| IVOD_ID |
168535 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168535 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-15T09:56:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-15T10:17:48+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:21:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ec77822e2e6eae3df0233f15acde0548ea785098ebfecd525bca6d85ad377ff2a5e3ee0d4b51e7c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:56:28 - 10:17:48 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部、教育部就「美國貿易代表署發布《2026年各國貿易評估報告》（2026NTE）提及技術性貿易壁壘或食品安全檢驗與動植物防疫檢疫SPS）壁壘之豬肉、牛肉與牛肉產品、β促進劑的最大殘留容許量等各項食農相關產品及技術之要求，我國所承諾之措施、移除產品禁令或取消輸入口岸檢疫程序等，並特就其中開放切片馬鈴薯帶芽（或腐爛或發黴）仍能整批進口與其敦促撤銷基改食品進校園，對我國食品安全造成之衝擊與因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部、農業部、行政院消費者保護處就「寵物用藥新制上路在即，犬貓及非經濟動物急重症醫療銜接、藥品流向管理、飼主取得可近性與消費權益保障之整體配套」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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好謝謝主席我們是不是有請部長跟房檢署的署長請署長 |
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部長早這個我還是延續剛剛委員大家在關心的有關於動物用藥的這個問題因為我聽到你們回覆前面幾位委員我現在有幾個問題想要理清第一個現在的這個公告的辦法一定會註銷對不對就這兩天 |
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就是一定會註銷讓它失效就應該說目前這個農業部依照動保法第四條第三項所公告的這個管理辦法會先取消然後再嚴定一個更周延那這個空窗期就是會確保所有的動物用藥都沒有問題那它引用的是什麼 |
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用動保法第四條第二項的規定因為在這個動保法第四條第二項就已經明定了這個當動物用藥不足的時候那麼獸醫師得以使用人用藥品那麼意思就是說既然可以使用那麼藥品的供應就不應該斷這個這個有障礙那如果這樣子我們學衆的後面的點是在這個藥品的安全管理上面 |
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那這樣還有需要再重新公告一個辦法嗎如果把辦法註銷回到動保法之後那公要也無語 還需要再另訂新辦法嗎有 因為在這個動保法第4條第3條要明訂那麼前項這些人用藥品怎麼樣用到這個動物身上的相關的使用管理規定它要由主管機關訂制 |
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那你們現在沒有訂的情況底下不是反而是你要上路之後才引發問題沒有上路反而是沒有問題你現在是這樣子應該是這樣講就是說在過去一段時間本來已經在農業部訂的這個授權辦法裡面那麼有提到這個相關的人用藥品要用到動物上面的時候它要經過一些行政程序比如說它怎麼樣成為一個動物保護用藥 |
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那麼他的這個申請程序登錄程序是什麼等等那麼但是呢這個程序上可能要再更簡化因為目前所公告的701項這個得用於動物的人用藥品裡面只有這個200多項按照這個辦法來 |
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這個申請登錄為動物保護用藥所以還因為一旦成為動物保護用藥的時候藥商就可以直接供應在這個辦法裡面是這樣子定所以就會產生另外還有將近500種的藥品是沒有辦法從藥商直接供應造成剛剛說到取得上的一些不方便性所以這個 |
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這個部分包含這個如何成為動物保護用藥的程序如何簡化輔導那麼另外在使用上如何流向的管理去強化這個是關鍵那你們兩個部會已經有共識了嗎 |
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有個初步的共識我剛剛提到的就是我們一些初步的共識所以辦法就是新的辦法公告之後可以確保這701項藥品不會經過冗長的行政程序而且也不用再去登記它直接就會被公告變成是動物用藥嗎我們是朝這個對我們朝這個方向對朝這個方向去就直接公告它就是動物用藥那你們現在還有什麼問題是沒有處理的沒有共識的 |
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如果有也可以很快就修正辦法不是直接就上路就好了嗎這個真正進行的行政程序是房檢署來進行我知道那你們現在到底還有什麼問題沒有解關鍵就是這701項用藥讓他更快速的直接公告變成是動物用藥嗎不是嗎 |
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那你們還有什麼細節或是行政的作業是兩個部會現在喬不定的還需要商議的如果沒有 正常這個辦法可以很快速的公告來局長你說謝謝委員因為原來在這個制度設計的時候其中有一項就是人用藥那你經過登錄以後轉為動保用藥那以目前為止的話我們即便廣度的去邀他但也只有144項然後只有216件 |
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那現在的701項如果直接轉為動保用藥那當然我們可以快速來處理這個問題但他的背後有藥證的大概1萬多張所以他可能是會一個爆量那爆量這不僅僅問題是後續假設這1萬多間的藥證701項的話這些我們都要對接到食藥署的相關的資訊那我才有辦法做 |
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他的這個紀錄跟流向的管控那如果說這一些我們都沒有辦法掌握的話那麼即便衝出上路了但是會回到那個流向的管理上會失控所以一定要確保我們在後續的這一些都要對接好了我們再上路所以容我們有一點時間跟食藥署把這些的資料庫整個重新建檔然後依照我們要求他填報的 |
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資料品項欄位等等都對接清楚所以我們現在已經往這個大方向在做執行了那你需要多少時間你這個新的辦法你們這樣的一個對接還需要多少時間因為那一天開會的時候那部長這邊也也都允諾有共識說這個資料會讓我們來對接所以我們以後最快的時間來跟他對接最快是多快我們也希望說能夠最 |
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其實也跟委員報告就是說我們這個誰能回答這題 來 食藥署署長要回答是不是 |
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我們其實有一些共識我們也幫忙想了一些辦法就在短期我們在人類用藥的部分可以從我們藥商藥局經商的藥局等等到動物的機構去短期我們只要有運銷紀錄很清楚可以對得起來可是中長期的話因為短期的時候讓公藥就能夠穩定不會斷掉 |
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但是中長期的確需要一個資訊的平台那我們在藥品的我們的追追追系統裡面在我們的藥商在我們的中盤商裡面都可以確定所以我們從我們這邊可以抓到出貨的狀況 |
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430.217 |
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在農業部的部分在使用端在診所在動物醫院裡面的雙方能夠勾肌讓我們最擔心的部分能夠被確保那需要多少時間我問的是需要多少時間那個運銷紀錄應該即刻就可以有運銷紀錄就可以了對 那你整個的勾肌你的那個資料跟委員說明這個大概有兩個層面要處理第一個就是因為他這個辦法要修訂所以修訂他還是需要找相關的stakeholder來討論你們不是現在共識已經很強 |
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那個是我們內部的行政作業的公司但是我們還是要聽聽stakeholder包含獸醫師啦包含這些事主大家的意見那麼還有中間可能牽涉到藥商藥局這個還是需要有一些會議討論然後進行法治作業那第二個呢後面的程序上它有兩個程序需要把它資訊的資訊流要把它完備一個是藥品的流向資訊第二個呢是使用的這個登錄因為我們能用藥品多數健保 |
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我知道 我要問的就是你們需要多少時間新的辦法 那這個系統因為在目前來講這個農業部這邊的系統是要新建的所以它會比較多一點時間那我們這個系統是ready的只是協助對接所以要多少時間 你們回答不出來這個要看那個房間署的評估署長你們需要多少時間 |
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512.407 |
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其實以現在來講承辦單位因為這個回到還是落實在基層那以基層來講他整個現在所有的系統要重新重置或者那個其實真的就在花時間那原來他們的評估是希望一年半把整個系統嫁接因為除了食藥署還有那個疾管署疾管署的都要嫁接還有新制那我現在我想我們會盡量縮短就是假設這個順暢的話我覺得再縮短 |
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對 如果可以的話我們再把這個系統上趕快對接 然後越早完成我們越早宣告要求就是在你的新辦法還沒有公告上路之前這個動物用藥的藥品絕對不能短缺 |
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531.97 |
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要供應無虞這是第一件第二件一年內你們這個新的機制一定走中長期你要把它建置是完整的就是從登錄到它的流向管理你是一套完整的制度那如果是這樣代表你前面的辦法你這兩年你根本你們都沒有想到這些問題配套也沒有在做 |
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接下來我要問的是食安的問題因為今天這個我們經貿談判辦公室我們的代表是沒有到今天派的是執行秘書經貿談判辦公室來這個徐執密也請上台 |
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這一次的ART的談判我們可以看到在食安的部分我們做了非常大的退讓我自己的觀察你的源頭把關已經被破防了食安五環也破功了食安防線棄守我們一個一個來看這一次你們談的成果基本上我們跟美國的經貿談判你可以談但是食品安全為什麼我們對於食品的把關我們要棄守這一點是我非常不能接受的 |
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第一個我們過去在管理這個豬肉美豬進口的時候當時的蘇貞昌院長他說我們會有很好的一套的管理措施大家不用怕這個就是我們對於食安的保證第一個最重要的是產地的茶廠從源頭去管理 |
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645.374 |
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結果這次的談判我要問經貿辦你們的談判怎麼會去同意就是我們可以不用事先這個去茶廠然後就可以進來就可以長驅直入更為人說明這個茶廠這個我們源頭管理還是有的有嗎我們有系統性茶盒跟茶廠那這個部分沒有讓步沒有沒有沒有讓步那為什麼這個出來的報告是這樣子寫就是說美方要求就是沒有茶廠這件事情 |
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有有有 查場可以查場我要確定這件事我們去年才去查過啊所以ART簽了之後還是可以查場可以可以可以另外一個我們這兩塊一個叫系統性查核就是整個制度的review第二個就是查場查場非常重要所以我要問的是這個絕對是不能放掉沒有問題的這個沒有改變另外一個是那個秦出肉品的管制措施就是說美方現在說他提供名單我們就要照單全售 |
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就是我們不再由防檢署來認定是不是這樣這個系統性查核的概念就是這樣就是用一個國家的它的這個品質管控制度去認可那我們就會就像GMP廠的沒有 過去我們的防檢署還要再認可一遍我們是主權國家怎麼可以是美方開端我們就照單全收 |
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所以這個沒有改變嗎對世界各國裡面我們系統性查核確定這個制度對接所以它制度裡面允許的就像我們也希望是我們允許的我們制度裡面允許一樣可以得到但是當對方要求他其實就是要我們的許可的時候我們還是有許可的功能現在是不是沒有了透過系統性查核才能夠有這樣的制度我們跟其他國家也是這樣我們現在是不是沒有許可權了 |
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有有有還有最終許可權還是有對不對這一個源頭的管理我覺得非常重要如果是這個棄守我覺得我們的食安源頭就是破防沒有沒有這個還是要經過系統性查核那另外一個就是邊境的逐批查驗 |
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760.146 |
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我們還可以做到百分之百的逐批查驗嗎美方是不是要求我們要放棄百分之百逐批查驗應該是這樣子講就是說我們現在只有針對美方這個國家做逐批查驗是啊 因為他們還有萊克多巴胺啊但是我們查了這麼多批之後呢都是合格的 |
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都是合格所以才會回到常態你的常態是幾%就是它有這個來那個說明一下它是查到有問題的時候才會再增加查核的所以你就不百分之百逐批查驗了嗎我們回到我們常態性的 |
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常態性的查驗的話其實是2到10%的查驗因為過去的經驗裡面我們已經查數萬批裡面都是正常人我知道 各位跟委員報告去年我們有萊克多巴胺澳洲的豬腳嘛我親自去看了一趟澳洲的豬腳 |
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養豬場 屠宰場等等那個是我在委員會要求的我親自去了 去看了結果我看到有三分之一的台灣整個場面有三分之一台灣的孩子在那邊為這個豬場在努力所謂打工換宿那我們看到他的整個制度化裡面在做這件事情也了解他們的實際上的狀況所以上次也是房檢署跟食藥署共同前去對於這個所以這個是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
邊境外去除非查驗去查場之後系統性查核到我們邊境就要按照所謂的風險我們現在叫border protection intelligence是會來去判斷的你暫時先不用講我們之所以對於美國的豬肉採取更嚴格的把關是因為我們開放了讓他允許有萊克多巴胺的美豬可以進到台灣來 |
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847.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
852.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
所以當時蘇貞昌院長才說大家放心我會百分之百逐批的查驗我的百分之百逐批的查驗是讓我不會有高過這個比例的收入金混到市場來因為你這個就是開放了你不要把它跟其他國家又混為一談我今天要問的這個就是我們放棄了百分之百逐批查驗這個就是事實嘛 |
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885.631 |
