| IVOD_ID |
16856 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16856 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025080524 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-07T13:36:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-07T14:28:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:51:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-08-07T14:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，有鑑於我國詐騙橫行，根據內政部刑事警察局之統計，2024年詐騙財損高達502億元，詐騙案件高達122,805件，平均每天發生336件，自賴清德總統、卓榮泰院長就任以來，我國「詐騙之島」的惡名依舊，詐騙猖獗的情況並無好轉，因而造成許多無辜民眾受害，甚至於家破人亡。行政院雖已設立打詐專責機構，並投入大量預算進行宣導，然而，實際效果卻極為有限，詐騙受害金額仍居高不下；相關單位投入高額預算製作防詐宣導影片，也未見其成效，僅淪為消化預算之用。打擊詐騙不是設立更多辦公室，或大官擺拍、喊口號就能有所成效，需要政府在制度及政策上進行根本性改革，解決目前監管存在漏洞與執法不力之情形，方能找回民眾對政府的信任，消除台灣「詐騙之島」的烙印。爰提案建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就『新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:36:04 - 14:28:00 |
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那個現在2點01分那個議事同仁聯絡一下中國國民黨黨團確認他們會不會派代表來王委員會來是不是好那我們再稍微等一下 |
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好謝謝那個三個黨團的代表都已經到了那我們現在開始進行今天協商的主題是本院台灣民眾黨黨團提案建請院會做成決議邀請行政院院長率同相關部會首長就新世代打擊詐欺策略行動綱領2.0執行成效進行專案報告並備執行 |
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本案經提本院第十一屆第三會期第十九次會議討論決議交付黨團協商並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商因此我們在今天這次的會議來進行協商那現在先介紹在場的委員及行政機關列席的代表有 |
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民主進步黨的陳培宇委員郭力勤委員以及臺灣民眾黨林國成委員還有中國國民黨的王宏威委員那我們接下來也謝謝今天行政機關的代表 |
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此年執官行政院的代表有副秘書長李國新打詐指揮中心的執行秘書黃國思以及內政部警政署刑事檢察局副局長陳士煌金融監督管理委員會銀行局的局長童振昌政企局的局長張振山速發部數位產業署的副署長黃亞平 |
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那以及法務部檢察司的副司長簡美惠那還有國家通信傳播委員會基礎建設處的檢任記者陳俊安等那其他在場列席的官員沒有介紹到請見諒那我們現在先請提案的黨團台灣民眾黨的黨團林國成林委員來說明 |
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好 謝謝主席各位官員各位我們三黨的同仁我想今天主要台灣民眾黨召集這些這個議案第一個我要強調沒有政治性沒有任何有政治意味所以我希望今天針對這個主題我們大家非常冷靜的來探討我們大家都知道詐騙橫行越打越詐 |
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1797.751 |
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立法院該給的預算也給了該幫忙修的華也修了可是看到台中一家五口這種詐騙、手害走上結路讓台灣人民看在眼裡痛在心裡 |
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1822.646 |
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所以台灣世界都認為我們是詐騙之島都說實在的台灣民眾黨非常不服氣這個不但是贏效國際難道民進黨九年來的執政要用這種無動於衷的態度就不要負責任嗎 |
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所以不用來國會報告來說明清楚嗎這是我們主要提案的一個宗旨台灣民眾黨提這些只要求行政院長到立法院來報告這些專案報告真的 我很納悶有這麼困難嗎 |
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1871.34 |
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所以本黨認為行政院長不能迴避責任打詐要提升到國安的層次才是一個真正的政策行政院長要親自去督導把這個打詐的工作做得更落實我一再強調預算該給的給了 |
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修連法令配合我們也修的可是為什麼會越打越炸這是一個台灣之痛所以我還是要呼籲行政院 |
