| IVOD_ID |
16824 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16824 |
| 日期 |
2025-07-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-3-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-07-21T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-07-21T13:40:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:09:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77dbb1e8868fef77fa87ad9f551ce5fa921f1d17902d04901a471c6e90103e3d0b135ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-07-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長、農業部部長、內政部首長及交通部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及0708豪雨災損及回復情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:15 - 13:40:00 |
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早安 |
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好現在開會請報告出席人數報告全體會出席委員10人已足法定人數 |
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主席謝昭吉委員依奉114.623日星期一報告事項依宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定二 邀請經濟部部長國家發展委員會主任委員交通部首長及國家科學及技術委員會首長及因應高齡化社會我國智慧公共運具發展及目標進行報告並被質詢經濟部部長郭智慧及交通部常務次長林國賢報告後委員陳廷飛等14人提出質詢 |
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均由經濟部部長郭志威等及其答覆決定一登記發言委員除不在場者外區域均與發言完畢巡達結束委員謝榮介、邱振軍、張家俊、徐欣盈、邱盈盈及翁曉琳所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報三書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會114年6月25日星期三報事項 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、農業部部長及中央銀行首長就因應國際經貿情勢變化如何協助我國產業面對台幣匯率及國際能源價格巨變進行報告並被質詢國家發展委員會主任委員劉靜清、經濟部部長郭志輝、農業部政務次長胡宗一及中銀行副總裁嚴忠大報告後委員鄭振淺等16人提出質詢 |
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繼續進行報告事項請宣讀 |
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主席 各位委員 大家早今天承蒙贵委员会的邀请就丹纳斯台风及0708豪雨灾损及复原情形进行专案报告这就涉及本部业务部分提出报告如下进行各位委员不吝示教丹纳斯台风及0708豪雨灾损情形依积淹水 |
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當然是颱風期間全台淹水災點共計210處於7月7日中午均已退水主要淹水縣市為台南市68處台中市55處嘉義縣36處與高雄市32處災點多位於道路局部地方地區及寒凍 |
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80%在一至三小时内退水所以灾点在当日中午前均已退水 |
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應變期間本部水利署共計支援12台大型移動式抽水機包含南投、彰化、雲林、台南、屏東、花蓮等地區其後受丹納斯颱風、殘雨水氣、低壓帶及西南風影響7月8日時時中部地區又出現強降雨 |
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2087.851 |
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其中彰化縣雨量高達153毫米前台淹水災點共計97處主要淹水縣市為彰化縣76處雲林縣10處嘉義縣市10處50%在1至3小時內完成退水而所有災點在當日傍晚均已退水應變期間本部水利署支援彰化6台雲林3台大型移動式抽水機 |
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2112.186 |
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前端基礎建設以花灰效果減少淹水面積加快退水當然是颱風造成淹水面積達48公頃3小時退水達80%優於過去同等級102年的康瑞颱風2光電當然是颱風造成部分光電災損情形如下受本次颱風影響統計約60MW災損 |
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僅佔總設置量0.4%令太陽能光電於風災前太陽能光電發電量為67.75百萬度相較於風災後發電量66.2百萬度差距甚小其中較具規模之災損為嘉義縣四岸水面型的場岸場新溫新莊貴社荷包宇三有關產業園區及科技 |
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產業園區產業園區及科技園區共計13處園區96家廠商提報災損目前預估損失金額為6.53億是電力當然是颱風造成電力損害範圍廣泛本次全國城停電戶 |
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2168.939 |
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2193.955 |
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總計一百萬九千兩百三十八戶因停電戶分佈廣域且零散並受限於道路窄小大型搶救機器車輛進出困難導致台電搶修困難颱風期限電感導斷及流失約三千四百九十九支電線斷線六千九百六十五條 |
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2204.873 |
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開關及被壓器696具鐵塔倒塌三座水泥桿傾倒兩座部分損害三座 |
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2207.708 |
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2224.98 |
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包含支持部的傾斜、恆丹、愛子鐵器的受損等等全面復電工程急劇挑戰台電第一線人員在監控環境下投入搶修工作由於災損設備數量龐大範圍分散從耗耗時耗力 |
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2231.553 |
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2239.938 |
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五自來水全台呈停水數73487戶主要為嘉義地區呈停水10729戶台南地區呈停水13149戶高雄地區呈停水49367戶南嶼呈停水242戶二報告災損情形回復的狀況 |
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2258.017 |
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2281.469 |
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一 積淹水當當是颱風造成的積淹水最嚴重的地區為台南七谷西寮地區因當當是颱風入境由南往北產生了長浪並受滿潮影響大潮巨浪直接灌入大寮排水越過提案造成的淹水後續將協助台南市政府在七谷瀉湖外 |
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2282.678 |
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2311.681 |
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沙洲平沽先以沙場帶防護避免海浪直接侵襲大寮排水部分將沿域依規劃設置出口防潮紮門同時西寮、城內以及大潭地區將進行沖水設備的更新提升整體排水效能增加地區的防洪韌性0708豪雨造成的積淹水較嚴重地域髒化鹿港地區 |
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2336.409 |
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因7月8日第一壓帶加上西南風水氣引發的短延時強降雨時雨量每小時超過150毫米超過保護標準後續將由彰化縣政府評估辦理鹿港溪下游出口抽水站更新改善並檢討擴大抽排量抽排的量能加速退水 |
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2339.349 |
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2364.09 |
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及持續推動入港溪排水淨流分擔措施檢討下水道系統的能力本部屆時將與協助增加地區防洪的韌性減少淹水的損失而光電當它是颱風造成部分光電災損中目前災損較小的光電暗場皆已清理完畢 |
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2387.862 |
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至於災損較大的大型光電暗場也與廠區外均已清除完畢廠區內正由業者積極地進行清理作業三、產業園區、科技產業園區本部園管局於第一時間7月7日派源至受創最嚴重的西寧產業園區勘災 |
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2390.615 |
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2414.117 |
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自7月8日起,结合本部马上办中心及产业竞争力辅导中心资源与服务能量,针对园区受损厂商进行访试,及时提供政府可协助的措施及行政资源。协助事项包含灾损认定、厂房修缮、地下室积水排除及废弃物清除等事项。 |
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2416.344 |
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2424.094 |
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園區內公用設施恢復部分已由本部園管局進行復原重建與災後環境整理 |
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2427.284 |
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2433.705 |
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全台停電戶100萬9238戶台電公司已於7月19日21時全部復電完成本市丹阿斯颱風台電動員調派跨區支援搶修人力299班1801人前往支援 |
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2448.61 |
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2451.333 |
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總累計365班2,308人共出動人力39,843人次自來水全水停水戶73,487戶開水公司已於7月7日14時全部覆水 |
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2468.581 |
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2491.718 |
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另因颱風過後陸續接貨用戶反映部分地區無水經查七谷西寮村後壁區斜甲等地區因停電導致用戶自設間接加壓設備無法啟動抽水至頂樓蓄水設備在重力流下所致並非自來水未送達用戶 |
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2493.263 |
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2508.6 |
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災害期間,台水公司與地方政府聯繫,配合加派水車及設置臨時取水站因應以維持供水穩定。3.災害救協助事項 |
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2532.237 |
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2.提供企业复工贷款,包括中小企业灾害复旧贷款以及企业小投家贷款,贷款额度无限制。 |
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2533.682 |
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2556.215 |
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這個部分由承貸金融機構來評估貸款的利率從低2.22%信用保證至少9.5成令貸款額度100萬元以內一律10成保證且免收保證所需費以上均受理申請中 |
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2557.543 |
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2581.214 |
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三 提供機器設備調校補助對於單單是颱風受災製造業者補助業者災後重建時機器的修復、校正等以盡速恢復產能每家補助上限新台幣20萬元四 電費的扣減針對停電超過一小時的住宅、商家等依停電時間提供電費的扣減 |
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2585.948 |
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2593.364 |
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5.水費扣減針對停水超過24小時的用戶當月基本費與停水日數比例扣減 |
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2595.052 |
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2618.687 |