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是回到我們的風險查核方式啦 按照我們對所有國家進來的我知道 但當時蘇貞昌院長承諾不是這樣子嘛你們現在不要把一般性的查驗又拿回來談我要講的是 你這個已經放鬆但是你的來季的標準 又放寬我們看一下下一張你的這個來季的標準 你的租雜稅 你知道嗎日本是0.04ppm |
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924.377 |
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韓國基本上是不得檢出個案是0.01我們這次ART之後你要放寬到0.09ppm這是不是事實我們找到的數據是不是事實那你就是比原來的你的這個是暴增9倍喔那這樣的情況底下你邊境你還不逐批抽那你怎麼知道他有沒有超過這個標準 |
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925.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
943.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
先跟委員報告一下,因為ART裡面的內容其實針對是我們採取的是以國際的標準,以Codex標準,如果Codex沒有訂,才會有另外一部分的一個思考。那我就問你,租雜稅你到底訂多少?我們對於相關的一個規定是以國際對接的一個方式來去計算。那有什麼國際標準?日本0.04ppm,韓國是0.01啊? |
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我們這邊是提到跟CODEX的對接所以就是0.09ppm嘛對,跟CODEX的對接那我要問你的就是你現在豬雜你的來地容許量是暴增9倍你跟原來的是暴增9倍在這樣的情況底下你邊境又不採取百分之百主批查驗然後讓你看一個數字就是美國的豬內臟進到台灣現在如果跟110年比較起來114年已經來到7681公噸 |
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976.007 |
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我就問你 這一些豬雜 豬內臟 它的流向都流到哪裡去未來ART之後 它是成長的九倍 它的含量是九倍你要不要管制 它是不是流向小吃攤我們還有縣市 就是說鼓勵大家這個台灣豬還舉辦了小吃大賽 還有黑白切今天的這一些豬雜 其實就是黑白切裡面 |
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1003.934 |
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1030.667 |
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我跟委員說明澄清一下這些資訊在這個豬肝豬腎的部分日本韓國新加坡的標準都是跟Codex一致那我們現在也是跟Codex一致也就是說在肝的部分是0.04腎的部分是0.09其他的可食用部分是採取其中較低者我們大概這個標準都會跟Codex是一致 |
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1031.325 |
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你的較低者是多少?就是0.09ppm嗎?不不不,我們是肝腎好,那我就問你豬大腸是多少?豬大腸,其他的話我們如果沒有特別去的話就是採肝腎比較低的,就是0.04你豬大腸現在是0.04?對然後那個豬的肝臉呢?豬的肝臉,他是算肌肉啊 |
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他沒有算在豬雜裡面沒有啊眼頰肉也是肌肉所以0.01肉的是0.01啊所以大腸小腸你現在是0.04但是肝腎是0.09不是肝是0.04腎是0.09這個都是Cortex的標準 |
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1074.246 |
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所以你其他沒有比日韓高日韓新加坡都一致你提供一個數據給我沒有問題我們把這國際對照我現在最關切的是我們跟澳洲在澳洲日本韓國新加坡都是一致的甘0.04剩0.09 |
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1093.16 |
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好 你這個數據你要確定你是正確的然後你要提供給我因為我們辦公室找到的資料是我們現在是比日韓還要高沒有沒有沒有 我們跟日韓一樣我們是按照Codex的標準他們也是Codex的標準他們兩個的標準也不一樣 |
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沒有 他們兩個的就是Codex的標準 我們這邊看到的就是好 你把資料提供給我 我會再去核對喔那我要問你的就是 我們現在顯然是放寬然後放寬了之後 我要問你的是我們這一些冷凍的豬雜 你的流向到底流去哪裡我們現在市面上其實都看不到然後它未來的這個含量是變高的 請問它是流向哪裡你們有掌握嗎 |
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這如果以114年來講7681公噸的豬雜流向流去了哪裡做了什麼食品流到了小吃攤嗎你們到底整個食藥署有沒有掌握流向跟委員報告一下我們其他可食部位的數字與美國的部分那以今年度進來的是有1746 |
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1159.39 |
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頓目前今年的數字是這樣那其中我們特別看一下有沒有所謂的豬腎啊的進來其實是都沒有進來對今年度最新的那我們整體的看起來那進口豬是佔百分之八 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1175.163 |
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1196.491 |
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我知道 我要知道他的旅遊箱到底去了哪裡因為市面上大家都不知道 你們標示也沒有在做 也沒有人看到跟委員講 我們現在的原料原產地 包裝食品 散裝食品 或者職工場所我們都有去稽查 像今年對不對 去年度我們整個稽查九千多件有兩件沒有標示好的 這兩件都是台灣豬沒有標好 |
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不管是哪裡不管台灣豬還是國外豬我們通通都會來好那你給我一個報告你要告訴我以114年為例進口的這些雜碎就是豬雜它的流向它的體向它的流向然後那個比例佔多少你們都有掌握對都有掌握把報告提供給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1217.655 |
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因為民眾都不知道那因為這是食安的問題喔你們這一開放之後事實上我們吃的比例就會高我們國人的食用習慣習慣去吃這些內臟所以這個是你們食安要把關好的我覺得民眾有選擇權啦基本上我是反對在這個食安裡面去做讓步的我們台美的經貿經貿的一些交換有很多可以交換但是食品安全不能交換還有最後提醒一個 |
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1244.19 |
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基改食品絕對不能進校園絕對不能進校園部長你可以承諾嗎跟委員說明我的立場跟您一樣健康不能退讓所以我們所有的調整跟國際的接軌也都是經過健康風險評估我們來把關的那基改的所有的管理作為沒有任何改變 |
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1266.069 |
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1279.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
不會 不會進校園 我要你承諾不會嘛 這個是很多家長很擔心的怕我們一讓再讓之後 孩子的健康都出賣了這個是絕對不允許的 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝王一鳴委員的諮詢 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-15T09:56:36.011000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-15T09:56:36.291000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-15T09:56:36.691000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-15T09:56:40.154000+08:00 |
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我們是不是有請部長跟防檢署的署長？ |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-15T09:56:40.154000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-15T09:56:40.174000+08:00 |
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請石部長、署長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-15T09:56:40.174000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-15T09:56:45.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
王委員早。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-15T09:56:45.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-15T09:56:45.987000+08:00 |
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部長早。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-15T09:56:47.628000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T09:56:59.140000+08:00 |
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我還是延續剛剛委員大家在關心的，有關動物用藥的這個問題，因為我聽到你們回復前面幾位委員，現在有幾個問題想要釐清。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-15T09:56:59.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:03.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
第一，現在這個公告的辦法一定會註銷，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:03.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:08.030000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
這兩天就是一定會註銷，讓它失效？ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:09.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:19.621000+08:00 |
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應該是說目前農業部依照動保法第四條第三項所公告的這個管理辦法會先取消，然後再研訂一個更周延…… |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:20.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:26.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
那這個空窗期就是會確保所有的動物用藥都沒有問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:26.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:27.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
對，沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:26.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:27.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
那它引用的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:28.430000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:42.112000+08:00 |
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用動保法第四條第二項的規定，因為在動保法第四條第二項就已經明定，當動物用藥不足的時候，獸醫師得使用人用藥品。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:43.273000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:49.674000+08:00 |
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意思就是說既然可以使用，藥品的供應就不應該有障礙。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:49.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:50.694000+08:00 |
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那如果這樣，有需要再重…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:50.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-15T09:57:55.395000+08:00 |
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我們著重後面的點是在藥品的安全管理上面。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:56.641000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T09:57:58.863000+08:00 |
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這樣還需要再重新公告一個辦法嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-15T09:57:58.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-15T09:58:05.929000+08:00 |
