| IVOD_ID |
168272 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168272 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T11:01:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T11:09:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb0a77f1dd8bb7f72ee2d46cf68b7d09b753efd812baa63ee58dbb5ddc917bcde375ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:01:02 - 11:09:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：【變更議程】
一、審查委員羅智強等23人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法增訂第二十四條之一條文草案」案。二、審查委員徐欣瑩等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第一百三十三條條文修正草案」案。三、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正草案」案。四、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條及第一百三十四條條文修正草案」案。五、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正草案」案。六、審查委員柯志恩等18人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正草案」案。七、審查委員陳菁徽等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第十四條條文修正草案」案。八、審查委員陳玉珍等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。九、審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員林淑芬等23人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員林宜瑾等22人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第十一條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。十四、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第十一條、第二十三條及第一百十七條條文修正草案」案。十五、審查委員范雲等17人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第十一條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。十六、審查委員柯志恩等17人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第十一條及第二十三條條文修正草案」案。十七、審查委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。十八、審查委員林宜瑾等20人擬具「總統副總統選舉罷免法第二十六條條文修正草案」案。
【僅詢答；第十一案及第十七案如經復議則不予審查】） |
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好我們下一位請李柏毅召委發言好有請劉部長跟中選會好麻煩部長,那中選會要請兩位處長一位就好了好那先一位王處長代表,如果說業務有分工的話再請同仁幫忙,謝謝好謝謝 |
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謝謝部長,今天其實排審的內容,召委非常有技巧召委排了包含18歲選舉權的提案以及緩刑能不能參選的提案 |
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那民進黨的委員都很認真的在表述一件事情就是我們對於18歲參選的這個權利我們表示支持那如果要在選罷法裡面修18歲參選跟憲法會遇到什麼問題那這個有兩件事情來引發來社會上的做的這個討論裡面包含 |
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大家很有共識的修完青年基本法希望在兩年內可以完成18歲公民權的修法還有在2022年的18歲公民權的投票裡面很遺憾民進黨當時也是全力投入地方的說明但是還是只有達到564萬的同意沒有達到962萬的同意 |
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那所以這個沒有沒有通過那所以就開始有討論說怎麼樣繞過修憲直接修選罷法那可以讓18歲擁有公民權這是今天民進黨大部分委員那很認真在表述我們希望支持那有哪一些論點可以支持我們的這個修法包含憲法裡面只規定20歲憲法的130條20歲有依法選舉之權包含 |
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23歲被選舉權其實是規定在選罷法裡那如果來修選罷法的被選舉權這個是沒有違憲的你從23往下降到20是沒有違憲的那現在討論的癥結就在從選罷法裡面要從20降到18這個跟憲法有沒有抵觸這個是大部分委員很認真在討論這件事情那我們還是會 |
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主張18歲是可以投票的,看用什麼方法在不違憲的情況下那或許凝聚更多的社會共識或者是釋憲都是一個很好的方法 |
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但是今天的排審裡面後面還藏有緩刑能不能參選那有幾個提案裡面包含這個選爆法第七款大家比較有共識的部分是選爆法第七款裡面針對黑金槍毒的緩刑他還是不得參選目前看到的提案是這樣但是我從過去兩年齁 |
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內政委員會還有所有委員會去到院會被院會翻案被修正動議被臨時暴力通過的議案內容大大不同我想在這邊提出一點質疑在柯文哲主席被判17年以後他已經喪失在也是在總統副總統選罷法裡面的第10款總統 |
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如果經過10年判決以上未確定他是不得登記參選為總統候選人到時候會不會在院會又多出這一條臨時修正動議我不知道 |
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那所以今天其實委員會很有可能也只是國民黨的一個伎倆就是一個過水那國民黨這個也不是沒有記錄其實也有說重度加重詐欺罪不得參選這個我覺得也可以討論那對於中選會的人事案國民黨有沒有詐騙行政院 |
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我覺得這個也可以討論啊,如果有詐騙,這個算不算加重詐騙,這個算不算加重詐欺這個也可以討論啊,重點是我們希望今天的這個排審之後的這個修法可以公開透明,透過公聽會,透過讓更多民眾、更多人民知道 |
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可能要放寬的這些緩刑的條件內容是什麼讓社會有共識再來處理那今天我的另外一個議題其實也跟能不能參選是有關係的但是剛剛王美惠委員這麼生氣劉部長你可以不用回答你先請坐因為這個是選委會要做的事情選委會這裡有一張這是全國不分區及僑選立法委員的登記表格 |
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每一個不分區委員都要登記這張表格裡面有一個候選人消極資格條件這個要簽名蓋章的候選人消極資格條件裡面 |
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好除了下列人員不得登記為候選人現役軍人現役替代義男軍事學校學生各級選委會委員然後依據法律不得參選候選人包括台灣地區人民在大陸地區設有戶籍或領有大陸地區護照是不得參選的好這裡要簽名代表你知道這件事情我想要請問一下 |
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在媒體看到李貞秀女士如果照民眾黨提出不分區應該是什麼時候要提出不分區名單什麼時候要牽結這一張所有的這些有登記不分區的委員來選委會報告委員這一屆那這個 |
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這一屆是在112年的時候辦理候選登記的也就是2023年都要繳交這一張登記的時候都要繳交你們有沒有查核這些人有沒有簽名 |
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有沒有查核有沒有要求他要出示他的儲戶證明有沒有報告委員那因為候選登記所需要繳交的表件是規定在施行細則的第15條那第15條裡面規定的表件裡面並沒有那個儲戶證明這些的文件這一張是什麼那個是登記調查表 |
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那我們審定的時候,因為他要講規定要...你沒有根據調查表去審定,所以李貞秀女士她提出她有儲戶的證明是在2025年也就是你剛講的,114年她在112年的時候簽的,還是她沒有簽名請全委會提供這一張證明出來如果她在 |
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442.029 |
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462.698 |
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2023年參與民眾黨登記的時候,他就沒有簽名,或者是他也沒有儲戶他儲戶是2025年才交出來的,他也是詐騙民眾黨、詐騙中選會這樣是合法的立法委員嗎?時序還是要搞清楚,所以我上次就說 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
464.059 |
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471.143 |
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中華民國公職這個登記調查表比要去戶政事務所結婚還要寬鬆 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
473.203 |
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口口聲聲說你已經離婚了,去到戶政事務所就被砍了啦但是你在選委會還是沒有檢查出來啦所以我們還是根據這一些國籍法或者是這個儲戶我們都認為他不具有中華民國立法委員的合法的身份所以包含在委員會裡面做過所有的紀錄未來都會變成事實 |
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498.934 |
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510.156 |
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我也極力主張它不能變成事實所以包含在會議紀錄的確認我都主張行政院尊重行政院可以不必尋答李貞秀女士的發言謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-08T11:01:15.123000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-08T11:01:17.925000+08:00 |
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有請劉部長跟中選會處長。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-08T11:01:18.046000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-08T11:01:18.766000+08:00 |
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麻煩部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-08T11:01:19.126000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-08T11:01:22.149000+08:00 |
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中選會要請兩位處長？ |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-08T11:01:22.149000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-08T11:01:22.729000+08:00 |
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一位就好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-08T11:01:23.770000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-08T11:01:30.455000+08:00 |
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那先由王處長代表，如果業務有分工的話，再請同仁幫忙，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-08T11:01:32.466000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-08T11:01:34.327000+08:00 |
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謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-08T11:01:34.327000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-08T11:01:46.915000+08:00 |
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今天排審的內容非常有技巧，召委排了18歲選舉權的提案，以及緩刑能不能參選的提案。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-08T11:01:49.456000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-08T11:01:59.419000+08:00 |
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民進黨的委員都很認真地在表述一件事情，就是對於18歲參選的權利，我們表示支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-08T11:02:01+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-08T11:02:08.062000+08:00 |
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如果要在選罷法裡面修18歲參選，會遇到什麼憲法問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-08T11:02:08.442000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-08T11:02:23.430000+08:00 |
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這有兩件事情引發社會討論，包含大家很有共識的修完青年基本法，希望在2年內可以完成18歲公民權的修法。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-08T11:02:24.751000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-08T11:02:57.026000+08:00 |
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在2022年的18歲公民權投票裡面，很遺憾地，雖然民進黨當時全力投入地方的說明，但還是只有達到564萬票的同意，沒有達到962萬票的同意，所以沒有通過，也因此開始討論說怎麼樣繞過修憲，直接修選罷法，讓18歲擁有公民權，這是今天大部分的民進黨委員很認真表述的事情。 |
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0.86 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-08T11:02:57.206000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:03:31.449000+08:00 |
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我們希望支持，至於有哪一些論點可以支持我們這個修法，憲法第一百三十條規定20歲有依法選舉之權，而23歲被選舉權其實也有規定在選罷法裡，如果修選罷法的被選舉權是沒有違憲的，也就是把23歲往下降到20歲是沒有違憲的，那麼現在討論的癥結就是，把選罷法規定的20歲降到18歲，這個跟憲法有沒有牴觸？ |
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0.79 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-08T11:03:31.449000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-08T11:03:34.732000+08:00 |
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這是大部分委員很認真在討論的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-08T11:03:35.632000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:03:50.900000+08:00 |
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我們還是會主張18歲可以投票，看用什麼方法，在不違憲的情況下，或許凝聚更多的社會共識，或者是釋憲，都是很好的方法。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-08T11:03:51.892000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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2026-04-08T11:04:02.821000+08:00 |
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但是今天的排審還藏有緩刑能不能參選的問題，有幾個提案裡面包含選罷法第二十六條第七款。 |
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0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:04:03.722000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:04:13.710000+08:00 |
