| IVOD_ID |
168527 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168527 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-15T09:43:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-15T09:56:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/3ec77822e2e6eae36ffc0753c3fa76008ea785098ebfecd5957eaa2632da1fa18a3d5adc657703f85ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:52 - 09:56:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請衛生福利部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室、經濟部、農業部、教育部就「美國貿易代表署發布《2026年各國貿易評估報告》（2026NTE）提及技術性貿易壁壘或食品安全檢驗與動植物防疫檢疫SPS）壁壘之豬肉、牛肉與牛肉產品、β促進劑的最大殘留容許量等各項食農相關產品及技術之要求，我國所承諾之措施、移除產品禁令或取消輸入口岸檢疫程序等，並特就其中開放切片馬鈴薯帶芽（或腐爛或發黴）仍能整批進口與其敦促撤銷基改食品進校園，對我國食品安全造成之衝擊與因應作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請衛生福利部、農業部、行政院消費者保護處就「寵物用藥新制上路在即，犬貓及非經濟動物急重症醫療銜接、藥品流向管理、飼主取得可近性與消費權益保障之整體配套」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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好 謝謝主席 請部長還有環境署署長 委員長 請市部長讓江市長休息 |
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這其實今天委員會感謝召我特別排這個專案報告基本上就是因為這個戰友是從經濟委員會延燒到衛航委員會那兩個主體不一樣兩個現在你看一個是部長一個是其他農業部的署長在這邊講相關的這個人類用藥跟動物用藥基本上就已經有邏輯上的一個衝突了然後113你去訂定的這個相關的管理辦法最終農業部 |
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面對這麼多的毛爸毛媽的這樣的一個抗議然後藥局的反彈然後獸醫師的沒辦法得到正確的未來執行的一個方式哪有一個行政機關組織機關定的辦法經過兩年的洗禮兩年的討論兩年的多方的這樣的接觸最終最終要把它廢掉 |
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那怎麼會 現場 現場表決是不是次長 署長 對不起不好意思你們的次長是用舉手表決把你們訂了公告兩年多的辦法 |
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要把它延期那延期不代表問題解決對不對那你現在剛剛因為我坐在台下聽到你講的這個半島廢掉了你們要趕快 |
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這是延期喔你們市長講是延期你說要把它廢掉然後要再另立另訂新法新的辦法出來嘛對不對報告委員是註銷因為沒有實施不能用廢紙好啦註銷反正就是不見了啦簡單講就這樣嘛然後你說會訂定新的辦法出來對不對是的好多久再兩年我想然後兩年完之後再用舉手表決再把它註銷 |
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還是一年然後如果又緩談然後再把它註銷不過實際上是這樣報告委員確實這兩年的改變真的非常大你那天有沒有在現場我有在現場這兩年改變有多大這兩年有疫情這兩年有非洲出溫這兩年導致你們這個辦法基本上要透過海珍民族 |
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透過這樣的一個表決方式來註銷那天是延期啦 你現在直接在這邊宣布是註銷喔你跟次長講好了嗎 跟部長講好了嗎這個辦法就註銷 還是公告註銷還是當天就註銷了報告委員 這個真的是社會關注的當然是社會關注 今天才招委才排這個委員會嘛那你們註銷時間是什麼時候你們註銷時間是什麼時候我們應該這兩天會完成相關的公告程序 |
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所以我們的速度也相當快,也符合大家的關注跟期待你們的速度沒有相當快,速度相當快就不會搞到兩年之後你們是113年2月26號訂的你們是預計今年的7月要施行嘛對不對然後才會有這麼大的一個爭論嘛然後你們現在是延期,然後你講說要註銷了程序還沒有找到註銷,但是你們是朝向註銷嘛 |
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那你叫毛爸毛媽然後獸醫師還有藥師如果信賴你們你們在短期之內可以訂定一個新的辦法然後大家對這個辦法的內容 |
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是大家都可以接受的那如果是大家都可以接受的為什麼在7月1號上路之前為什麼不趕快去做調整修正在既有的你們已經成案然後這個管理辦公告的過程裡面去做調整去做修正哪有你們自己訂的東西然後7月1號上路然後用人民表決之後然後再延期然後現在你又宣布註銷然後你又要認定心理的辦法 |
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我聽不懂,因為我在台口我怎麼聽得懂我怎麼聽得懂怎麼會有這樣一個政府在做面對這種事情的處理方式是如此的粗糙沒關係,那你現在在答覆我,祝蕭 |
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要再訂出新的一個草案出來對不對一個辦法辦法嘛就是草案還是一個還沒有完成之前就是草案對不對然後我們跟衛福部會會嫌然後在討論的過程中現在大概都已經有聚焦衛福部為什麼要可以討論因為我們是會嫌公佈使用的是人用藥所以一定是會嫌來公佈 |
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部長剛剛已經講得很清楚,要設法規範就是人類的用藥,那你的動物用藥他為什麼要跟你溝通?那如果可以溝通為什麼你們不進場溝通?你們為什麼之前就不溝通好?你們為什麼要留在這個法註銷之後還可以溝通? |
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第一個我們是依照法規啦也就是說要是我們這條藥品販賣業者不得兼受農藥都用藥品或其他毒性化學物質所以要寫報告委員就是你們期待惡劣不修不是不是那個我要再讓我完整說明一下就是其實這個辦法之前也是依照動物保護法第四條第三條 |
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向的一個規定所延伸出來那這個因為使用到人用藥所以一定是要會嫌衛福部畢竟衛福部是我們的人用藥的主管機關而且在於人用藥這塊的管理已經數十年非常的穩健成熟那現在有很多的藥劑要轉為動保用藥當然一定要有這個衛福部食藥署一起共同大家來做討論市長你多說了嘛你們的辦法名稱你要不要唸一次給大家聽 |