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如果把辦法註銷回到動保法之後，供藥也無虞，還需要再另訂新辦法嗎？要。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-15T09:58:06.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-15T09:58:16.959000+08:00 |
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因為在動保法第四條第三項有明定，前項這些人用藥品會怎麼樣用到動物身上的相關使用管理規定，它要由主管機關定之。對啊！ |
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0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-15T09:58:18.140000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-15T09:58:20.222000+08:00 |
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所以你們現在沒有定…… |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-15T09:58:20.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-15T09:58:21.222000+08:00 |
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才會有農業部…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-15T09:58:20.802000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T09:58:27.427000+08:00 |
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你們現在沒有定的情況底下，反而是你要上路之後才引發問題，沒有上路反而是沒有問題，你現在是這樣子耶！ |
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0.822 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-15T09:58:28.327000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-15T09:58:51.124000+08:00 |
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應該這樣講，在過去一段時間本來已經在農業部定的這個授權辦法裡面，有提到相關的人用藥品要用到動物上面的時候，要經過一些行政程序，比如說它要怎麼樣成為一個動物保護用藥，它的申請程序、登錄程序是什麼等等。 |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
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2026-04-15T09:58:52.305000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T09:59:16.522000+08:00 |
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但是這個在程序上可能要再更簡化，因為在目前所公告701項得用於動物的人用藥品裡面，只有這個二百多項是按照這個辦法來申請、登錄為動物保護用藥的，所以還……因為一旦成為動物保護用藥的時候，藥商就可以直接供應。 |
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0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-15T09:59:16.522000+08:00 |
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2026-04-15T09:59:28.487000+08:00 |
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在這個辦法裡面是這樣子定的，所以就會產生另外還有將近500種藥品是沒有辦法從藥商直接供應，造成剛剛說的在取得上的一些不方便性。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-15T09:59:30.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-15T09:59:39.899000+08:00 |
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這個部分包含成為動物保護用藥的程序如何簡化、如何輔導，另外在使用上如何就流向的管理去強化…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-15T09:59:40.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-15T09:59:40.559000+08:00 |
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對，這個是關鍵，你們兩個部會已經有共識了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-15T09:59:44.644000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-15T09:59:45.604000+08:00 |
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是有初步的共識。 |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-15T09:59:45.604000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-15T09:59:48.385000+08:00 |
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我剛剛提到的就是我們的一些初步共識。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-15T09:59:48.385000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:02.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
所以辦法就是新的辦法公告之後，可以確保這701項藥品不會經過冗長的行政程序，而且也不用再去登記，直接就會被公告變成是動物用藥嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:02.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:03.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
可以直接公告嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:02.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:08.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
對，我們是朝這個方向，就是直接公告那就是動物保護用藥。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:08.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:11.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
那你們現在還有什麼問題是沒有處理的、沒有共識的？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:12.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:17.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
如果有，也可以很快的修正辦法，讓其直接上路就好，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:17.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:20.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
真正進行行政程序的…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:20.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:21.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
你們現在到底還有什麼問題是兩個部會…… |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.059 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:21.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:23.161000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
是由防檢署來進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:23.842000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:26.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我知道，那你們現在到底還有什麼問題沒有解決？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:26.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:32.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
關鍵就是這701項用藥，讓它更快速地直接公告變成是動物用藥，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:33.610000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:40.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
你們還有什麼細節或是行政的作業是這兩個部會現在還喬不定的、還需要商議的？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:40.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:43.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
如果沒有，事實上這個辦法可以很快速地公告。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:43.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-15T10:00:44.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
請署長說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-15T10:00:44.952000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-15T10:01:59.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
謝謝委員，原來這個制度在設計的時候，其中有一項就是人用藥在經過登錄以後轉為動保用藥，到目前為止的話，我們即便廣度地去邀他們，但也只有144項、只有216件，現在的701項如果直接轉為動保用藥，當然我們可以快速來處理這個問題，但其背後有藥證的大概是一萬多張，所以屆時可能會出現爆量，而爆量不僅僅是一個問題，後續假設這一萬多間的藥證、有701項的話，這些我們都要對接到食藥署的相關資訊，才有辦法做它的紀錄跟流向的管控，如果這些我們都沒有辦法掌握的話，即便匆促上路了，可能流向的管理上就會失控，所以一定要確保後續這一些都要對接好了再上路，所以容我們有一點時間跟食藥署把這些資料庫整個重新建檔，並依照我們要求他填報的資料、品項、欄位等等都對接清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:01.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-15T10:02:03.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
總之，我們現在已經往這個大方向在做執行了。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:05.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-15T10:02:09.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
針對這個新的辦法，你們做這樣的對接，還需要多少時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:09.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-15T10:02:16.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
那一天開會的時候，部長這邊也都允諾了，而且也有共識說這個資料會讓我們來對接，所以我們會以最快的時間來跟他對接。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:16.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-15T10:02:16.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
最快是多快？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:16.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-15T10:02:26.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我們也希望……也跟委員報告，就是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:32.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-15T10:02:33.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
誰能回答這一題？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:33.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-15T10:02:34.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
