| IVOD_ID |
168411 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168411 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T12:52:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T13:13:37+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:20:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc75fed620a9060ef36d16b10bbffbc7f67c5b9733af610d7e517444451dbb786d95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:52:42 - 13:13:37 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請運動部部長李洋列席就「如何落實全民運動、協助學校專項運動發展及運動科學發展成效之檢討等議題」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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今天繼續開會 請羅廷威委員進行詢答好 謝謝主席 有請部長請部長 謝謝好 部長 今天聽了這麼多質詢 也要跟你問一下擔任部長應該已經七個月了 |
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對吧對有沒有什麼心得感想跟委員您報告那這段時間其實也接受到非常多來自運動員以及各方對於運動部的期待那我們希望說我們在這一塊可以更加符合民意期待的運動部那我們也真的正在往這個方向努力 |
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好 我們正在往這個方向努力但我們希望速度可以加緊七個月業務應該上手等一下詢問的問題我也希望盡可能都是由部長自己來回答也讓社會大眾知道部長對業務的掌握程度 |
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當初賴總統來請你擔任部長是看重你一定了解運動員的辛苦找你來幫運動員一個忙找你來協助運動員的生涯規劃怎麼走怎麼規劃怎麼守護權益希望可以許他們一個美好的未來但是部長接任部長以後呢你應該會比較忙忙到自己該做的事情可能沒有做到這個我們要來探討一下 |
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2025年10月23日新闻提及郑立军强调政府推动运动协会的改革最终的目标是确保协会的治理能够更加的良善让运动员能够更完善的支持权益的保障此外运动团体的构成多元不仅包含各单项的委员会 |
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还有我们看到协会以及工会的组织请运动部持续重视工会团体代表的建议未来规划相关的咨询会议跟小组广邀工会代表参与共同促进运动政策的全面发展部长 |
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鄭麗君副院長在談話的時候你也坐在旁邊喔請問五個月過去了針對運動部持續重視工會團體的代表建議未來規劃相關的諮詢會議相關的小組廣邀工會代表參與的這個部分這個事情外界關心運動部是否有這樣的方向推動具體的作為請問 |
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做了些什麼跟委員您報告首先我自己個人本人開了跟運動員運動選手開了三次的諮詢委員會那也了解到了非常多不同運動種類的這個訴求運動員 |
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這是第一點這是運動員那第二個那在特定體育團體的部分我們有運動委員會以及在最近的特定體育團體改選的情況下我們將這個選訓委員會這個單項委員會的選訓委員會分別為這個將人數變成 |
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運動專業人士法律專業人士以及國家級裁判以及A級裁判各一名那在近八年擔任國家隊選手以及曾經擔任過國家隊教練的部分那至少要置兩名然後其中一名為主委那希望將選訓委員會也就是我們在選拔給運動員的最高的這個部分我們可以將他還給專業 |
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納入專業的意見但是我想問一下請問有跟棒球、籌籃、足球三個公會的理事長見過面了嗎棒球、籌籃、足球三個公會的理事長三個公會的理事長目前確實還沒有見到面我想如果沒有見面我想已經五、六個月後了那部長您在忙什麼呢 |
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跟委員您報告那在這部分我們希望建立更加制度化的在補助給這個特定體育團體所以在這段期間其實我開的這個審查會議不下20幾場那其實每一次我們從過去的這個審查裡面我們也更加建立制度的比如說過去可能經費非常龐大它並沒有一個經費多少錢然後會治委員多少人那過去其實就 |
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比如說五億的預算那可能只有僅僅三名外部委員那現在我們將依據這個金額的數字至會計以及這個法律專業人士來一同審查那目前來講在這二十幾場裡面我們總共替納稅人審下近三億元的補鞭你有做事我們一定是認可也一定承認所以剛剛是問你你有做的部分我們都 |
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非常的嘉許但目前我也有指出嘛你有部分的團體沒有去見到面嘛那這是鄭麗君希望你做的嘛對不對你應該要加強時間趕緊排我知道你很忙但是還是要擠出時間跟他們見面謝謝委員不是不只他們在跟我反映很多團體都在反映啊再來部長你知道台灣拿奧運的金牌大概有幾位嗎 |
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總共不到十位吧不到十位奧運金牌嘛奧運金牌我十位對對十位那十位裡面能夠擔任部長的有幾位目前擔任部長目前應該一位只有你一位所以剛剛前面都在講金牌部長你是不是金牌部長 |