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6.台南土地租金减免,依农业部公告之农业天然灾害现金救助及低利贷款地区之土地成租户,向所在地区乡镇区公所提报灾损证明并提供台南公司土地辖管单位,台南公司将依作物受害程度给予租金的减免。 |
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2621.097 |
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2634.583 |
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當然是颱風120年來首次從嘉義登陸一次颱風且最高震風等級高達17級震風造成台南嘉義地區多根電桿倒塌以及電線斷裂 |
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2636.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2654.209 |
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本部及台電公司後續亦檢討將於短期先加強空曠迎風面的電感對地直線並感電感機裝及調整桿距等措施,另於迎風線路中增加一級電感。 |
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2656.684 |
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2684.277 |
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中长期评估环境许可下办理陷入地下化工程,并滚动检讨办理成效,配合配电系统陷入防灾韧性。至于豪雨的部分,本部予以地方政府合作检讨各项排水设施的改善,增加地区防洪的韧性,减少淹水的损失。以上报告,敬祝委员身体健康,注视顺利。 |
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2697.037 |
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好 謝謝現在請問各位同仁上次會議議事錄有無錯誤好 沒有錯誤那議事錄確定現在請農業部陳暨俊部長報告陳暨俊 |
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2710.574 |
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2737.2 |
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主席 各位委員 各位女士 各位先生 大家早安那今天很榮幸列席我們大院經濟委員會第18次的權力委員會議進行有關於丹納斯颱風及0708大豪雨災後農業救助與輔導的措施的專案報告那以下僅就這次災害的一些過程跟相關的這些救助跟補助的作為向各位報告 |
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2766.925 |
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這次的颱風當然是颱風是0706從嘉義縣登陸那登陸的時候它所帶來的這些陣風有高達14到17級那同一時間在0708的時候又發生了這些大豪雨那大豪雨最主要是以彰化地區為主那兩三日的累積雨量有甚至有達到400到500毫米所以算是一個過往比較少發生的這種複合型的一個災害 |
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2767.685 |
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2771.988 |
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那經過我們統計當然是颱風跟0708到昨天下午5點的一個統計災害損失已經達到32.5億那其中是以台南市14.6億為最高那其次為嘉義的7.3億雲林的5.07億彰化的2.7億那屏東大概是1.2億高雄大概是1億 |
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2796.026 |
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2814.532 |
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也是一二那這幾個縣市是比較嚴重的那整個摘損裡面如果我們把它分為農林榆木的話農糧的損失最主要是以香蕉文旦番子瘤竹筍跟柳橙為主那蓄產的損失最主要是雞隻的死亡然後淹水的一個死亡那 |
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2815.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2832.54 |
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其次是豬跟鴨、鵝等那漁產的部分最主要是在牡蠣及虱目魚那另外一部分是有關於停電所造成的這些養殖漁業所造成損失零產的部分最主要是在森林的副產物的阻損的部分 |
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2833.3 |
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2860.594 |
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那另外還有一個區塊因為這次的颱風所帶來的這些強風造成很多民間設施的損失那這個設施的損失包括農業的設施那包括整個蔬菜育苗跟花卉栽培以及蘭花栽培等大型的這些水從小型的水瓶往事一直到塑膠布往事一直到強固型的這些溫室都受到一些影響 |
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2861.354 |
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2879.003 |
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那續行的設施最主要是屋頂被風吹垮那漁業的設施最主要是漁船的一個損毀那有關於天然災害的一個救助的情形那農業部為了及時能夠迅速恢復生產從丹納斯颱風在7月7號離台以後 |
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2882.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2904.462 |
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我們第一時間就決定用主動公告的方式來公告我們救災的一個品項因為過往的一個救助都是要地方政府提報然後經過四方會刊所照那時間會拖到香港市場至少要一個禮拜以上那這次我們採用主動公告的方式然後透過專家會議來決定所以 |
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2906.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2925.871 |
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我們在最短的時間內獲得一些希望說能夠獲得農民能夠及時的獲得一些協助那到目前統計大概現在目前已經公告了10個縣市總共有844項的作為受到天然災害影響所可以申請現金救助的 |
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2926.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2945.626 |
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那在這個整個公告的項目裡面我們同時考量了它的風速然後它的一個普遍性所以我們同時也公告了一些可以免限開的作物這些免限開的作物包括文旦、酪梨、硬質玉米、青稞玉米、食用玉米這種很高精類的作物同時 |
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2947.427 |
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2972.32 |
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也擴及了有關於長時間停電的這些養殖餘溫我們公告列為免限竿的品項那這些免限竿的品項你只要能夠舉證是有種植或客觀養殖的適時的證明文件那公所就可以去免限竿直接去處理那這樣也可以減少公所的這些人力的一個應用那同樣為確保災區農民 |
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2974.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
2992.322 |
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更多的農民有時間來申報那原來的公告的申報的期間是10天那我們已經針對台南市嘉義縣跟嘉義市的救災的受理期限延長了5個工作天那我在這邊也跟所有的委員報告這個延長的部分 |
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2992.942 |
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3013.696 |
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我們都有經過跟每個縣市確認那部分的縣市他覺得說不需要延長那我們就尊重那有需要延長的話我們就會延長五個工作日但是這個部分我們還是會持續的做滾動的一個檢討如果有需要延長的時候農業部這邊一定會同意做適度的延長 |
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3014.946 |
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3043.416 |
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那在整個現金做出以外在這一次我們也針對天然災害的一個低利貸款提供了一個比較優惠的方案在過去的低利貸款大概是免息沒有就是低利率是1.415然後免息期限是半年那這一次我們特別提供了零利率的貸款的優惠然後免息的時間從半年展延成一年 |
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3044.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3072.72 |
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那除了這個天然災害救助的品項以外我們同時也針對品項的貸款額度的提高那針對以前曾經有貸款的這些其他的專案貸款補助的部分我們也針對這個部分提供了兩年的一個期限不管你是做匡款或者是整個貸款的延長都可以兩年而這些所有貸款的作業金融的 |
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原來貸款的金融機構可以不用主案來報我們農業部核准那我們也希望說用透過這樣的方式來簡化我們的行政流程那我要在這邊也跟所有的委員報告過去我們的天災都是透過天然災害救助辦法去提供我們的現金的一個救助那因為這次颱風它比較特殊而且影響比較城市比較廣所以我們這次採用的是救助加補助 |
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救助加補助所以除了現金救助以外我們也開列了非常多的這些專案的一個補助那這些專案補助第一個包括設施的一個補助那過往設施我們農民的補助的話是五成我們把它提高到八成那除了溫室的補助以外溫室內的相關的循環系統還有水養液的供應系統我們也納入補助的範圍 |
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那同時我們在這次也考量到我們有非常多的農企業是從事一級生產的農企業那這些農企業過往都是跟農民是一個夥伴關係所以我們這次也特別將農企業只要是從事一級生產的這些農企業我們也納入補助的範圍 |
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那所以現在目前開放的是蘭花的部分那如果後續有需要的話我們也會逐步開只要他是從事一級生產的時候我們都會來處理那相關的這些補助我們就是有五成的50%的一個補助那此外 |
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因為在雲林、在彰化有一些稻穀它並沒有完全收穫所以我們這一次也啟動了災害股的一個收穫如果農民他在收割的時候這些稻穀沒有辦法賣出去的時候那我們就全數的一個收購這個全數的收購就是 |
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除了原來供糧的6200公斤以外我們用平均產量加兩成的方式做數量的一個收購來確保我們農民不會受到這些損失同時我們還有另一方面的農業保險水稻農業收入保險也可以來支撐 |
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這次的颱風我們也發現了非常多的公糧倉庫的屋頂受損那根據我們統計大概有86棟的公糧倉庫受損那這個部分我想我們也啟動了相關的一個補助的範圍那受損的部分我們大概補助了7成那民營的這些業者我們大概補助了5成那在漁業的部分我們的專案補助大概分為幾個部分第一個部分就是 |
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當時在停電的時候那第一時間我們啟動了相關的這些發電機還有油料還有租金的這些補貼那這個補貼我們最長達到七天一天是一萬塊希望說他在停電的時候能夠利用發電機來繼續維持電力但是很可惜的這是因為 |
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停電的一個時間比較長電力的修復比較困難那後續我們也開了全部開了他的天然災害公告然後免限刊那另外我們也針對養殖設備的補助包括增揚機發電機飼料等共通性的設施的補助到八成那在 |
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在進來漁業的漁船的部分那最主要是漁閥的後面所掛的主腹肌的一個補助那這次颱風因為把很多漁閥吹翻了然後堆疊在一起那很多這種主腹肌也受損了所以我們也提供了相關的這些主腹肌八成的一個補助那同時在養殖漁業已經有一些廢死魚已經浮現的時候那必須及時的清除以免造成環境的一個公共衛生的一個污染 |
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那同時我們也跟地方政府跟環境部合作來協助整個的一個廢死魚的這些清除那在畜牧部分大概分為兩個部分第一個部分就是整個畜牧設施的補助 |
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那設置的補助包括情緒設、堆肥設等也是提高到八成那同樣的是發電機的部分針對畜牧場的發電機我們提供了五成的一個補助那最主要這些專案的補助是希望說 |
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能夠迅速的讓農民能夠復健然後復耕能夠用最快的一個速度來復耕那我想這次災害造成嚴重的損失農業部已啟動了整個農業的技術服務團來整合我們所屬的試驗改良商所還有一些學研單位希望在災後的時候能夠迅速的協助農民的復耕 |
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同時因為災害可能帶來的這些疫病重害的一個發生我們也希望都透過輔導團能夠讓這些疫病重害能夠有效的得以控制那各項的這些災害有些經費不足的地方我想我們都會專案跟行政院來申請這些經費來迅速的來協助來提供我們的災民那以上就針對這次的颱風跟大好雨的 |
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災情做相關的作為做以上的報告謝謝 |
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好,谢谢 |
