| IVOD_ID |
168295 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168295 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T12:38:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T12:44:25+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb019d2140353eb85c6a7afadf2dd1952ec3efd812baa63ee58f8e03f26c378850b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:38:44 - 12:44:25 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「台美關稅協定（ART）中關於『擴大採購及購買』（原油、天然氣、發電設備等）項目之評估、規劃及涉及之問題與工作，並就台灣中油股份有限公司之增資案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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麻煩請經濟部長,謝謝主席好,經濟部管部長好,主席好今天大家擔心能源是真的發現我們台灣的能源韌性好像蠻脆弱的啦以前台灣都一直講韌性但是一遇到中中戰時大家手忙腳亂 |
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但是我覺得好像比其他國家要好耶像韓國跟日本還有東南亞部長不要比爛啦好不好謝謝來這邊跟你提醒幾件事情第一個我們講任性除了我們要去搶足夠天然氣之外我現在發現另外一個問題就是我們的接收站除潮的接收站的負債比 |
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已經超過100了 這個是你已經知道嗎你知道嗎比較除少比較不夠嘛 不夠嘛那其他國家 全球大家普遍認為這個負載率大概應該是在40%到50%才是安全的負載區間日本大概是在34 韓國大概是在39但我們已經超過100 我們現在去年是107啦那我想先問一下部長你覺得負載率這樣那麼高會有出現什麼問題 |
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所以我們盡量再實施看有新的燭潮也好或者是那個聯通管來紓壓部長我是問說會有什麼問題接收站也盡量來增加負載率如果說一直那麼高會有什麼問題會不會有安全的問題我們盡量把它可控會有安全的問題嗎第二個會有調度的問題嗎 |
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你如果接收站要稅休它的使用頻率已經那麼高了如果要稅休的情況之下只要一個稅休其他調度會調不過來啊所以光是接收站的韌性也有問題啊那當然你剛剛提到都是你要解決的方法嘛但是你解決的方法也可能會遇到一些阻礙我現在不是在跟你講那些問題現在是提醒你說我們的韌性已經不是說去國際上面搶氣的問題而已連這個接收站的負載率都超過100 |
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然後是107的,這是很大問題然後第二個齁,剛剛部長一直在回答說我們現在要多元,多元嘛對不對就跟不同國家去買天然氣那實際上跟美國買也有一個問題就是當然歡迎去跟美國買,沒有說阻礙啦但是美國他的傳奇是40天嘛那一般中東大概是十幾天對不對 |
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中東大概是十幾年左右嘛是委員所講的沒錯 從中東過來是比較近中東比較近啦 美國要四十天 阿曼大概十六天 澳洲大概十天那你美國如果配比很高的話 四十天 四十天風險就很高啊碰到颱風啊 或碰到什麼狀況啊 四十天在海上所以這也是一個問題 我覺得你也要去考慮它傳奇過長的問題 |
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這個也是一個部分所以不要一直講多元兩制多元兩制然後就說反正我們就分散買了就沒有我們的事沒有有很多狀況還是要去克服還有一個因為我們現在多元調度啊那多元調度每一個國家的天然氣它的熱值不一樣嘛這個周遊應該知道嘛所以他進到我們的接收站裡面他要去做調整啊今天是卡達的來我要去調一次 |
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然後美國來我要去調然後澳洲來我要去調啊我現在接收站的負載率已經超過100%了已經這麼忙了喔然後沒事還要一直去調這些東西那你的那個調度更捉襟見肘嘛不知道你知道對啊你們有沒有去思考這些問題 |
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是 這個部分我們都掌握在這些問題我們都掌握在手上所以這個在熱值本身的調控上我們已經有一個很完整的機制那麼在傳奇上做一些因為以前沒有那麼多元嘛現在越來越多元了嘛越多元的調控要花的功夫或時間又更長啊是是是是所以我講這個好我現在講之前大家你們都不聽嘛就是說你不能夠把能源配比 |
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靠那麼多的天然氣嘛50%的天然氣就會 你看一發生那個中東戰事就出現了要去搶貨就出現了你看我現在講那個接收站的一頭拉苦的問題 |
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如果你的配比不要那麼多天然氣你那種核能你不要把它停掉或者是其他的不會造成今天這個狀況啦我覺得既然發生了我們大家就就事論事我希望說經濟部可以好好去思考一下能源配比的問題那我再提醒一件事情你可以去行政院的那個淨零碳排的網站看一下你知道2050年行政院的目標發電大概60%到70% |
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是再生能源裡面還是講說主要要以光電跟風電為主你知道嗎這個可以去改一下了啦你覺得風電跟光電還有可能未來是2050年是我們的主要發電方式嗎而且我們2050年AI的發展到時候用電量會是現在兩倍啊我們的光電跟風電有可能忽然間變那麼多嗎部長你去看一下行政院的淨零碳的網站到現在還在講說六七成再生能源 |
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然後主要以光電跟風電為主趁這個機會把能源好好的這個檢討一下提出一個新的願景出來 謝謝好 謝謝葉元之 |