| IVOD_ID |
168282 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168282 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T12:10:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T12:17:52+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:56 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb0c2d7f03f4aebb9fba7afadf2dd1952ec3efd812baa63ee58f0c8cd608c1fd9b75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:10:56 - 12:17:52 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「台美關稅協定（ART）中關於『擴大採購及購買』（原油、天然氣、發電設備等）項目之評估、規劃及涉及之問題與工作，並就台灣中油股份有限公司之增資案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席我在這邊邀請我們中油公司王董事長還有我們的經濟部長在這裡 |
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很簡單啦好謝謝部長我想先就叫我們方董事長中友啊從我們的資料從委員的執行就109年就虧嘛一直持續的虧損難免的虧損我們是一個公司發人質整個經營啊得一個效率造成虧損的原因我們應該要去探討 |
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那今天我忽然覺得美國跟伊朗的戰爭搞不好就變成你中友要來提爭執最好的理由跟藉口因為政策的使然我們要平穩物價所有的一個油價的反應政策經濟部行政院就要你中友攜手那你 |
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在去年提出一個增資案嘛對不對四年要3500億那也一直沒辦法確定一直到現在你經濟部這邊也正式收到你的這個增資案的一個第一年的一個需求嘛1687億對不對我請問部長 |
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他提出這樣的一個政治部長你會認為夠嗎如果戰爭持續的發生另外在我們中友還有程序我們的ART我們對美的一個擴大採購444億美金這樣的一個處理下去中友的政治該怎麼處理我先問部長 |
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你會覺得中央應該怎麼增資所謂的增資是為了它設備增加比如說設備增加了嗎就是天然氣的接收站要建置啊等等所以它的增資完全是因為它的設備要增加好我請當總市長你提一下你增資的理由 |
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政治的理由就是剛剛部長提到了嘛就是我們一些天然氣的建設它是需要天然氣的建設它是資本性的長期支出嘛對不對所以才要增加好那我請教你現在你的虧損累積虧損怎麼處理 |
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你要調整油價嗎?因為你的爭執是要做資本的支出嘛那我請教你現在累積虧損對 差不多了差不多嘛這個累積的虧損要漲油價嗎? |
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是要漲油價所以累積虧損是要用漲油價來處理嗎不是不是你剛剛是這樣回答的喔那我問你來 部長有解報回去嗎為了物價穩定可以漲價嗎不是因為油價有你把真知講得清清楚楚啦對 油價有公司嘛有兩個公司那照公司來講應該不會虧錢啊 |
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那個公司是現在來講吸收大部分所以現在來講他吸收的絕大部分一個公司制度如果有價你們有那個機制怎麼會處理到虧損目前從109年的累積虧損到現在絕對就是 |
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有問題如果這個虧損是因為政策死難因為政策那你就明明白白跟我們講跟國人同胞講因為政策死難我中油啊吸收了油價就成本所以我的累積虧損現在就是藉由美國跟伊朗的戰爭我一次要政治我要彌補 |
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填補我的虧損我的答案是這樣啊針織的部分是未來投資新的設備需要而定那吸收政策吸收的部分是我們希望用撥補的方式但是我們會僅限於這一次他針織1687億嘛那你撥補多少給他 |
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波普現在行政院還在討論 還不曉得數字所以爭執歸爭執 爭執跟阿中有去投資阿拉斯加的遊艇軍有沒有關係沒有關係沒有 完全沒有關係 爭執跟這個沒有關係爭執跟我們戰爭 我們產生的累積虧損沒有關係主要來講的話還是為了將來接觸那就是用波普那就要創造另外一個台電了 對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
333.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
338.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
台電為了一個電價動產那你去虧損我們撥補了3000億吧3000億我記得數字沒錯3000億那是增資啊那是增資那增資跟撥補撥補沒有那麼多 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
351.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
353.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
波普沒那麼多波普只有500億真資2500億您看到的這個3000億裡面2500億是真資500億是波普 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
367.772 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
388.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
所以我們在這邊有沒有了解為了物價的一個穩定中油就是犧牲台電因為你的LNG要跟中油買大家為了物價平衡大家都犧牲但是這個內部一定要讓全體的國人來了解中油的財務結構真的 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
391.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
407.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
極其可危台電的財務結構我們也要給它做防範所以在這樣的政策博譜之下還有政策的一個這個增資的一個情況之下我希望有一個更明確的說明給我們立法院也給我一個更明確的一個說明這樣好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝 |