| IVOD_ID |
168284 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168284 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T12:12:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T12:21:09+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb0df746dd14a7d08871607b63c45e41aa03efd812baa63ee58046b0eefe8e5e5315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:12:20 - 12:21:09 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出「國家情報工作暨國家安全局業務報告」，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席是不是請國安局蔡局長我們請蔡局長 |
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謝謝主席 邱委員好邱委員您今天的報告 我想跟您請教 討論幾個問題有關於這個美國在印太的這些戰略要建構拒止防禦的體系以美日同盟為核心搭配美日加N大概很具體就是韓國 菲律賓 澳洲 |
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澳飛這個建立起一個應待安全合作機制在四個面向指揮整合 臨演聯訓導練惡控跟後勤支援台灣有沒有可能成為N的部分但是不是四項都參與啦我意思說是不是指揮整合也可以跟美日來提出這個要求 |
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後勤資源我們也可以扮演一定的角色你如果說要連演連訓可能目前階段有一定的難度可不可以從這兩個部分去切入國家有沒有這個戰略怎麼樣去融入美日加恩的這個安保體系 |
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對 現在確實美國印太戰略很強調是島鏈的阻絕防禦的網絡雙邊的網絡 多邊的網絡那在過程當中委員有提到台灣怎麼樣切入這個網絡來串聯起我們跟友盟一個更堅強的一個防線那不過委員剛剛所提到的不管是連眼聯訊或後勤補給因為它比較涉及到的是國防部的業務啦我比較不適合在國防部 國防部很多同仁也在嘛對啊 比較不適合講給國防部聽啦現在是國防部來 我還在問 |
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特別是針對指揮整合後勤資源這是比較相對不是這個實兵演練的這些工作可以循序漸進的來推進所以我覺得國安局應該統合國防部跟外交部 |
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來推動這個台灣加入美日加N的這個體系裡面你一定要有做法你要有策略你才能想辦法去執行如果連想都沒有這永遠不可能達成另外我最近看到日本防衛大臣跟外務大臣跟法國的防衛大臣就是他們的國防部長跟外交部長2 plus 22 plus 2 |
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台灣有沒有可能有跟其他國家有官方政府間的2 plus 2針對國防外交的議題當然國會有 政黨也有國會跟日本有2 plus 2主要是針對這個安全跟這個外交政黨也有 |
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國家間 台灣國家間能不能推動跟友好國家的2 plus 2有沒有可能我想任何可能性都存在有一些這種雙多邊的合作也都有在推展只是可能沒有辦法你確定有在推展 |
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有在接觸也都有在推展我們剛剛也跟委員在EU報告有提到包括供應鏈的韌性防衛裝備的零組件的生產美國也邀請我們用顧問的身份來參加韌性夥伴會議不太可能一次到部長層級你可以到次長層級 |
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循序漸進這個一定要做不是可能性而已可能性你要把它變成一個事實對台灣的安全至關重要另外這個日本南韓跟澳大利亞這個軍工產業的非紅供應鏈這個台灣有沒有這個積極去爭取加入 |
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我剛有提到美國是用顧問的身份邀請我們參加那個任性夥伴關係的計劃裡面去那這部分就是有點在針對那個軍需產品的飛鴻供應鏈這個不是美國啊 是日本南韓跟澳洲我可以再翻到那個 |
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你翻到哪裡?翻到第六項,第六項就講到全球對於供應安全的重視那一段你們有這個想法,而且有做法,而且是在做,這樣我就比較放心了另外你的報告裡面提到中國啊,中國面臨國內外治理風險風險很多種,超高風險、高風險、中路風險跟低風險 |
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這個國安局的研判中共目前面臨的國內國外的治理風險是屬於哪一個層級的風險 |
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總共有四個選項 超高風險 高風險 中風險 低風險委員有自己的四個風險的指標 不同風險指標的定義是什麼但是可以跟委員講的是風險在升高當中是由哪邊升到哪裡 從低升到中 還是中升到高持續升高當中 |
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沒有天花板因為我不知道委員每個層級的定義是什麼我就沒有辦法針對目前的現況來符合到委員的定義三年之內他會垮台是高風險一年之內會垮台超高風險十年之後會垮台可能是主中風險二十年之後才會垮台是低風險治理住不好一定會垮台嘛對不對我剛剛講到我的標準 |
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326.743 |
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340.368 |
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自理的風險在升高過程當中我們要注意但是中共也有它的一些因應內部問題的一些方式所以它是一個動態的過程他們因應的方式您知道嗎 您有掌握嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
365.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
有啊,他們現在加強內部的內控內管,所以這部分...那我再繼續請教你,國外的治理風險能不能具體說明一下,他們國外的治理風險在哪裡?外部的治理風險我們在夜報當中特別提到的是美中的關係啦,那因為美國對中國不管是在地緣政治、科技管制、經貿還有關稅政策上都給中國蠻大的壓力,所以這造成中國在有內部問題的同時還要因應到外部的一個美國的一個施壓。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
387.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
同時美國友盟也在進行這種非紅供應鏈的重組那這也讓中國的產業在發展過程當中被排擠在非紅供應鏈之外內外交迫對 所以它外部確實有這些的問題內外交迫另外 FOIP 自由開放的印太這個當然是安倍首相所提出來的 已經十年前提出來的每日都有相關的 FOIP 的戰略 |
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399.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
我們有沒有POIP這相關的戰略規劃那基本上是符合我們的國家安全利益也就是說維持一個印太自由開放但要有能夠有效參與 |
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421.618 |
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這對我們也很重要跟我們說明一下在印太的自由開放裡面台海的和平穩定應該是最重要的一個那你要怎麼去做這不是一個口號沒有口號這也是我們剛剛一直在呼籲可能在一些國防的投資上面也要注意到周邊國家在這一方面都有相當緊急的建制我們目標是要POIP |
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422.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
430.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
要建立一個自由開放的印太要怎麼去建立要怎麼去達成一定要有相關的做法而且要去執行最後一個問題請問這個調查局陳局長年底 |
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439.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
453.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
九合一的選舉年底九合一選舉非常複雜基層里長到縣市所長議員全部參選九合一是這個會影響選舉公平大概中國的屆選中國屆選剛剛局長已經答了很多了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
481.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
這個會選的部分就需要調查局所以住區 住縣 住處的所有同仁調查局的同仁都非常優秀是 謝謝他們在辦理各項業務都很嚴謹所以查會是非常重要所以你要局長重視你這個局裡面的同仁就會重視每一個處 比方說高雄處 台南處什麼你只要下達這個嚴打 嚴查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
502.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
這個會選他就不會那麼猖獗還是有會選會選會嚴重影響跟我們報告我已經在二月的時候召集所有的內外勤的主管已經下達了這個工作指令就已經開始在做這個規劃跟部署然後要有績效 |
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505.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
528.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
這個要讓這個想要賄選的人不敢賄選之前的這些部署很重要是你不知道事後你全面展開的時候你的能力可能也不夠去去查事前的這些部署讓這些想要買票純粹運動的人不敢動這部分再拜託局長夾大力道好沒有問題謝謝委員支持 |