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謝謝主席在我請各部會上來之前我想請大家先看一下這個是剛剛我們收到最新的一個照片這個地方是在台東縣海端鄉的夏卯家寶隧道 |
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因為豪大雨的關係現在坍方所以我剛剛看到交通部次長在這裡應該你們也有接到相關的通報嘛對不對那台東現在正在受豪大雨也開始有一些停電的情形產生 力道已經開始停電我要說的就是說 |
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最近因為風災不斷水災不斷那剛剛部長經濟部部長跟農業部部長花了將近30分鐘的時間來報告因為丹納斯颱風所造成的這些影響我必須請台電的董事長上來我想在這整個風災裡面受創最嚴重的台南跟嘉義 |
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我必須在這裡利用立法院質詢的時間請台電的董事長上來我想跟台電的員工致上最深最深的謝意跟敬意喔 |
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去年高雄遭遇風災的時候我看到台電的員工不眠不休的搶救大寮 林園等等 前鎮 小港等等的這些電感倒塌今年一樣那個場景換到了台南跟嘉義那個損害更加的嚴重可是國民黨的委員說你們台電在勤勒他說不需要補助給你們1000億 |
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報補的預算直接在立法院就否決掉了曾董事長我想請教一下你領導一個部隊在作戰 領導一個部隊在搶修現在立道在停電 台東在停電很有可能我不知道未來接下來的兩三天還會不會有其他的地方停電你如何帶領你這些部隊持續來進行搶修你可以告訴我你的心情嗎 |
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我們一直在講電網的韌性要加強台電一千億的撥補就在前幾天就被砍掉了我很想聽聽你的想法你的感受到底這個國家怎麼了這個國會怎麼了 |
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每一個人都要用電又不給漲電價又不給撥補然後又要叫台電立刻要修復立刻就要復電我真的很想聽聽董事長你到底內心的想法是什麼來 董事長那個那個工作的部分我會回答您啦但這一題我真的要 |
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我覺得國會議員都是社會賢達大家大概都知道說我們有很多的工作事實上需要經費去推動那個這個照片您傳的這個照片我們也看到它附近其實因為土石流的關係有另外一根電桿已經被拖倒了所以現在立道是停電的狀況那我們台電驅逐的同仁已經上去搶修了我們都第一時間看到了實際的情形那至於您提到的部分 |
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我覺得台電公司是國家的公司雖然現在是民主金融部長執政那是民主金融部長在領導這個公司但我還是希望就是說是不是國會議員能夠了解一件事就是台電自它成立以來到現在一直都是國家的公司就我的同仁其實就是國家的僱員 |
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其實那個我要這樣講就是說他真的需要一些他需要支持我們也不是其實真的沒有任何的沒有任何想要勤而的意思坦白講台電也沒有說什麼我們這一段時間都在認真的救災但當然這個時候預算被刪掉對我們來講心情上面會有一些影響我們本來覺得有看到曙光 |
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就在這個之前其實曾經有些新聞報導包括在野黨的黨主席提出說是不是可以給我們一千億我們也聽到一些工總或商總的理事長打電話來跟我們講說他們有在幫忙協調希望能夠撥補這個一千億我們本來覺得是已經有曙光了但是後來結果 |
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不是那麼樣的理想但不過我還是要跟委員還有主席所有在場的委員保證就是台電公司還是會堅守我們自己的崗位做好我們工作那個謝謝曾董事長我們今天來談這個災後復原或者是災後的補助 |
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沒有電你很多東西沒有辦法運行剛剛農業部部長的報導養殖漁業受創嚴重我們所有的農業災損現在今天才7月底農業的災損天然災害的救助金的今年的預算是編列了36億多嘛對不對今年現在是39億嗎你單單一個丹納斯颱風已經用掉了32億了 |
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那你沒有電 你的這個農漁業全部就停擺工商業也全部停擺我們來談這些災後的報告你最基本的東西沒有辦法給嘛每個人都來講 我這個農業部起來要補助多少錢災損加補助 增加額度 增加金額 |
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如果能夠把電網的韌性往前先做好如果能夠給台電更多的資源有一些東西是可以防範於未然嗎不是這樣嗎好 |
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來 董事長我想請您就回座我們之前一直在講電網的韌性我不知道未來還有多少颱風會來未來還有多少台電的人員必須冒死冒雨冒風去搶救 |
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可是我能不能請坐在主席台上的主席請國民黨的委員 請藍白的委員如果你換一個角度想掛在電線桿上的如果是你的家人你們自己內心作何感想台上的主席你可能未來要選縣長如果當你當縣長的時候你要如何去處理這些風災水災所造成的影響 |
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不是你們嘻嘻哈哈在台上在立法院隨便舉個牌隨便就否決掉了政治不是這樣搞的啊你今天排了這樣的一個專案報告我相信在座的部會首長根本在這裡坐立難安啊因為台東在下大雨道路在攤房 在土石流 在停電 |
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跟在座哪一位部長沒有關係跟在座哪一個單位沒有關係他們現在在坐在這裡聽其實都一直在掌握訊息我相信交通部一定最擔心啊你那個海端廂對外的聯外道路如果中斷該怎麼處理電力如果中斷該怎麼處理該怎麼搶修農業部當然可以等雨過以後再來統計農業災損的問題農業部你現在剩下多少錢 |
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3912.401 |
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你一個丹納斯就用掉了你大概十分之八的預算了你剩下多少錢你未來還可以做多少事你還可以補助給農民多少你還可以救助給農民多少我助理今天幫我準備了一大堆的資料我都不知道要怎麼問我看到你們我眼淚都快掉下來了我看到國民黨的立委在這裡為非作歹我眼淚都快掉下來了 |
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3948.975 |
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我要告訴你們大罷免不是為了仇恨大罷免是為了愛台灣啊不讓你們繼續為非作歹啊如果你們持續這種態度在立法院處理每一個事務你根本不要叫大家來報告嘛報告又有什麼用呢你們都知道問題在哪裡你們都知道中央部會要怎麼協助可是在表決的時候你們表現的是什麼樣的態度 |
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在表決的時候你有想過你的鄉親嗎你有想過你的市民朋友嗎你有想過那些農民嗎你有想過住在那個地方的災民嗎沒有我相信你們沒有我每次都說拿出你的良心來吧從政要有良心啊不是你今天請各位來這裡做報告就可以解決的事情啊 |
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現在請賴瑞榮委員做詢答好主席請那個陳部長郭部長跟曾董事長我先問陳部長我先問一下部長 |
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我們現在這次的風災我們都要求重優、重寬、重速、重減那有沒有達到這樣的一個原則我想第一個部分就是重速的部分從過往的這些地方政府勘在這報上來這個時間我們用主動公告的方式事實上也至少節省了公告這段時間的大概從一個禮拜節省到三天之內所以這些原則都掌握了是 |
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苦民所苦啦就是人民當在現在這個風災的特別是這一次的雨特別是風超出了原先的預期所以造成了相當大的一些災情我希望這個部分從寬從幽從速從簡這個原則一定要盡快而且接下來現在才七月而已還不知道還會遇到這樣我希望未來的原則都是把握這樣的原則我們一定是用同理心的角度去面對這樣因為時間很有限然後接下來我問的是經費夠不夠 |
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接下來經費夠不夠我跟委員報告在天然災害救助基金在114年大概是將近38億將近39億那我要跟委員報告在這次颱風之前已經用掉了22億左右 |
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換句話說年初開始有非常多的低溫已經造成的這些天然災害損失所以這一次的颱風一定是不夠的這一次已經不夠用 絕對是不夠用的那農業部不夠用那怎麼辦這些經費怎麼辦我跟委員報告過去不夠用的話我們第一時間會去跟行政院爭取二倍金但是很可惜的這一次的立法院因為我們的公務撥補到基金的預算有被刪減 |
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那我在這邊特別強調一旦被刪減了以後我們就不能直接動資二倍金也就是說立法院藍白國會多數刪減掉這個預算之後變成你們也無法動資因為立法院是不讓你們動資這些錢的所以連二倍金都無法動用是這樣嗎 |
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對 是根據相關的那個會計規定你只要刪了撥補的基金的經費部長那接下來呢 現在才七月而已 是颱風期有可能到九月十月都還有颱風那接下來遇到農民的災損的時候怎麼辦不過我想齁 |
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就算沒有辦法去凍設二倍金那我們還是會想辦法用移緩計集或用其他的方式來爭取我這邊只要告訴我們所有的全國的農民齁不管怎麼樣天災我們農業部一定站在第一線跟他們在一起經費的部分我們一定會來想辦法所以雖然經費已經沒有了但是農業部還是會想辦法就對了對我們還是會去想辦法還是會想辦法請跟院長去找出方法出來好嗎好不好也跟立法院持續的溝通好不好 |
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應該要找到一些方法解決這個問題啦就是任何一個政黨執政都遇到天災但遇到天災的時候我們都希望支持現在每個國民黨的縣市首長也請求這資源支持啊就現在經費這樣子的狀況下你要國家怎麼做是怎麼來協助這些農民每個農民都希望每個受災民都希望政府來支持結果現在這樣狀態怎麼做 |
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我希望部長全力的來繼續跟院長院也跟包括國民兩黨持續溝通民進黨是全力支持的但是國民兩黨這一塊持續溝通什麼樣的有沒有什麼樣的方式能夠把這件事情能夠做一個妥善的解決好不好好接下來我請教一下那個部長跟曾董事長好嗎那個郭部長郭部長曾董事長郭部長我請教一下一樣的問題從寬從幽從速從簡經濟部門有把持這樣的原則 |
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是的有照這樣在做嗎我們有照這樣在做好那經濟部的經費上面有沒有遇到問題我們現在就是就我們這個我們現在有一部分就是沒有 |
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不足的部分那我想我們跟農業部也是一樣就因為這是一個災難所以我們會想辦法把這個不足的經費盡量來這個爭取跟院長這邊爭取我再回來我待會再問一下部長好了我先問一下台電董事長好了好不好董事長 |
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這一次台電其實很辛苦啦 因為就像上次一樣 因為像高雄過去也遇到山坨等等那個風力之強 17級的風那個掃掉連電線桿直接把你掃斷那恐怕是很多人沒有看到是難以想像電線桿裡面還有鐵絲的 全部直接掃斷掉而且斷一整排的 因為不會只有那一支斷 其他全斷所以這一次從台南 從嘉義上來 其實造成了這個我們的電力上很大的一個重創 |
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我們的整個恢復了嗎 目前狀況恢復到什麼樣的狀態 |
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那個公園報告我們在禮拜六的晚上九點他就已經全部的恢復公園 都恢復了最晚的是在嘉義縣因為嘉義縣是颱風登陸的地點我還是要謝謝 其實真的還是要謝謝台電啦齁其實台電第一層的同仁每次在遇到這種風災我的選區都是在臨海區啦前陣小港 旗津都是受風面第一排每一次只要發生狀況的時候第一線都是拚了命在救的當 |
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颱風正大的時候 風雨正大的時候 台電的第一線員工都在第一線用命在救 救復電然後甚至還遇到很多是高壓電 甚至遇到是鐵板被吹起來壓在高壓電上面 還是要拼命的想辦法你不處理掉那些東西就是沒辦法復電所以是拼了命的在那個 那我想要講的是台電是國家的台電 台電是人民的台電 |
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上次的整個經費全部都給過唯獨就把台電的一千億整個扣下來其實坦白講我是覺得非常的難過啦就是說台電這次在支持台電就給台電更多的一些資源但是現在完全完全把那所謂的能源政策的問題全部把它丟給台電去丟包給台電去承擔我認為這個對台電是非常非常不公平台電的士氣也會受到很大的影響嘛我董事長接下來台電在這些財政上會不會有壓力 |
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跟委員報告就是說因為其實災損的部分我們還要統計因為將近3500根電桿那其實我問一下台電這次這樣的損失大概會多少我們現在還在統計跟委員報告出估大概多少至少損失了多少 |
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應該有10億啦台電損失了10億以上應該有10億左右所以這個部分台電又要擔起來就台電已經過去來政府因為扛住了整個動漲電價然後穩定物價的這些責任現在還在加10億上去那這還不包括很多人力上面的成本吧 |
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我們有全部都一起做一些統計跟估計大概是這樣但是我要跟委員報告現在是我們是損害掉的我們儘快能夠把它恢復但接下來的狀況是我相信今天一定很多委員問我們那接下來怎麼辦其實我們有在考慮接下來怎麼辦但剛才部長的報告也有提了大概的一些方向那這些其實都是需要因為電網的韌性需要投資需要經費而且其實這不是台灣的一個國家的問題 |
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全世界都遇到這樣子的問題最近很多的國際媒體報導各個國家都在增加電網的投資那增加電網的投資的經費有政府的補貼也有透過電價調整來反映的一大堆這種狀況我覺得我們只要稍微檢視一下外電大概都看得到 |
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特別是這些的很多的像過去以來比如像高雄很多因為防災型的關係所以我們努力的做了一些地下化甚至有些強韌的做法所以其實那個災情就會減少我認為這一次的整個沿海地區很多都必須要做更多的強化跟認定這個都需要投入更多的一些資源後續的後續改善可能真的是會比較需要時間也需要 |
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更多的政府的各個單位來配合因為包含入權包含等等相關的狀況這個我們它當然資源是經費是一個非常重要的元素那我問一下台電這樣的話會不會有財務上的壓力如果遲遲的沒辦法撥補政府遲遲沒有辦法撥補其實這應該政府給的政策是政府在定的嘛那政府要求你不漲電價政府認為你們不應該希望穩定住民生的這個電價的時候不給你漲的時候那你承受的虧損那這個會不會有很大的壓力 |
