你看一張照片你後面一個照片 這兩個小孩子 |
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只有手套 沒有防霧鏡 沒有口罩更不要說還成衣他來處理石棉瓦你在看前面那張照片前面那張照片 你看鄉下地方這個整陶有三分之二的地方都是什麼 都是石棉瓦 |
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石棉瓦過去大部分都在中南部嘛我意思是說是不是把這個清的專案這7.8億之外前面要請院長能不能做個材質拆跟運不是拆它只有運它沒有清拆清拆應該是找農業部就是譬如講畜牧業占了很多地方是石棉瓦的或者是生活所需的需要拆的工班有的是那個內政部清是不是從清跟拆把它合併來做思考 |
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趁這個機會呢 化為機為轉機過往我們在推這個十面碗的時候都是被動的 就是你來跟我申報化被動為主動 趁這個機會有回水你只要報 我來幫你清 |
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我來幫你清理原因說一般的民眾他不會去買護目鏡N95口罩或者買防塵衣嘛按照勞動部的標準是要這樣子他怎麼可能一個小小的建築物然後做這麼大的功夫呢就乾脆由政府來協助從拆到運一併處理院長有沒有可能 |
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報告委員 其實差異的部分例如說一般的民宅是由國土署那邊來有便利經費你去申請就有那如果一般農畜設施農業部來那我們是負責清最後的去化在本席還沒有協調之前國土署連要帶N95口罩那些工班還不曉得還勞動就是協助的 |
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哪來的清的計畫你清的計畫預算在哪裡你現在應該趁這時候重建計畫當中把這個清除跟運的部分一併處理而且以你目前的狀況所有7.8億的清收專案當中 |
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基本上是補助給地方有7.8億一般的行情一噸大概是3萬8你這可以清到2萬噸之多對 差不多可以清到2萬噸之多所以這種情況底下你應該把擴大這個範圍由政府主動 |
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來協助趁這個機會化為機會轉機把這個石棉瓦一併來做處理跟委員報告我們在第一時間就已經跟環境部跟勞動部都討論好了我們其實也進入進去協助相關的清除包括說要協助第一線的工班怎麼樣子拆除這些相關的石棉瓦的工程以及後續的清除作業相關的經費的部分我們也非常感謝環境部也都給我們支持相關的經費也都會下去會一起來協助 |
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放在這7.8億當中那麻煩院長找個時間正式一個新聞稿都要公佈到現在民眾還不知道政府可以幫忙協助清如果可以協助清到運的話我覺得這對整個災區的話的重建會是一大的幫助另外一個部分我也跟院長說明一下 |
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就我的理解從這個生活的重建之後還後面還有生產的重建生產的重建的部分就是經濟部的部分經濟部以目前為止所提出來關於這個當然是颱風的專案跟728的這個水災的部分還是COPY0403的這個專案0403是地震所造成的 |
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可是後來的當然是颱風還有爆發728都是風災跟水災樣態不一樣產業型態也不一樣產業型態的部分它最多的機械補助只有1.5兆 |
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青青彩彩的也一台CNC那一台 他們對那一台不太多他10萬是可以做什麼這第一個要去考量範寬這個理賠的項目也要提高一定的金額不要停留在0403甚至工廠毀損之後他有可能需要租金補貼等等這個都需要處理 |
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回憶一樣不一樣了就是扛棒如果壞的話生財工具如果損失的話會多補助一萬我花了那麼多力氣去跑一個補助一萬的案子一萬塊基本上我要找那個吊車都很困難扛棒那是需要吊車的你一萬能做什麼 |
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就真的在賠償當中一萬真的沒有辦法做什麼服務業的問題也是面對這樣子所以我也請院長督促一下經濟部不要再copy0403啦這不一樣的案件啦 好不好還有在農業部的部分喔農業部的部分全品項說得很好但是事實上全品項的部分只有六項以至於很多民眾在等待要去勘查 |
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岸線非常的多到目前為止地方的執行率非常的低真的是難以消化所以我是不是跟農業部建議一下這個全品項免線攤的部分是不是有放大的可能兩種基準一種是農產品屬於長期的作物另外一種是它種植的面積是範圍很大的這一種都容易受到災損 |
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這種範圍當中 是不是可以把它放大以致於現在很多民眾去申請了都沒那麼多地方的能量沒有那麼多 |
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是不是考慮一下部長我跟委員報告全品項跟免現勘是兩件事情我們全品項已經公告了免現勘我們也針對台南地區我們也是一看再看就是它沒有辦法具有普遍性因為它的災害可能不同的地區是不一樣的一旦免現勘的話等於說你都不用勘災全部理賠 |
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所以我們現在六項最主要就是大眾的像玉米玉米這種高精作物的我們就照委員那時候的建議但是去申請理賠的非常的多但是問題是說你現在不要讓人家嗷嗷逮捕就是說是不是有放寬的可能性譬如講這範圍比較大你去評估一下譬如講竹筍或者香蕉香蕉都整片的 |
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熔岩 蓮子等等這些東西基本上它屬性是不一樣的去考量一下減少太多民眾期待過久所造成的抱怨 部長我了解你給我一個部分還有部長溫室網這次補助的層數調整得不錯但是我們上次在開記者會的時候有提到是不是在這次重建條例的時候來思考一下 |
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溫室網的部分因為它有一定程度的資本的門檻用已租放貸的方式來做處理把它納入重慶的思考有沒有可能 |
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我跟委員報告就是乙株代購的方式是一個非常好的構想而且是應該往這個方向去走但是現在因為溫室業者的工班全部在處理現在的溫室重建所以我們現在在規劃用專案的方式找到適當的地點特別是可能跟台南的地有因為地要沒有問題然後再看看 |
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業者願意進來蓋的時候我們用融資的方式來處理然後租給農民我們會用小規模的方式先來處理那等這一次的溫室全部他們重建以後後續他們就有資金跟比較有量能來做一些建設這樣的話才能夠往後往前走對 把它建構一個新的模式出來 |
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另外一個部分其實我跟院長說明一下過去以前我們在思考天然災害的孤島下流都停留在山區以土石流為主但這一次的孤島下流是發生在海邊今年7月份內政部所公布的指數可能會一直造成孤島的部分發生在哪裡發生的全部都在海邊都土石流台南連一個位置都沒有但是這一次海邊全部都是孤島完全都斷訊了 |
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所以這個部分是不是能夠在這個思維當中能夠經濟部建構微電網在海邊的部分還有包括通訊 儲能設施基本上以及目前農業部所說的漁電共生的部分不要一個單線的傳輸到台電而能夠跟社區共生的可能性是 報告委員 |
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好 謝謝郭國文委員資訊謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝 |
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好 接下來我們請蘇清泉委員質詢陳冠廷委員請準備好 謝謝主席我們請卓院長還有農業部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長備詢農業部陳部長 |
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主委好 鳳太又來了 楊柳我今天在中島進行 各地旁邊一間發布海上颱風警報 陸上颱風警報也發布了這間你看這個島 這間台東 屏東 高雄 台南 還要下去 |
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啊 你的一萬塊我當時要發財再去 再去 楊卓英你給我回答說要不要想我媽啊 |
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一萬塊要發一萬塊的 要給誰擔保收費我們在強化韌性條例的特別條例當中總統已經公告了大約修正後的特別條例公告以後就會生效我們現在認為這個對於現在產業的支持或許還有調整的必要 也對於 |
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電網的民生系統維護還有增加的必要那對弱勢是不是要做多一層的考量那除了這些之外基本上它會維持原來在大院所通過的特別條例的內容我們在修正之後再通過之後我們再編訂特別預算去執行新加坡管理庫發發就發展韓國總統一上任 |
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不到一個月就發五千多塊到九千多塊大家都看在眼裡 大家遠近都血量的現在台灣沒有人 一定台灣沒有人 大家都很聰明下一張委員你必須知道我們這個是舉債來執行這項業務的下一張這一次農業部的表現很好我這一次再一次跟你肯定但是還是有一些問題要跟你報告 |
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第一個 你們農業部的補助 農損的計算你是用你補助的錢來做農業損失一定 你可能不知道這點可不可以說 鄉村的育兒包一公頃補助六萬多塊它就是一分錢補六千幾塊 |
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你來月包侯友修繩一分地可以修三十萬三十萬 你的水道水道你補助兩千多塊一分地兩千多塊金舟還在漲金舟多少 八千對不對 補償八萬一間地八萬 遠遠不足你就用他你補助的金額來算榮損 |
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事實上跟世紀上是差十倍以上我跟委員報告就是天然災救助本身的救助金的計算是用成本的精神的百分之二十去計算用百分之二十我覺得這個是絕對可以檢討我們現在也正在檢討 |
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剛才你講的是用產值產值的時候會跟當年的物價的波動有很大的關係那個東西變得沒有一致性的標準是很難去處理的沒有啦 第一個就是你的補助的金額都偏低所以那個要調整好不好 要調整好不好 |
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我們一年都提供你一次你一次的調整20塊 30塊什麼都可以我們會去看它現在目前的生產成本的20%上下那我剛才說的這20%是不是適當我們是可以來討論的你把農產品的農損下到這麼低你是要顯示什麼你給農民很失望的嘛你一塊地 一分地的金銷你給他補託八千塊那八千塊就買不掉就不夠啊 |
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一分多的香蕉總共要300多張我們家裡種香蕉的我小時候會去買香蕉的所以你說這樣一分多300多張香蕉還賣了什麼這樣你的身份到一個八千幾個你說幾天 |
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我講百分之二十的成本不是全部的成本成本的百分之二十這樣你說會做農損你也要農損說得比較高人們不會說你怎麼啊對不對你說這麼高要積這個管子九千萬這個管子七千萬實際上都十倍以上嘛農漁務的損失 |
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這麼大 農業相關人口三百萬人咧不要人家劍打好不好我跟委員報告 現在我們粗暴的部分是用成本大概是37.8億但是產值的損失可能是上百億大概四倍 三倍到四倍左右看到十倍都有好 那剛剛很多委員說 錢品向前方位我贊成 但是金額要提高嘛 好不好 |