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1915.521 |
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尊重憲華體制尊重國會盡快到國會來做專案報告把問題找出來如何國會來支持行政院長大迫大力的把這個打詐的事情做得更落實這是台灣民眾黨提這個案最主要的目的所以以上跟各位來做報告跟說明 |
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1916.978 |
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1941.499 |
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好謝謝林國成委員那不曉得在場其他的委員誰要先發言好我們現在請民主進步黨黨團陳佩玉陳委員好謝謝主席那也謝謝民眾黨團提案的說明關於打炸的難題這件事情或者是全台灣人共同被打炸這件事情感到生活的困擾我們完全認同林委員所說的這確實是全國人民的困擾 |
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1942.159 |
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1961.274 |
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但是我要說在您剛剛說的修法後的到位或者是相關預算的到位確實可以看到行政院其實有非常積極在推進我想您剛剛所說的這些指控說好像都沒有推進喔都沒有作為這個部分我覺得還是要予以澄清但是我們尊重林委員在這邊的提案那所以針對這個打炸 |
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1963.135 |
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1977.903 |
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要積極的有所作為行政院必須要用法規範的工具用預算用政策去讓人民有感這件事情我們完全認同我們也希望可以阻絕掉更多的打仗但是我有一個疑問還是想要提出來跟大家討論第一個目前為止 |
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1981.265 |
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2001.696 |
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幾次的民眾黨團的提案都是希望行政院長到立法院來進行專案報告可是我們想問的是如果回到立法院的組織規範裡面來看其實我們有委員會可以做很多的事情我想跟大家報告現在我手上整理出的資料第十一屆光是我們這一屆開始就有七次 |
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2004.497 |
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的專案報告在委員會裡頭都是跟打炸有關我要再一次強調專案報告都跟打炸有關目前就有了七次甚至還有了一次的考察是吳宗憲召委在司法法制所排的也就是說在每一個委員會裡面只要跟打炸議題有關的不管是財政 |
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2045.701 |
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交通司法内政每一个委员会的委员或者是召委都可以表达关心然后邀请各个部会就各个部会该做的事情做的好的做不好的出席专案报告并被质询 |
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2047.122 |
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2067.723 |
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然后让立法委员把自己所收集到的民意所感受到基层人民的困境反映给各个部会这件事情在我们这一届当中不管那个赵伟是在野党的委员是执政党的委员从来没有人松懈我想跟大家说113年3月25号财政委员会罗委员 |
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2068.624 |
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2085.26 |
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再来13年6月财政委员会郭委员郭国文委员再来13年10月交通鲁明哲委员司法吴宗宪委员司法吴宗宪内政张宏禄司法吴宗宪司法吴宗宪也就是说所有有相关的这些专案报告 |
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2107.538 |
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应该很充分可以让所有关心这个议题的委员表达关心反映民意确认行政院的进度这个是关于打诈的部分回应您今天的主题所以我要说在这件事情上行政院不是没有进度不是没有动作接下来看到底让院长第一时间 |
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好像不用经过委员会就直接来做院会报告这件事情真的合理吗我们来看一到现在到目前为止我们是第11届第三会期在目前为止第11届光是我手上就有这么多 |