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跟委員報告財務一直是台電的壓力那這會不會影響到台電的軍心士氣我跟委員報告就是說我們 |
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政府對於台電的一些經費上的支持是對台電的肯定跟鼓勵基本上肯定了台電事實上在整個國際燃料價格上漲的時候扛住了國內通膨的壓力我們一再說明世界上很多國家都在補貼很多國家調的因為大家都希望穩定住電價穩定性物價非常多的通貨膨脹因為一旦電價物價提升了之後造成了國家的整體損失是更大的嘛 |
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所以大家都是用這樣的策略在進行在處理的就唯獨台灣遇到一個非理性的國會的多數兩黨然後然後用這樣的方式來對待台電我希望董事長繼續努力了好不好這個然後另外鼓舞台電的同仁們這個我們會全力以赴再繼續在台電爭取這邊的軍隊對台電來說台電的同仁把電網修復就是我們的責任我們一定會努力把這個工作做好我們也開始在討論後續強化的一些工作 |
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就是及早來規劃 我們全力來支持同時現在給予台電同仁更多的鼓勵啦 第一線特別是第一線的同仁 辛苦的同仁用命在幫大家復電的這些同仁 給他們更多的鼓勵我們一定會轉當 會想...部長 需要請教一下部長啦齁部長 我還是要問一下齁 這個... |
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大家現在關心這個美國的這個稅率的問題董事長請坐啦 董事長請坐非的問題現在大家擔心如果8月1號快要到了如果沒有談出一個結果出來的話會不會受到影響會不會被回復到這個32這樣的狀況部長現在談的最新狀況怎麼樣 |
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我們現在還在談判中嘛還在談判中 副院長到美國再次去談了嘛 是嗎這個是第四次嘛 第四次去談了嘛 對不對那現在努力的朝向在10跟20之間去做努力嘛 是嗎是在這樣的目標下嗎我們始終是希望能夠談出一個對國內有利的這樣的一個稅率 |
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也做了各種的準備嘛一旦如果有任何狀況需要去支持各企業各什麼的也都做的準備我想我們的談判小組他們都有做充分的準備啦好我們期盼有好的結果那在8月1號前會談出來嗎這個結果8月1號美國他也有講嘛如果8月1號前沒有談到完整他也可以post form |
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所以還是會有那個我想這個都還在不確定的這個這麼多不確定的因素啦所以我沒有辦法跟委員報告了解談判過程當然必須要很多的機密但我希望就是一樣鼓勵我們的談判團隊持續的加油希望幫台灣爭取到最好的一些狀況也希望讓我們的產業讓我們的農漁民都的衝擊降到最小啦再來我請教一下啦那個油煉糖水加薪這一塊長期我們也在講啦部長應該都會支持吧 |
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我們當然是全力支持我指的也不只這些啦包括像中鋼、螳融、台船甚至漢翔等泛工股我也鼓勵其實都要支持因為這些都很辛苦他們也都我也認為國家應該由這些企業來帶頭調性來動整個薪資上漲 |
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部長同意這樣的方向嗎我們大家一起努力好一起努力最後一個問題啦上次在小港的臨海園區裡面三元的能源發生的火災燃燒了26小時燒了26小時裡面甚至有造成了這個氫氧酸等等一些危險的一些物質我希望部長這已經我當時上禮拜一發生的我要求兩個禮拜內提出一份報告啦部長有掌握這件事情嗎 |
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因為那個我都在救災所以如果我希望部長了解一下整個狀況好不好因為下個禮拜整個報告要出來我們要當地跟鄉親們說明就是為什麼這樣的場具有這種高風險高危險的場為什麼會離市民這麼近經濟部的相關有沒有相關的審核的責任我的意思是說經濟部在你的園區內不要把這個東西直接丟給市政府有些部分該你們掌握的責任你們還是要掌握住就是 |
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高雄小港已經承受了相當多的一些高污染甚至高危險的一些產業而這個當時你看一燒起來以後是消防員是趕快逃出來三位如果沒有逃出來恐怕都很危險的所以那只能讓他繼續在那邊燒讓他燒燒到整個自然那個然後燒掉了26個小時燒了26個小時然後裡面產生了多少的一些 |
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有害的一些毒氣的部分當天的空污狀況其實是很糟的那我的意思是說我希望經濟部在未來在評估這些事情的時候要審慎思考至少離住宅區至少離人民要離得遠一點你不能夠在這麼近的區域雖然它是叫做臨海產業園區但是它旁邊就是居民很多的居民我們都在談大林埔千村想把一些影響降到最低的結果我們現在又把這些具有高風險 |
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可能有影響的又放在人民的周邊這個是人民是很難接受的我希望經濟部在這件事情上未來要加強去做把關 |
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部長可以嗎 給我們一個承諾我們會加強來加強把關通知 幾乎該有的則也要訂進來但是報告委員 他進來的時候我們他是符合這個我們產業園區各種用地用途及使用規範辦法的第三條產業用地第一項規定為容許引進的產業部長 我就希望請你們再去思考跟檢討 |
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一個燃燒了26個小時他的安全他的所有的周邊一定他的消防所有的一定出了一些問題包括他的狀況顯然超出了李明軒預期的狀況他不是一般我們所熟悉的這些廠房同時他燃燒出來的是 |
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清佛酸有毒的這個是甚至於它有毒性的一些物質的這個周邊的居民其實都相當擔心的甚至於當天還有很多人說當天的空氣甚至當天的水他們都擔心這邊是有問題的報告委員您剛才所指責的這個空氣品質監測我想我們都有設置這個空氣品質監測站 |
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那您剛所說的部分有害空氣污染物到目前為止我想我們都沒有發現有空污的問題部長我知道了裡面在廠內有一度有監測到廠內一度有監測到但是我要講的是即使是在周邊也都是這種的那它的擴散效應等等我的意思是說那個只是一個最低最低的標準 |
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最低最低的標準啦這種東西放在離居民這麼近這件事情本身就有高度的爭議啦我還是要請部長思考不要完全的相信跟迷失在那所謂的監測站監測不是24小時監測監測也不是所有的周邊的點全部監測監測時 |
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拿出來測一下他永遠有 帶有很多的不確定性在那對我來說 這件事情就是不你想啦 如果是在台北市的哪一個區域裡面願意接受這樣的東西嗎台北市的任何一個區域你告訴我願意接受這樣的東西嗎那如果不行的話 請臨海公衛區用更 重新調整你們的標準重新調整標準 它這裡面會產生有毒的氣質有毒的氣體即使是會產生有毒氣體的風險 |
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你說你沒有監測到不代表沒有發生一度在場內是有監測到一度在場內是有監測到監測了幾次他不是24小時在監測他不是隨時在監測我一直想部長真的要將心比心站在周邊居民的角度來思考 |
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換作這個東西如果是在中正區有人有辦法接收這樣的事情嗎隔壁有辦法接收這樣的一個廠房嗎距離幾百公尺有辦法接收這樣的廠房所以我講的是請經營部要重新調整你們的標準要更嚴格的去檢視尤其是該進來的廠房標準同時也要提升他的安全性這一次我看來是一堆的問題我看到是一堆的問題我希望部長就在完畢之後花一點點時間了解這個案子好不好好的謝謝部長 |
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好 謝謝現在請鄭政前委員做詢答謝主席我想請一下經濟部長郭志輝還有我們台電的董事長曾文森然後農業部長陳俊濟然後還有我們交通部政次陳彥博謝謝陳次長 |
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部長早 首先我想先針對這一次就是主席這次安排了一個丹納斯颱風之後的一個後續的專案報告那我想說對於這次丹納斯颱風重創南台灣的部分其實我們也都非常難過那尤其是針對台電這次其實確實也受到了一些損失那麼在這一次當中的時候我們也看到台電員工 |
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基層的員工在這一次在搶救後續相關問題的時候是非常非常的認真那當中也碰到了有出現了一個感電事故的問題那我想說尤其我們看到他說他的在IG上面留言說他三天沒睡幾個小時他針對這個部分的時候我想因為台電在事後說會馬上進行一個檢討的報告我想請教這檢討報告出來了沒有大概什麼時候可以出來 |
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那個跟委員報告那個對於我們這些輪班的工作台電會做一些討論那我們上個週上個禮拜六晚上九點才把所有的電力修復那今天是星期一的早上其實我知道這個電的問題喔我知道你們很努力在做那我們昨天已經在做這件事 |
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基層勞工他們這個部分因為會講到說三天沒睡幾個小時的部分那是不是在我們制度上面對於他們超時工作的部分PR工作的部分其實是有一個不完善的一個制度我想針對這部分來跟董事長這邊就教 |
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所以說我們現在台電這邊我們會去了解就是說其實這一段時間以來我們有很多工班派出去去搶修我們也看到很多畫面很多的民眾事實上感謝台電同仁修復但我們會遇到一個狀況一個案子在那個地方做我到了晚上10點我是要繼續把它做完還是跟所有的民眾說抱歉 |
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我們明天再來所以這個部分的時候我們就碰到了一個問題就是說如果會這樣子的一個超時工作然後三天沒睡幾個小時就顯然人力很缺嘛三天沒睡幾個小時這件事我們要這個是一個調查之後 對所以我想說一定是人力有短缺的部分對不對一定非常的辛勞 |
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是 當然我們對於台電的基層員工的時候的辛苦我們都看在眼裡而且我們也感同身受而且我們也非常的肯定那我只是要想說以整個經濟部跟整個台電公司來說我們要給他們一個怎麼樣的一個好的制度當然風災這件事情不是每天都會發生可是我們還是要有一個比較好的制度去因應它那我看到的一個情況就是說在整個經濟部有點躺水下面的一個重大的公安事故當中的時候 |
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台電的比重是最高的佔據一半以上我覺得這些事情你要去除以百萬小時就是說你的那個工量員工人數等等的母數要進來平均所以我想把今天這個問題的時候再往下把它給這個focus在比方說我想請教在我們 |
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112年之前因為我們現在看到台電經濟部這邊提供出來的數字只在113年3月以前那麼在這之前的時候我想請教一下台電的重大子在當中的時候發生感電事故的次數有幾次 |
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我可不可以回去查資料給你可以 我可以直接跟你講目前在這個113年3月之前總共有5次它不包含就是2月份有出現的一次資料這是監察院這邊統計出來的資料那在這次數當中的時候我發現承染商這邊的一個 |
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次數其實更多那我只是想針對這個部分因為基本上一定是人力有缺所以經濟部有跟勞動部要求開放外籍的人士來進來做一個配電外線的一個工作我想請教一下 董事長知道這個狀態嗎 |
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我跟委員報告因為國營事業需要考試所以不會有移工包商可以有移工所以說我們看到所有的一個感電事故當中的時候包商發生的情況多所以我想請教一下以目前因為今年開始的時候開放的這個部分包商可以去申請移工的部分我們大概需要多少的 |
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那個工人來補充這樣子的一個配線配電外線的一個部分大概需要多少人力才足夠跟委員報告因為包商的部分是協助台電一起來做工程的施作那其實他跟工程的量體有關 |
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原來我們是在做例行的工作可是這次颱風之後我們可能會增加很多真的是要補強的大量的工作所以我們就是希望說就是台電因為台灣每天都會有颱風啦每年季都有颱風所以針對這樣的問題的時候我們希望能夠有一個更好的一個制度然後對於這樣子基層的一個台電員工的時候能夠有比較多的保障 |
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補充一個訊息外方的廠商肯定是我們解決問題的一個來源之一這是其中一個部分我講台電本身台電本身我當董事長以後這三年台電增加了超過2000名的員工成長率是8.7% |
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那我想說這一段時間以來我們其實很清楚知道說我們需要努力的來增加那關鍵是經濟部非常非常的支持其實過去是一個管控人員的狀況好的 董事長這個部分你如果說要針對這個部分你可以給我後續的書面資料因為我還有一個問題要問然後我是針對今天針對這樣子的一個基層 |
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勞工 基層員工他們的一個工作的狀態我們特別提出關心所以說經濟部也跟勞動部做了一個溝通那如果說這個部分也顯然就是我們要解決問題的方法之一所以我們希望說到底需要多少然後目前有多少的時候我們還需要勞動部這邊配合所以你給我一個完整的書面資料好不好好那接下來是我想請教一下郭部長就是我們 |
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鄧麗君我們行政院副院長是不是這個禮拜還要再到美國去談關稅的問題是的是嗎那我在想說因為我們看到之前就是7月8號賴總統公布出來的這個照片的時候在講對等關稅裡面其實我發現其實經濟部跟農業部都不在這樣子的一個照片當中可是我們覺得對等關稅的談判裡面經濟部跟農業部肯定是重點重中之重 |
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所以我比較好奇的狀態是說在比方說7月11號行政院副院長他們回來的時候當時是肯定還沒有談成一個條件那是不是因為我們經濟部跟農業部這邊提供出來的談判籌碼還不夠所以這一次的時候回來之後在做了這樣的溝通之後我們是不是還有準備新的談判籌碼要過去談這部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單回應 |
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報告委員我想因為我不是實際的談判小組內容我不是很清楚所以沒有辦法回答委員的詢問不過我們總是在談判上面美方要求我們對於出國管制對於我們邊境的防護有高度的期許所以我們當初 |
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我們這個編了這個費用的時候大家這個輿論在講說這個國防跟這個海巡的這個費用要拿掉什麼所以這個引起美方非常大的關注所以我想先請教一下針對這次因為8月1號也快到了但你剛剛提到說他可以再延 |
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那你覺得我們有沒有可能跟美國在8月1號之前把這部分把它給談下來然後稅率大概會落在什麼樣子的一個range因為大家都非常的擔心東亞這邊大概只剩下台灣還沒有談出來 |
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這個匯率會落到哪裡要這個去談我想這個不是我在這邊可以臆測的那我想跟委員報告我們大家都非常的努力希望能夠爭取到目標放在哪裡 稅率我們會非常努力我們希望能夠跟我們的競爭國談出來一個比我們的競爭國家更好的這個稅率 |
