| IVOD_ID |
168510 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168510 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-14T15:25:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-14T15:41:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/226eb22ddfd9792f846a6af262d3254fec314df46cb6092325b10b4e100d60735656869f75d93f9c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李彥秀 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:25:26 - 15:41:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第6次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，針對第11屆第4會期第2次會議報告事項第29案行政院函請審議「115年度中央政府總預算案（含附屬單位預算及綜計表－營業及非營業部分）」院會所作之決定提出復議。是否有當？請公決案等4案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。（4月14日下午）三、4月10日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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我是不是可以邀請卓院長好 請卓院長備詢李委員好 |
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院長好辛苦了今年2月24號我特別關注到賴總統參加我們台商的青春活動的時候特別提出一些善意出來稱對岸為中國大陸或者是大陸這在兩岸的關係上事實上是非常善意的跟過去以往的稱對岸的方式是不一樣我關注到那這個在新聞上都可以看得到 |
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賴總統過去他在當賴市長的時候他有提出說他的政策是親中愛台兩岸是朋友甚至是之前也有提到在疫情過後他也提到說兩岸事實上疫情過後觀光其實是可以春暖花開的時候這過去點點滴滴其實都是賴總統或者甚至是賴市長曾經講過的話不是李燕秀說的 |
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那其實雖然國民黨跟民進黨在很多國家的政策方向上有一些不一樣但是我深信我們都有共同的目標我們共同目標就是讓台灣的人民過更好的生活我們可能議題意見上有所不一樣但是我覺得都是可以溝通那特別是 |
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大陸提出來的會台的十項政策已經推出三天了我相信各部會應該都有盤點過我相信你們也做過評估跟研究剛才前委員包括洪孟凱委員也提出來這十項當中院長到底有沒有哪一項你覺得是可以進一步做研究還是你認為這十項完全都不行第一項我沒有意見 |
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是那接下來其他的呢包括有一些其實不是每一項都一定跟我們各部會有關係譬如說農產品相關的包括農業進口優惠跟檢疫便利的措施這是在對岸可以做決定包括放寬台灣的隱私作品引進的限制還有包括協助台商在大陸投資有金融貸款過稅收專案支持等等這都是涉及對岸的部分那所以有一些是要我們各部會 |
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不需要支持有一些是民眾直接過去就可以去處理所以我想請問一下院長就是說對於大陸這十項善意我不知道你怎麼看沒關係就有一些是我們不會要做決定我就不再重複做贅述這十項是不是您都認為不可行還是您認為有一兩項 |
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你的看法到底是什麼總歸的講有幾項是幾乎大部分過去都談過了是但是時開時停有時候有有時候沒有有時候可以禁沒關係院長因為我們今天時間很寶貴那我對這個有問題的就是比方說第五項 |
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在堅持九二共識反對台獨政治基礎上建立溝通機制未符合檢驗檢疫標準的台灣農漁產品輸入中國台灣農漁產品輸入中國跟九二共識反對台獨有什麼意思 |
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院长我想是这样子我想是这样子农民对于很多实质的内容面大家都等了很久包括观光业也等很久我等一下会进入我的质询就是说有几项牵涉到 |
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對岸他要不要支持他就可以進去有一些事當然說我們跨部會要配合所以我尊重你的意見但是我只是要提醒我們來看一下幾個問題包括恢復觀光的部分我們都知道過去從2017年開始我們的旅客包括我們現在到我們現在觀光的產值在現在為止已經有7000億的逆差 |
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這對我們來說在觀光業來說是一個非常大的打擊就是說我們過去兩岸停止交流之後過去顧客占了22%這對我們影響非常的大所以我要請問就是說過去在這段時間我們無論是大兩會我們可能停止溝通但是小兩會我們是有 |
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有機會一直在談的所以賴總統一直提說春暖那現在天氣熱到底花開不開所以在這個部分的善意到底我們後續怎麼去做處理您的看法到底是如何補委員談出可能應該是最後這一項推動恢復上海及福建省居民赴台個人旅遊試點 |
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我支持郊遊小兩會先去談 |
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因為這個上海及福建省這個例子過去在2011、2019也有開放47個城市要來自由行結果2019突然就停下來了那在2025年我曾經開放上海要到金馬我尊重所以現在大陸已經提出善意所以有一些你也可以同意說讓他們繼續去溝通如果可行就往下走是這樣子嗎 |
