| IVOD_ID |
168342 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168342 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-36,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T10:09:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T10:19:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc722a3de5a60c271179dfcc871f89f4d358ce3249aa741ed410c48c7cb505eef785ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:09:42 - 10:19:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。
【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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好謝謝主席請備題名人沒關係你可以喝水好我們請備題名人上來好那個備題名人我想請問一下因為在昨天召開的公聽會裡面各媒體非常重視的也就是我們那個高檢署主任檢察官陳鴻達他的這個發言 |
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因為我也看了這個相關的報告他大概是裡面偏扶最多的我也把它看完了那請問一下被提名人您對於陳宏達主任檢察官對您的指教還有對線下就是我們檢察總長的這個職權功能角色你同意嗎還是你覺得有部分你是不以為然的 |
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好 柯委員報告那可能陳主任陳主任是我非常敬重的學長他一直以來對司法獨立是不遺離的這是值得我們敬佩的那他可能質疑到可能沒有當過二審的檢察長以及北檢的檢察長他認為你的資歷不夠 |
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那我想我們檢查生涯就是這幾年而已那可能長官賦予我們的任務我們必須要去接受然後去接受挑戰去磨練那每個人沒有辦法預先為自己規劃說我這一站在哪裡下一站在哪裡所以檢查總長從來在你的生涯規劃裡面有想過嗎從來沒有過因為我的目標是台中高分檢的主任檢察官而已那 |
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那司法人員認識人事條例16條規定的三款室友我是符合我是有時任檢察官超過20年以上所以我是符合那至於領導才能的部分他其中有一個重點他認為你的就是你的歷練裡面包含法務部次長 |
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包括這個國安局副局長會使得你有具有政務官的濃厚政治性而沒有辦法在你就任檢察總長之後可以斬斷這些黨政人脈的關係那你覺得他這樣的疑慮存在嗎 |
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保安委員我想陳主任的疑慮是多的因為我剛才有特別的提到說可以去檢視我在國安局副局長我做過的事情以及我當法務部的政務次長我做過的事情都是在為國家安全為我們保護的政策來推動 |
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哪一項是政治性的行為沒有啊我們在這裡修打詐司法在這裡修刑法哪一個是為政治的都是為全民的利益啊所以這種考慮我覺得職位不是重點是在於人的心如果我是一個公正的人我是一個守法的人我想去哪個位置會不會跳離法律的規範 |
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我覺得大家會有這樣的質疑其實我看了你的履歷跟你過去的辦案老師說現任的檢察總長邢太昭他應該要負最大責任因為他一個非常濃厚的政治性他過去他在擔任檢察總長之前他太多政治辦案老師說我憑良心講我覺得被提名人我反而看不到 |
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因為邢太昭的爭議把檢察總長的位置做到爛了讓大家沒有辦法信任檢察總長他是不是一個真的獨立超然的一個角色比如說最近就是三中案他過去邢太昭追殺這個三中案馬英九總統 |
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現在到二審到二審去年底他還是無罪還是無罪結果呢好像高檢署還要準備再繼續上訴這個一個這麼在國內政治來說這麼明顯的一個政治案件搞到二審都無罪了還要繼續的上訴好第二個 |
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我們為什麼一直非常擔心政治辦案馬上今年年底九合一選舉明年是總統大選在之前也就是韓國瑜院長參選總統的那一次突然出現了一個王立強的共諜案還有向心案當時啊這個政治性辦案到什麼程度先是把這個向心的夫婦她是從這個香港過來 |
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然後先是辦他是共諜案共諜共諜辦不下去了結果就說辦你洗錢洗錢辦不下去通通無罪通通沒事結果這對夫妻在台灣被限制出境將近四年之久老實講我覺得這都是我們司法的恥辱啦 |
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為了配合一個總統選舉可以政治辦案到這種地步過去邢太昭還有什麼最近我們在討論能源問題當時台電有一個比較大的停電案他還去辦基層的員工 |
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老實講他還用什麼用國安層級來辦他說他們呢可能違反了什麼就說是影響什麼公用事業的然後召集所有檢察官因為那時候有很多停電注意有沒有有心人士故意要造成恐慌一個停電案變成去用司法的層級去辦就政治的層級去辦基層的員工真的是可忍孰不可忍更不要說 |
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剛才也有委員在非常關心的就是有關於柯文哲案中的北檢洩密案有沒有涉及不法虛晃一招啊那時候習太太說痛心疾首啊要辦 辦了之後不了了之所以 被提名人 |
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你在這個此時此刻 你當然認為你過去的辦案 你是中規中矩啦我憑良心 我看到你的案子 不像習太昭這麼離譜可是非常重要一點 如果你真的有幸當上檢察總長 我覺得一定要把這樣的一個這麼濃厚的這種政治的色彩 一定要盡量盡量的降低 |
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最近韓國有一個他們的司法改革嘛他其實他是要修憲啦他們的改革其中就是限縮檢察官的調查權為什麼呢他覺得從他們過去幾次的政爭也好政治事件也好檢察官的權力太大了檢察官一再的涉入政治鬥爭裡面 |
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然後他們認為應該要現做檢察官檢察官其實我們因為時間關係其實有太多要請教你啦別說無限的抗告檢察官可以一直抗告一直抗告我們希望二審能夠抗告法院能夠直接做裁定這個我美中贊成原來司法院提出來的修正草案他們自為裁定就好大家就不要再有分別不要再抗告了對不對他們只要做確定的 |
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那我請問一下我剛才特別提到像這個三中案作為一個前總統戰經全國嘛已經十幾年了十多年老想最近大家還討論的馬總統健康狀態說實在一個人十幾年這樣子的一個司法的這樣子追溯下來二審都無罪了結果說還要上訴 |
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沒完沒了所以我要講的就是說我們檢察官握有太大的一個權利了真的太大的權利要羈押也是你不羈押也是你那個交保不交保也是你起不起訴也是你 |
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你的新政已成 最後就會變成 尤其我們過去我剛談到有這麼多的一個根本跟政治有非常大關係 而且在選舉期間去辦這種案子辦了四年下來 什麼都沒有 選舉也選舉完了然後人民的權利也被你 也被你限縮了所以我真的一個期許 我認為啊雖然我是作為在野黨 但我認為你的狀況 我認為是比形態糟好太多了啦 |
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可是我也很擔心在現在的政治氛圍下以及我們對檢察官的這樣的一個權利之下權利不能濫用我同意你同意對不對權利不能濫用不要到韓國大家受不了了最後要修憲去限縮在國會限縮檢察官的一個權利檢察官真的不能作為政治的打手這個是我最高最高的一個呼籲好不好是好謝謝王洪 |