食藥署署長要回答是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:34.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-15T10:02:38.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
請問最快可以多快？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-15T10:02:38.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-15T10:03:18.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
委員好，其實有一些共識，我們也幫忙想了一些辦法，就是短期內在人類用藥的部分，可以從我們經銷的藥局等等，到動物的機構去，短期內只要有運銷紀錄，也很清楚，我們就可以對接得起來，所以短期的時候，供藥就能夠穩定，不會斷掉，但中長期的確需要一個資訊的平臺，我們在藥品的追溯追蹤系統裡面，像我們的藥商、中盤商，在系統裡面都可以確定，所以從我們這邊可以抓到出貨的狀況，包括在農業部、在使用端、在診所、在動物醫院裡面的，雙方能夠勾稽，讓我們最擔心的部分能夠被確保，避免流向不清楚。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-15T10:03:20.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-15T10:03:22.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我問的是需要多少時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-15T10:03:22.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-15T10:03:24.594000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
有運銷紀錄應該就可以了。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-15T10:03:24.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-15T10:03:25.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
對，包括你的資料整個的勾稽…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-15T10:03:27.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-15T10:03:37.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
跟委員說明，這大概有兩個層面要處理，第一個，因為這個辦法要修訂，所以還是需要找相關的stakeholder來討論，讓他…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-15T10:03:37.097000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-15T10:03:38.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
你們不是共識已經很強了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-15T10:03:38.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-15T10:03:53.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
那是我們內部行政作業的共識，但是我們還是要聽聽stakeholder的意見，包含獸醫師，包含這些飼主大家的意見，還有這中間可能牽涉到藥商、藥局，所以還是需要召開會議來討論，然後再進行法制作業。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-15T10:03:53.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-15T10:04:08.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
第二個，後面的程序上，有兩個程序需要把他的資訊流予以完備，一個是藥品的流向資訊，另一個是使用的登錄，我們人用藥品因為有健保，所以用多少都很清楚，但是獸醫這邊也要……所以這要兩個系統…… |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.58 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-15T10:04:09.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-15T10:04:13.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我知道，我要問的就是你們需要多少時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-15T10:04:13.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-15T10:04:14.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
新的辦法你們會公告…… |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-15T10:04:15.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-15T10:04:25.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
這個系統就目前來講，農業部這邊的系統是要新建的，所以需要比較多一點時間，而我們這邊的系統是ready的，只是協助對接。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-15T10:04:26.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-15T10:04:28.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
所以要多少時間，你們回答不出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-15T10:04:28.935000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-15T10:04:31.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
這個要看防檢署的評估。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-15T10:04:32.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-15T10:04:33.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
署長，你們需要多少時間？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-15T10:04:35.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-15T10:04:56.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
以現在來講，因為這個還是要落實在基層，以基層來講，現在整個系統要重置或者做其他處理，真的是要花時間，原來他們的評估是希望一年半把整個系統嫁接好，除了食藥署還有疾管署的，都要予以嫁接，除此之外，還有新制要處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.798 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-15T10:04:57.866000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-15T10:05:00.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
總之，我們會儘量縮短，假設運作順暢的話，我覺得可以再縮短……1年內？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-15T10:05:02.428000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-15T10:05:03.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
對，如果可以的話，我們在系統上趕快對接，越早完成我們就越早宣告…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-15T10:05:03.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-15T10:05:21.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
本席要求在你的新辦法還沒有公告上路之前，動物用藥的藥品絕對不能短缺，要供應無虞，這是第一件。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-15T10:05:21.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-15T10:05:36.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
第二件，一年內這個新的機制就中長期的部分，你要把它建置是完整的，就是從登錄到它的流向管理，是一套完整的制度，如果是這樣，代表你前面這兩年根本都沒有想到這些問題，因為配套沒有在做。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
杜署長麗華 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-15T10:05:36.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-15T10:05:37.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
有，我再跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-15T10:05:37.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-15T10:05:38.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
因為我還有下一題要問，反正就是你們往這個目標去做。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.043 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-15T10:05:38.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-15T10:06:10.721000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
接下來我要問的是食安問題，因為今天經貿談判辦公室的代表還是沒有到，改派的是執行秘書，請經貿談判辦公室徐執秘上臺，這一次ART的談判可以看到在食安的部分，我們做了非常大的退讓，就我自己的觀察，你的源頭把關已經被破防，食安五環也破功了，食安防線棄守。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-15T10:06:10.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-15T10:06:13.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我們一個一個來看這次你們談的成果，基本上，跟美國經貿談判，你可以談，但是食品安全上，為什麼我們食品的把關要棄守？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-15T10:06:13.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-15T10:06:34.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
這一點是我非常不能接受的，第一個，過去美豬進口的時候，當時的蘇貞昌院長說，我們會有一套很好的管理措施，大家不用怕，這就是政府對於食安的保證，而第一個最重要的是產地的查廠，從源頭去管理。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-15T10:06:47.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-15T10:06:56.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我要問經貿辦，這次的談判中，你們怎麼會同意我們可以不用事先去查廠然後就可以進來、就可以長驅直入呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-15T10:06:58.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:01.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
跟委員說明，查廠的部分，源頭管理還是有的。有嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.65 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:01.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:04.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我們有系統性查核跟查廠，兩個機制都有。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.471 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:04.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:05.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
這個部分沒有讓步？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:06.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:07.131000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
沒有讓步、沒有讓步。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:07.651000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:10.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
那為什麼出來的報告是這樣子寫？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:10.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:13.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