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要經過有公權力的機關去進行我知道 我同意吧有一些是文化部分有一些是大陸他們就可以自己做的嘛但是剛剛那個前提要在就是要健康有序 對等尊嚴而且不是在挑戰不太前提對 我當然同意那個餘產我不曉得委員怎麼去談 |
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這個部分我接下來要談農業的部分農業的部分我們過去五年農產品的出口創新低雖然過去我們無論編列海外拓展的預算包括外銷運輸的補貼這幾項我們都有編但是過去五年台灣的農業的產值輸出的部分將近衰退了400億的台幣 |
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針對這一點我們現在在台美關稅談判未來美國黃小玉的進口對我們農業來說也會有一定的衝擊所以在這一塊我要請問包括過去這幾年我們對大陸市場也好我們衰退32%對美國的農產品的輸出的部分我們也下降了6.2對日本也下降6.2新南向國家無論是越南、泰國、日本我們也都往下衰在農業的部分 |
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我們在這一波關稅的特別條例當中對農產品的補助相關的補助我覺得我們是勢必要再加強包括我剛才跟院長報告那些數據所以接下來無論是對美的農業的進口也好或者是我們現在無論是市場我們市場分散來去做處理看起來全數從數據上看起來全部都下降所以到底我們對於 |
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農民的協助幫忙到底是什麼就是說你不要大陸市場也沒有關係但是我們現在看到其他新南向的市場國家這些市場包括對日本美國韓國我們都已經下降那怎麼辦呢我跟委員報告第一個部分就是您剛才所提的數據有一大部分是中國在110年開始就陸續停止了我們非常多的農產品好我們不講中國其他包括對美國對日本 |
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對 芬蘭亞好幾個國家都下降中國以外的輸出我們是從110年的36.9億到部長 我提高了不是 我說中國以外的我們是提高的對於整個農產品輸出的部分還有包括接下來美國我們要進口美國農產品黃小玉 |
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這個對台灣的農業來說是有一定的衝擊所以我們關稅條例裡面才有對比我們從美國進口黃小玉是對台灣有利的因為是我們台灣需求台灣沒有生產台灣的玉米其他的農業包括會有一定的衝擊沒關係術士會告訴我們所以院長就是說 |
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這些農業農民我們都擔心說農民覺得賺不到錢所以很多年輕人就不願意投入這是我們接下來擔心我們怎麼樣去讓我們糧食農業有足夠的我們自己的自食的自己有生產的能力不要以後不要靠完全進口萬一有打仗什麼這都不可預知所以這一塊我是提醒要注意我們不要特定市場但是我覺得分散市場是勢必 |
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我們一直在說多元的高端市場的開拓特別是在 也不能只有高端市場農民有各式各樣的農民當然高端市場我們要各式各樣市場我們都需要這是我要提醒部長的立場對 農產品的出口過去五年我知道 院長所以我才說大陸市場可以在對等尊嚴之下我才提醒說不應該放棄 |
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院長我才說我們不應該放棄任何一個特定市場我講跟委員報告以農業部的立場我們對農產品是支持健康有序的一個農產貿易但是不支持片面的一個決定的一個機制因為所有的農產品都要透過雙方的檢驗單位去協商部長為農民著想 |
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573.549 |
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596.289 |
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積極去溝通 我同意在對等尊嚴之下我也支持在對等尊嚴之下兩岸的檢疫要協商 他們都不理我們在這個前提之下我們怎麼樣去現在大家國人都在看因為現在無人觀光也好 農民也好都希望這時尚善意大家可以有機會往前走所以我們希望有機會大家也持續的溝通 持續的談 |
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597.35 |
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626.629 |
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另外一個院長因為我今天時間有限我還是關注一下301條款明天就是4月15號4月15號很快就到了那301條款接下來我們要提出書面的評論跟公聽會那5月5號要在美國華盛頓召開公聽會這個部分我們準備好了沒有因為這一次他提出來是包括對於晶片不公平的產能過剩跟強迫勞動的部分為什麼我今天特別提到這件事情因為對我們來說半導體跟晶片 |
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626.769 |
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653.961 |
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金片對我們來說太重要了我聽到的是半導體產業他們都擔心說三一條款到時候如果談得不好對他們來說增加關稅等等當然站在他們立場產業界有憂慮是應該的 合理的因為這是增加他們的成本我們到底有沒有信心因為川普又一直不斷在講說台灣搶走美國金片的工作機會而且美國貿易代表署格里爾也說過 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
655.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
656.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
到底對於301後續的溝通協調 |
