| IVOD_ID |
168559 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168559 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-15T10:41:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-15T11:02:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:21:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ec77822e2e6eae3730c0b3956d63148cf00c58ee6be6f7af584cb79d4e23178a50e264968218f985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
翁曉玲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:41:02 - 11:02:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請監察院秘書長列席說明立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
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我們有請秘書長我們請監察院黃秘書長 |
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黃秘書長好因為您先接任監察院的秘書長這份工作當然是不容易的不過今天因為是你們等於是您擔任秘書長然後第一次到監察院 |
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第一次到立法院來做立法計畫的報告那本席在這裡呢我想給監察院一些建議事實上因為本席現在擔任立法委員最近兩年也經過這個是第五個會期了但是我每個會期在看你們監察院的立法計畫坦白說大概就是薄薄的一千字左右而且每個會期的立法計畫都是一樣的幾乎內容是一樣的 |
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那固然監察院自己主管的法規有限譬如說你們希望能夠檢討的陽光四法 |
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這個不是屬於監察院的主管這個法律還有就是你們希望能夠這個通過的監察法的部分的條文修正草案那這個部分當然現在是存在立法院這裡喔那麼可是本席認為說你們是不是之後可以在你們的立法計畫裡面也可以稍微報告或者說明你們監察院每一個年度 |
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的這個大概你們事實上立法監察委員職權行使的狀況好的好的為什麼我要這麼說呢剛剛其實前面的 |
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委員們也有提到就是我們看一下就是這一屆的監察委員職權行使的統計因為馬上這一屆的監察委員他們在7月31號任期屆滿所以我們如果回顧他們這5年多來的行使 |
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監察權也就是他們辦案的一些狀況那這個部分我認為其實蠻重要是應該要讓我們的民眾知道我們現在監察委員的他的整個工作他的這個任務的執行的狀況那麼這個部分因為你們沒有寫在 |
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你們的立法計畫裡面所以本席也有特別去看剛剛前面副秘書長也有說了就是還有秘書長這裡有講你們一直到今年的二月大概收受人民的書狀是將近八萬五千件左右那實際上派查的案件只有1683件 |
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事實上派查率不到2%不到2%也就是說這5年多來將近6年的時間你們現在預估可能到7月底這一屆監察委員任期屆滿可能會突破9萬件或是10萬件可是看看你們的整個案件的派查率是非常的低等於是你們這6年多來可能最多就是處理大概 |
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1700件左右的案子那麼其他的案子不是不處理或者是說不受理或者是可能就是用其他的方式去做那我想針對這樣子一個情況老百姓是失望的因為大家這個陳情的案件很多可是卻看到監察院沒有積極的處理 |
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就這個部分來說是不是秘書長可以回應跟文回報那關於數字的部分我是不是請我們的副秘書長因為他長期在監察院可以比較這幾屆的狀況跟你先說明那後續的我在以政策上面怎麼樣的問題我想剛剛其實王副秘書長其實也有說了就是你們認為說跟其他國家相比起來 |
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不算是太差這樣子的一個辦案的效率不算太糟可是呢本期要談的是說我們現在監察委員有29位扣除院長跟副院長有27位監察委員辦案如果以你們這樣子的一個成績來看的話平均大概每個人一年只是辦10個案件而且呢我們也看到就是說這個事實上 |
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大家期待的大案件你們其實辦的很少或是可能很簡單的就處理掉但是對於基層公務員的案件你們倒是處理的速度很快而且也相對來說也較多 |
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所以這也是難怪為什麼大家會質疑有關於監察院到底是不是真的能夠發揮誠心勵志的這樣的一個功能那麼本席是希望在下一屆的監察委員如果能夠順利任職的話希望能夠提醒 |