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都是由在野黨要求院長必須直接到院會來進行專案報告如果我剛剛說的委員會有發聲功能不管是在委員會裡面的質詢或者是在各個委員的辦公室所開的協調會各個委員辦公室所舉行的公聽會座談會裡面其實都已經可以反映了我不知道為什麼還要跳過委員會要叫院長直接來做一個專案報告我還念給林委員聽 |
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光是就這一屆的這個會期就好我要強調是第三會期國民黨團就有一次國民黨團民眾黨團各式各樣的主題都要直接叫院長到立法院院會裡面來做專案報告那我想問林委員你把委員會的功能放在哪裡難道你是想要架空委員會嗎或是你是想要否認否定 |
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我剛剛所舉的這些例子委員會裡面所開的專案報告委員會裡面所安排的考察都沒有意義都沒有功能都沒有辦法發揮實質監督的功能跟效用了嗎如果是這樣你要否認委員會那是不是以後都到院會來解決難道這就是你們的企圖心嗎甚至我也要提出 |
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幾次民眾黨團所主辦召開的協商裡面甚至認為黨團的協商如果沒有辦法有共識我們沒有辦法同意你們甚至還覺得可以直接叫院會表決不用經過院長協商這是另外一個荒謬的地方所以我要再次跟您回覆 |
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不管是在主題上您所說的我認為我們的委員會在這一屆每一個在野黨的委員執政黨的委員都努力的發揮自己的功能安排相關專報安排相關考察讓相關部會我要講喔是相關部會不管是你認為的司法院法務部內政部內政部警政署移民署訴發部勞動部大家通通都被立法院叫來沒有人躲得掉 |
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還有專報這件事情請院長到院會來做專報想要架空委員會這件事情甚至我要說會不會今天的黨團協商沒有共識等到禮拜五你們馬上又要送院會處理相關議程甚至不願經過院長協商 |
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2260.024 |
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上一次上個禮拜五在院長協商室就是發生這樣的事情民眾黨團積極的主張你們認為黨團協商後就可以直接處理不用經過院長協商所以主席我要在這裡我要鄭重的提出抗議同時我也提出要求我們希望盤點 |
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2290.232 |
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目前为止所有民众党团国民党团要求的院长专报在还没有进行处理之前是不是可以请韩国瑜院长一并讨论主持到底要院长到院会来做几次专题报告针对哪些主题不然如果按照你们这个排法所有委员会是不是就不用运作了 |
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2305.777 |
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通通叫院長來做院會專題報告就好了所以我也要要求韓國瑜院長要公開的進行回應到底對於行政院院長到立法院來做專題報告這件事情在野黨團到底希望針對哪些主題合併起來討論或者是綜合成幾次我認為這樣對於議題的推進才有實質的幫助以上謝謝主席 |
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2316.926 |
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2337.048 |
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好謝謝陳佩瑜委員陳佩瑜委員代表民主進步黨表達實質內容的意見我想大家都聽到了我也沒有其他的意見那不過跟協商有關相關議事規則的處理那也特別利用這個機會跟大家報告一下第一個 |
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民主進步黨黨團希望要求韓國瑜院長協商那就請民主進步黨黨團對韓國瑜院長發出通知跟請求這個不是我可以越主帶跑的事情那第二個立法院的議事規則相關的議事規則跟議事成立非常的清楚 |
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2382.438 |
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委員會協商結束了以後本來就可以依照議事規則來處理從蘇嘉全院長那個時候開始奠定到今天規矩都沒有改變提到上個禮拜五我簡單提上個禮拜五我們所表決的第一案有關於台灣民眾黨黨團要求通過一個組決議要求中央政府把苛扣地方政府的一般補助款發還的那個組決議也沒有經過韓國瑜的協商 |
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2413.423 |
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沒有經過韓國瑜的協商但我們在負責召集黨團黨團協商經過了以後本來就可以按照議事規則來處理那這件事情我們已經跟院長以及秘書長這邊再三確認過了那相關的議事成立非常的多那我想就院長跟秘書長全線成績的部分再由院長跟秘書長他們自己來加以回覆就好了 |
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第三個部分就是說委員會裡面所進行的報告跟院會所進行的報告這兩個層次完全不同的報告我相信這對立法院裡面議事的運作有基本認識的人應該都不會產生這樣子的混淆那我想我就議事的部分先說明到這個地方 |