就是美方要求沒有查廠這件事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:13.914000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:14.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
有查廠。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:14.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:15.014000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
可以查廠？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:15.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:16.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我要確定這件事。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:16.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:17.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
有、有、有，我們去年才去查過啊！對。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:18.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:20.237000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
所以ART簽了之後還是可以查廠？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:20.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:26.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
可以、可以、可以，這有兩塊，一個叫系統性查核，是整個制度的review；第二個就是查廠。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:27.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:30.601000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
查廠非常重要，所以我要問的是，這個絕對不能放掉。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:30.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:32.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
沒有問題，這個是沒有改變的。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:32.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:39.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
另外一個是禽畜肉品的管制措施，是不是美方提供了名單，我們就要照單全收？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:40.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:45.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
就是不再由我們防檢署來認定，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:45.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-15T10:07:54.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
系統性查核的概念就是這樣，就是用一個國家的品質管控制度去認可，就像PIC/S GMP廠的國家概念是一樣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.735 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-15T10:07:54.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:03.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
沒有，過去是我們的防檢署還要再認可一遍，畢竟我們是主權國家，所以可以是美方開單，我們就照單全收嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.841 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:03.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:04.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
我們互相都是這樣在處理的。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:04.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:07.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
所以這個部分沒有改變嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:07.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:18.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
委員，在世界各國裡面，我們系統性查核確定這個制度是對接的，所以他是制度裡面允許的，就像我們也希望在我們制度裡面允許的一樣可以得到雙方…… |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.823 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:19.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:26.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
但是當對方要求，就是要求我們許可的時候，我們還是有許可的功能在，但現在不是沒有了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:27.238000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:30.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
對，我們要透過系統性查核，才能夠有這樣的制度，我們跟其他國家也是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:30.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:31.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
我們現在是不是有許可權了？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:32.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:35.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
有、有、有，還有最終許可權。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:35.277000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:36.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
還是有，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:36.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:37.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
對、對、對。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:36.658000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:42.003000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
這個源頭的管理，我覺得非常重要，如果這個部分棄守，我覺得我們的食安源頭就是破口。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:42.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:44.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
沒有、沒有，這個還是要經過系統性查核。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:45.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:52.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
另外一個就是邊境的逐批查驗，我們還可以做到百分之百的逐批查驗嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:52.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-04-15T10:08:55.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
美方是不是要求我們要放棄百分之百逐批查驗？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-15T10:08:55.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:02.421000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
應該是這樣子講，我們現在只有針對美方這個國家做逐批查驗。是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:02.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:04.603000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
因為就是含有萊克多巴胺啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:04.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:12.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
但是我們查了這麼多批之後，都是合格的，所以才應該回到常態機制。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:12.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:13.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
你的常態是幾趴？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:13.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:23.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
就是查到有問題的時候，才會再增加查核，我請署長再說明一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.654 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:23.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:25.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
所以你就不再百分之百逐批查驗了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:25.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:26.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
我們就回到常態性查驗。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:28.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:37.635000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
常態性的查驗是2%到10%，因為過去的經驗裡面，我們已經查的數萬批裡面，都是正常的。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:37.895000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:38.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
我知道…… |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:38.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:47.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
也跟委員報告，去年澳洲的豬腳我們有查出萊克多巴胺，後來我還親自去看了澳洲的養豬場、屠宰場等等。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.744 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:47.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:49.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
對，那個是我在委員會要求的。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:49.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-04-15T10:09:59.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