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一定有 答應一下 逐年調一下要不然 再來你用溶損用這種步驟來做溶損這樣是不對 遠遠不足的 |
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我還是要跟委員報告這次的災損我們除了救助但我們知道救助進來遠遠不足農民要復耕的所以我們又加了這些專案的補助那補助下去以後還不夠的話我們又用貸款的方式特別是免息的貸款的部分來支持農民減輕農民的金融支持壓力我要去屏東看那個紅來728水災到底來岩山公路這樣密密冒冒 那看 |
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那邊跟農糧署說他本來就說叫鳳梨也補助所以我給他簽訂是簽訂在這裡啊 其他的不對 不對嘛要改選嘛 要改選嘛 對不對我那天去 威文會去加去看那些光電板啊 看那些蚵仔蚵仔餅一瓶我們蚵仔餅一瓶補助五百塊說叫那個布袋啦 叫那個香港素的人說要借白啊出去外面去 去上去那裡 |
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風影那麼大,如果再變白又變白,又有人瀆死,我們就叫做因公殉職,那就是很簡單的事情,空拍機拍一拍就好了, |
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不要做那麼無聊的事情院長不要這樣糟蹋我們的公務人員看了真的很心疼跟委員報告委員對農民的關心或者公務員講話我們都非常感謝那也知道中央政府也一樣是站在照顧大眾的立場上來做所有的政府的推動今年我們通過如果這個特別條例通過我們編的特別預算560億是要舉債的 |
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另外我們在任性特別條例如果通過大院所通過的5450億我們還要舉債1000億明年的中央政府總預算我們要舉債更大的一個數目所以中央政府的財政已經陷入這種狀況我們還是願意從中間以補助 |
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照顧弱勢最大跟優先的原則來做但一再這樣一直加我們的舉債就會一直一直的增加這也是現在中央財政的問題但是每次我談這個從來沒有委員願意跟我對談這個問題還有一個就是農業的保險這也要給我們政府感謝就是說你們中央有補助保養費對中央政府有補助 農民自己出超過40% |
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一箱大概平均就一箱而已一箱而已嘛 這樣很好啊你保養你還搞到外面的民間公司搞什麼互幫監控啦什麼的那些私營公司每天就有夠過分的要保養 要收收金金 要保養 |
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GGYY 委員 你可能誤會農業的保險本身雖然是產務保險公司在做但是他們的核定跟他們的認定我們是由農金署這邊來協助的而且是用天氣參數只要風速或雨量到的時候就賠不會去限開我跟院長 請求一下我們農業部存在著照顧廣大農業民農業相關人口300萬人 |
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一年的產值差不多五千五千多億啦這很重要 這國家安定農業 糧食什麼都安全保養喔 自己農經濟 自己農業部可以去做你既然保育都你出這麼多啊你就自己做 自己照顧你的農民也這樣比較寬容的 寬大給他理賠給他民間公司啊你不搭歐北部 我看不下去耶然後你出那麼多錢你就把它收來自己做嘛 |
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這樣可以考慮嗎我已經講了十次了我領綱再去親自去跟委員說明我們現在產物保險公司跟農金屬有一個非常好的互動的機制跟檢查的機制不會像你說的就是說當理賠的時候產物保險公司一直在苛扣這個部分我想我們可以保證絕對沒有這種事情但是我想會後找個時間再跟委員報告這金光公司一年賺幾百億幾百億天天在那邊吹牛第一季賺幾百億第二季賺 |
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看他們敢賠錢 賠到這樣好 下一位這個我們的榮淳 榮水路我都有去屏東那邊去看所以在這裡跟大家報告這都要寬列預算來做你五百六十月不夠不夠就剩這麼多對不對這會增加舉債 |
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這五年銷售一兆五六千億我們認知的是這麼多錢你認知的說你都不夠這大家再來討論一下往年都花去的你們都不算你們都算收拿進來的錢這樣子不對啊 |
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但這已經我不需要討論這些事情啦我們政府舉債如果能夠照顧到大眾大家認為行政院該舉債 立法院也認為可以舉債我們用舉債的方式來指引那必須是大量的舉債環境部 環保 環境部長環境部 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 環保 |
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今天早上美國前太平洋司令跟美國國防顧問說台灣一定要重啟閒置的核電廠這是美國說的 不是我說的他說我們的極端氣候我們的能源都是靠外面的這個是非常危險 |
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那我再一次跟你報告 我就在屏東屏東 河山 那四個 河川半島四個鄉庭他們做的民調 同意研議的有75%那全台灣的民調 同意的有70% 反對的18% |
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所以不像你說的那樣我是覺得只有一個觀念就是要揮合家園這個神主牌是無聊的沒有意義的時間暫停所有人對不起 不好意思今天我們是邀行政院長就第17條職權刑事法請行政院長就當然是颱風專案報告拜託互相尊重 理性對話我們根據這個範疇好不好 |
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謝謝我要跟產業環境部說你們最近把寶樹 寶芽 寶龍在屏東光電板這個把他們停下來 把他們退回我要跟你肯定謝謝委員 |
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所以我們要做 河山場的土地面積高達500公頃你要過渡時期 將來要做SMR將來要做合融合 我們都非常贊成它的土地有夠大啦所以一定 大家都很清楚 大家都很聰明河山場的院長長 副長長都在那裡揣摩 洗衣機 體育還在那裡如果說那裡有危險 他跑就跑掉了他還在那裡所以這次這裡 |
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人事這樣亂來亂去 沒有意思啦部長 你幫你幫了人博定 你如果把那個遁親募齡費拿掉你看他會不會再支持你 真正的啊你遁親募齡費 所以他是看到遁親募齡費喔你把遁親募齡費拿掉 你看他要不要同意 |
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講這個沒什麼意思啦好 請郭部長請回來 我們請邱部長因為這個比較麻煩請衛福部備詢郭部長請回院長 這個是莫拉克颱風的時候這張圖這個是我們醫院把我們的醫師召回你看到沒有 整個灰灰的他們的車停在高速公路上我們拉貨櫃車去把他們載下來 |
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那貨櫃車裡面還有有爪啦 有爪咧爪 爪 給我算十公尺錢他也怕 喝水咧 這醫生這樣一年一年下來然後我們護理人員坐雙甲應賓車來他們當時是受災婦喔 他也來了喔這就是我們醫護人員靠海的所在 |
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他們的堅持跟之前也是一樣這間台南票這麼嚴重雲嘉南這麼嚴重請的人他們也是我們去堅守崗位所以我今天要跟院長特別說的就是我要感謝邱部長領導友方第一個 第二個健保也寬限嘛第三個就是醫療院所有受災的要趕快走想問一下這些醫護人員 |
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他們如果真的 讓他們幫忙嘛讓他們 如果是受災的時候那嚴重的時候 他們都在擔班擔主給他們一些鼓勵 可以嗎 副長這個列出來 全部給他們個人嘛醫療院所不會拿你一毛錢 |
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謝謝我們今年的健保經費比較充裕真的很感謝我們總統跟院長的幫忙特別是公務預算所以我們在點子鍋已經到達大家所期望的標準今天這個風災造成的傷害我們會在幾個部分來談第一個災民我們在健保補助部分負擔這個部分我們都給他充分的協助 |
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在醫院的各部分我們做全部災區的調查大概大家都能夠真的很感謝所有的醫療援手還有醫護團隊真的在風災的時候還是依然這樣在服務民眾而且是冒著可能自己家裡也是受災戶 |
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特別感謝 那醫院的這個部分我們都看他損傷的狀況是怎麼樣我們都會給予他幫忙然後診所是比較多的狀況比照COVID-19的時候 他們出來了那沒幾天嘛 補助隊那是要鼓勵 要不然這最後又跑掉一堆人委員報告一下 那個南區的分組健保的分組 自己都會共管會議去討論他們也願意來協助 |
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好 謝謝蘇慶泉委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各部相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝 |
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好 接下來我們請陳冠廷委員質詢陳冠廷委員質詢之後我們會休息十分鐘你好 我們請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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陳薇好 謝謝 辛苦你了院長辛苦了院長剛才有提到這個政府的負債比率那我們稍微談一下負債比率因為這跟我們未來可能要舉在因應未來各個不同的氣候挑戰是有關的其實在一般的政府負債台灣是優於主要國家台灣目前是三成左右那得利於過去的稅務改革也是得利於過去的一些我們選擇用正確的方式用財政的手段去面對那相比之下美國是249 |
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美國是118% 日本是249%所以比較起來我們的負債比例是相對安全的所以如果未來面臨氣候的挑戰當我們該舉債來去面對的話我大地的支持政府特別是行政院能夠編相關的預算我們一起來面對這樣子的挑戰所以這一次行政院通過的單大式颱風跟728豪雨災後的重建的特別預算這個條例基本上我們就是用我們的預算去做對的事情 |
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所以把農業設施 現金救助還有貸款利息我看到都有納入重建的項目這個地方我是給予肯定的但是執行的細節的方面特別是我們嘉義地區剛才有提到有很多農作物高經濟作物它是受到嚴重的創傷 |
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所以這一次的嘉義災情它是史無前例所以條例裡面第四條第二項它有授權各中央機關來去訂定補助方法院長有多次提到我們是要重優、重寬跟重塑我就特別提到這個重優的部分這個原則 |
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農業部之前有來我們嘉義來勘栽部長也有提到其實這一次的多年生的作物我特別提到多年生的作物就是說因為很多的因為風災它是連根拔起也就是說像是嘉義的像茶 咖啡梅子 荔枝 龍眼還有樹葡萄等種類它是主幹它是主樹幹 主幹或者是根系是連根拔起所以它影響的不是一級 |
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它影響的是三到五年的收成而且這一次是颱風來之後又好雨好雨來之後又颱風去年也有颱風所以過去一年 今年到明年後年五年甚至是接下來六七年他們等於是全部都要在蒙受這個損失所以剛才有提到是產值跟成本成本的20%剛才部長有提到成本的20% |
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我是很希望具體來說要考量到物價上漲還有多年生的這些作物的特性我是希望說能夠在納入這一次特別條例的考量的時候把它佐樣提升剛才提到的這一些我剛提到荔枝農園 茶 咖啡等等其實多品項的作物全部都面臨這樣子的問題包含香蕉也是部長上次來我們看到你來我們中譜的時候那墾頓農民是欲哭無淚就是因為說他們需要足夠的成本來去反映然後我們如果只是用 |