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這個新任的監察委員們還是要重視人民的陳情案件因為我們就是說從歷史上看過來的話發現就是現在的這個辦案的這個派查率等等其實不是一個很好的一個績效的表現那麼我們希望說假設這個下一屆的監察委員能夠順利 |
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到職的話順利來任職的話這個部分希望能夠強化可以辦理更多人民關心或眾所矚目的案子是不是容我把這個數字的部分來簡單的說明一下就是說 |
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整體來看我們第六屆的監委的相關的績效的表現跟第五屆並沒有什麼差距但是事實上我們有幾個特色的地方就是說我們有一個委託調查的案件就是過去委託調查案件就是說這些就變成不是我們由我們監察院直接查我們要求他的主管機關上級等等直接調查 |
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那但是這個調查的部分真正被我們發現有問題就最後平反了也將近有389件的相關案件好的了解了謝謝我們今年還有一個我還有其他的問題要問因為我覺得這是一個大問題那麼我也希望就是監察院可能之後 |
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或是在之後有機會的話你們也可以把你們相關處理的情況然後再做個更詳細的報告是 謝謝委員好 那接下來本期要問的一個問題就是說一般的陳情案件從收受派案到立案調查或是不受理那監察院的標準作業時間大概是多少 |
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是否會含附陳情人跟委員說明原則上我們收受人民書狀行政院的話是20天我們是10天我們是有規定的是10天那10天之內呢我們在第一時間收到以後就會讓民眾知道說監察院收到了我們會用一個簡單的變化所以你們10天之後呢就會開始分案開查 |
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不一定會 報告委員 其實是 它是有一定的延期的一個過程那因為我們有個監察業務處 那裡面有好 那不管辦的情況如何 你們都會函附陳情人嗎是的那什麼時候會函附陳情人除非是說他 比如他是匿名 匿址 或者是他有一些對 所以大概會有什麼時間呢 |
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原則上我們若辦了有結果就會函付給陳情人可是呢其實跟委員附帶說明就是去年因為預算真的是被砍得非常的嚴重所以連油資就是季性所以也就是說你們其實現在就函付陳情人的這個速度沒有以前快就是了是不是基本上那現在本席要問的就是說我在去年12月23號的時候和幾位立法委員們我們一起針對卓榮泰 |
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違法失職他不附屬不執行不編列預算的這個事情向監察院遞狀申請彈劾案的陳情案因為這個案子是涉及到憲法層次的問題他不執行預算不附屬這應該算是很嚴重的很明顯違反憲政爭議的重大事要請問現在 |
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立法院 現在監察院針對這個案子你們的公文流程到哪裡了我們現在的流程到我們已經把這案子移給司法及預證委員會他們正在嚴處之中所以已經有立案了現在是提研究報告等於是對於整個這個憲政體制做一個相關的瞭解現在只是在研究階段 |
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在我原會研究的階段這不是非常明顯的一個明顯這也是處理的一個層次這也是整個處理的一個層次所以到目前為止也還沒有請卓榮泰那裡行政院針對行政院院長的違法失職他有沒有提出相關的說明呢我請司法域政委員會主任秘書來跟您說明 |
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我們這一次委員會要求在1月份的時候要求我們委會的幕僚針對我們這個委員的案子要針對他程序跟實體裡面加以研究到底有沒有合乎權力分離那目前我們會做一個詳細的研判 |
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所以我就講這個也難怪大家會對於監察委員那麼不信任認為他是獨立依法行使職權嗎你們看看你們自己的這個派案原則你們監察院的派案原則第三條裡面講得很清楚對不對有沒有濫用職權自以妄為逐任侵犯憲法保障基本人權或是他的這個行為有沒有引起社會 |
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爭議這是你們本身就要趕快要去做的對不對大家都一直在看就說監察院對於這種眾所矚目的案子有沒有積極的處理 |
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我希望就是 當然這些建廠委員我看起來他們反正就是七月底就任期屆滿也不會積極處理了啦而且案子會拖到下一屆可能就不了了之那麼但是我要說就是全民都在看 全民都在看那接下來我還有其他的問題就是今天其實其他的委員們也有提到 |
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賴清德總統他在3月10號的時候他其實已經有公布了就是要對外要徵選監察委員就是監察委員的候選人可是其實民進黨政府向來主張廢除監察院那麼賴清德他之前在當台南市市長的時候他也是認為說根本不應該要有監察院主張廢掉監察院還說他是個憲政怪獸 |
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那麼賴清德總統他現在因為已經有了這個不提名大法官的這樣的一個潛力所以接下來他有沒有可能也消極的不提名監察委員這我沒辦法代替這個總統回答這不是監察院能夠回答的問題如果說是賴清德又像是陳雪扁一樣 |
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他根本就不提名因為我相信或許民進黨政府現在不是那麼容易找到適合的監察委員的候選人那麼針對這個部分現在監察院內部有沒有一些準備 |