我親自去看了，結果我看到整個豬場裡面有三分之一的臺灣孩子在那邊，在為豬場努力，就是所謂的打工換宿。 |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-04-15T10:09:59.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-04-15T10:10:08.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
那我們看到他們整個制度化在做這件事情，也了解他們實際上的狀況，所以上次也是防檢署跟食藥署共同前去。 |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-04-15T10:10:10.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-04-15T10:10:21.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
這個是邊境外去逐批查驗、查廠，是系統性查核，但我們邊境就要按照所謂的風險，我們現在建置Border Prediction Intelligent System（邊境預測智能系統），是會來判斷的。 |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.698 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-04-15T10:10:21.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-04-15T10:10:38.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
署長，你暫時先不用講，我們之所以對於美國的豬肉採取更嚴格的把關，就是因為我們開放了，允許有萊克多巴胺的美豬可以進到臺灣來，所以當時蘇貞昌院長才說：大家放心，我會百分之百逐批的查驗，我的百分之百逐批的查驗，是我不會讓高過這個比例的瘦肉精混到市場來。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-04-15T10:10:38.111000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-04-15T10:10:40.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
因為你就是開放這個了，你不要把它跟其他國家又混為一談，我今天要問的就是我們放棄了百分之百逐批查驗，這個就是事實嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-04-15T10:10:59.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-04-15T10:11:04.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
是回到我們的風險查核方式，按照我們對所有國家進來的…… |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-04-15T10:11:04.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-04-15T10:11:09.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
我知道，但是當時蘇貞昌院長的承諾不是這樣子，你們現在不要把一般性的查驗又拿回來談。 |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-04-15T10:11:09.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-04-15T10:11:10.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
我們現在是對各國有一致性的處理原則。 |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.059 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-04-15T10:11:09.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-04-15T10:11:13.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
我要講的是你對這個已經放鬆，但是你萊劑的標準又放寬，我們來看你對豬雜碎萊劑的標準，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.738 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-04-15T10:11:13.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-04-15T10:11:39.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
日本是0.04ppm，韓國基本上是不得檢出，個案是0.01ppm，我們這次在ART之後，你要放寬到0.09ppm，這是不是事實？ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-04-15T10:11:39.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-04-15T10:11:41.391000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
我們找到的數據是不是事實？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-04-15T10:11:41.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-04-15T10:11:52.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
就是暴增到9倍，在這樣的情況底下，你在邊境還不逐批抽檢，那你怎麼知道它有沒有超過這個標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-04-15T10:11:53.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:03.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
先跟委員報告一下，ART的內容其實針對的是，我們採取的是國際標準，就是Codex的標準，如果Codex沒有訂，才會有另外一部分的思考。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:03.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:05.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
那我就問你，對豬雜碎你到底訂多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:06.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:10.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
我們對於相關的規定，是以國際對接的方式來進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:10.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:10.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
那有什麼國際標準？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:10.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:11.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
日本是0.04ppm，韓國是0.01ppm啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:13.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:16.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
我們這邊是跟Codex對接。 |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:16.499000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:17.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
所以就是0.09ppm嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:17.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:19+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
對，跟Codex對接。 |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:19.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:31.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
那我要問你，你現在對豬雜的萊劑容許量跟原來的相比是暴增到9倍，在這樣的情況底下，你在邊境又不採取百分之百逐批查驗。 |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:32.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:50.449000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
我讓你看一個數字，就是美國的豬內臟進到臺灣，以現在跟114年比較，114年已經來到7,681公噸，我就問你這些豬雜、豬內臟的流向都流到哪裡去？ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:51.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:57.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
未來在ART之後它的含量是增加到9倍，你要不要管制？ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.826 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:57.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:57.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
它是不是流向小吃攤？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2026-04-15T10:12:57.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2026-04-15T10:12:58.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
我們還有縣市鼓勵大家吃臺灣豬，舉辦了小吃大賽，包括黑白切，今天的這些豬雜其實就是黑白切裡面的一些食材。 |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:11.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:30.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
我跟委員澄清一下這些資訊，在豬肝、豬腎的部分，日本、韓國、新加坡的標準都是跟Codex一致，我們現在也是跟Codex一致，也就是說，在肝的部分是0.04ppm、腎的部分是0.09ppm…… |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:30.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:31.383000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
還有其他的豬雜，還有豬腸。 |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0.273 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:30.943000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:38.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
其他豬隻可食用部位是採取其中較低者，我們的標準都會跟Codex一致。 |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:39.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:40.406000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
你的較低者是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:40.486000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:42.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
就是0.09ppm嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:42.047000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:44.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
不是，我們是肝、腎，其他的…… |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:44.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:47.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
好，那我就問你，豬大腸是多少？ |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:48.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:53.577000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
其他部分如果我們沒有個別去訂的話，就是採肝、腎比較低的，就是0.04ppm。 |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0.71 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:53.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:53.817000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