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過去的20%而不是考量到今年去年跟明年這種物價非常快速的上漲的狀況的話我認為民眾是沒有辦法感受到的包含損農也是我幾乎每到一個地方每一位農民朋友們都跟我們說他不僅是青農老農全部都有這樣子的問題是不是可以請部長剛才您說會好好的去來去做審視是不是可以給我們簡單一個回應謝謝委員的 |
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這樣子一個說明我想基本上我們農業部在做救災的時候就是一定要讓農民恢復信心能夠持續的在農業的經營這是我想我們最重最核心的一個價值所以我們在考慮這個農損的救助金因為農損的救助金在現在的法律都是用20的成本去計算每一年我們都調一次 |
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但是條是針對相關的成本而上升的那我現在在考慮的是說我要不要鎖住這個20這個20到底有沒有道理所以我會用專案的方式來解決這樣的一個問題謝謝部長 就是用專案的方式那請把我剛才提到的多年生的作物那直接是連根拔起所以說這20%是不是反映到的是今年的20%因為它是等於是三五年 十年等於是一個長期的影響這個再麻煩部長能夠把它納入考量 |
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院長再來就是跟針對這個山區的防災的整備特別是跟電力相關的我就不再贅述因為這次3000多根電線趕倒塌然後近百萬戶停電耗電的時間是非常長的我想提到這個山區的電網的部分針對山區的電網我想請教政府是不是有考慮推動微電網跟儲物能的機制 |
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那這些偏遠的社區它在主電網失效的時候至少在關鍵的基礎設施包含他們的當地的消防單位或者是這一個學校它能夠可以至少有一個微電網還有除電的機制讓他們能夠有機會在救助來之前能夠自己支出好 在答覆微電網我們的計畫之前容許給我一分鐘我談談我們的舉讚 |
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其實在去年520之前我跟總統在工作之前有個長談我們都認為我們要嚴守國家的財政紀律所以除了軍購等必要的預算之外我們希望能夠編正規的長年預算而不編特別預算我們也希望能夠降低國家舉債雖然我們現在還有餘裕的空間但是我們不是守成不變我們希望把 |
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舉在空間騰出來當國家有需要的時候我們有更多的力量來做所以今年的總預算我們雖然編了三兆以上但是有兩兆八百零九億它是新增的項目就是原來的預算當中我們是不允許隨意增加但新增項目是國家所需要所以新增的項目我們可以編進來但是不要在現有的無限給它膨脹 |
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是要壓低整個國家未來舉債的空間能夠讓它餘裕出來但是這一次我覺得有一點 |
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跟想法不一樣就是我們必須靠舉債來支應這個是特別條例靠舉債來支應包括發現金的這個方式但是這如果已經形成一種社會跟國會的期待跟要求我們只要改變我們的初衷但是我要說的是這跟原來我們在治理國家的方向上是截然不同的這是一個很大的心理的障礙但是我們願意把它突破 |
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舉債不舉債不是不做事是放在未來來做那現在如果已經到了這個時候我們就用舉債來幫助農民幫助國家這是因為去年院長你們選擇用嚴守財政機率所以我們才有餘裕來面對這次的挑戰所以這一次舉債是正確的 |
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未來局在 也是正確的如果要走 未來要去做修復我們的社區我認為這是正確的做法那剛剛委員所說的這個包括我們建制行動的通訊行動車還有建制移動式的發動機再來我們增加 |
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第二軌的這個高抗災性的基地台包括微波包括衛星等等都是未來我們在災區以及在增強韌性上面我們必須要去做的我也承認在這個過程當中我們在這次的韌性考驗上我們不足所以未來一定用比較大的 |
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這個政策跟財務的支持把這些部分給它迅速的強化起來院長我是說微電網就是說儲能就是社區比較偏遠的地方能夠有儲能的計畫微電網如果在一個地區裡面它有發電的設備 光電板但是因為停電它沒有辦法我們就用移動式的發電機 |
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跟這個銜接的方式讓他能夠提供給附近的業者能夠來使用那這個微電網的出現的建置能夠保持現在比較大型電網上安全上的不足的考量這個也是在相同的這個政策裡面來考量的 |
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報告委內政部這邊做一點補充就是說在院長的指示之下其實我們在相關的內政部的一些韌性計畫裡面我們也提了微電網社區的計畫也跟台電合作所以在未來我們會針對國內一百七十幾個抑制災的古島社區我們會協助他們評估 |
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是否進行相關的微電網設置微電網的設置特別是儲能的部分因為設置儲能還有一些小型的光電或者是小水利的系統協助社區一起來共同度過這樣的一個風險就是一之災的地方我特別要強調這個部分就是說因為道路 |
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要搶通之後那再來才會有電再來才會有訊號就是所謂的這個訊號所以我希望他們能夠自給自足的目的也是這樣子所以為什麼要有儲能也是希望有這樣子最基本它能夠我們會跟台電合作再麻煩一下還是麻煩就是說在我們山區有一個計畫就是說至少有幾個 |
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給自己一個數字好不好完成幾個數字那我們下次我們再特別是在我們梅山竹崎阿里山地區等到我們全部通過去的話他可能比較後期他們前期至少有能夠有微電網或者是儲能設備的話對他們會有一些很正面的幫助這個部分我們希望盡快盡速來麻煩那再來就是災民的安置那院長這一次的風災我看其實 |
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有很多年長的農民他不太願意到異地的收容所民間有提出一些其他的方案包含檢疫的住宅 臨時的住宅貨櫃屋 組合屋等等的就地安置的方向那我是不是可以請院長 |
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所以行政部門來考慮一下說是不是在災前我們就可以先完成一些開口契約的簽訂讓未來他們可以更快速更彈性的選擇他們的安置選項清單所以包含組合屋 會櫃屋等等都是一個方向不知道院長怎麼看 |
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跟委員報告 在颱風之後的幾天內我就向地方政府提出有沒有需求要用組合屋我們有找到一些能夠提供組合屋的業者跟原來有些設施的但地方的需求 告訴我們的需求第一個 依親的很多還有就是 |
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收容所收容的並不多就是組合物的需求並不高所以我們就沒有跟地方在座溝通說是不是一定要強制多這一項的選擇那現在想起來如果當初有一些組合物的構成的話也許在 |
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搶修屋頂的過程當中會讓災民更能夠得到生活上的便利這是我們是跟地方討論的結果因為每個地方其實狀況都不太一樣就是比方說我提到我們的社區有人這樣提出來願意協助那有社區的災民說他想要這樣做但他不代表台南地區也是想要這樣高雄地區也想這樣甚至是海區跟山區都不一樣所以我提出來不是說我一定是對的我是說有這個聲音那我們可以把它 |
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謝謝我們確實當時有討論到而且很深入的去了解地方的需求謝謝院長我希望未來可以把它納入這樣子的話我們可以從這次學到很多那我們下一次就可以快速的反應了解那再來就是說關於這個不出的申請當然有很多長者我知道我們現在有各個不同的世代有史以來最多世代生活在一起就是現在這個世代 |
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因為年齡我們的老齡化 高齡化 超高齡化所以是三四個不同世代的人同時出台這一切很多世代的還不見得熟悉用網路申請相關的機制所以院長是不是可以指示相關部會用主動訪視代為申請的機制比方說除了村里幹事之外包含讓這個招聘約聘室的專員來去主動協助落實的災民完成申請就是說我們的特別預算裡面是不是可以包含這個可能性 |
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我很謝謝包括基層的村里幹事他們做了很多類似的工作也有很多社區的志工做了很多類似的工作量能縱然有所不足未來我們如何在人力上再加以補充要讓這些比較年長者適應到現在的操縱的工具這個是我們在增進彼此中央跟人民之間溝通必要的一個考量我會為他們考量 |
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好 謝謝院長我趕快再繼續接下來問一下關於接下來的救災國防部我看這個相關的國防部災害防救辦法裡面有包含預置兵力的選項 |
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這一次我必須要提到這一點的原因是因為每一次的狀況不同我們是也可以請國防部的一起來共同來討論我們是不是可以預先因為這個選項裡面有包含預先將部隊進駐高風險抑制災的鄉鎮之外 |
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除了這個部分我想是不是預制一些相關的這些重機具裝備還有可能未來會真用的特別是提到這個是發電 通信還有災後的防疫這些我們都預先先準備好因為有些時候我上次也提到就是在跟對交通部的質詢的時候就是許多的開口企業的廠商他們是要負責把道路清清完之後台電才可以進入電信業者可以進入但是他們本身在第一時間 |
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要去執行這些清運工程的人本身就已經受困了那他們又沒有衛星電話因為他們沒有像國軍要那麼多的裝備所以第一時間把重要的主幹道讓這一些能夠第一線救災的人員至少能夠可以救災再去維護後面的復原就很重要所以這次是不是可以請國防部能夠預先把一些相關的機器裝備通訊等等的先預先準備好那等到地方通報的時候國防部就可以更快速的應處 |
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謝謝委員的指導我想國防部在救災的工作上來講有預置兵力也就是說颱風如果侵襲20小時之內我們的所有兵力就要預置再重要的像比如說土石流或是積水地區的話我們會提前36個小時佈置AV管就是陸戰隊兩棲登陸車這個通常來講都是宜蘭 花蓮或是蘇澳這個地區為居多 |
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至於說委員講的發電機也好還有通信的衛星電話也好國防部都是在所有的救災部隊裡面是標準配備所以在這個預置兵力上來講國防部會持續的來加強這樣方面的準備工作這次可能會從東部然後就直接從嘉義台南這邊除非我們可能馬上就遇到這樣的問題再麻煩國防部能夠盡快跟我們來協助一下 |
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接下來最後就是關於鄉鎮公所為什麼講到鄉鎮公所他們是第一線的人才他們第一線就要接災民的電話第一線就要處置負責補助等等的院長 目前鄉鎮公所的委任官的比例限制是35%縣市政府已經下降到25%公所的組密職等大概是8到9課長是7到8所以這樣的職等是讓天花板等於是讓年輕的公務人員如果選擇在第一線的話他看不到升遷的未來 |
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我是希望說能夠有機會的話讓相公所這一個層級因為他們必須要第一個地方去面對能夠檢討一下讓人事全面來檢討看看讓第一線做做多的人能夠得到相應的報酬這個部分再麻煩院長帶回去來討論一下好的 對基層人員的鼓勵不應該只是說口頭 |