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大家比較有共識的部分是選罷法第七款裡面針對黑金槍毒的緩刑，他還是不得參選，目前看到的提案是這樣。 |
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0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:04:13.710000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:04:31.553000+08:00 |
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但是過去2年，所有內政委員會的議案到院會後被院會翻案、被修正它與被臨時暴力通過的議案內容大大不同。 |
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0.822 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-08T11:04:32.693000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:05:00.792000+08:00 |
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我想在這邊提出一點質疑，柯文哲主席被判17年以後，依總統副總統選罷法第十款規定，受10年以上有期徒刑判決未確定，他是不得登記參選為總統候選人，但是到時候會不會在院會又多出一條臨時修正動議？ |
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0.845 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-08T11:05:00.792000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-08T11:05:01.232000+08:00 |
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我不知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-08T11:05:03.332000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:05:14.236000+08:00 |
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所以今天在委員會討論很有可能也只是國民黨的一個伎倆，就是過水，國民黨也不是沒有紀錄。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-08T11:05:14.236000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:05:29.550000+08:00 |
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其實也有人說加重詐欺罪不得參選，我覺得也可以討論；對於中選會的人事案，國民黨有沒有詐騙行政院，我覺得這個也可以討論，如果有詐騙，這個算不算加重詐騙？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-08T11:05:29.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-08T11:05:31.272000+08:00 |
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算不算加重詐欺？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-08T11:05:32.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-08T11:05:33.073000+08:00 |
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這也可以討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-08T11:05:33.894000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:05:52.707000+08:00 |
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重點是我們希望今天排審之後的修法可以公開透明，透過公聽會，讓更多人民知道這些可能要放寬的緩刑條件內容是什麼，讓社會有共識再來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-08T11:05:53.728000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:06:08.599000+08:00 |
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我另外一個議題其實也跟能不能參選是有關係的，但是剛剛王美惠委員這麼生氣，劉部長，你可以不用回答這部分，你先請坐，因為這個是選委會要做的事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-08T11:06:10+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-08T11:06:20.238000+08:00 |
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這裡有一張全國不分區及僑選立法委員的登記表格，每一個不分區委員都要登記這張表格，裡面有一個候選人消極資格條件，這個要簽名蓋章。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-08T11:06:20.338000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:06:51.595000+08:00 |
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候選人消極資格條件裡面，除了下列人員不得登記為候選人，現役軍人、替代役男、軍事學校學生、各級選委會委員依據法律不得為候選人，包括臺灣地區人民在大陸地區設有戶籍或領有大陸地區護照不得參選。 |
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0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-08T11:06:54.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-08T11:06:57.436000+08:00 |
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這裡要簽名，處長你知道這件事情。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-08T11:06:58.697000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-08T11:07:09.698000+08:00 |
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我想要請問一下，在媒體看到李貞秀女士，民眾黨應該要什麼時候提出不分區名單？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-08T11:07:09.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-08T11:07:12.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
這一屆所有的登記不分區委員什麼時候要簽結這一張？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.391 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-08T11:07:15.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-08T11:07:24.973000+08:00 |
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報告委員，這一屆是在112年的時候辦理候選登記。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-08T11:07:25.073000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-08T11:07:27.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
也就是2023年都要繳交這一張，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-08T11:07:27.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-08T11:07:29.056000+08:00 |
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登記的時候都要繳交。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-08T11:07:29.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-08T11:07:30.717000+08:00 |