豬大腸現在是0.04ppm？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:53.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:54.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
那豬肝連呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2026-04-15T10:13:54.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2026-04-15T10:13:54.317000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
豬肝連是算肌肉。 |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:06.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:08.076000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
它沒有算在豬雜裡面？沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:09.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:09.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
臉頰肉也是肌肉？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:10.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:12.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
所以是0.01ppm？ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:12.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:13.021000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
肉就是0.01ppm。 |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:12.642000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:13.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
現在大腸、小腸是0.04ppm？ |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:13.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:14.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
0.04ppm。 |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:13.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:14.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
但是肝、腎是0.09ppm？ |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:14.424000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:15.766000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
不是，肝是0.04ppm，腎是0.09ppm，這個都是Codex的標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:22.246000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:23.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
所以其他部分並沒有比日、韓高？ |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:24.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:26.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
沒有，日、韓、新加坡都一致。 |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:26.970000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:27.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
那你提供相關數據給我。 |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:28.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:30.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
沒有問題，我們把國際對照…… |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:31.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:32.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
就是跟各國對照的數據，我現在最關切的是冷凍豬雜…… |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0.364 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:32.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:38.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
我們跟澳洲、日本、韓國、新加坡都是一致的，肝是0.04ppm，腎是0.09ppm。 |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0.655 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:41.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:43.761000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
好，你要確定這些數據是正確的。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:43.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:48.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
然後你要提供給我，因為根據我們辦公室找到的資料，我們現在是比日、韓還要高。 |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:49.222000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:55.164000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
沒有，我們跟日、韓一樣，我們是按照Codex的標準，他們也是Codex的標準。 |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:55.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2026-04-15T10:14:57.085000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
他們兩個的標準也不一樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2026-04-15T10:14:57.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:00.686000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
沒有，他們兩個的標準就是Codex的標準，我們這邊看到的就是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:00.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:03.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
好，你把資料提供給我，我會再去核對。 |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:03.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:05.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
我們會把這個資料給委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.091 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:05.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:14.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
我們現在顯然是放寬，然後在放寬之後，我要問你的就是這些冷凍豬雜的流向到底是流去哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:14.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:20.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
我們現在市面上其實都看不到，然後它未來的含量是變高的，請問這些部分是流向哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:20.571000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:21.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
你們有掌握嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:23.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:28.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
如果以114年來講，7,681公噸豬雜的流向是流去哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:28.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:29.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
是做成什麼食品？ |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:30.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:32.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
是流到了小吃攤嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:32.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:34.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
你們整個食藥署到底有沒有掌握流向？ |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[182].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[182].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:34.923000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[182].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:56.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[182].text |
跟委員報告，關於從美國進口的其他可食部位，在今年度進來的是1,746噸，今年的數字目前是這樣，我們特別看了一下其中有沒有所謂的豬腎，其實是都沒有進來。 |
| transcript.gazette[182].quality |
0.754 |
| transcript.gazette[183].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[183].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:56.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[183].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:57.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[183].text |
你這個是今年的數字？ |
| transcript.gazette[183].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[184].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[184].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:56.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[184].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:57.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[184].text |
對，是今年度最新的。 |
| transcript.gazette[184].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[185].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[185].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:57.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[185].end |
2026-04-15T10:15:59.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[185].text |