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那我們第一輪是接下來中衛國民黨黨團的代表我們請王委員發言好 謝謝主席還有我們各黨派代表以及今天出席的官員今天主要是針對對於新世代打炸策略行動綱理2.0的執行的成效希望由我們行政院長到立法院來做專案報告 |
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2467.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2484.516 |
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我想就是有关于诈骗其实是台湾人民普通的痛尤其最近几个社会事件其实让很多人心里感触都很深虽然我们在预算的部分以今年来讲我们今年打仗预算74亿 |
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| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2511.577 |
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然後我們在去年的時候呢打架新的司法也已經上路可是從實際的數字上來看剛才林國成委員也有在說明那現在這個不管是打架的件數還有打架的金額其實都是在飆升的狀態那我們自己身為區域立委幾乎呢三不五時就是一直有相關的陳情 |
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2513.118 |
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2529.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
而且呢 針對就是報案了以後也沒有用 石沉大海那最近還在台中發生了一家五口因為被詐騙 然後一家五口輕生這個其實很多人都看了非常非常不忍覺得台灣為什麼詐騙如此的猖獗 |
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2532.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2553.841 |
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所以我覺得就是行政院長在此時此刻尤其今年上半年這樣我們整個的被詐騙金額又創下新高大家可能沒有辦法想像就是一個月大概被詐騙金額將近百億之多所以 |
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2555.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2573.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
讓院長來做立法院報告其實也可以讓院長來說明就是我們的預算怎麼執行那麼在打造新司法上路之後是不是還有些摯愛難行的地方我們在相關的修法的部分是不是應該在於補強我覺得這都是很理所當然而且是國人普遍關心的 |
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2579.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2605.93 |
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但是我剛才有點遺憾就說民進黨團一方面他不否認現在打仗是就是詐騙是全台灣人民的痛而且民怨極深可是另外一方面又混淆了這個焦點就是說好像讓院長來立法院做專案報告就是架空委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2626.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
我不懂這到底是什麼樣的邏輯死亡我們過去立法院邀請行政院做院長做專案報告這個完全不是這次才空前的啊所以如果行政院長來 |
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來立法院來做專案報告就是架空委員會的話那如果我也可以用邏輯死亡的方式去回應民進黨團難道你們要弱化我們大會的功能嗎弱化院會的功能嗎所以我覺得今天我們能不能回歸舊事論事來談這件事情 |
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我們打架重不重要我們詐騙嚴不嚴重除非民進黨談說沒有現在我們這個執行好棒棒我們詐騙的金額降低了我們詐騙的件數也都減少了執行起來都很好為什麼還要來做專案報告如果你們也承認也不能否認現在的詐騙就是猖獗啊那我請問一下為什麼要百般阻撓 |
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卓榮泰院長來立法院做報告我不曉得啦就說一直在阻撓到底是卓榮泰院長到底是有多怕多不敢來立法院來做報告 |
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因為在之前包含我們今天非常關心的我們今天的關稅稅率今天正式的上路那之前不是我們也針對台美的貿易關稅上路希望卓院長能夠來做報告民進黨團也要擋 |
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這麼重要的事情也要擋 詐騙也要擋也不能來做報告然後連民進黨委員郭國文自己提案在最近南部縣市這麼嚴重的水災災後重建也希望行政院來做專案報告 |
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結果呢又在莫名其妙的壓力之下非常神奇的自己又撤案了所以我不瞭解啦那個卓院長是到底有多麼要羞於見人不敢到立法院來做報告我不懂欸 |