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謝謝陳冠廷委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢歡迎會現在在我們一場旁聽席上來自遙遠波羅的海拉脫維亞拉德比亞八位國會議員立定我們掌聲歡迎Welcome to Taiwan我們接下來休息我們再一次謝謝羅志強委員 王育民委員盧憲宜委員還有劉淑冰委員一起參與我們專討我們休息十分鐘 謝謝 |
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報告委員會現在我們繼續開會我們接下來請盧憲一委員發言林黛華委員請準備主席有請院長跟原民會主委麻煩請卓院長原住民委員會請備詢 |
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主委好主委好因為最近我們部落都在受禍季我相信主委非常辛苦然後我們不僅要有時候要前沿歡笑然後還要去看災形成非常的忙碌那昨天 |
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我們在參加山地門的收穫季的時候有人問我說這麼多災情你們為什麼還要辦收穫季還有什麼值得快樂的嗎那我心裡面是這樣想我沒有正面回答他其實身在這樣一個多風災的國家我們原住民在這邊生活了幾千年幾萬年可能已經非常習慣跟風災相處所以這一點風災可能不算什麼因為我們很會跟大自然和平相處 |
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那既然是這樣我們必須從每一次的風災裡面去學習經驗那這次很難得這麼16年來從莫拉克到現在有些地方看到一些契機為什麼要這麼說呢因為從莫拉克到現在沒有比 |
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最近這一次的這麼嚴重所以當那一次莫拉科有一些被遺忘的部落或者是災情總是被說已經沒有莫拉科重建條例這樣的法規綁住以後很多部落是疲於奔命也就是說他們完全是求助無門我們就等一下來看一下這幾個部落的現況 |
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那在這之前我們當然提出了一些版本然後在最近會協商不過我們先看一下這些道路的狀況那這幾天我大概繞了台灣一圈 |
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也去看了一些道路的狀況在選舉期間我有曾經在我的政見發表上面一直在跟大家說希望能夠縮動政府通往原鄉的道路是希望是國道層級的其實這麼多年下來我們當然還是沒有看到甚至台東連一條快速道路都沒有 |
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八個園鄉最近是在八八 國三其實也沒有到園鄉高雄市好不容易到了旗山它要延伸也沒有到也只到了離港美濃可是看見我們每一個部落的道路尤其是主要道路通往鄉公所的尤其是我們最近看到的那馬下 桃園 茂林 |
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其實你只要到可能連災區的地方都到不了因為就是沒有路可以到所以我們希望說這是一個契機的時候我們是不是可以把原鄉的道路來做一個盤點甚至是把聯絡道路也做個盤點不是把一些道路截邊就沒事了把一些道路變成線道就沒事了然後每次再找經費就是找不到我為什麼要講這個我講到寶山我們騰芝也就是二集團那裡 |
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也是一樣你要去這次要去看這也是沒有道路可以去那我們身在屏東縣我們我甚至去了山地門鄉的德文大社那邊那個路是只到了德文這一段你看到大社是沒有辦法過去的只能徒步而且是非常的陡峭所以現在的那個民生必需品是用接送的方式來送所以已經16年過去莫拉克過去可是我們的道路 |
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或者是說我們在修建的時候還是沒有按照我之前的理想就是說希望通往原鄉的道路是國道層級因為陳水扁總統曾經說過我們要建立國與國關係他希望尊重到原住民到這樣程度我們敢配他所說的話可是我們就是做不到 |
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所以每次我們在看災的時候會覺得很心疼那土板那天我有去7月31號剛好路過很幸運的是他們一個禮拜就通行了不過他有一個訴求希望主委能夠聽到就是說 |
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圖板希望它有一個道路是能夠通到愛國浦也就是說它不是只有那一條可以往台版然後再到大溪的那條路因為曾經在很多年以前它那條這次的崩塌的地方曾經有公車掉下去過造成死傷這麼多年它又發生了我們就知道說它會一而再再而上的發生所以我們就必須要想到一個替代道路所以在地的主任有告訴我們他們的計畫的時候其實要把它聽進去把它做好 |
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阿里山鄉的169線道就是明明以前鄉公所所在地達邦它只要水一大 巨石就會掉下來永遠都是那個區塊所以也就是說我們沒有把真正的癥結點解決的話它永遠就是在那邊發生嘛就像現在的我們桃園區的明巴陸橋一樣等一下我會再提然後就是我到阿里山鄉的時候鄉長有跟我說能不能就凱米颱風那個桑陀爾跟康瑞颱風去年呢 |
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它已經核定的可是還沒有施工的能不能把它就再補一些金額因為它災區又擴大了可是又不要再重複會刊你重複會刊浪費大家的時間因為大家都在急於重建可是有些災區它的施工還沒有開始做可是核定款項已經來了 |
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所以其實這個可以事半功倍給你們行政單位去參考一下是不是做這樣的改變會更好好不好附帶一點是昨天我有去看農損原住民地區農損比較特殊很多部落族人尤其老人家他們都是住在公寮他們沒有所謂的手機也聽不到部落的廣播 |
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或許鄉公所很積極想要知道說他們其實都可以提出災損的可是他們卻不知道所以我們要怎麼樣去讓族人知道呢其實我覺得就是有的時候可能要請鄉公所做一些操作雲端手機去操作去設定我這個農損是在哪裡拍到的直接上傳就好了也不要造成我們城邦人騎摩托車騎到非常遠的山路然後說不定海航危險可是這個事情卻就是做不到所以他們 |
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還壓個日期對原住民來講常常壓日期的時候會覺得他很像這是個天大的一個所謂的一個Warning他會覺得他做不到所以其實有很多方法其實可以我們可以去體諒老人家在部落的生活情境所以在做事情比如說在 |
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提報這些農損的時候要用原住民的方法然後訓練他們用科技的方法來做這樣的話會比較簡單可以嗎明明政府就是有他有想到說要做一些比如說昨天看的是那個就是一些山芋芋頭啊可是平常我們想不到的那些農損其實這次我們農業部說其實這些都可以報他們內心非常高興可是他們都沒有聽過這樣的消息 |
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講到道路這個部分我們來看莫拉克的伊拉號就是我們國川大橋還有花了很多年卻還是沒有錄的南橫的明巴路克橋明巴路克橋這個意思布農族的話是很諷刺的它的意思是新橋然後就引申它是一個希望之橋可是它從莫拉克到現在 |
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一直都沒有好過然後他花了非常多的經費我這邊盤點喔大概從最近這幾年就花了20.3億那我一直覺得說有人甚至會開玩笑在一般人聽起來會很公務人員會聽起來很刺耳就是說是不是要從這邊去拿很多錢然後這個小事故意沒有做好所以你當政府單位聽到這樣的一個話的時候你會不會覺得很慚愧明明這個 |
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伊拉這個橋六翼那次就完工到現在是安全無虞可是明巴陸橋這麼多年了然後我們在看它造橋的一個模式的時候其實主委你非常清楚我們那邊的就是它是架高就跟水不在一起可是明巴陸橋它就是架在水旁邊它怎麼可能會好呢所以它一而再再而三的被摧毀所以在施工的方法如果就一般原住民來說 |
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這個看起來很像很簡單可是為什麼政府就是做不到就是花了這麼多錢還是零然後這次這個風災這次雨下那麼大還是 橋還是不見了我們就先談到這裡我們講到我們一層孤島這個部分當然我之前很多委員都提到了不過我這邊要提的是無人機的部分其實我們在去年有針對我們就好有做實施操作 |
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給當地的族人說原來渦輪機三分鐘五分鐘就可以到達你可能一兩天才到的地方所以這次我們霧台鄉長可以那麼勇敢的射水而過其實當然是不建議可是就是因為需要才要這麼做然後加上我們桃園是用那個流籠去送東西我說已經2025年了我們還是回到以前的那個年代的時候我是覺得我們一點都沒有進步我們要非常的慚愧 好不好 |
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然後這個上面沒有寫到是水因為我到地方還是會看到說明明我是住在好山好水的地方可是颱風來的時候就是沒有這來水然後它的理由就是說水太濁了不然就是山泉水的水管斷掉那我們是不是應該要盤點當然我們在一層古島地區我們通訊這些 |
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可能之前都有講過可是這個水的部分其實你盤點的時候其實有幾個部落特別缺水的時候他應該是要先準備幾個消防水車在旁邊備用民生用水至少你可以洗澡 可以洗衣服然後其實我這樣看是高市 梁山還有東埔這幾個部落 |
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你可以想像梁山這麼大的村莊沒有水然後他們都是去汽車旅館或是附近的旅社洗澡他們已經到現在這個時候了還是在抱怨這樣的事情群組永遠都在講他們沒有水而且他們是我們馬家鄉單一聚落最大村 |
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所以要非常的同情他們現在的處境講到這裡我們講到穆拉克的我為什麼會說是契機呢就是有幾個部落他們看到這樣的時候馬上跟我聯絡說我們能不能就趕快就進入這個所謂的重建條例因為他們看到 |
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重建條例這個名字非常的興奮是不是有一個重建委會可以幫他們解決圈村的問題尤其是滿洲的巴搖關這幾個月從六月到八月他們已經撤村六次他們已經變成很像家人因為每次一撤村就是住在一個不是一個類似像一個避難所所以他們也沒有什麼隱私可言可是我認為這不是我們應該要解決問題的方法 |
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我知道最近很像屏東縣政府有努力希望利用租用土地的方法可是要希望他們社區變成社團法人然後去用一塊土地解決他們的問題不過如果就有重建委員會或者是說把他們納入為遷村必要的一個條件的話我覺得是可以適當解決這個問題我們就你那裡來說那時候是有400多戶嘛483戶政府32億民間22億共55億可是他們目前這個 |
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分水嶺大概100戶左右所需要的經費沒有那麼多雖然當然已經過了10多年可是我相信經費應該是夠的目前四穩也是這個問題紅葉當初在漠蘭地颱風的時候他們也因為戶數太少的問題也不列入所謂的千村的一個條件裡面所以其實這個時候原理會應該要去盤點說當初被這些 |
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受災的這些民眾應該還有哪些有全台還有幾戶可以就這一次來一併解決不要一再二三的求是無門可以嗎可以時間沒有很多了那我也有去芭瑤看我是7月23號去看結果他們房間房屋都歸裂然後教會都已經下線那個地方真的已經是沒有辦法住是迫在眉睫所以你再叫他們去撤退要撤到哪裡去 |
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所以我這是他們現在內心最大的一個訴求希望院長能夠聽得進去然後我這次我去了台二十縣南橫的立道端 |
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我去看他們的一個崩塌的地方然後因為他們非常擔心他們怕變成小林村第二所以有一個很大的山崩的地點在他們的部落的上方石頭打下來砸到快到村長的家所以我去看了後來我回到台北有召集我們相關單位來研究一下後來公路局給我的那個公路局給我的圖是這個中間的他的回答是說他非屬山崩地質敏感區 |