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你一定是金牌選手但現在我們希望你能夠朝向金牌部長來邁進我坦白講啊你給國人給所有立法委員我們給予你的期待很高所以你的壓力一定很重但我們希望是真正做出改革而不是只有做出一些亮點而已 |
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點線面把它做起來加油謝謝委員你知道預算法54條在寫什麼嗎想跟你請問一下 |
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跟委員您報告詳細的部分我確實沒有但我確定知道我們運動部不能超支去年體育署的編列所以你就固定的話語嘛那沒關係簡單來講預算法我們可以看到畫面當中它保障了我們在去年相關的一個預算數可以沿用那今年是不能夠超支的對吧就符合你剛剛講的對嗎 |
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我們沒有辦法超支去年體育署上半年度的預算對啊那我想問一下喔所以部長我想請問一下我剛剛一直在跟你講另外一個問題上次你來跟我拜會的時候我是不是也有跟你談論過我們在台中運動中心的一個興建是的有印象嗎當然當時您給我的回覆是什麼還記得嗎我們會來沿你跟行政院爭取 |
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你跟行政院諮詢嘛希望給他建議嘛那希望說行政院能夠同意嘛公建計劃能夠因為你說相關的預算不是已經用完了對不對今年要再提的話希望行政院硬體的部分公建計劃嘛是的對吧我沒有忘記吧目前確實是這樣方署長 |
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當時我們在聊的時候你也在旁邊我們說這一個運動中心它因為是公建計劃相關的預算目前是沒有的那要跟行政院提希望行政院能夠通過公建計劃我們才能夠來報給立法院對吧 沒有錯吧我們現在在優化計劃確實正在修正 |
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對嘛 還沒有送給行政院吧送了嗎 送了 送了 送了行政院同意了嗎優化計畫的部分還所以我要講的就很簡單嘛我們看到了這一張預算表115年度運動部的預算書139頁他說優化全民運動與賽會的環境總計畫 |
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以及所提到的相關的本科目所編列的一些預算我們都可以看到第一你有編列那行政院還沒有通過所以我不知道說您在面對彰化縣王惠美縣長的時候他要跟你請託相關的一些場館興建有什麼好不能收的為什麼要扯預算沒過 |
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那你要扯預算沒過 我拜託你 你要講是行政院目前還沒給你通過不是 這樣簡單一句把它變成新聞然後全民覺得哎呀 市立法院沒有通過這個預算這個我要講啊預算沒過 今天在這邊包括你上次跟我私底下聊我們是公建計畫還沒有報啊 已經報了報給行政院 行政院沒通過 |
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怎麼現在好像扯到是立法院是藍白山預算藍白砍預算藍白黨預算啊這個後面你沒有講啊你沒有講我知道但我要期許的是我剛剛講的你是金牌部長的一個期許政治少一點那回話精準一點拜託你或許你無心之過 |
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我也不能夠直接就壓著你說這一定是你講錯話你一定要汙衊藍白沒關係我們今天平心而論但拜託你精準的講話你有報給行政院了行政院還沒有通過怎麼會變成外界一直在揣摩是藍白所以這個部分我希望透過今天要來講那部長就你對預算的了解這是延續型的計劃嗎 |
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是是嘛對不對所以延續行政計畫它也是可以繼續執行的所以從113年開始執行依你對預算編列的一個理解那請問它是哪一年核定113年它是行政院112年 |
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12月3日12年核定然後113年執行謝謝委員好沒關係沒關係這個計畫早在112年行政院就已經核定它是延續型的計畫所以既然是延續型的計畫為什麼王惠美縣長拜託你的時候你一開始要拒絕準不準是一回事啊我認為在未來你一定會擔任部長會持續遇到相信我有一天你走在路上 |
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甚至你在看那個棒球的時候你在做法的時候都有可能有人拿著牛皮子袋過來找你啊只要裡面是有關於公益的我認為接受陳情沒有不妥但是你一定要跟他回應 |
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我收案了但是我們依照規定來處理了解我認為這個是應該人之常情的您覺得呢?跟委員您報告其實當下我有跟縣長你說就是請他提正式發函我們運動部覺得會入案因為畢竟但是你也看到了畫面不這樣呈現啊 |
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所有的新聞就是你直接拒絕啊然後說預算沒過啊我認為在當下您是好意但被操作的這些新聞變成壞意那您就收下嘛就直接跟他講嘛就說我們依規定辦理是延續型的就延續型做是新興的就新興計畫還沒通過 |
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你就這樣照實講嘛但我要補充的是新興計畫我們也通過了那再來部長你自己在今年1月1日運動部的臉書錄了一段影片你說啊延續性的計畫30.2億其中延續性的計畫大多為優化整建全民運動設施的部分對吧 |
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這不是我錄的那個影片,這是我在那個行政院後的記者會的發言謝謝委員,不好意思運動部幫你錄的啦,不是你自錄啦,但是是你發言對吧不是AI吧不是不是不是,我是自己部長您其實都知道,知道延續型的計畫不影響但是我們不希望刻意誤導社會大眾 |
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部長你來找我聊天的時候我就已經再次強調了你是向行政院爭取公建計畫那目前的進度你有掌握行政院什麼時候會去審什麼時候會通過嗎公建計畫的部分嗎對對對你剛說優化優化這部分我們之前已經送給行政院行政院的國發會又回給我們運動部來做修正然後 |