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OK 好 謝謝那我想這邊我想接下來問一下農業部長因為這個美國貿易代表3月曾經提交一個2025年對外貿易障礙評估報告特別點名台灣這邊包括了一個美豬美牛馬鈴薯然後稻米跟基改食品米酒的稅率這個問題然後他特別提到這個部分是不必要的貿易障礙那我想請教一下部長他裡面甚至也特別提到要希望說台灣這邊要取消 |
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學童營養午餐不得使用基改食物的禁令針對這些部分的時候我想請教一下部長我們這些部分有哪些部門會繼續堅持還是會有一些妥協 |
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第一個委員報告有關於基改食品競技校園這個部分是衛福部的主管的一個權責那就農業部來講其實我們關切的是國內的農業的生產那在這次關稅的一個談判過程中當然美方有美方的期待那我們也有我們要堅持的 |
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那我們的堅持就是一定要確保糧食安全確保我們的產業永續而且更重要的是要保障我們農民的權益所以在談判過程中我們還是會針對這三個原則去做有效的溝通希望能夠找到一個大家都雙贏的或互補的這樣的一個結果 |
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石部長我說台北貿易肯定是重要關稅問題肯定是重要可是對於國內的健康問題肯定也非常的重要那麼我們希望農業部這邊該建設的部分請貿易部一定要堅持住好不好這個我想那個包括行政院也特別提到就是我們一定會確保我們國人的一個健康這個是我想一個非常重要的一個前提OK好 謝謝陳部長那我接下來想要問因為賴總統請問一下那個次長 |
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交通部 陳次長因為賴總統預計八月份要出訪中南美那可能會過境紐約跟達拉斯那麼在這過程當中的時候其實大家就思考到一個狀態就是說是不是會在美國的時候 賴總統會在美國的時候宣布對美國的一個波音公司的一個採購案 |
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請次長做一個簡單回應我想跟委員報告一下有關航空公司的採購案我想公司裡頭他會整體的考量至於說總統出訪的時候會不會有相關的宣布我個人並不曉得 |
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因為交通部對於整個我們飛機的採購肯定其實是有一些影響力的那我知道說其實飛機採購當中其實在這一次很多國家的一個對點談判當中也發生了一定的一個影響力所以我們如果說要對於美國有一個航空器的一個採購的時候當然是一個談判條件當中之一那我們希望說能夠幫台灣爭取到最好的一個條件能夠讓整個台灣的經濟整體其實是往好的方向去發展的 |
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那這部分就請我們經濟部、農業部跟我們交通部這邊都一起努力謝謝大家 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝現在請張其開委員做詢答張其開委員詢答結束後休息10分鐘 |
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請主管救災的內政部政府次長董建宏董次長還有農業部部長陳經濟陳部長委員好次長丹尼斯重創了南台灣特別是嘉義跟台南這不只是天災也是人後這是中華民國第一次國軍 |
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沒有投入救災而且嘉義跟台南天災那麼嚴重救災的速度非常的慢甚至有些災情都被政府被某些媒體輕易的媒體把它蓋住了我看你今天的報告 |
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這次啊 特別是加一根台南房屋損害的 被颱風整個屋頂掀開了 牆壁都破掉了門窗都被吹破了一萬八千戶一萬八千個家庭 到現在很多都還沒修好有些只能蓋著帆布 現在南部又開始下雨了停電 超過一百萬戶結果國金竟然可以不進去幫忙 |
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跟委員報告我們的農業魚業 矽木業 農企業像現在跟台南很多蘭花都種創了政府有深有同感急著去幫他們嗎我先問你一個今天你報告裡面最讓我生氣的你是負責救災的你現在報告裡面說這次丹納斯死亡人數兩人 |
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在行通報10459件受傷人是708只有兩位嗎 |
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對 只有兩位嗎對 我們目前收到的那個所有相關的通報是如此那也跟各位委員報告我們截至7月18日的17時多累計通報10459件兩人死亡 708人受傷那我們整個災害應變中心在運作的時間裡面我們共同疏離了4253人那其中也因好與疏散了3096人11個縣市開設67處的收容所 |
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所有的876人市長我先跟你討論兩條市長市長你這個報告我跟你講了重點就是剛剛講的你說死亡人數是兩位我跟你講兩條非常寶貴的生命你們沒有寫進去戴慶德總統是在7月11號到台南去勘災你知道嗎在他勘災前已經有一位嘉義我的嘉義鄉親他爬到樓上也是為了屋頂被風吹走了 |
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心臟病病吧一條人命為了要修他的屋頂那裡總統在7月11號到了台南的時候張一鳴很無助地跟他講趕快派國軍來幫忙他講我的屋頂被掀開了請總統派人來幫忙我爬不上去總統冷冷地回了一句不要再自己爬了有人真的聽了總統的話爬上去了 |
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7月16號台南家裡去了一位60歲的民眾他媽媽已經98歲了這民眾還是家裡的獨子 獨家他為了修家裡的房子爬上去一家人命就沒有了如果在7月11號當蔡英明已經跟總統陳情了 |
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那時候國軍去幫忙或者是內政部你們都派一些人力這保衛人命不用喪屍了耶我們內政部的確有派相當的人力我們把我們的替代役我們的警大警專的替代役1350人都已經派過去了處長你的替代役當時去你的替代役什麼時候去了我們在7月15號就已經7月初就已經派7月14號我們就派過去了你當時派替代役去 |
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委員 相關的人力的派遣我們必須要受到那個中央的指示指揮我們才能夠派遣那麼我們的人力的派遣也非常的迅速我們就需要所有的人力的所有的人力的損失都是一個遺憾我們都非常努力在協助我們會努力的去照顧所有的人每一個人命的損失都是我們國人的損失我們都非常的遺憾我們也都努力的去協助照顧所有的人 |
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所以洪太子7月6號的深淚就已經登陸了120年來第一個從嘉義登陸的颱風最大的風速是七級風損害那麼嚴重郭金子去的第一天就被調走了當然要憨慨遠襲可是是不是因為就在如同作戰嘛那你剛講你們的替代役竟然到十幾號才去一個禮拜多你們怎麼堆起災民啊 |
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我們都每天都有很多一百九的參觀的替代役服務役人員在現場服務協助我們不是只有我們是真派替代役的人員我們不是說沒有替代役的人員在現場在國軍有史以來第一次沒有去救災的同時你們人力派遣這麼慢的同時至少我剛剛講發生了兩起很大的悲劇我覺得你死亡人數還是要加上去該去撫恥了該去慰問了趕快去第二個是讓人家生氣了 |
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災情那麼嚴重民眾都已經跟你們講了當著總統的面拜託要求了國軍不去市長你們負責救災利益連累乃至國軍沒有去依照災防救法地方縣市政府要求國軍要去對不對如果受災非常嚴重國軍要主動去 |
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那是反應嗎?有提醒首頭嗎?國安部也出動了4000多人次前去救災救援我們在整個災情中央應變中心的過程裡面從7月8號開始7月5號開始設置之來我們就不斷的派遣相關的軍力還有人力、民力、好,替代役都有到現場去協助、去幫忙那麼相關的人力的不足或是我們都後續都有在補充、在補足那麼 |
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他救災還是根本謊言被拆穿我剛講的那個場景那麼清清楚楚在災後的已經到了第五天那時候台灣民眾黨已經提了正式的案子要求要重訴因為災情一件一件又爆回來沒有人去幫人 人力不夠嘛所以才有那個賴清德11號到了台南那個場景嘛結果民眾是怎麼跟他講的我們需要國軍 |
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國際依照法令本來就該去第二個你們內政部為什麼沒有積極去爭取對不對相關的民力人力物力包括國軍我們其實都有派遣也都有出許相關的紀錄都有我們都可以調給委員看你剛剛講十幾號你們還派替代役替代役是增加的我們是真派替代役本來現場就有替代役我們在場就有替代役 |
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人力本來就有你來看結果,好台南跟嘉義超過一萬八千個家庭,房子的屋頂被掀走了進戶設什麼事情第一個,到今天還有多少戶還沒有修建完成三四千戶嘛,只有台南可能要兩三千戶嘉義可能也要幾百戶啊外國用東街就要有百多戶,還沒用完啊宜甸比較多,跟寶寶比較多 |
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那更嚴重了 處長你們做什麼幫忙你們發環部發環部 |
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我們不是只有幫忙我們協助了很多地方的民眾我們請地方的工班也都過去幫忙我們也協調了慈濟也協調了那個台積電都進相當的工班都進去協助幫忙那麼地方政府也積極跟我們合作配合所以許多的地方政府其實也派遣了許多的人力物力都在地方上面進行協助我們的替代役我們的那個警消的替代役也都進去協助了 |
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事實上許多的人都在這邊現場做很多的志工跟服務那個市長我希望你今天巡打的時候要注意兩個很重要的事情第一個台南跟嘉義到現在很多人的家裡還是殘破不堪的滿目倉儀的第二個今天還來得及我覺得今天該派下去的人力該有的物資要趕快趕快去賴清德總統去的第五天蔡平是埋怨說 |
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除了里長之外市政府人中央的觀點都沒有到啊我現在更進一步跟你講光是我我送環部光是一個役主我就送了三批耶民眾一些山津人士知道這個災情到了第五天看到賴總統去的時候民眾說要需要環部家裡是殘破不堪的已經第五天要多淒慘啊你想像你家裡面五天停電房子是殘破不堪的你怎麼住 |
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沒水又沒電就是陳庭威今天講的連通信有些都沒有耶像個孤島那時候政府在哪裡包括一些媒體朋友拜託你們一下多報導好不好我送了三部環部過去他們帶已經第五天了 |
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民眾帶我去看他們家園殘破不堪那個路上電線可能不是吹倒耶是整個斷掉耶有一條路短短的我走不到30公尺大家看一下這個畫面 |
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這個不是催 催倒是整個那個電線桿 兩個電線桿這樣子整個被封整個催倒一條路上十幾根電線桿旁邊就是餘溫一族是全台灣乳族 乳 乳乳最多的好多魚都死掉了你看那個黑暗的地方 你去看那個魚肉已經 叮叭 都浮上來了 |
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結果到今天今天他發現災情這麼嚴重的時候現在那個最擔心是什麼你家裡面如果現在屋頂是用環布蓋住市長現在如果又下大雨怎麼辦 |
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我們已經在之前就已經跟地方縣政府都已經通報過遇到相關的災害我們其實都已經有後備的那個收容中心都已經準備好事實上在那個週末的時候因為颱風的關係事實上已經請嘉義縣政府跟台南市政府準備好收容中心而且許多相關的那個受災戶也已經都到收容中心去了 |
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所以這些相關的準備其實我們都有準備好那我們也積極的去照顧所有的災民那政府也在7月18號我們就已經將相關的補助措施我們都已經通過也積極在跟地方政府合作那把發放慰問金跟整個後續的災害的準備跟修復包括我們剛才講的我們透過慈濟透過台積電還有許多的工班的協助我們不是只有蓋防布盤我們包括整個的災後的房屋的整個修繕 |
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作業我們整體都在進行當中就到目前為止還有好幾千戶家裡面都只是用帆布有些甚至到現在連帆布都沒有這多悲慘的一個狀況所以我今天我嚴正的要求趕快再增派人力去好不好物資趕快再進去我們會積極處理市長真的很丟臉啊你看一下這個情況我們會積極處理我們已經在積極處理政府還沒除過人力進去的時候詐騙集團已經進去了 |
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民眾現在嘉義跟台南民眾碰到什麼問題要找人來修復 要擺2個位沒有物料喔他們已經受災了超過兩個禮拜了現在要找人來修 要跟2個位要擺2個位要擺到那些該有的材料也都沒有結果碰刺的是詐騙集團已經進去了你政府不做詐騙集團先趕進去了這框那個業者 |
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隨便幫你拉個環部騙走了19萬還不是一個個案這個案我們第一時間就掌握也抓到了第一時間我們掌握我們就抓到了所以我們不會讓民眾被騙我們也會保護所有民眾的安全部長你不會覺得很難過嗎很丟臉嗎這本是政府該做的事情如果政府早就把這個修站做好 |
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怎麼會有詐騙集團進去委員這是120年來我們第一次遇到的大災害我們會全力來協助對嘛這個就是我今天要提醒大家的嘛120年來的第一次從嘉義這個登陸是七疾風 |
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停電超過一百萬戶一萬八千個家庭的房子到那時候殘破不堪政府到底那時候應該不只國金進去嘛要請全力去幫忙嘛結果就是因為救援太慢弄到現在現在現在台南還有一些民眾 |
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我們從7月5號設置開始我們就不斷的派遣相關的軍力、民力還有各方的力量、志工、團體都進去裡面協助我想請委員就是我們一定全力去協助所有該做的事情也謝謝委員的指教剛講的是房子昨天陳平碑都看不下去跑出來講通訊有人受傷了因為信號不通 |
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來不及救治 人就不幸走了我連上個禮拜 已經進入第二個禮拜了我上禮拜回嘉義 回去台南某些地方連我電話都接不到 我連LINE都接不到總統可以當著民眾的面講說 勾勾紋流勾勾紋流只有一個中華電信 其他兩家呢 |
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我跟你講我的電話我的手機也是中華電信啊我很多地方的LINE都接不到嘛我一直救災要聯絡事情民眾看到災情那民眾傳那個簡訊說可以提供一部分的經費趕快去買電鋸為什麼要送電鋸樹倒大一片你沒有電鋸鋸開你怎麼去收拾那些倒下來的樹 |
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停電你要發電機要物資要防部電話打不通到上禮拜還是這樣子現在連陳廷輝昨天出來講在台南有些地方通訊都還有問題相關的通訊設備我們都已經都已經協調各個電信廠商都已經進去了當然相關的電訊設備也都有機器的完成在處理當中所有的系統都在恢復當中 |