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30521.29 |
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然後呢 地質中心給我的答案是右邊這個它是屬於淺市區所以我是覺得說中央單位是很努力可是應該要常常做一些所謂的媒合去看看你們的資料你們這樣講的時候是不是有一致性 |
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公路局認為這個地方是安全無虞的按照他的專業來看這個山崩地沒有那麼大可是族人就是會害怕可是地調給我的資料他是屬於敏感區所以我是覺得這個部分我覺得那個爭議性就很大就是你要怎麼樣去安撫我們在地族人然後你要怎麼跟在地族人解釋這個事情所以我是覺得只要你看到這樣的部分的時候尤其是比較大聚落就是只要有人住的地方這種 |
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他說從108年開始他們就開始做地質調查其實應該相關都有這些資料其實說只要一旦發生的時候應該要立即告知在地的或者是當地的人我們中央單位曾經努力過的方向給公路局施工的一個參考所以我是覺得說 |
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30587.565 |
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國家是有在努力可是我總覺得不夠然後橫向連結也不夠然後我們一直要再回到穆拉克那個年代在討論這個事情20年要過去了結果我們還是停留在原地希望把這些事情 |
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| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
30608.421 |
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講給我們院長聽 講給我們的主委聽你們能夠真正把我們主任先生聽到讓我們最後一張看一個照片也就是當時的立法委員也是現任總統到少年溪去勘查明巴陸橋這個地方的時候那個時候就是這個樣子現在比這個更慘 |
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30623.2 |
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我們要用這個照片來記取教訓然後不要是一而再再而三的執政可是卻換來的是這樣子的一個結果我希望大家都能夠繼續面對然後好好的檢討 謝謝好 謝謝盧憲英委員的質詢謝謝卓院長謝謝委員謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
30640.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
30653.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
好 我們接下來請林黛華委員質詢羅志強委員請準備好 主席有請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
院長 十一十也 匹一十也本席主張全面普發一萬元這一萬元對現在來講面對關稅衝擊的產業面對現在南部急需重建的每一個災民這是及時雨 這是救命前全面無條件的普發一萬塊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
30701.825 |
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兩個第一個總統已經核四了竟然已經同意了行政院長只有重憂 重塑 重減盡快的 趕快的 馬上的補發一萬塊因為總統同意了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
哪來的在10萬還在10月底前沒有辦法發哪來的憲法程序還沒有完備這些都可以繼續進行你的憲法程式你的憲法的程序可以做沒問題還是你可以全面普發馬上發您說要舉債他也只是不會是一個很複雜的一個程序呀 |
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但是你沒有現在全面普發一萬元的情況之下我現在的災區我相信院長你到過我高雄市我的南馬俠我的桃園我的茂林整個道路的中斷那現在你沒有在以及現在此時此刻你我在這當下路上颱風警報指爆的洋流颱風就要進來了 |
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災害的重建的腳步才剛要起步你這個時候還在告訴我們的人民好喔總統啊你已經要發一萬塊了我們慢慢等等到年底還會被發不曉得所以本席就請你救救台灣救救災民救救賴總統吧總統已經指示了也已經核准了 |
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你從優從速從簡不覺得這六個字聽起來很熟悉嗎院長你怎麼看全面普發一萬元我非常感謝我們歷任的政府將台灣的國家財政弄到現在是屬於健全的所以我們每年都會有多多少少的稅計剩餘那在今年編列預算的時候我們也朝這個方向謹守財政紀律當時我們認為錢就應該花在最需要的地方那現在我們看到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
30833.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
台風跟728的豪雨造成遍地的國人這麼大的損傷再加上大院也已經提出了對任性條例的修正案的內容三讀通過總統公告也已經生效我剛剛已經說過這個內容基本不變雖然我還要處理的是把他憲政程序讓他能夠化解但這個不會影響接下來的時間我們用最快的速度所以什麼時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
30833.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
30858.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
我們用最快的速度現在八月 所謂最快速度是什麼時候我們用最快的速度來提出一個任性特別條例的修正案內容就會把這個金額都把它補上來補上來之後我們就大院審議一通過我們馬上編特別預算你期待什麼時候可以普發如果你還經過大院我相信在我們韓院長的這個黨團協商之下一定很快 這是救命錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
30887.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
這是救命錢 我想說沒有各黨都會同意的事項所以你覺得最快是什麼時候我剛剛已經再度拜託過韓院長能夠像上週 十月底前可以嗎您說十月底以後不可能聽在人民的心裡八月了 你還告訴我的你一萬塊總統都已經要發了院長卻竟然說十月底前兩個月後沒有辦法收到然後楊柳颱風 紫豹直奔我東南 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
30888.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
30913.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
直奔我南部 直奔我高雄我希望在這個會期當中就能把它解決這個會期啊 這個會期是什麼時候8月底啊 我有沒有聽錯 再講一次所以你這個是現在你已經才是喔預算就能把它解決那我們解決之後 我們據預算就下去編列編列就下去執行所以什麼時候能夠普發完成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
您預計什麼時候普發完成你只要講一個期限我相信韓院長絕對會因你這個程序所有的不分打敗馬上都會來協商完成現在說的是法制化完成從修正案特別條例的修正到特別預算的編列我們希望這個8月的會期就能夠完成就能夠收到普發一萬塊嗎完成之後去編列預算就馬上執行 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
30943.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].text |
所以期待九月以前可以收到全面普發一萬元嗎九月以前不可能八月底才會完成法制化碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[820].end |
30971.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[820].text |
對 那沒有問題啊 即使八月底 九月一號就可以開始開議啊這個都是我們在黨團協商都可以處理的都可以特級專案來處理要主持一個行政機關 必須考慮到很多的作業程序這個是我們未來共同的經驗我們必須在這裡學習九月底前可以嗎 全面普發還是等到十月底以後你的剛才 我覺得這個如果你願意做調整你早上你說十月底以後 還不見得 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].start |
30972.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].end |
30983.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
能夠普發 全面普發您現在願意加速重優 重灌 重減全面普發一萬塊所以您說個時間吧我早上講的話說您期待什麼時候 |
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30984.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].end |
31003.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].text |
我希望在法治化完成之後我馬上編預算一個月內完成普發嗎這個我們行政機關要作業的作業要很多種的選項讓大家有戶頭的沒戶頭的發現金的領現金的各種方式都顧慮到周全我會用最快的速度 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[823].end |
31032.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[823].text |
您是一院之長啊你一聲令下一個月完成普發所有的行政部門馬上就一個月完成普發啦我今天不是以我今天是以執政黨的立委來提醒你因為我知道民生是什麼今天我們在意的是三件事情啊我們在意的是我們的這個關稅我的這個匯率的大漲在意的可能是川習會可能的一個所帶來的民生跟產業的衝擊啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].start |
31034.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].end |
31054.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[824].text |
所以今天面對的災區的重建我講坦白 我剛才講得很客氣叫做還剛在起步現在整個是滿目倉儀包括我整個山區所以當總統都已經說核准的情況之下我們怎麼可以拖 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].start |
31055.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].end |
31081.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[825].text |
我看在我民進黨的這民調下滑我看到我們賴總統這樣的陸力的帶領我們國家我怎麼忍心我民進黨在這麼樣的一個團隊當中所以從優 從速 從寬是現在所有災民的心聲是所有現在產業的心聲等一下我也會講到為什麼現在如果我的救災的部分我直接進入下一個議題 |
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31084.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].end |
31105.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[826].text |