那去年呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[185].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[186].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[186].start |
2026-04-15T10:15:59.080000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[186].end |
2026-04-15T10:16:03.163000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[186].text |
我們從整體看起來，進口豬是占8%，有92%是我們的臺灣豬。 |
| transcript.gazette[186].quality |
0.522 |
| transcript.gazette[187].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[187].start |
2026-04-15T10:16:04.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[187].end |
2026-04-15T10:16:10.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[187].text |
我想要知道它的流向到底是流去哪裡，因為市面上大家都不知道，你們沒有在做標示，也沒有人看到。 |
| transcript.gazette[187].quality |
0.805 |
| transcript.gazette[188].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[188].start |
2026-04-15T10:16:11.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[188].end |
2026-04-15T10:16:27.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[188].text |
跟委員說明，關於原料的原產地，我們現在對包裝食品、散裝食品或直供場所都有去稽查，在去年度我們整個稽查了九千多件，有兩件沒有標示好，這兩件都是臺灣豬沒有標好，不管是臺灣豬還是國外豬，我們通通都會來…… |
| transcript.gazette[188].quality |
0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[189].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[189].start |
2026-04-15T10:16:27.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[189].end |
2026-04-15T10:16:29.516000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[189].text |
好，那你給我一個報告，你要告訴我，以114年為例，這些進口豬雜的品項、流向還有比例占多少，你們都有掌握？ |
| transcript.gazette[189].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[190].speaker |
姜署長至剛 |
| transcript.gazette[190].start |
2026-04-15T10:16:29.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[190].end |
2026-04-15T10:16:29.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[190].text |
對，都有掌握，非常確實的掌握。 |
| transcript.gazette[190].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[191].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[191].start |
2026-04-15T10:16:29.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[191].end |
2026-04-15T10:16:30.077000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[191].text |
好，把報告提供給我。好的。 |
| transcript.gazette[191].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[192].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[192].start |
2026-04-15T10:16:45.655000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[192].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:10.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[192].text |
因為民眾都不知道，這是食安的問題，在你們一開放之後，事實上我們吃到的比例就會高，我們國人的食用習慣是習慣去吃這些內臟，所以這個部分你們要把關好食安，我覺得民眾有選擇權，基本上，我是反對在食安裡面去做讓步的，我們臺美的經貿要做一些交換，有很多可以交換，但是食品安全不能交換。 |
| transcript.gazette[192].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[193].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[193].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:10.909000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[193].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:18.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[193].text |
最後我還要提醒一點，就是基改食品絕對不能進校園，部長，你可以承諾嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[193].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[194].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[194].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:18.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[194].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:33.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[194].text |
跟委員說明，我的立場跟您一樣，健康不能退讓，我們所有的調整還有跟國際接軌也都是經過健康風險評估，我們會來把關，對基改的所有管理作為沒有任何改變。 |
| transcript.gazette[194].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[195].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[195].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:34.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[195].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:35.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[195].text |
不會進校園？ |
| transcript.gazette[195].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[196].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:35.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[196].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:36.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[196].text |
對，不會。 |
| transcript.gazette[196].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[197].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[197].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:35.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[197].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:36.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[197].text |
我要你承諾，不會嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[197].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[198].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:36.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[198].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:38.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[198].text |
不會，沒有改變。 |
| transcript.gazette[198].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[199].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[199].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:38.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[199].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:44.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[199].text |
這是很多家長很擔心的，怕我們一讓再讓之後，孩子的健康都被出賣了，這個是絕對不允許的。 |
| transcript.gazette[199].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[200].speaker |
王委員育敏 |
| transcript.gazette[200].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:44.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[200].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:44.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[200].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[200].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[201].speaker |
石部長崇良 |
| transcript.gazette[201].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:45.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[201].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:46.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[201].text |
謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[201].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[202].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[202].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:46.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[202].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:47.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[202].text |
謝謝王育敏委員的質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[202].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[203].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[203].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:47.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[203].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:53.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[203].text |
在此宣告待會在邱慧洳委員詢答完以後休息10分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[203].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[204].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[204].start |
2026-04-15T10:17:54.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[204].end |
2026-04-15T10:17:57.017143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[204].text |
現在請蘇清泉委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[204].quality |
0 |