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都要繳交，對不對？是。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-08T11:07:30.717000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-08T11:07:37.116000+08:00 |
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你們有沒有查核這一些人有沒有簽名，有沒有查核？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-08T11:07:38.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-08T11:07:41.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
有沒有要求出示他的除戶證明，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
王處長曉麟 |
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2026-04-08T11:07:42.761000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:07:56.290000+08:00 |
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報告委員，因為候選登記所需繳交的表件是規定在施行細則第十五條，而第十五條規定的表件裡面，並沒有除戶證明這些文件。 |
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0.885 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:07:56.391000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:07:56.651000+08:00 |
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這一張有啊，這一張是什麼？ |
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0.545 |
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王處長曉麟 |
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2026-04-08T11:07:56.651000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:02.235000+08:00 |
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那個是登記調查表，我們審定的時候，因為他要繳交…… |
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0.905 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:02.556000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:16.009000+08:00 |
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你沒有根據調查表去審定，所以李貞秀女士提出他有除戶的證明是在2025年，也就是你剛剛講的114年，他在112年的時候是有簽名還是沒有簽名？ |
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0.873 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:17.431000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:19.453000+08:00 |
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請選委會提供這一張證明出來。 |
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0.923 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:19.453000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:37.255000+08:00 |
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如果他在2023年參與民眾黨登記的時候，他就沒有簽名，或者是他也沒有除戶，除戶是2025年才交出來的，他也是詐騙民眾黨、詐騙中選會啊！ |
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0.925 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:37.255000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:42.077000+08:00 |
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這樣是合法的立法委員嗎？ |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:42.077000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:42.957000+08:00 |
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時序還是要搞清楚。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:43.417000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:53.143000+08:00 |
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所以我上次就說，中華民國公職的登記調查表比去戶政事務所結婚還要寬鬆啊！ |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:55.203000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:58.564000+08:00 |
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口口聲聲說你已經離婚了，去到戶政事務所就露餡了！ |
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0.909 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:08:59.325000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:01.586000+08:00 |
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但是選委會還是沒有檢查出來。 |
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1 |
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李委員柏毅 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:03.907000+08:00 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:32.156000+08:00 |
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根據國籍法或者是除戶，我們都認為他不具有中華民國立法委員的合法身分，所以包含在委員會裡面做過的所有紀錄，未來都會變成事實，我也極力主張他不能變成事實，因此包含在會議紀錄的確認，我都主張尊重行政院可以不必詢答李貞秀女士的發言，謝謝。 |
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0.935 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:32.656000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:41.227429+08:00 |
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因為丁學忠委員已經到現場，我們是不是等丁委員發言完再休息，可以嗎？ |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:41.527429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:43.813143+08:00 |
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部會的同仁可以嗎？ |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:44.113143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-08T11:09:46.684571+08:00 |
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好，請丁學忠委員發言。 |
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0 |