好我先直接進到這邊好了這邊我的債務這邊農業部也就是當時農委會2018年對莫拉克風災研究報告來看我政府在莫拉克風災總投入1385億的新台幣贈災他獲得了什麼在莫拉克之後的9年後所做的研究報告他會獲得1385億我這個編列1200億 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].start |
31109.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].end |
31119.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[827].text |
包括地方政府的投入1385億獲得的是什麼1811億元以上的產值創造以及民眾807億的所得效益以及增加21 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].start |
31123.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].end |
31142.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[828].text |
18,029個工作機會也就是我擴大災區 震災重建的支出會解決災民面對生活困境我們不是說五金嗎我們不是說現在的五金扣件受傷嗎我們的這個工具機會受傷嗎今天我沒有辦法外銷因為關稅的問題 因為匯率的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].start |
31144.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].end |
31166.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[829].text |
好那今天我擴大內需在整個重建當中趕快所有營造工程不管對工對私的投入就會製造內需了再加上今天一萬塊會趕上我們是一個有溫度的政府是有靠山的政府所以今天全面補發一萬塊今天我站在執政黨立委的一個角色上 |
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31166.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].end |
31191.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[830].text |
我多麼希望讓人民可以感受到我們真的是一個有溫度有靠山的政府就在人民旁邊這樣的及時雨這樣的救命前能夠到我的災民每一戶的手上能夠讓我受受災的產業當中可以感受到這個政府是能夠在他身邊的是支持他的全面補發一萬塊九月底前完成能不能做到 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
31192.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].end |
31203.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].text |
請部長答覆一下作業的期程跟委員報告 這是兩千百萬要 甘心的威嚇 你要講人民甘心的威嚇你如果再跟他說十幾歲之前或是之後跟十幾歲的人談不成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[832].end |
31232.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[832].text |
你就說好總統已經核四了兩個月內你都做不到你怎麼我們怎麼可以下去的時候去指示好各部會你要重優重塑重檢你要馬上你的重優重塑重檢兩個月都做不到你怎麼可以要求各部會重優重塑重檢的補助馬上讓災民可以看得到收得到呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[833].end |
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好部長是2300萬的一個假設要補發現金的話那這個部分的前置的作業是一定要把它做的週明那我們在發的時候一定會用最簡便的方式讓民眾可以用最方便我想您上次 |
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6000塊的補發 您那時候有感受到可是我們之前的前置作業要非常細密一個也不能夠重複部長沒關係 你就講一個時間全民在聽我也不再質詢你這個議題我就繼續我下面的議題那這個當然要看這個要看特別預算什麼時候完成特別預算的編列以及經過立法院的同意對 所以什麼時候 |
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要看什麼時候完成特別預算所以你還是不講嗎好那你覺得這樣人民聽得下去嗎好我們就繼續吧好我們來院長您對於這次的這個丹納斯颱風整個災損整個的總體損害金額是多少農損的部分丹納斯颱風有32億 |
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那其他整體阻礙啊房屋損害的部分那無法從金額來計算我們只能從建來協助大家從各方面的協助的各種新的措施包括復原未住金包括我們的上工津貼包括我們的媒合獎勵金等等我們只能從這個部分但這個跟實際上的損害來講它還是 |
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所以您的幕僚沒給你叫做整體損害金額所以你編了561到底能不能這個符合現在所有災民以及所有相關損失你今天編了9項喔所以你這561花在哪裡呢農業設施電力系統電信系統及有線電視傳播系統自來水瓦斯及燃氣家園公共設施水利設施道路及交通環境維生復原社會復原及產業促進 |
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九項這九項表示你要花下去你有這九項有損失嗎這九項的整個的整體損失是金額多少你不清楚好那不清楚這個將來就是在561的額度裡面一在送到大院的特別預算裡面就會詳列 |
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每個項目每筆預算如何執行絕對不是不清楚院長我這邊呈現560億是不夠的你說到榮損40億好那我來我認為現在的整體損失是不小於莫拉克將近2000億 |
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算起來是2000億喔我這次的雨量這是公視報導的公共電視報導的高雄茂林八町的降雨量將近2900毫米雨量是超過莫拉克風災的我用從受災面積這次是雲加南高頻莫拉克風災受損的面積是南投高頻而受災的戶數我就以停電戶數就好 |
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丹納斯是98萬的停電戶數莫拉克風災是89萬的停電戶數我現在98年這個表格莫拉克是98年的編列1200億我就不算通膨不算物價指數就現在的560億也僅佔莫拉克災後重建總預算的46%的弱我還不算通膨不算物價指數 |
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而這次的丹納斯是遠大於莫拉克颱風喔好那如果是這樣的話本席非常擔心我要提醒院長我今天是以非常沉重的執政黨的立委來跟你講我害怕會有一個災禍你這個再補下去因為資金不足嘛所以呢你會補助戶數不足 |
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不夠面積也不足百工百業恢復期會無限延長本席都可以預估另一波災後重建的民怨爆發所以您是不是有評估要提高救災經費的上限呢 |
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我們在特別條例的草案當中名列560億希望大院來審慮的時候依照這個來計算但是我也承認那個是在一兩週以前我們訂定出來的這個特別條例的金額如果真的有時評時據而且可以印證我們真的確實有需要 |
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在審議的過程當中我們進行憲法跟預算法相關的規定來跟行政院徵詢我們可以就上限來加以調整有必要的話我們看實際的狀況好來院長我這些但是我強調這個還是需要大量的舉債好 |
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舉債也沒問題啊你明年會有超收稅額啊你再補就好了啊這都不是問題啊是你知道怎麼去周轉它下面我所講啊是我真的看到這樣的條例8條跟莫拉克條例29條我心非常的寒 |
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怎么的喊法呢我这边要问您要不要采莫拉克条例的一些真的是温暖的措施税务减免莫拉克这边有提到我对于政府自政府灾民自政府跟民间领取的各项救助金慰问金临时工作今天是免病入综合所的总额课程税所得税的这个可以吗受债户的水费电费 |
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是得與減免的這可以嗎以及災區內的土地及建築物可以減免房屋稅及地價稅這可以嗎再來這個我們莫拉克風災的條例他說我們淹水達50戶以上的以一門牌一戶每戶10萬塊可以嗎我們的這個這個我們的這個莫拉克重建條例當中也提到貸款償還期限展延而且呢這展 |
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好 謝謝林大華委員的資訊謝謝卓院長跟相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝接下來我們請羅志強委員質詢劉建國委員請準備主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢羅院長好 謝謝卓院長好其實這段時間我在看到新聞畫面 |
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然後看到很多的災民在風災之後的大雨家園泡在水裡面然後那種叫天不應叫地不應的那種苦境我自己看其實是很難過的 |
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所以我想院長自己應該也會感同身受所以災民的痛苦我想應該都要把它放在心裡我也跟院長說因為看到這些情況所以後來我有決定從我最近新書的書款裡面有把它所得的部分撥出一百萬元 |
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來救助我們中南部的這個受災的民眾那我也希望說這份心傳達給卓院長我們大家一起把心都放在災民身上然後苦民所苦能夠全力的努力的來幫助災民重建家園解決他們的問題那接下來我想要可能先延續剛剛林黛化委員的他的質詢我在底下聽的其實是非常感動 |
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你知道現在災民家園受損實質上很多的一些恢復跟重建的工作都亟待進行所以在這個時候其實當初還稅漁民普發現金的一萬元其實就是一個及時雨這一點我不知道院長認不認同 |
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目前來看他確實有這樣的一個可能性的發展但是就摘明而言我們有其他更多的多項的補助那這個是普發給全民但總是就是一個plus嘛對不對那可是剛剛我是有點遺憾啦就是說我看剛剛林黛樺委員非常努力的想要問這個院長就是這個現金發放的時程顯然9月底覺得你們做不到嘛我聽到結論是這樣對不對 |
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我是認為如果法制化的完成能夠在這個會期完成那已經是很快了院長我現在是沒有要push你只是說先確定一些因為我相信所有的民眾是很關心這個題目就是說九月底如果不能完成的話十月底可以嗎 |
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在大院通過的修正的時間是十月底所以一萬塊不會打折扣吧就是一萬塊不發現金我說過總統公告的法律他就生效了基本上除了知識產業會增加關懷弱勢會增加民生系統電力維護會增加一些修復之外其他基本不變 |
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所以謝謝卓院長就是顯然給大家安心就是看起來你們的目標要放在10月底然後普發現金1萬元是不會打折扣的10月底要請財政部能夠加快速度當然就拜託財政部再加快速度因為災民其實真的是非常辛苦 |
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接下來我再問一下關於這次防災救災的整個的過程當中有些東西可能跟卓院長來就教一下我跟你講報告因為我自己在政府工作過以前的工作其實說實在話就是當遇到天災總統坐鎮災害指揮災害應變中心的時候我是會陪同在旁邊的如果他去勘災我也是在旁邊陪同的 |