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我請那個農業部部長那個經濟部郭部長我今天就不問你了因為等一下我們會有立法會另外來問那個光電的這次污染這個問題你今天報告裡面經濟部今天報告裡面講到說光電板大部分已經整理差不多我實際給他看一下光電板的狀況嘉義啊有四個地方有水上的這個光電 |
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我去詢問在那個製縫室上面做的那個這個已經是風災的第11天了我去的時候風災的第11天 你看右上角這是湖板 整個都已經飄到旁邊去了它本來是要承載那個光電板的變成這樣 右上角湖板都已經被打到那個岸邊去了右下角 |
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那個光電板 太陽能光電板整個翻過來了我去的時候已經是風災的第十一天了整理不到十分之一結果今天經濟部說大部分已經處理好了部長你說你說 我只是請你要盡快啦因為有次長在上禮拜來打詢的時候他講說99都已經處理好了這裡面兩個很大問題 第一個有沒有污染的問題 |
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這旁邊就是海喔 尤其是在宜溫然後在台南市那個光電板打上來 還把台南市的警察局的警車砸壞了好幾步很多家庭房子是被那個光電打到 還有人被打到所以一個是在安全的問題 設施的問題 第二個現在沒有污染的問題 甚至錯誤的能源政策 你把核電停掉的時候 你要發展光電 |
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山上也是光電 海裡也是光電結果安全嗎有汙染嗎風災來了 你為什麼禁不起風吹風吹呢你事後趕快要整理啊 有汙染的問題啊有沒有雜傷人的問題啊整個能源政策要怎麼改啊今天時間有限 |
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我就不再請教這個郭部長了我請回去趕快好好處理這個問題我知道等一下也有其他立委問這個題目這次颱風體檢了我們光電的這個一堆的弊病所以我們會追到底我請教陳部長剛剛還有民進黨立委還在造謠那個錢不過的事情救災的預算裡面有一個霸王條款 |
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災害防救法第57條就是你剛剛講的以緩救急對不對 你剛剛也講嘛你的基金有372億耶以緩救急就是在災害發生的時候災害最優先 什麼可能簽不過的問題第二個 我們行政院還有災害防救的這個今年的預算 50億 |
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第二預備薪八十億怎麼可能出現錢不過啊你剛剛也講 你剛剛講說行政院要報到立法院對不對我跟委員報告 |
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當初您刪了這個九千萬是公務撥補基金只要撥補基金的經費被刪了以後根據預算法第二十二條我們就不能凍資二倍金除非經過立法院同意對嘛 所以你能不能一步說送立法院但是相對的就是說我送立法院的話要多久時間才能通過包括我們現在的最佳預算還躺在立法院另外我要跟委員報告喔 |
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天災的部分是非常急迫的以去年來講我們編27億結果最後是75億在那裡面我們就動資了22億的預備金很快的就能夠讓農民得到一些救助今年我們編了39億部長你不要誤導民眾你現在最直接我現在問你最直接最直接的我覺得沒有誤導民眾現在救災的錢有沒有不夠你跟我講有沒有不夠我找人要去講有沒有不夠但是這一次下去一定不夠 |
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這次完結束以後一定不夠到什麼時候風災再來而且下次為什麼就不夠我跟您等一下等一下等一下我跟您報告喔部長你對一個新公民黨講你這是救災錢有少一毛錢不夠嗎我告訴你有沒有 |
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有沒有這雷馬錢不夠對著全國民眾講現在沒有不夠 39億已經花了21億了畢竟這次台灣不算 已經花了21億根據過去我們現在32.5億的粗暴至少我們救助至少要40億第一個 現在沒有不夠 部長清清楚楚講的對不對所以不要再造謠錢不夠的問題第二 我剛剛講了第五範圍的大王銷款 |
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災害防救法第57條所有各級機關的預算災害防救法本身它是用非常多的不是只有農業災害防救法裡面所需要的錢不是只有給農業部的包括經濟部包括內政部包括你剛才講的那些民房的損失這些要救助然後災害防救法以農業部來講是以天然災害救助基金為主 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
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我不夠的時候我也不能動之其他的基金的部分基金您剛才說的基金我們比去年多可是相對的這個基金裡面我們列的是什麼我們列的是對肥料的補助我們列的是對子女眷居金的一個補助我們列的是對於所謂的那個貸款的一個現金的差額補助所以我們增加的經費是 |
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有他的用途 不能說隨便就來挪來挪去我砍的那九千萬就是砍那個壞蛋 超時期蛋花我們人民納稅錢五點三億的結果全部的基金三百七十二 你一定講說救災不夠你其他錢用到什麼地方去了你一直強調 你一直強調糧食要我們 |
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要增加供糧的經費我們在這次的預算裡面增加的又有一部分是糧食的經費所以每一項我們增加的經費都是有科目的我們不能說今天救災的我就挖洞牆補吸牆對嘛我砍了你九千臭雞蛋的錢嘛你為什麼說跟救災有關係當然有關係啊你怎麼聽不懂欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
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那個是農業發展基金的這個小基金裡面的你講的救助基金又是另外一個基金啊跟病不一樣你怎麼亂湊我告訴你我再講最後一次當你刪了公務撥補基金你只要刪了以後所有的基金就當你經費不夠就不能用所謂的二倍金 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
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除非說經過立法院同意所以你承認兩個基金不一樣了嘛對不對第一個你講的是說需要通過用第二億北京要經過立法院那你就送啊部長我告訴你 天來一塞立法院如果第二億北京為了救災第二億北京沒過我張起來 吃掉立委 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
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我告訴你 天災有很高的不確定性當我們需要經費的時候 所有的經費我們如果直接報運同意就可以用了如果今天還要透過立法院 還要經過程序委員會還要所有東西 還要表決那相對的那個時間上沒辦法來得及啊所以我特別強調的 我只是講客觀的事實我絕對沒有造謠 |
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這就是造謠第一個你的錢到目前沒有一毛錢不夠對不對我說的是以後不夠的時候我說以後的第二個你一直在講我剛講災害防救法有各式各樣可以用當然補貼農民救助農民這災害損失都是我跟委員報告齁最重要你一直造謠一直補定補定我跟委員講你造謠的關鍵就是說第二億北京要送立法院那你就送啊 |
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我告訴你 我跟你強調天然災害救助的時候它有它的高度不確定性我們的經費如果說還要再經過立法院維護你以後再造謠你第二邊去趕快送 送來沒有 我拿一點造謠 |
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7302.726 |
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為什麼要講 講現在錢不夠的事情我告訴你 他們說以後不夠我們就是請行政院把第二預備金趕快送來立法院我們通過 那我們不要再進這個問題再繼續爭議好不好主席報告一下 第一個 現在不到用第二預備金啦現在錢就夠啦 剛剛部長也承認了嘛所以鄰近黨立委在造星天 這個時候錢不夠 |
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第二個 你如果一直認為第二天一定要送以後嘛 對不對 不是這一次嘛送來 我跟你報告 現在的現在的速報是32.5億根據我們的經驗速報32.5億啊 我們的災損喔要補助現金救濟要補助至少超過40億柏定 你過去四年啊 每一年你的天然災害救濟基金 每年都去追加嘛 |
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古泥就追了十幾億啊有什麼時候沒有過基金跟動物醫生不一樣基金是可以先用的喔你要舊財你錢不夠你先用完並結算過去都是這樣子 包括去年追了十幾億黑果農業部 黑米的地位還要造謠 |
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黑愛救急捏我跟以前從來沒有人刪這個公務撥補所以我們凍資二倍金可以直接去凍資現在不行啊所以去年度我們凍資了22億的第二倍金來救災特別是什麼特別是那個凱米、三坨耳跟康瑞台風三個台風我們損失了75億所以鼓勵 |
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7394.874 |
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你先用了四十幾億嘛因為你去年沒有被刪啊基金的用法就是你可以先用 緊急狀況就先用因為你刪了啊 刪了就不能動了 被基金就聽不到啦然後並結算就夠啦你也在用這個方法啊對不對 有太多太多方法台灣的法治跟救災非常完整的沒有民進黨在那邊造謠什麼救基金不過這個事情我告訴你 我絕對沒有造謠喔我絕對沒有造謠 我只是把事實我把事實呈現而已啊 |
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7425.994 |
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是不是整個問題都清楚了沒有錢不夠對不對我說在今天這個時間點沒有錢不夠第三個你再講第二一杯今天要送禮拜我說的我說的是錢不夠的時候不能夠我送來過你就下台好 謝謝抱歉大家今天有火氣啦我還是拜託大家到目前為止颱風第十五天了我的家一鄉親還有很多人家裡面還是殘破不堪的 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7427.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7456.284 |
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很多修復的只放了帆布蓋在上面有些連修理都還沒修如果是你你敢住在裡面嗎這是多麼無奈的一個事情台南更多耶結果政府人民就求救了總統說國軍沒辦法什麼事都做要社區去自救今天我們明確的要求包括內政部派更多人力 |
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7457.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7469.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
國際線海關演習已經結束了還來得及 拜託一下趕快去多幫幫我們的災民趕快讓嘉義跟台南重建讓人民可以安居樂業回到正常生活 謝謝好 休息十分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7476.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7477.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
不會啦,在鬧像這邊有什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7505.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7505.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
7519.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7519.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
鲍鱼 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7551.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7555.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
背著不煮飯耶背著不煮飯耶然後全都吃不吃到 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
7563.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7570.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
是,對,我說,對,我說,對,對,對,問他那種白痴方式,有自私啊什麼什麼的,這到底這個案子是怎麼來的,然後他說要咱們分擔起來。 |
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7587.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7591.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
所以這搞不好是什麼東西才會知道所以要問國安部才會知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
7615.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7631.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
然後我請問一下 它是國家防災與震災那震災 比方說不是震災對 我知道對 我說可是 我知道我知道我說可是這次是跟震災有關嘛 對不對這次 對 它都演震災所以震災如果進一步是是我 對不對 |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7650.104 |
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是不是玻璃絲?所以是...所以是...對,所以水電穩定小組,那就不會涉及到什麼?只有水跟電嗎?不會吧,水力屬嗎?只有水力屬對嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
7660.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7669.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
那還會有什麼 圓館局會不會對嘛 所以我說他們內容到底要點到什麼我們要去找什麼人去弄這個預算你懂我的意思嗎 我的意思是說那店 店怎麼可能會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7699.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
電坑跟煙也有啊對啊對水也是修復啊所以水電也是修復啊所以還有什麼單位 因為萬一這個不是 我們希望小型的可能要一些單位 |
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| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7712.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