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我剛才講過整個監察院絕對不會對於沒有監委這件事情做任何的準備我們的目標還是依法希望未來監委能夠在下一屆第七屆能夠在八月一號就職我還是希望賴慶德總統可以 |
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一線提名監察委員的候選人但是就像我講的我不確定他到底會不會提名那麼如果說他不提名的話我也希望監察院要立場要立場不要像司法院司法院憲法法庭癱瘓至今司法院院長有去向賴清德總統表態嗎說因為賴清德總統的消極不提名已經癱瘓了憲法法庭 |
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799.981 |
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所以本期希望監察院必須要有立場如果說在這一屆監察委員任期屆滿之前都還沒有作為的話應該要積極而且要公開的向賴清德總統喊話必須要提名監察委員的候選人好 那麼最後一個議題 |
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就是剛剛前面幾個委員也都有在談到有關於這個之前有好幾位監察委員以及監察院的秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
814.884 |
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842.325 |
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私用公務車的這個案子那麼我們的台北地檢署把這些案子這些所謂的這個監委的不當使用公務車的案子認為說這是因為監委自費油資沒有損壞公務難以認定犯罪所以就用行政牽結了但是這個案子的確是引起社會的爭議而且看到這樣子的一個牽結的結果大家是極為憤怒不滿的那麼 |
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844.983 |
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858.156 |
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你們監察院自己內部的自律委員會針對這幾個監察委員後來大概也做了一些處理你們處理的結果就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
860.831 |
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口頭或書面道歉 或者是針對蘇力窮委員不懲處 王榮章委員就促其注意林玉榮委員接受親友到機場 只要口頭或書面在院會道歉就好你們這樣的處理方式 我相信已經社會大眾看不下去 |
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885.596 |
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912.865 |
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請教現在林育榮委員他有提口頭或書面道歉嗎有的他在院會裡面直接提出口頭道歉那有公開這份道歉函嗎他是向院會提出道歉不是向我們社會大眾提出道歉他在院會裡面有提出道歉所以有公開院會有記錄院會有記錄有錄案了這種事情其實這幾個委員都應該要向社會大眾道歉 |
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你們看看你們自己的監察院監察委員使用車輛的規定有特別講到委員使用車輛因為要符合公務需求安全考量或者是符合社會相當性的活動 |
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955.976 |
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這幾位監察委員包含秘書長送寵物去美容然後接送親友到機場然後去看病這有符合所謂的社會相當性嗎所以我們在整個的紀律委員會的採取之中就是以他們這個有礙到這個社會的形象所以給予相關影響監察的形象所以要求他們在院會道歉這樣子 |
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所以這幾位委員當然你們現在紀律委員會自己有做處理喔雖然說本席一直認為說你們紀律委員會的這樣的一個自律規範它是不夠的應該要比照立法委員的行為法然後本席之前也有提出監察委員的行為法 |
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增加更多的這個紀律的懲處的措施好那現在就是說你幾個監察委員看起來你們紀律委員會已經處理了雖然說所做的處分大家不盡滿意那接下來本席要換的就是說是針對李俊逸呢李俊逸秘書長因為他已經辭職了所以因為他已經辭職了所以他的行為你們就可以不追究嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1000.752 |
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1022.132 |
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依照你們的立案派查原則的第三點李俊逸的言行有沒有損害到監察院的形象有沒有損害到公務員的形象自律規範是規範委員我現在是講說你們自己監察院的立案派查原則裡面針對哪些案子要不要啟動調查 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1026.794 |
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1044.853 |