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甚至後面的重建很多的一些管考 督導事實上我也是做幕僚工作的甚至一些重建的視察 重建完成的視察有時候也會陪同總統前往所以其實我在看整個我們台灣的災害的防救其實我自己是一路看在眼裡我有一些問題可能要請教一下我們的院長 |
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這句話國軍單位跟地方政府密切合作全力執行救災工作展現出國軍戰時能作戰平時能救災的效能隨時投入防救災工作請問院長你知道這句話誰講的嗎 |
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能夠直接講到關於國軍的指揮調動都應該是總統非常好這是蔡英文前總統說的那下一句話是國軍主動救災是安定民心的重要力量那政府已經將災害防救列入國軍的中心任務平日就 |
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完成災害防救的兵力部署隨時準備救援防止災難發生或阻止災難擴大這句話又是誰講的哪一位總統講的請委員來指教就是馬英九前總統這事實上也就在馬總統任內其實他已經訂下了一些政府防救災的準則我不知道院長知不知道從那時候政府防救災準則實在一直沿用到蔡英文總統了你知道有哪些核心的防救災準則嗎 |
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這個請委員來指教防災重於救災離災優於防災料敵從寬遇敵從嚴超前部署預制兵力隨時防救這是我們對於所謂的尤其是對於也包括國軍在內的防救災的作為的一個準則 |
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事實上從馬總統到蔡總統都是秉持這些準則尤其天災時候兩位總統都經常在國軍馳援災區的時候告訴國人救災勢同作戰這句話你聽過吧這幾乎是鐵律可是我就要很遺憾的說 |
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這鐵律到賴清德總統的時候是變更了嗎還是修正了嗎還是說今天改變了嗎為什麼這次風災跟豪雨我想要問一下政府有做到這個所謂的救災勢同作戰這個所謂的準則嗎沒有 沒有改變我跟委員講一段話去年第一個颱風來的時候我在中央應變中心 |
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那時候要調動國軍資源我只有那一次第一次我打個電話請示總統因為基於體制上我跟總統報告中央應變中心現在需要國軍調度能不能調動國軍總統說他已經指示了國軍投入救災而且以後有類似情況不必再請示就直接可以指揮調動非常好謝謝院長在旁邊輔佐總統提示他國軍救災投入的重要性 |
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但是我可能還是要提醒院長在民眾的觀感裡面看起來可能好像是另外一番場景那這是可能是包括賴總統 卓院長你們可能都要去思考一下為什麼民眾會產生另外一種有落差的場景感 |
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受災戶大概很多都七八十歲高齡他沒有能力體力靠自己清理家園所以當他拜託賴總統派國軍協助把家中的壞家具廢棄物搬到外頭結果賴總統竟然說國軍不能進入民房說社區要發揮力量社區有力量社區才比較安定如果什麼事情都需要國軍國軍真的沒空比方說漢光演習或者遇到那一天真正發生時該怎麼辦 |
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我想請教卓院長你也是等於是行政院政府官員實際上我想各種救災的工作你也有參與如果你是災民你聽到這句話你的感受是什麼 |
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我想跟我們報告一下這個背景我們一直在社區推動防災自主社區也相當有成效各個縣市都有相當數目來成立了那我們也在希望說這個能夠當作一個救災最基層的單位來協助村里長協視地方政府國軍當然要協助進去我相信啦 我相信政府一定是會很努力的投入整個的災害防救的工作但我要特別提醒一件事情 |
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過去國軍我們的核心工作準則就是救災視同作戰過去國軍在災害發生時就會陪伴在災民身邊可是當總統說國軍不能進入民防然後不要什麼事都需要國軍我說實在話啦我覺得院長你可能也不方便說什麼可以體諒你但是將心比心放在當時已經覺得 |
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好像沒有已經沒有辦法去找到什麼樣的幫助然後希望政府能夠施以援手的災民這些話聽在心裡其實會是很難過的 |
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所以這顯現兩件事情我覺得院長可能要再協助總統一下第一個就是什麼第一個就是可能要讓總統更熟悉從馬總統到蔡英文總統的所謂的我們國軍救災的核心任務第二個就是說實質上政府很努力工作但是也不要讓災民今天遇到這個狀況聽到這個感覺說真的我覺得是有點委屈災民 |
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那再來 另外一個總統指示 事實上來講我們救災的工作從以前到現在沒有變過所以我們第一時間投入到災區去我相信在北門的鄉親門 |
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都非常了解尤其台南市積大水的時候我們國軍接到命令我們直接到民宅裡面去把村民撤離大概五十幾個人家撤離我想這些工作從以前到現在沒有變過了解 我覺得了解因為說真的這些我都經歷過了我對國軍是非常感佩的這個是跟無庸置疑的接下來我想請教另外一個場景我看了其實也是不忍心就是 |
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災後家已經發生81歲老人家修屋頂不幸摔下身亡相隔兩天總統到旗鼓看災的時候有災民反應房屋漏水總統說沒關係 帆布那邊有然後年長災民已經講說不敢爬上去了結果總統回應 不敢爬上去沒有 我們自己爬 |
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也許總統的意思是別的意思我在這邊其實要提醒的一件事情就是說總統進到災區的時候我覺得身邊的官員們可能都要先提點他一下 |
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你在很多的表述過程當中你要稍微去想想看如果你是災民你聽到這些話你心中作何感想這個是我覺得在這邊我也是恺切的來提供我們卓院長一個參考當然我也必須講過去其實我們的剛你也講過了其實過去我們國軍參與著救災的過程當中實際上是非常積極的沒錯 對不對非常積極的 |
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甚至以前我們的賴總統他在要求國軍的時候我還看到很多資料2011年他還是台南市長的時候南馬都颱風來勢洶洶台南的麻豆文旦東山的龍眼都來不及採收當時的賴清德市長向中央災害應變中心反映 |
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那時候其實我也在輔佐總統馬總統就指示國防部立即處理也派出國軍協助採收 |
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2012年泰利颱風來襲那國軍八軍團投入大批的兵軍機械然後去支援台南救災賴總統也說台南因為豪雨海水倒灌水淹民宅所以他請國軍協助老弱婦孺及時撤離所以當時覺得我想賴總統在當市長的時候也是非常期待國軍能對我們在各地的災民來施以援手 |
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這個心情我希望賴總統能夠繼續保持最後其實有一件事情我想要請教一下就是說總統也一再強調這次的災害非常罕見風災導致已經有4萬戶的屋頂被刮走光台南就有17個行政區大概有3萬多戶行政院已經決定要發放污損的衛助金了 |
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但是他是依照損害面積發放對不對最高是10萬元可是我其實最近又有到中南部走那又有一些農民朋友說農損加上污損其實損失非常的慘重那也需要說今天 |
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更多的資金來應急他有提一個建議我覺得還不錯我想提供院長來做參考他說過去新冠疫情時候農業部他除了對農作物及農業設施提供貸款免息之外他依照當時特別條例的授權提供額外的農家綜合貸款一年免息的紓困 |
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讓農漁民用於家計消費所需的一些經費有些資金需求的農漁民他額度不受原紓困舊貸款餘額限制可以再申請一次最多40萬元的紓困貸款 |
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但這一次的農業部我看到提出的貸款展延免息措施好像不像疫情時對於農家綜合貸款提供額外的貸款跟免息額度這個貸款的一個狀況那這貸款我覺得可以來去讓受災的農漁民一方面用於家計所需當然也有包括說今天他有一些損害的一個復原那現在有了特別條例匡列了560億元的特別預算對不對 |
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所以有法源有資金那我是不是能夠拜託我們院長請農業部可不可以研議一下能不能比照上次疫情的做法提供類似的農家綜合貸款的額外貸款以及免息額度能夠讓有需要的受災農漁民給他更充裕的資金來用於房屋的修繕我不知道院長可不可以幫我把這個跟請農業部來研究最好來做到 |
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謝謝委員 我們在制定特別條例時候就請各部會就它業管業務所需要的經費做一個盤點那現在這個部分我們回去請農業部能夠把它考量是否已經納入或者是做什麼樣其他的編制在未來的特別預算裡面那看能不能容得下來 |
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非常謝謝院長就可能再拜託農業部如果可以方便的話就把相關的狀況能不能給我一些書面的資料後續怎麼做讓我們辦公室這邊也可以跟農民朋友來回應所以以上還是拜託因為颱風就要來了請院長繼續加油謝謝謝謝委員謝謝羅志強委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝 |
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我們接下來請今天口頭質詢最後一位劉建國委員請質詢好謝謝主席有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢劉院長好謝謝辛苦了院長你才辛苦 |
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陽有颱風又來了雲林地方政府已經二級開設在下午兩點左右的時候我想這個穿新台看起來還蠻嚴重的感覺當然我們還是希望損害降到最低也希望中南部的災情 |
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不要在水上加霜持續的擴大但是我們是衷心的這樣希望但是有時候天有不測之風雲我在這邊可以是不是可以具體跟院長建議今天針對這個特別條例當然是針對丹奈斯還有這個0728的豪雨是不是要一併考量到洋流可能這兩天就會造成了 |
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嚴重的這個傷害的時候一併去做這樣的一個思考折承相關單位是不是把這樣的內容換尾然後把它納入在這個特別條例的草案裡面可以嗎 |
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我基本上不反對因為我們在制定條例的時候就是說這個條例是丹拉斯颱風以及728豪雨隨後幾天所發生的那現在又來一個颱風在大院審查的過程當中認為如果我們有發生災害啦認為需要再把他納進來我想兩院再來做協商我想我們願意朝這個方式總之用最快的速度把需要的一些 |
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對災損的損害對民眾的照顧趕快把它弄出來這個是最快的速度好 謝謝院長的回覆因為總是擔心所以就未雨綢繆第二件事情是這樣要跟院長做一個討論因為面對這樣的極端氣候我想我也特別感謝院長在這個不到一年時間到了雲林總共前前後後三趟第一次是在去年的開美颱風之後第二次是在這個今年的 |
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當然是颱風來之前那最後一次 最近的最後一次就是這個豪雨的當下院長都來到雲林不到一年來到三次可見院長對整個雲林治水這樣的一個重視跟支持那我想雲林縣政府自己也公告就是說第八批次的前瞻治水經會加上災後復建然後再加上這個應急工程 |