你確定?你確定是水利署最多嗎?你確定是水利署最多嗎?風災是水利署主在還有風災,一切是正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7724.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7741.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
你現在是正在用工具出錢那你現在除了水電工資以外還有什麼時間給人家水電械有什麼本事這個是純粒 純二板可是可能我們多找一些單位來要去攤錢還用不上錢其實我只要攤一百五十萬對對對對對對對對要從議題要找單位對不對然後才可以找錢好 好 OK |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7752.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7758.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
今天會清碗啊快快快快快快快快快快快快快快快快快快 |
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7779.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
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因為整個都弄下來了電線幹太多了因為他們電線幹嘛你剛才沒有跟我說因為他們那個查理他住的地方我一塊因為那個 |
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那是金載金載我們金載我們金載 |
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這應該很快結束因為才總共只16個 |
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對不起啊,情緒失控啊,對不起啊因為我三年要趕到台東我大概兩年多會走,如果兩年還沒進去,應該不會啦 |
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謝謝 謝謝 |
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好现在开会请张嘉俊委员做询答 |
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謝謝主席我想請陳部長陳部長這個是誰的我也好 |
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部長辛苦了我想這次丹納斯颱風我也看到你南北奔波全台勘栽的確是辛苦了那本席來自農業大縣那我想責無旁貸一定要為我們的農民發聲那我想要先請教部長我想也請部長好好回答這個問題農業部啟動全品項免限勘的補助標準到底是什麼 |
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除了農業損失超過千分之五跟振豐達十級以上有沒有任何沒有明說的隱形標準呢 |
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我可不可以報告第一個您剛才說的千分之五這個的規定已經在今年的三四月間修正過了所以已經沒有這個標準了那請問標準是什麼可以告訴我嗎全體下免限刊的補助標準是什麼我先回答您剛才講的就是千分之五的部分現在已經在天然災害救助規則裡面已經修掉了已經沒有這個依據了第二個部分是時機陣風就免限刊也沒有這個規定 |
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那所以現在呢 現在的標準是什麼現在我們分兩個部分喔免限刊的部分喔如果說根據我們的天然災害的天氣參數裡面不是每個品項喔我們因為它必須陸陸續續的公告那你先告訴我全品項的標準是什麼 |
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全品項的部分是第一個我們判斷它整個颱風進來的時候它如果對於它的那個區域那個區域可能是一個鄉鎮可能是一個縣如果具有普遍性的受災的時候所以你現在是在告訴我說你是沒有任何數據依據我們是透過專家會議 |
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透過專家會議可以去做這樣的一個處理這是為了所以是沒有任何現在目前全品項免限刊你再告訴我是沒有任何有數據的依據嗎我跟委員報告全品項跟免限刊是兩件事情我們要先公告公告的時候我們可以用一個品項一個品項公告 |
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我當然知道等一下我要問你一個一個品項但是我現在就問你怎麼樣啟動因為過去是有農業損失超過千分之五然後振豐達十級以上的這個條件那 |
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雲林縣這一次其實是符合公告損失千分之五的雲林縣農業產值430億千分之五是兩億一千萬目前農損已經超過4.5億 |
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遠超標準而且如果假設是氣候參數陣風達10級以上雲林縣20個鄉鎮有17個鄉鎮是達到陣風10級以上甚至沿海的鄉鎮還有超過17級陣風的結果這樣子你告訴我說沒有達標全品項沒有免限刊也沒有到底是為什麼呢你可以告訴我原因嗎我剛才已經跟委員 |
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很明確的講就是說千分之五這個標準已經取消了那是三月取消的對 今年的應該三月中為什麼原因取消的呢因為用整個產業你用什麼取代這個東西呢還是你現在就打算就沒有標準就是你部長一個人說了就算了絕對不是我部長一個人說了就算了那你專家會議的組成是怎麼組成的 |
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專家會議的組成是我們所有的試驗改良場所在第一線勘栽的包括我們的農林漁序的分屬的部分所以人數是多少然後組成是多少 |
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我們人數是依照我們的我們要去檢討的這個品項如果今天是農糧類的就是農糧署還有農糧署的分數所以你覺得專家會議會不會恍不濟急呢會不會說颱風來了你還要把這些人都叫進來然後在那邊開會這是符合我們救災程序的嗎 |
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我告訴你我要跟委員報告現在的就在程序就是有地方政府提報以後做釋放限刊我知道這些你不用再跟我說我不清楚嗎所以我現在是在問你全體像免限刊到底標準是什麼假設你說三四月已經取消了農業產值的標準那你的心 |
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標準是什麼可以告訴我們嗎我們針對全品項如果要公告的時候我們的所有的試驗感染場所包括我們分組的同仁會在整個災區去看一遍所以你也不確定專家會議的人數是多少是嗎他會根據你要討論的議題所以你這個是你有一個很明確的規範嗎有嗎有可以提供我們委員會所有的委員參考嗎因為不只是我 |
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我相信包括蔡易宇委員 包括陳廷輝委員還有包括謝依鳳主席他們都會需要有一個這樣子的指引那我們很清楚知道說哪一個項目 哪一個品項是哪一些委員會跟我們做這個專家會議而且專家會議到底要開多久我舉一個例好了 我舉一個例 |
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這一次呢其實我真是希望救災是要不分藍綠的面對颱風來襲我們所有的農民他不只是生存受到威脅他的這些農產品是已經就是血本無歸了結果讓農民感受到差別待遇這就是二度傷害部長 |
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我們雲林縣的農業損失 農作物損失不包括漁業好了 我先把漁業排除是全國第二遠高於嘉義結果在7月7號農業部就公告說嘉義台南全品項補助雲林沒有 |
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然後一直到7月18號下午4點為止雲林縣的農業損失已經高達4億3666萬僅次於台南是全國第二到目前為止我們還沒有被公告全品項免限刊到底是什麼樣子的依據你覺得嘉義可以嘉義損失比我們少他可以全品項免限刊我們雲林縣不可以你告訴我原因可以嗎 |
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第一個部分颱風從嘉義進來那個時候因為這次颱風最主要是風量的關係所以你的依據是它颱風登陸的位置是嗎 |
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我們考量的是一個非常多的一個專業的考量第一個不是台風的路徑所帶來的風速那那個風速本身在嘉義台南地區它有普遍性的造成你剛剛不是跟我說你不參考這個什麼時級陣風嗎我沒有說沒有我說時級陣風沒有所謂的時級陣風免限刊這件事情 |
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那所以也沒有全品項那你剛才現在又告訴我說這個嘉義因為陣風比較大所以我剛才說的就是我要開全品項的時候我第一個一定考量到整個的颱風的路徑它所帶來的特別是風速那嘉義台南的地區它大概的風速大概是14到17級的風所以你現在告訴我最新的依據是要14到17級的陣風才可以開全品項嗎 |
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這個東西沒有說絕對的一個標準所以部長我希望你要訂定一個明確的標準這未來你要做事也很有依據我們現在也訂了非常多的項目當然沒有包括全部的項目它的風速如果達到某個程度的時候 |
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所以希望你盡快的把它明確定出來因為這對於你農業部你也好做事然後對於縣市政府他也好做事對於農民他心裡才會有一個依據嘛你為什麼不把它明定出來呢我現在也沒有要檢討你說你是不是大細心你是不是有這個偏頗我現在告訴你說你要趕快定定明確的標準啊 |
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你要讓所有人心中覺得說這樣確定我一定有這我再問你 我就問你好了因為沒有全品項的補助我們雖然是農作物損害全國第二高沒有全品項救助在雲林我們已經開了98項的品項了 |
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我就是要告訴你是 你要一項一項開從那一天颱風來開始我們在 我們賴總統去勘災的時候那個時候開33項那時候爆出51項 你開33項像擠牙膏一樣 一次擠一點點 一次擠一點點因為沒有全品項的補助因為我們是高專業的個性 |
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我先講 我不曉得你的專業依據是什麼啦反正台南嘉義就是7月7號就公告全品項了我們到目前為止才慢慢一點一點的公告受災的農民非常大的困擾 困擾是什麼我就問你 落花生的公告日期申請區域跟申請期限你知道嗎7月10號是 然後咧 期限到什麼時候 |
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所謂期限是什麼意思就是你報的那個期限啊沒有 10天啊然後我們也特別問了雲林縣政府我講給你聽好了申請的區域是全縣然後第四波公告第四波7月10號公告期限到7月29號然後那N3的公告日期申請區域申請期限的7月9號那他的申請區域呢 |
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西螺二輪赤銅是然後呢然後他期限到什麼時候所謂的期限就是公告受理期限是10天嘛他現在受理的期限是到7月23號那我問你啊那是有再延長5天是那我問你啊土庫的芹菜可以申請嗎什麼土庫的芹菜可以申請嗎 |
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很抱歉喔 因為所以嘛 我現在就告訴你說這就是農民的現況了就是部長你會錯亂 他們也會錯亂你覺得每一個農民都跟他進幾行嗎他們可能進三行 進四行你每一個申請的時程公告時程都不一樣區域也不一樣 |
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你如果是 你是部長而且你還是這一方面的專家你可能頭腦都比他們清楚很多你知道我們現在面臨的可能都是六十歲 七十歲 八十歲的農民他覺得幾天他就補不清楚啦你要叫他補兩天 補三天每天都不一樣是要怎麼補啦 |
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我跟委員報告不要大聲喔因為我這個人我是不想對你大聲我希望你拿出你的專業我會回應喔我希望拿出你的同理心我告訴你所有的災害不可能在同一天全部公告那你現在告訴我說7月7號就公告全品項的嘉義跟台南 |
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那個是因為當時的風速嘛我拜託你要拿出你就把它訂定一個標準以後我就尊重你的標準你不要現在沒有標準你告訴我說就是颱風的路徑什麼的我跟委員報告齁所有的天然擦害擦害的樣態有非常多二輪的芹菜可以申請嗎 |
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到什麼時候輪背的芹菜可以申請嗎到什麼時候就光你 你就搞不清楚了這麼雜亂分批次公告的訊息請問品項又這麼多各個鄉鎮的我講完就跟你講 |
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各個品項這麼多不同的鄉鎮時間都不同你要這些農民怎麼因應品項申請然後擺擺種讓我們的農民無所依據農民他整理田裡面的損失就已經來不及了所以部長 |
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我現在 我不是要對你大聲 我也沒必要對你大聲我是希望你要有同理心現在我們不是在爭對或錯或者是說 你有沒有開全品項我現在是在告訴你說 我們受損這麼嚴重你剛剛就講了 你公告了93項的這個開放品項98項你看都快要破百了 |
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都快要破百了那你為什麼要堅持說沒有辦法全品項呢你的堅持是什麼你可以告訴本席說你農業部專業的評斷是專業在哪一個部分上說我們雲林縣沒有辦法開全品項好我可以回答了我第一個跟委員報告 |
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就是因為有同理心我才用主動公告的方式來處理而不是由縣市政府去掀開這第一點第二點就是說你一直說那麼多品項我記不起來那麼多品項我的確是沒辦法每一個縣市哪一個區域開哪一個品項我的確沒辦法百分之百了解但是我的相關的同仁會了解你沒辦法他們也沒辦法 |
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相對的縣市政府我們透過公告這個天然災害不是今天才第一次發生過去很多發生了而且你也知道天然災害的樣態是不一樣的我不可能在第一時間全部公布所以我才告訴你說你要有一個大範圍的規範就好像你當初你說農業這個產值千分之五 |
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那大家都可以算嘛你說十級陣風以上這個就是統一的嘛你可不可以有一個統一的標準你如果有一個統一的標準我想喔大家都心服口服你知道嗎你現在告訴我說這些統一的標準你都取消了你要開始用專家會議取代那你也要告訴我說你專家會議的依據是什麼我現在只是想要為我們雲林縣的農民來請命啦就是說希望未來颱風來襲你有一個 |
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統一的標準統一的標準你不要讓人家有欠奉插針的機會說你颱風來了你還分顏色或者是大小吧因為受苦的這些基層最努力的農民他不能夠理解啊那最後我想要講一下就是這個水稻保險其實水稻保險大家都努力了好多年那其實呢 |
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很多農民他現在就在講啊雖然這一次這一次我必須要講你們主動啟動災害股的這個收災害股我覺得是值得讚許的包括說青園補助5.5萬等等這些都是積極主動的作為我覺得是正向的正面的但我也必須要講 |
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你應該還是要啟動要不你就現金救助要不你就是水稻保險就好像去年花東的二期做應該讓他們能夠有二則一的機會啊 |
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我跟委員報告因為在那個當下其實雲林已經收穫了將近90%所以剩下10%所以我沒有辦法同時開放所以我用災害股去處理那後續的保險還是會平割如果說他達到災損的情況之下他還是可以得到理賠 |