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三月底又再送一次三月底發文回來請我們修正那我們最近正在做修正所以你還在修正嘛所以今天很確定嘛你還在修正嘛行政院請你提出修正嘛就行政院都還沒同意嘛今天我要講這一段直播 |
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全體國人會看所以我希望大家要稍微了解一下延續的都不影響新計劃也我們已經核准了為什麼因為立法院3月6日就同意行政院先行動之38項具急迫性的新興計劃嘛總金額718億嘛我們全民都在等卓榮泰嘛那再來卓榮泰說不要違法我們立的法他就已經很多都不附屬了還不要違法再來主計長都在講了可以先動用 |
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對不對立法院都已經把新興計畫都已經先行動之了運動部自己又不用這是主管機關的失職吧所以我要講的是說門打開了燈也開了路也鋪好運動部自己站在門口不進去還回頭說門沒開這種說法社會大陸能夠接受嗎我要講的是主計長都說以行文可先行動之了怎麼還有 |
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執政黨的委員在今天的委員會大言不慚地一直講藍白黨預算所以我今天另外要再講的是針對學校運動設施設備的補助案運動部與教育部召開至少七次會議在七次的會議當中就如同今天運動部所告知的規劃就是運動部只負責棒球場跟足球場其餘運動設施都是教育部負責你覺得這樣的分工合理嗎 |
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跟委員您報告這是在我上任之前就已經完成的分工那除了硬體設備以外我們在學校體育的部分我們也有包含這個專任運動教練我們也有棒壘球的教練的計畫還有全中運全大運等等的計畫也都是由我們運動部來負責我想部長全國高中學校以下同時擁有棒球場跟足球場的學校有多少你有掌握嗎棒球跟足球 |
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跟委員您報告那今年的話我們目前棒球場的部分收案至少一百一百多件那收案啊我說同時擁有棒球場跟足球場的學校這個確實我沒有掌握我想你應該先去釐清一下因為在這樣子的狀況之下我要認為啊公立的私立的 |
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我們到底有現在多少的需求就像你剛說的有提出需求100多那目前他們現況如何主動去查詢一下 |
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那我們也希望說今天我會提這樣子的一個議題議程就是希望在分工上能夠更明確那你跟我講說很明確了教育部跟我講說沒有啊我覺得這不是我應該要找運動部啊到底是你們兩邊誰說謊講清楚說明白今天不是只有我在幫台中市所有的委員都會遇到 |
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我們新北業人之委員也很關心所以我相信他一定會再給我多一點時間繼續講那他也會遇到在爭取校園設施的時候你們分工不清他也一定會拜託召委幫他排審考察除非他不想要我幫他排考察那他就會催促我下來 |
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那您看嘛他就有需求所以我今天一定要釐清嘛為什麼我們現在運動部在主推學校棒球跟足球其他項目不用羽球不用網球不用射箭不用這些都是很重要的奧運項目呢 |
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那怎麼運動部都沒有在處理所以我想問一下每一年運動部能夠規劃真正能夠增加多少學校符合標準的棒球場跟足球場您覺得可以增加多少?現在如果我們目前覺得產業都一個 |
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呃 跟委員您報告 那我們你剛說收件一百多 多件嘛呃 棒 棒足 案件收件一百多件對對對 所以我現在問你啊棒足啊 你可以完成多少件啊那 跟 嗯 跟委員您報告那目前我們編列的預算是三億那我不太敢保證 說這個可以完成多少件但我們都會積極來在棒足這一塊所以你也看到三億大概不夠這一百件申請了 對不對確實 確實 對嘛 |
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那我們是不是應該提出更多的需求給行政院如果這一百件有人多提的我們抓大概三成四成通過好不好那大概三十件四十件能不能三億給他們就都蓋得到我認為很難 |
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跟我有您報告在明年的預算編列我們確實在這一塊我們有增加編列的需求所以我們也有在明年的預算編列有多增加編列好那我還有一題啦但是因為剛剛趙偉站起來了那就這樣子我們今天就質詢到這邊但我要跟你講就是說不管我今天我最後也想問你這個我想補充問你一個問題不好意思3月1號運動幣會上場對嗎 |
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剛剛你提的3月1號運動幣會上場有嗎?有這件事嗎?我看到剛剛表格有委員提到你運動幣大概什麼時候會執行?之前已經抽完然後已經開始了已經發完了發完開始領完然後正在都有一些這個抵押發了嘛對不對?發了怎麼樣?有領嗎?大家都全部都有領嗎?有沒有八成九成領?三成了已經領了領了三成?對那發了多少錢?大概就好 |
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三億的三成九千萬吧如果按照數字的這三億的三成應該是九千萬好 去年有運動幣嗎去年是青春動資券那我們希望說在就是轉計劃嘛去年是應該講說它是延續優化可以這樣說嗎 |
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那對嘛不是說沒錢賴清德都說謊都說預算是零明明就在發明明已經拿了三成延續優化公務員您報告這個可能還是要確認一下這是基金的錢我跟你講我只是一個例子而已任何一件事情不管是基金不管是預算我們剛剛還是回到預算法 |
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我只是隨便舉一個例子而已那這個部分包括你今天填寫你也說你要輔導他們用基金的部分嘛所以有辦法就找辦法而不是直接就說我們預算的問題那精準來面對更多的一些新聞議題我想這個部分還是要拜託你我們政治少一點運動多一點大家一起加油我相信你目前都做得到我們持續下去好嗎謝謝文 |