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李俊毅的作為難道不構成你們裡面講的第三點的第三點裡面的第六款嚴刑或行政措施有沒有引起社會嚴重的爭議對立或民怨這個部分你們針對李俊毅 |
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因為是去年的狀況我請副秘書長來跟您回應一下所以針對李俊逸的問題你們都沒有再處理嗎他一值了這筆賬就一筆勾銷了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
跟委員說明這個相關的三位監委的那部分是在114年6月6號有兩次的陳情檢舉案那所以呢我們就依照陳情檢舉案然後進入一般的我們的法定程序然後經過檢查業務處然後到移到紀律委員會紀律委員會派了七位的紀律委員會來調查我現在不是在講那三位監察我現在是講李俊逸的案子所以沒有人去檢舉李俊逸嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1086.457 |
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是 我們沒有收到任何的證據所以沒有檢舉你們就也不會依法調查你們的職權都是要等待被動的檢舉嗎李俊一的案子這麼嚴重他還利用公務車送他的狗去做寵物美容就是因為他已經離職了所以你們就可以不問不問你們連調查都沒有調查你們監察院可以做到這樣的一個程度嗎 |
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1132.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
這不應該是符合你們自己主動立案派查的情形所以難怪大家為什麼會把監察院看扁然後認為說你們只是打蒼蠅不打老虎李俊穎拍拍屁股就走了他的案子就輕鬆就是這個就 |
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就放下了然後也不再去追究他的違法失職的責任李軍秘書長的事情其實檢察官也都有調查了其實他也是在牽結的司法權司法權監察權是監察權司法權行政牽結不代表監察權可以不去做調查我也是法律學者我對監察法是清楚的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1164.082 |
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1190.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
對不對 你們今天對於李俊應的案子都可以不去調查然後對於一些小工友可能只是有一部分的這個很輕微的違法疏失可能立刻就調查這在一般人 一般社會大眾眼裡是看不下去這樣的情況的就像我們剛剛講 如果說連那三位監察委員你們還經過自己內部的紀律委員會 |
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1191.974 |
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| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
做了這樣的懲處雖然說只是觸及注意不懲處或者是口頭道歉這麼輕的這樣的一個處分但是至少還有處分吧但李俊逸的狀況連發動都沒有發動調查然後也沒有針對這案子去做積極處分我真的認為說 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1217.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1234.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
監察院這樣的一個行為是沒有辦法的李俊彬署長在去年也負起責任他負起什麼責任請告訴我他已經辭職了所以只要是我們現在政務官他有任何違法失職的情況他只要拍拍屁股辭職之後事後所有的司法責任公務責任都可以不用追究喔 |
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1240.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1245.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
民俗長,您跟我都是法律學者,您應該知道我在說什麼。 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
1247.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
1276.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
政務官不是說他辭職之後就不再負任何的責任的您今天這樣的談話讓我覺得實在不能接受所有社會大眾都不能接受我覺得您不用再幫李俊逸去辯護您也不用為前屆的監察委員做任何的辯解所以這也是讓大家會認為說這一屆的監察委員有太多失職 太多護航的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
1278.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
1305.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
只是大家沒有這個我想之後有機會把它整理出來到底是護航了哪些大官眼前就是護航庇護這個李俊毅好那以上了我講說這個部分你們如果說是要等待要有檢舉陳秦涵才會辦理的話那本席今天回去之後我立刻就會提一個檢舉陳秦涵請監察院 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1308.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1311.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
一定要去處理李俊逸的案子 |