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我們有沒有信心可以通過三零一的考驗過去這一個半月以來雖然我們非常用力在處理中東的情勢的整個安定民生的重要工作但是沒有放棄在對美談判當中有沒有信心可以通過三零一的考驗我們在前這一兩天啦 前一兩天尤其是放假的連假的一兩天因為思緒化馬上就到我們準備好回一個對 我們還在那一兩天我們還在緊鑼密鼓的包括這個禮拜六禮拜天還在準備工作那目前我們還沒準備好 |
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699.941 |
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718.095 |
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準備好了那我們這次會派5月5號會派人過去溝通嗎因為他是5月5號要去在美國華盛頓召開公聽會一定會有相對的層級的過去會派誰呢我們駐美的代表會有派人去參加 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
719.102 |
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743.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
會跟美方是相對層級的人員來參加資料我們要談判的內容我們都準備妥當院長辛苦了我覺得談判都很辛苦嚴慧心副總代表的事件她也點出一些核心的問題台灣在國際貿易的談判的角色事實上越來越重要我們經貿辦事處它是一個任務編組 |
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745.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
760.731 |
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符不符合未來我們台灣在國際貿易上半導體晶片我們這個任務編組到底足不足夠是我關注的我覺得人才培訓不管政黨輪不輪替這些人才對我們來說對國家來說都很重要 |
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780.206 |
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所以未來會不會設置談判官甚至未來會不會設置一個常態化的辦公室而不是只有一個臨時編制就是說人才的培育國家的公務人員人才培育都很重要我們可以從一個科長未來處長慢慢生才能變成副代表然後變成代表談判團隊其中一員 |
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781.067 |
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810.687 |
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那未來我們會不會有這樣子的角色跟常設常態化的辦公室去做談判的工作所以在國際上無論是RCEP或CPTPP或者是現在跟美國的談判未來會不會有談判官是 隨著台灣在國際經貿地位上越發的重要這種常設性的談判機構過去我們是沒有這樣的 我們是這麼編組這一次我們在對美談判開始之後我們已經編了六位的常設的文官在裡面了 |
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812.828 |
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我們觀察其他國家各個國家的這種談判的機構我覺得我們是有必要做這樣的檢討 |
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826.218 |
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843.875 |
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院長就是說我覺得我們過去常在講說分散投資分散投資產業分散投資不是只有對美因為關注一下過去我們對美的貿易順差本來是700多億後來過了今年又是1400多億這個當然數字很漂亮我很高興那但是 |
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873.049 |
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相對的我覺得我們都希望市場分散所以接下來過去蔡英文總統有新南向政策在很多不同的產業鏈當然半導體是我們其中很重要的一塊那未來我們的分散市場包括歐洲市場這些未來會不會持續的有一個新的不同的目標在做其實以台灣為中心點我們南向 西進 東拓 北合都是我們可以往全球各地去發展的 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
874.609 |
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890.758 |
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蔡總統的正在有一個新南向辦公室有哪些措施未來賴總統會不會也有我們包括我們對歐盟其實歐洲跟我們過去的陌生跟現在的感覺是完全不同的那我們在南向國家當中我們也會選擇跟我們可以更加合作的國家 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
892.799 |
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920.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
我希望南向或歐洲國家未來會有一個更明確的一些你們要怎麼做的做法出來因為這次通膨後續主席講說4月1號後續通膨的狀況會慢慢顯露出來那包括最近我們關注的機票這個燃油附加稅一下也調到很多包括國內短程漲了15塊美金長程會漲到117塊很多人都擔心說漲的時候就不會回來那包括韓國有一個石油的 |
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940.345 |
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940.865 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝李委員 謝謝 |