| IVOD_ID |
168313 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168313 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-36,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
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司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T09:18:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T09:27:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc703ff12b275a03aa99dfcc871f89f4d35ce3311c87f2344396246a27f61d679685ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:18:09 - 09:27:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。
【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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請問我們台灣民眾黨團提出的被提名人的問卷調查表請問是否都是您親自回答上面的問題是都是您親自回答 |
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請問您還記得您開頭是怎麼回答嗎?是,我記得 |
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您在開頭說這個資料上有在過去會看到的司法關說或上級施壓已經看不太到了那我想先請教這個被提名人您所謂的上級施壓具體內容是什麼是怎麼樣的施壓法 |
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好啦我講我個人的實際案例啦我想以前那很早很早真的很早以前至少二十幾年前的麻煩您就是什麼樣的施壓法可能也不會非常明確的告訴你你要怎麼做而是會暗示你說這個案子呢是不是再多聽聽被告的說法 |
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類似像這樣子的但是現在幾乎沒有發生過這種事情而且大院通過的刑罰172條之三已經有所謂的不當關說罪雖然您說現在已經不太看到這樣的上級施壓但是這個說法我還是大大 |
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打一個這個很大的問號啦您同時也認為在制度上還是仍要有一套機制避免司法到政治力不當介入這個我給予肯定但是無論是社會各界或檢察官的內部其實都認為政治力的幽魂是持續在檢查體系中擺盪的請問被提名人檢察官內部的類似的聲音你曾經知悉或聽聞過嗎你有感受到嗎 |
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最近沒有聽過沒有真的都沒有嗎是沒有為什麼我會說政治力的幽魂是持續在檢查體系當中擺盪呢我先請教貝提敏一個問題檢察官的人事升遷日常考評職涯發展由誰控制由誰決定 |
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我們現在的人是我們有一個檢審會委員應該知道我們的檢審會的組成是民選的委員多於我們官方指定的委員那依照這個檢察官職務評定辦法檢察官的日常考評是掌握在檢察長的手上那檢察長是誰派的那部長 |
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檢審會通過 也是官派嘛 不不不 委員我這個要補充一下檢審委員 我們民選的檢審委員提出的名單 那個名單已經框住了所以說今天這個不是單純部長一個任命 而是在 |
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而是在提名的因為我的時間有限,今天我們的召委特別嚴格您真是認為沒有人可以去控制檢審會嗎?檢審會有17個成員,都是檢察官組成這個OK,法務部長派4位那檢察總長是當然委員如果您當選,你還可以另外再派3位就是說法務部長加上檢察總長方的人大概就有8位那剩下的9位,雖然好像是全體的檢察官票選 |
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那似乎可以制衡官派的人事意見事實上的實踐不是這麼一回事我以主任檢察官的遴選為例地檢署可以提出排名單法務部長還可以自己放入想要的人選一起交由檢審會依照法務部檢察官人士審議委員會的審議規則來審議這個部份部長都沒有放進去 |
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檢審會會從名單提出一份當年的職缺1.5倍的主任檢察官的人選交給法務部長圈選整個程序當中檢審會的組成圈選的決定法務部長是一個非常重要非常關鍵其實他就是決定者 對嗎 |
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可是決定的範圍也只在檢審委員提出來的名單裡面我知道我知道法務部長是誰派的行政院派行政院長派的行政院長是誰派的總統派的也就是說掌握行政權的執政黨透過行政權掌握檢察官的人士是足以控制檢察官成為政治辦案的工具喔如果你想要把 |
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檢察官把政治力的幽魂從檢察體系驅除驅離的話就必須要一個完全獨立的檢察官人事審議制度好 請問這個被提名人你知道美國的州檢察官是怎麼出現的嗎是怎麼產生的嗎 您知道嗎選舉 選舉您知道嗎好 這是人民選舉的人民選舉的 任期兩年到八年不等好 我再請教被提名人您認為檢察體系當中是否存在揣摩上意的檢察官 請回答 |
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有沒有存在這樣的人?揣摩上意的檢察官?有或沒有?這我不清楚您不清楚當檢察官的人事考的升遷都掌握在行政權的長官這邊必然是存在揣摩上意的檢察官這是人性啊我覺得揣摩上意的檢察官就不配當檢察官地檢署檢證性啊什麼叫人性啊檢察官要地檢署檢證性要辦一堆案子 |
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每個月要新收偵查案大概超過百件喔但身上主任檢察官或當上這個高檢署的檢察官案件量會大減啦那麼檢察官會不會想要往上爬啊當然會啊但是當制度沒有辦法克服人性齁 |
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但是你又會讓長官看到讓長官滿意揣摩上意的簡寬就自然就油然產生同樣的上級的施壓也就會存在只是說上級的施壓可能不是單純的你剛剛提到的施以壓力而是再加上升遷 |
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升遷的利誘這個利誘高檢署陳孔達主任檢察官在2023年曾公開發文我愛凱撒我更愛羅馬堅持捍衛司法獨立的核心價值他批評當時的法務部對全台檢查首長大調動仇庸心腹打壓異己 |
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您在回答給我們黨團的問卷當中有說檢查人事調動是否具備公信力應該由社會大眾還有檢查同仁來共同來評價你也說人事遷調不應該也不能成為酬庸但我不需要說社會大眾身為檢察官以及跟身為檢察官的陳宏達主任檢察官都已經給出這樣的評價了就是酬庸心腹請問被提名的您身為檢察這個檢審會的當然委員你還可以指派三名委員 |
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您會做出如何跟現任的檢察總長這個刑態照中的不一樣的處理方式還是你是行規徐隨呢你如何讓人事這個簽調不成為酬庸呢你有什麼想法 |
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我們會嚴格審查每一個入選的候選人如果是有像委員所講的這些我們一定把它剔除掉當您的長官現任檢察總統的形態之後可以讓辦柯文哲案有功的即便是違法實質的江振裕容身二審檢察官林靜元檢察官不證問訊的事實容身主任檢察官嚴仲慶身主任檢察官唐仲慶身主任檢察官請問 |
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你如何評價這樣的升官發達請你評論我想我跟你有不同的看法我們這些檢察官一直以來長期以來超過十幾年以來都是非常認真守法非常認真優秀的檢察官不會因為不是因為一個個案他就生了什麼東西 |
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你認為他們表現非常優秀有嚴守你剛剛的口頭報告裡面的完美進展而且這一個案子到底檢察官是不是優秀正直社會自然有公辦你應該看過任何民調為什麼台灣人民對司法的信任度民調永遠只有30到40分 |
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他是死當欸離及格非常遙遠欸檢察官辦案有50%就是絕對會對我們有不好的印象因為他可能是被告可能是不起訴署份的告訴人他本來就有一半的人他不贊同我們所以用民調來評價檢察官這是不公平的但是我還是要講一句話 |
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如果人民對司法的信心信任度是離及格非常遙遠而且是死蕩的話台灣今天要談民主是非常奢侈的台灣大概沒有資格去談這個司法這也是我們努力的目標好 謝謝謝謝陳昭之委員 |