| IVOD_ID |
168311 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168311 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-36,15-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-09T09:09:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-09T09:17:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fe6424cd58e46bc766c24088e5c930c39dfcc871f89f4d35ce3311c87f2344392a5e3ee0d4b51e7c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳宗憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:09:33 - 09:17:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制、內政委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查「總統咨，為最高檢察署檢察總長邢泰釗任期於115年5月7日屆滿，茲依法院組織法第66條第2項規定，提名徐錫祥為最高檢察署檢察總長，咨請同意案」案。
【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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謝主席我們請那個被提名人請被提名人 |
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好 徐貝提名人您好我想這個我們自己我們你我都是從基層檢察官出來的所以我們很清楚一個檢察首長我們要的其實是一個敢守誠意正義敢扛政治責任還有替基層扛住整個制度底線的這個檢察首長那我先請教一個問題啦就今年的3月26號總統太院長他說任何質疑任何質疑執政黨可以操控司法人沒有資格成為執政黨 |
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但是賴總統去年他在民進黨中常會他又說大家都可以在個案審理中檢視司法審理的規範那一個說人民可以檢視 一個又說沒有資格我想請教您 人民到底可不可以質疑司法有沒有受到政治影響我想委員你也當過檢察官就直接回答 人民可不可以質疑 |
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人民要相信司法我們的所有的檢察官或者是法官我們依法來做偵查審判我們心裡有一把刺啊人民可不可以質疑你還是沒有回答過人民要做怎樣的想法我沒有辦法去約束我也沒辦法被評斷說他是對還是錯但是我想思想是自由的所以他要怎麼想我們不能用任何規範去限制他好那不然這樣好了那我換個問題問啦 |
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您認為行政院院長他說質疑任何質疑執政黨可以操控司法人都沒有資格成為執政黨請問您認同這句話嗎這句話應該有它深層的一點含義就是說如果一個執政黨是認為司法是不公的那他就不能成為執政黨我想這樣的解讀應該是比較精確的不是欸不是欸應該是因為 |
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民進黨在野的時候也經常質疑司法那難道他就不適合成為執政黨嗎我認為這是一個因為您剛剛的報告其實一直有講到司法獨立不受政治影響嘛您的書面報告也有但在這第一個問題裡面你就沒有給我答案了那我怎麼能夠相信說你將來在擔任檢察總長的時候你有那個勇氣感跟現在執政黨對抗不是 這不是對抗這是堅持 |
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對抗跟堅持是不一樣的這不是文字遊戲啊沒有文字遊戲對抗跟堅持今天如果執政黨他惡搞那他要用政治力介入司法的時候你有沒有勇氣跟他對抗嘛 |
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身為一個檢察官就好 不要到總長任何一個非法的干涉 我們一定要有自己就有勇敢的去捍衛不是這樣繞來繞去我覺得還是沒有高拖你的政務官的包袱啦因為我知道您是政事嘛 那也做過這個國安局的副局長嘛 |
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那當然這就是外界給您的質疑啦那我今天第一個問題其實很簡單就是說當院長說出這個我們認為不妥的話為什麼司法不能夠質疑那只要有人質疑的話那就不適合擔任執政黨那這個話其實不對啊因為民進黨在野的時候常在質疑甚至他的黨綱裡面的行動綱領也有要求要司法獨立那不是也一種質疑嗎那難道就不適合嗎我剛才特別強調就是說思想是沒有辦法限制的 |
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240.206 |
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我想這個要質疑沒有人有辦法限制好那你贊不贊成你贊不贊成卓榮泰院長的這句話您贊不贊成委員單單的一句話叫我是贊不贊成我只能說不能說司法不公好那我知道我們不可以質疑司法不公嘛好不好那您這樣講我也無話可說我只能跟你講一件事啦現在司法對人民對司法信任度 |
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那是我們大家都要檢討的事情如果都認為說司法我們檢察官做你人民不可以質疑或執政在野黨不可以質疑那就不對啦應該是說 任何東西都可以被質疑吧應該是說 增審的一些作為我們可以來檢討他妥不妥適但是整體來講我想司法人員委員你也當過司法人員我們心中的那一把指 |
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是需要被肯定我還是講的是人民對不然這樣好了因為時間的關係我直接給你跳到一個問題來我問一下這次北檢清潔監察院的那個案子當然我先講一個北檢清潔監察院的那個用公務車那個案子我覺得裡面問題非常的多 |
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301.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
那一段時間曾經有個清潔隊員他曾經送一個老婦人一個幾十塊的電鍋然後他被起訴是貪污罪條例第六條那五年以上的重罪那我今天的問題是在於說北檢的檢察官 清潔的理由是說這個油錢他事後有付了 |
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320.657 |
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那請問一下那車輛的消耗或者是司機的有兼常用雇用這個都不用管嗎那我去搭計程車坐了10公里可不可以說我就付你一公升油錢就好那其他費用我都不出好那這個只是我就事實面的論述但是我也要請教你一個問題啦我們這個是符合牽結的理由嗎 |
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342.138 |
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我們簽結有簽結的要件耶 這可以直接簽結嗎我們那個高檢署還有各地檢署辦理他這案件注意事項第三點裡面 得報請簽結的理由只有這些啊 這六點啊那請問一下 監察院那個案子人事實地物都是明確而且濫用公務車這個事實也明確 憑什麼簽結 |
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我以前接過很多案子亂告,我以前辦樹炭也接過很多亂告但那個一眼就知道這胡扯嘛什麼什麼我接過某某人把他家的電梯裡面塗滿什麼排泄物然後讓他沒辦法搭電梯下去這個東西一看就知道有問題但是這一次的監察院的這個簽結我覺得莫名其妙來請問一下被提名的你有什麼看法完全不符合定型注意事項裡面的各項規定而且人事實地物都是明確的 |
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請問你有什麼看法這個案子的話應該是沒有人告訴告發應該是明確定的不是我問東寧又答西冷我說他不符合陰性注意事項的簽結規定因為人事實地物每一個都清楚這件事情給我一個感觸就是說原來只要大官犯案 |
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422.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
找盡理由幫他牽結小小的清潔隊員的一個小事三十幾塊的東西用貪污之類條例來處理如果事實面我們不論述我們尊重檢察官的認定的話但至少程序面他不符合牽結的規定啊牽結要點第三點的六款請問他符合哪一款好 請問您對這個有什麼看法 |
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452.586 |
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我們兩個當過檢察官都知道說其實他有一個地方是比較可以有一點權宜有時候我們會選擇用簽結有時候我們會做一個不起訴處分書我個人認為如果能夠有一個不起訴處分書會比較好這對於被調查的人也給他一個確定的結果我個人感覺這樣是比較好的所以至少在本案的時候 |
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469.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
是不是其實您也是比較支持說甲官應該用不起訴處分的方式來處理可以檢討這個可能性因為是這樣子對被調查的人也比較公平那我這邊也跟那個被庭名人報告這件事情我個人完全不認同 |
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北檢的這個論述這個用牽結的方式北檢怎麼認定這是事實的認定我們基本上都予以尊重你說他有付油錢其他的耗損他都不當一回事這個檢察官這麼認定這麼奇怪我們就算了這是事實面我尊重他但是程序面他就不符合印行注意事項的牽結規定而且在人事實地物都明確的情況下還敢用牽結這種我以前我當蘇貪檢察官當11年我不敢這麼做 |
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501.136 |
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501.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
好 謝謝 |