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就人用藥 藥品對 用於犬貓及非經濟動物的管理辦法對 要訂這個辦法的時候對 要訂這個辦法不管母啊 豬啊 不管有沒有跟衛生部溝通過有啊 一定有嘛這個就是這樣子有一定的脈絡下來已經溝通過了嘛 對不對而且是從104年開始就不斷的溝通所以到12年的時候有三次的預告 |
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整個法規是有三次的預告三次的預告才成行所以切一號要執行嘛對不對他兩年緩衝期對嘛對嘛原本就都三次的預告之後然後切一號執行嘛對不對然後上個禮拜五用表決 |
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我應該這樣講是說說延後嘛那你現在來委會說註銷嘛我沒有聽說嘛不對嘛這個中間都有跟衛福部溝通嘛對嘛啊你現在要再怎麼溝通你把這個法廢掉之後你要再怎麼跟衛福部溝通部長這個旁邊啊我還有一點時間那你跟部長可以溝通一下嘛你們再定一個新的一個草案出來然後部長願意接受的話你們籌 |
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這個差異在什麼地方在你們這個辦法的第幾條 第一條 第二條 第三條 第五條絕對會提出一個更妥適的辦法所以就代表你們這兩年多來公告的這個法律就是不妥適嘛不是不妥適 而是時空背景兩面之下什麼叫時空背景 兩年而已啊這兩年 另外有疫情 這兩年還是叫非洲豬瘟 |
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這兩年施工背景差在什麼地方這兩年施工背景部長換人了人事物更動了所以施工背景不一樣了你去你說清楚啊我今天是要凸顯一個點啦公告三次企業要實施最終預告三次啦預告三次好最終企業要上路然後再上禮拜五 |
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現場與會的專家學者教授團體的代表毛爸媽媽舉手表決不同意好就延期你現在還宣布說直接這個辦法註銷然後要跟衛生部可以溝通要推出一個更好的符合現在時空背景的辦法你你跟我這樣聽我們是立法機關 |
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兩年的立法 時空變形不一樣你要跟我講 差在什麼地方簡單就好 時間到了差在什麼地方你訂定了一個新的辦法跟現在你們要促銷這個辦法因為時空變形的差異 差在什麼地方簡單講一下就好好 如果我這個政策的推動上在針對毛小孩 不管他將來的意願你還是沒有講重點啦 是部長不一樣了還是署長不一樣了 |
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我們要解決的事還是事的部分你講一項還是物的部分你講一項你同樣講不出來了 |
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我們還是務實的要解決這個當然是務實啊 總不務實 你們非常務實啊你們定的辦法是在讓相關的團體像讓所有的毛爸毛媽還有這些數位式的代表這個要事的代表用現場表決的多數不同意實施那就照這樣延期 然後你今天來講註銷然後你會定更好的一個方法出來 辦法出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
591.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
615.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我就聽不太懂所以我才會那可不可以就是我們會快速的來處理這個問題那也會一個禮拜對應該是一個禮拜以後我不是說定辦法而是相關的程序對各界呼應最重要的這個一個的期待的部分我想我們都可以來做最快是什麼時候嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
615.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
635.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
一個禮拜一個月應該是在這幾天應該如果是拍板定案應該就就會對外界的公告也就是說這個辦法不會實施那不會實施就不會有現在所產生的這一些的問題包括夜間包括你你事主要自行到要舉一次購買 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
636.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
652.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
一次性 一支性 然後一個這樣的一個束縛還有標籤的束縛 那還有這些像譬如說氧氣桶氧氣桶的供應的問題等等這些實務上的問題大概都可以解決今天張委在排這樣一個專報告 應該署長你來要叫做有備而來 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
657.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
679.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
可是我覺得你們有備而來反而會讓我覺得你們已經前面捅了一個窟窿這麼大了然後這麼大的一個讓外界對政府訂定的相關的這樣的一個管理辦法是用一個表決的方式來讓它予以延期之後然後又要再訂定一個新的辦法然後到現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
680.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
699.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
講的是會更加周全因為施工背景不一樣所以原有的辦法裡面主動願意把它廢棄掉把它註銷掉但是你還是一樣沒有辦法答覆委員會說那你新的辦法的範疇內容到底跟外務部的溝通會不會更加的順暢 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
700.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
714.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
然後引論而解的是在第幾條裡面的範圍是已經跟衛務部還有相關的單位相關的分局代表都已經溝通了所以訂這個辦法之後預告應該可以很盡快的就來做這個程序上的動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
715.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
735.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
包括委員我剛剛應該答覆的內容是肯定的也就是說剛剛所講說兩部之間的溝通的會議朝向的方向解決的目標其實這個都已經有快速的凝聚共識了所以我們就可以往這個更周延的辦法那我就聽你一句話叫你的快速是多快速一個禮拜兩個禮拜三個禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
744.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
745.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
好 謝謝主席 |