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應該高達有60多億要給雲縣政府來做相關的治水的一些工程那在今年7月29號的時候 院長到了雲縣水林的新街這個排水 抽水站那個附近應該院長可以看到這個圖 照片 還有相關的簡報院長可以再回顧一下這個圖應該四層看過嘛 這個簡報檔 |
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最主要還是在講說因應極端氣候請持續挹注經費增加排水出外口 抽水量能如鳥松大排 千山大排 陽川大排等抽水站這個基本上當天水利署長的簡報裡面就已經有透過麥空說明已經核定了這是其一其二抽水量抽水量黃色的字請院長過目一下抽水量能要擴大 |
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那我們就知道這個事情就必須趕快趕快增設抽水站那總經費多少6500萬我們給了幾十億50億以上60億以上但是抽水站只佔了這幾十億的幾分之幾也就是6500萬還在當下的時候到底經費有沒有合沒有合還在這邊 |
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我也不曉得啦當天的情況院長都在現場都非常清楚那總是河了那即便像這樣的經費如果假設沒有進藻河那我們明明知道這樣一個不對稱的治水方式趕快來設這個抽水站增加抽水的量能降低淹水的風險其實中央經濟部水利署應該是可以跟地方政府趕快坐下來溝通 |
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有的你能做 你能趕快做嘛 會在中央給你支持嘛而且你第八 第四 再慢一點 但是前陣子有相關的一些經費也都持續的在核定 在支持嘛那佔整體的這個經費才多少 為什麼這6500萬沒有辦法還要經過一年 到現在還沒有花包 |
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經過一年謝謝委員提醒我們之前前幾天去過之後關了幾個大牌的抽水說是那個錢滯洪池的擴大等等我都只是經濟部水利署要嘛就放在這次的特別風災的特別條例當中將來特別預算要嘛就如果可以緩一下就放在明年以後的四年一千億的 |
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縣管河川的改善計畫這一定要把它納進去的這個已經合訂了這是去年的楷米颱風發生之後檢討出來的然後需要來做這相關的設施建置那我想說今天 |
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今天試射搓水站它並不是一個高技術的施工方式只要地點沒有土地的問題就像新街那個滯洪池它快要擴增可能有牽涉到土地的徵收我想那個可能有時間上的一些問題的一些考量還是一些狀況會發生這個我們都能夠理解但是如果說在出外口的地方在大排出外口的地方去設這個搓水站基本上如果沒有用地的問題而且經費也不是非常之大 |
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這個應該是可以趕快去做處理的嗎我請經濟部要求水利署計劃沒問題經會如何來編定趕快跟委員做一個很清楚的答覆這個已經有編定了也已經核定給地方政府了這是地方政府必須要去做的我請水利署馬上確定答案告訴委員他第二張的簡報也是那天院長有看到的你看這個鳥松溯水站堤外排水橄欖公尺約1200萬 |
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一千兩百萬又佔了整個中央合併給予先生的預算才多少錢但是卡在什麼原因水利署長當下也有做一個報告他在高灘地要做這個排水他覺得用相反的方式是不太對的啦他跟地方政府在做這樣的溝通但地方政府有時候有時候如果不聽還是考慮了很久 |
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造成這個地方沒有辦法趕快去把這樣的一個排水引流做好那又淹水的時候這個責任規則 歸咎於誰這是其二 其三 你再看這是行政工工程委員會的一個發函給運縣政府113年度7月的楷米颱風針對林內平頂崩塌處崩塌處要去做整個這個整治的工程 |
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然後前前後後的公文可以看這黃色的標誌考量所提非屬災害擴大範疇且原規劃之基本設計內容及工法應與調整應與調整再來這是公共工程委員會給地方政府的意見再來 |
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就審查意見 核實編列經費 且避免因行政程序延長審議期程最後 後續經貴府多次提報為水保署均退請貴府修正後再送 能迄今能謂獲至共識去年的開美颱風 到現在 |
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最終還是合了那可能還是依照公共工程委會給的意見包含經會 進展委已經合但是地方政府有意見所以就一來一往 一來一往又一年了這三件事情我是要提醒院長萬一在這個地方災害持續擴大危及到人民的生命產產健康的時候這個責任歸屬屬於誰 |
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有這樣的狀況 我舉這三個例子給院長做參考不要在這裡推卸任何的責任如果水利署或工程會認為這個公法是值得我們堅持的說服地方政府我們就去執行了對 但是遲遲就已經拖了一年了拖了一年不遲遲啊一下子我們遇到丹納斯一下子又遇到這個洋流颱風如果造成更大的傷害 更大的損害的時候責任歸屬是誰 |
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我請院長重視這個事情啦 重視這個事情凡是中央地方充分合作這是必要的那這一件事情如果經過一年的還沒有辦法去執行的話我現在是希望工程會或水利署依照我們的工法說服地方政府 該執行就執行報告委員 剛才你說之前的這兩個地方那個工廠是管護的啦 是啊管護的 不是水利署的 |
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我知道 我剛才說的一句話就是我們補償人啊我們補償人之後就對了他不想叫水利署建業的公司去做嘛所以到現在還沒發報嘛還發生災害的時候這個責任要算什麼嘛所以跟委員報告這個部分我也是要跟地方政府好好溝通一下 |
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所以那天議長出席以後去選舉的時候 我不知道你怎麼說中央跟地方去坐下去嘛速度比較密切嘛 大家坐下去好好說嘛但是如果是說 我們就決定給他啊我們也覺得他的想法是有問題的我們也提出意見 他不想照這些意見去施工 我們也會有意見啊到時候這個工廠因為這樣低端低端以後 遇到擁有颱風來的時候 還造成比較大的傷害這個政見的規則 要怎麼算啊 |
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謝謝委員 委員的指教我們可以這樣做我請院長 請部長 這個可能會要很清楚的有正式公務答覆我們像這樣的事情 我舉三個例子喔不是只有經濟部 水利署還有包含公務工程委員會 還有農業部喔 |
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有牽涉到這個狀況的情況之下這個責任到底歸咎於誰請院長跟部長可能要慎重這個事情這是其一嘛其二在去年開明台風之後也就是當年度的7月29號院長可以看到這個圖表字比較小啦但是院長應該可以看到那個台一線跟鐵路橋 |
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院長就是站在鐵路橋的下游大湖口七小的橋上106年你看整個大湖口七小的淹水它是以色塊整個流域幾乎都是很嚴重的淹水狀況但是到院長113年7月29號 |
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到這個地方去了解的情況之下它就是這一個縮小這個範圍就是大湖口溪橋的上游跟下游處整整這個色塊裡面是一延的地方那院長後來才是也積極的支持做這個相關的支持所以雙邊的體穩加高把保護標準再重新做盤算然後體穩加高之後你院長可以看到今年的728的豪雨 |
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那個澀塊完全不見了所以我感謝院長但是反而這地方不淹水的下游處不到一公里處有一個仁辰橋我們是站在大湖湖口溪橋上下游處有一個仁辰橋那個仁辰橋在豪雨來的時候尼西歐巴塔來的時候造成靠近這個橋附近的市區董南市區淹了三四百戶 |
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我有到現場看一看就覺得這不像淹水不像大湖口溪因為液體水位滿過堤防造成那個地方去淹水因為它的人口開持續的在冒泡冒水所以是屬於倒灌最終最終水域署也查出來了這也有相關的新聞報導院長可以參考一下斗蘭淹水真相大白水域署表示下水到沒裝這物沒裝什麼就是 |
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防止倒灌的自動水門還是逆止滑所以他的下水道被倒灌進去那下水道要裝這一個自動水門還有逆止滑是誰的責任是地方政府的責任所以議署和第五分署也沒有去責怪這個地方政府那地方政府第一個時間就說就是你們陽管河川大霍溪的水淹到我們這個地方來 |
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在那邊噴口水毫無意義把原因找出來那總算找到了吧就是這個樣子嘛也就是說去年主任長到大戶口溪橋的時候這個地方一樣有淹水那今年又淹了但是大戶口溪橋周遭沒有淹水結果這個大戶口溪橋的道觀要做淹水調查 |
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李英啊 李英是菸在他們市區應該是地方政府的權限他要去做菸水調查反而是經濟部水利署第五分署去做菸水調查才查出說這個仁城橋下既然沒有設自動水門導致河川暴漲大吳國溪小的溪水倒灌到他們下水道原地找出來之後 零七二爆到現在幾天了 |
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這一個水門到現在一樣沒有失色楊宇賀來了在化身淹水則論歸屬是誰 |
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委員我希望如果要解決這個問題那委員能不能扮演一個中間的橋樑趕快把地方政府跟我們中央水利單位再把它媒合在一起讓它進行討論地方該做可以做或者需要協助做的中央一定來協助趕快把這件事情完成才不會我們做了一段下一段又開始積水淹水讓我們所做的工程都徒勞無功因為我時間快到了所以那天院長在選的時候特別講說未來整個整治就是 |
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一個重新盤點然後把整個系統必須要很清楚但是在系統要盤整清楚之前他的責任他的歸屬應該要也非常清楚不然會發生這種事情不管你先核定了沒辦法施工直接跟地方政府再加強要求我們來跟地方政府來努力來做這方面的協商我們都不希望再淹水但是他確實有在改善在進步當中但是有些系統 |
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好 謝謝劉建國委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長的備詢 謝謝報議會登記第22位黃建斌委員質詢書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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我們抱怨會本日排定質詢的委員均已質詢完畢我們現在做以下決定一 將各委員發言記錄及書面質詢函送行政院請就未答覆部分予以書面答覆二 |
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已提出之書面質詢尚未登在公報者一律補刊另外依照黨團共識下次議院會我們不再進行國事論壇以及不再處理臨時提案 |
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本院會今天在散會之前要做以下說明今天院會的議程是行政院應本院的要求來本院進行專案報告基於立法院行政院互相尊重的憲政原理行政院院長及相關部會首長既已經應邀列席本院院會備詢為表示尊重 |
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再一次要拜托各党团促请所属的委员踊跃出席院会以来了解行政院针对专案报告之施政情形用以监督及协助政府施政保障人民的权益最后要再一次感谢卓院长以及相关部会首长今天列席院会的答询在最后院会毅然坚持到最后的我们王毓民委员 |
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劉淑冰委員非常非常感謝各位委員的參與本次院會進行到此為止現在散會 |