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我們水災的災後重建不重要嗎這個不應該來做報告嗎為什麼自己的委員而且是台南的區域委員還一再救災也很辛苦啦然後提案還不敢趕快測案好那我們今天貿易關稅這麼重要的事情也不敢來做報告然後我們今天講到詐騙 |
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也不敢也不願意來做報告我真不懂啊我真不懂啊那我們我們這個難道我們院長 |
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很羞於來跟立法委員來做說明嗎這麼羞於見人嗎所以我特別要講就是說確實我們現在在立法院裡面有好幾個案子確實都希望院長來做專案報告可是我剛才上述所講的請問哪一個不應該跟人民報告呢哪一項不應該跟人民報告呢 |
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人民想要聽一下院長來做報告這麼困難嗎還要你們這個民進黨團用各種怪裡怪氣的理由嗎所以在這邊我表達國民黨團的立場第一個我們也認為詐騙極為嚴重已經嚴重到現在不是詐騙根本已經到磨柴害命了到磨柴害命其實我剛剛講的一家五口這樣的 |
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那個自殺死亡後來也有好多好多也是因為被詐騙之後然後就身亡的真的讓大家非常痛心已經到謀財害命的程度那第二點基於人民所關心的事情立法委員本於職責本來就應該有權利 |
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而且行政院也有這樣的義務到立法院來做專案報告所以我們在今天的協商國民黨團表達兩個立場第一個我們認為詐騙確實非常嚴重第二個我們也認為行政院長卓榮泰院長應該率相關的部會的首長到立法院來做專案報告以上謝謝 |
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謝謝王航輝委員我們第一輪依照台灣民眾黨、民主進步黨、中國國民黨三個黨團的代表都已經完成了第一輪的發言我們在進行第二輪發言之前是不是先讓行政院表示一下他們的看法行政院表示看法,我們再繼續讓黨團進行第二輪的發言 |
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好我們現在是不是先請行政院代表是要有哪一位發言副秘書長嗎因為今天的主題就是針對打詐的事情希望邀請卓榮泰院長率相關的部會首長來立法院報告行政院的立場是第一個願不願意來第二個在時間上面你們怎麼配合會比較好來有請副秘書長 |
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跟各位報告那本次的協商議題是請本院院長率同相關部會的首長就新世代打擊詐欺的策略行動綱領2.0的執行成效那進行專案報告並備詢 |
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那我們考量說以往在總質詢或者總預算的詢答或者委員會開會的時候那其實委員都會監督行政團隊打詐的相關事宜所以我們建議是可以原這種例用這種方式來辦理 |
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謝謝不好意思,我跟行政院的副秘書長報告一下我相信不管是您本人,或是卓榮泰院長本人應該都很清楚因為會總諮詢預算的諮詢 |
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除了從諮詢跟預算的諮詢之外邀請行政院長就一個特定的主題來立法院進行專案報告這個是本院行之有年一直都在進行的事情所以我只想要再度確認一下因為我不要 |
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造成任何的誤會也就是行政院的立場是針對打炸的這樣一個專題行政院院長左鴻燙他認為沒有必要來進行專案報告有問題等到審預算的時候再來問就好了請問行政院的立場是這樣子嗎 |
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各位報告我們的立場是說在以往各個場合裡面的時候呢針對這個議題的話呢都有相同的關切所以我們建議可以原這種方式來處理謝謝 |
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OK 那我想大家聽得很清楚啦就是一言以蔽之行政院院長卓榮瀚他基本上是認為就打詐的這個議題他認為其他的機會再問他就好了邀請他到本院來進行專案報告並備諮詢那行政院採取的是一個否定的立場這個我想三個黨團的代表 |
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我這樣子歸納行政院所講的話應該不會來造成一些誤會因為我們現在三個黨團也好行政院也好意見顯然不一致今天協商顯然不會有任何的共識我徵詢一下各個黨團你們希望進行第二輪的發言還是我們就把這個協商既然大家立場也都蠻清楚的沒有共識就把它結束掉 |
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大家是希望繼續講話呢 還是要進行第二輪發言OK嘛 還沒有公示以前我這裡等一下等一下 林國成委員請你把麥克風切掉那個不好意思 我有在主持啦 |
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因為我基本上還是尊重各個黨團的意見因為我相信這個主題大家要繼續在這邊繼續講下去再講兩個小時也絕對不成問題由於本日的協商沒有辦法取得共識我們後續就依照立法院職權行使法相關的規定送院會處理今天的協商到此結束 謝謝 |
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這兩回事嘛最高權力機構是行政院長委員會規定委員會什麼都不懂 |