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所以現在的意思就是說假設他已經交了災害股假設他已經交了災害股但是他算起來還是損失20%以下他還是可以得到他的保險對就是跟我們農業保險的部分如果說我們最後的產量區域產量如果低於20%的時候那什麼時候會算出說他的區域產量是少於20%要全部收割完以後的一個月之內我們就會公告那所以假設目前已經全部收割完了 |
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現在還有大概七成沒有百分之七左右沒有收 百分之七左右這其實也快收完了差不多在十天以內應該就收完了吧收完以後我們就會統計我跟委員報告齁災害股是一件事情是我們的救助但是農業保險還是它的本如果農業保險本身如果達到理肥標準我們照樣理肥不會因為你有收穫股就可以所以那這個區域怎麼公告呢什麼時候你說一個月後嗎我剛才說就是 |
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該地區全部沒有全部收完以後的一個月之內我們就會公告好我希望可以禁訴應該是要禁訴因為過去他們都覺得說好像是要收割二三個月之後才能夠得到理賠好不好一個月禁訴的來公告那最後呢我想我也不要占委員會太多時間因為已經超出時間了那最後我還是要講就是有關於第二預備金的事情假設 |
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部長現在已經覺得未來有可能動用你一定要儘速開始準備因為立法院包括我們經濟委員會絕對會支持也絕對不會擋你使用第二預備金所以呢我希望說為了農民為了災民我們都不要意氣用事然後要趕快解決問題那所以如果你認為可能會不夠你要趕快儘速送來趕快來審議千萬不要影響到未來的救災這樣好不好 |
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我想所有的天然災害就是我們第一優先的那不管經費怎麼樣我們也會來努力同樣的就是說我是用專業的角度去承受事實你的專業 我跟你說你的專業必須要變成一個標準可以嗎你可以把你全品項免限刊的標準把它訂定出來 |
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讓大家不要以後再在這個台上在爭議這種浪費時間的事情好嗎可以嗎我相信你的專業我相信你的專業好不好你把它白紙黑字寫下來未來我們就照著這個標準下去爭取好不好好辛苦了謝謝好謝謝現在請蔡易瑜委員做詢答 |
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謝謝謝謝主席那我們是不是有請經濟部部長跟我們台電的董事長鄭董事長董事長好部長好那部長這一次這一個颱風那 |
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大概我的選區是最重的災區啦但是我們這邊台電的斷桿攔腰斷掉的這些電線桿超過1400根1450幾所以以斷桿的數量來說我們甚至比台南還多 |
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那如果以停電的戶數來說,因為台電在嘉義是嘉義區處嘛,所以我們單市嘉義就有25萬戶的停電嘉義市有10萬戶,加克萊斯35萬戶停電的量能是需要被修復的,這個也是在以單一區處來說也是全國居冠 |
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所以我也是覺得在這一次的這個斷桿造成的這樣停電的一個狀況我覺得我們應該是學到了很多SOP我記得我第三天的時候當署長曾董事長打給我那打給我他跟我反映了一件事情就是說台電的很多的工班事實上他們在清理這些斷桿 |
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花了太多的時間所以我去電話中我就跟董事長那達成一個默契就是由我這邊來調用民間的一些大型機具包括怪獸啦包括夾娃車啦我去斷桿移除 |
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讓台電專業可以附電可以拉電線桿的台電人員專心去附電我們來移除電線桿所以在這樣的一個默契之下事實上整個進度是推進很多但是在於處理這個電線桿的時候我們也是遇到障礙遇到什麼障礙就是我們的人不敢去把機器電池關上 |
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所以我們後來還是要請台電再派出一組叫做真空油壓檢測先去把這個這個路障的一個排除但是所以這個事實上都是一個我從這裡學到的一些經驗那當然我們這後來再加速了整個 |
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台電的附電過程這個加速的過程我看到事實上台電的員工包括外包商的員工每天都嚴重的超時工作所以後來在一煮發生了這個台電的員工他可能過於疲勞然後有一些在附電應該要注意的狀況可能 |
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他沒有確認好事實上那個高壓電是有電的然後去觸摸到高壓電然後造成他現在還是昏迷的狀況所以這件事我們真的很感厚所以我想要跟部長跟總董事長來反映的就是說這次這裡台電附電的人來協助附電的人這麼辛苦 |
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每天都這樣超時的工作事實上他們每天付出的都遠超於說這段時間他們可能有加班的一些狀況都遠超過了啦所以我是覺得這個應該要列一個專案獎金那來給不管是台電我們正職來協助復電的或者是這一些外包的一些實際來參與復電的那應該要編一條專案獎金然後要來感謝他們可以在10天尤其我昨天又看到一個新聞說 |
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我們嘉義最後以護平生用電也完成復電看到新聞都覺得很高興也很感謝可是我覺得感謝之餘我們應該要有具體的作為讓這一些來協助復電的人會覺得說他們替國家替我們南部地區來復電是有一定的一些大家對他們的一些表示的好不好 |
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是謝謝委員我想這一次也讓委員幫助很多那我們台電在復電的這個過程裡面單獨靠台電我們自己的專業的人是不夠的所以我在這個整個的救災的過程裡面也跟這個台電的同仁一起開會那我們也一直想怎麼樣讓我們的國人能夠早一天有電 |
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那事實上台電為什麼一直到最後比較晚復電我們到現場去看大概就可以了解大部分 |
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末端的這些支線的部分其實都是要經過非常大的空曠的餘溫這個電都是在洋廠小徑上面電條都在那裡 燈在那裡所以在附電很困難附電的難度太高了昨天我也去新聞的那個我知道 |
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那個我一看啦那個場子106個這個足球場那麼大那個你說業者 我去問業者業者說他要清兩個月我說這個兩個月大概太久了所以我們昨天也開會一直討論討論也藝足鄉的鄉長也跳出來跟我們講我們終於有把握應該在月底之前我們就可以努力把它這個處理完 |
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這一個是非常難 那個地方主要是沒有車樓我們的舊港府車都大隻但是那個路線小條 那個吊車外景不知道有車啦不知道有車就無法去處理那些電條的關係所以這邊比較抱歉對港府的 |
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國人啊,我們護電有比較慢,不過這個給我們一個新的核心就是說以後我們可以用這個上電的部分,不一定是台電先去上電我們可以用其他的方法,比如說用這個儲能櫃或者是我們調這個這個發電機,升來給這個這個我們的個人,他需要,他可以 |
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可以有水有這個通行因為沒電子這些都沒有嘛所以這是我們最大的學習啦好部長我覺得這個當然是未來我們要怎麼做啦不然我剛才說的就是說這次台電的復電他們是有功的是我希望不定日第一我們會一定會以後這個我們也會改善啦但是對這一次他們願因為他也很急啦因為當年超時 |
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超時我們也跟他講說這個我們還是要按照這個標準來請他們休息但是他講說 哎呀 署長他們心裡想要趕快復健所以事實上雖然超時 可是你看面對那麼多鄉親大家鄉親看到他們來就打電話給大家說我店要收尾孫來那個是人的心態 所以他們主人都會假面很多時間 |
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體力的負荷是真的是非常大這個我們這一次也會深刻的檢討當然也謝謝委員我們一定會加重來對他們給他們一些這個一個比較能夠持平的獎勵啦這個獎勵一定是到過去了好 那先讓我們交通部交通部次長就來那我們部長可以經濟部可以先回 台電請先回 |
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市長這一次的風災還是有看出事實上交通部包括我覺得你們要跟速發部然後要跟NCC要檢討因為就是這次風災來然後電費條等於所以很多你們附掛在電感上的那些電信公司的纜線也一併的壞掉然後很多機器台也直接摧毀了所以信號是不好的 |
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那這個大家也都可以理解所以你們也出動了很多叫做行動基地台行動基地台基本上就是靠低軌衛星嘛但是低軌衛星卻在前三天發揮不了作用為什麼 雲層太厚 |
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打不上去所以連低軌衛星也派不出用場所以很多作戰指揮中心包括各地的公所包括台電在地方的一些一個修繕點的哇 電費都沒辦法這件事情凸顯的是說我們電信設備的整體的韌性是不足的 |
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所以部長這件事是需要檢討的是 我跟委員報告 這一部分當然現在國家有關通訊的部分是由NCC或蘇華部在處理或是剛才講到的這種低軌衛星等等是他們在協調調度 |
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9720.055 |
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那這一部分呢我想我們會來跟他們再來看我覺得你們再檢討一下啦好不好這件事因為我在前三天的時候我看到很多公所他們儘管已經派了行動基地車在外面他們還是一樣沒有訊號就是標準說技術上還是有很多遇到天然情況不同的時候遇到瓶頸 |
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9737.761 |
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連行動基地車來了也沒有用基地台的恢復當然更是礦日廢死所以這件事情是需要被檢討的是 我們已經有發現在災害來臨的時候電的恢復跟通訊是一個很重要的這兩件事都很重要好不好所以這個要來 我最後再請農業部長陳部長次長先回 |
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9758.952 |
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喂吼部長吼部長事實上吼在我這邊的數據啦在7月18號5點為止吼全國的農損啦台南目前是第一名啦對就45%嘉義縣是第二名啦是7億多是 |
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是第二名 佔了20幾%所以當然剛剛有不同委員去主張台南的狀況但是不要因此說我們嘉義的農損沒有他們嚴重我們也是好嚴重我們嘉義至少是在7月18的時候我們一直都是整體的災損是第二 排名第二目前看起來也還是第二嚴重的啦所以嘉義這一次確實有很大的農損那而且剛剛事實上你在講這個第二預備金的狀況 |
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9808.184 |
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以前第二預備金大概跟行政院報合訂就有了未來可能還要經過立法院同意所以剛才瑪麗說的可能要對因為被砍了這個九千萬未來我們第二預備金的調動會出現障礙的時候我們應該預作準備這件事所以部長我們應該要先這個要去正視一下我想趁這個機會再次跟委員說明其實我們歷次的說明 |
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過往我們的委員會包括院會都不會針對我們那個公務撥補基金的這個費用因為公務撥補基金一旦任何的刪減的時候那基金本身的預算就不能動之二倍金那同樣的因為基金我們每一年基金都會超支並決算但是一個非常重要的超支並決算也是要報非常多的程序所以過往有很多二倍金可以第一時間就能夠 |
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動用到育二倍金啦所以今年想像上因為今年才到7月會比較困擾會有困擾這個我覺得要預作準備啦好不好那我要跟部長講因為我們這一次不斷的對我們很多農民去跟他說我們這一次的對他們的一個幫忙勒我們會從寬從簡從素 |
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有這些都告訴他們 但是我也是聽到很多心聲 比方比方就是說 我們現在有很多那種畜牧業就是說他起家 起家他還是現代化 他有建築執照現代化的 他當然就可以去申請我們相對應的補助但是有一些畜牧業 他是傳統的家庭 所以他們只有 |
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過去的叫做續養的一個許可他們並沒有這樣的一個死罩那他們會不會被排除於在這一次他們也是同樣處定都沒了然後裡面的雞也都死掉了那這個有辦法去拿到 |
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我跟委員說明包括我們的謝朝偉也非常關心畜牧業的部分那畜牧業基本上因為依天然災害救助辦法裡面都必須要合法的所以在現在的規定是沒辦法但是我們用補助的角度去處理所以補助的時候就沒有去區分它 |
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他的一個過往是不是有登記或沒登記而且我們把畜牧業的這些將屋頂吹掉的大家重建的時候用五層拉到八層那其實五層拉到八層的時候其實某個角度來看的話部長你的意思是說你用補助的角度來來替代救助 |
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所以他們就有辦法 雖然說他們可能是比較老式的我們也希望趁這個機會把老式的這些東西能夠更新那更新的部分從原來的五成變成八成那不夠的部分他還可以用那個貸款的方式來處理所以這樣的話 農民在資金上的需求就不會那麼緊張 |
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市長部長這有千百項 很多項 我就說一項啦像比方說啦我們現在針對很多農業的部分都有補助啦但是對農企業這一塊感覺上就會有一些不足那我要舉的例子就是說 它還是要做市長的 |
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啊他一樣喔,他的治療,像他一樣,他的治療,燙全部都吹黑了所以他的治療,也都沒有啊,也都泡了水啊所以基本上也都要移除,所以移除也困難那後續上,在申請補助的時候,他們也會說,欸你看那一些道股的倉庫,公糧委託倉庫有補助啊像他們做飼料的卻沒有所以又會有一些落差存在部長這個部分是不是,我們可不可以再盤一下 |
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對 謝謝委員的關心那農企業是這一次我特別去處理的因為我一直認為農企業特別是跟一級生產有關的農企業他其實是跟農民有高度的這些所謂的關聯或者是他的夥伴關係所以我這一次特別把農企業的 |
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過往不補助的變成這次有補助50%那以蘭花來講因為蘭花現在是提出來比較多的蘭花的強固型溫室過往是沒補助的那現在可以得到50%的補助最高是900萬那您所說的這些飼料種或其他的如果他的企業還有很多深度的其他的產品跟農業無關的那很抱歉因為他是多角化經營我沒辦法處理但是我們鎖定在他們農業的這一塊 |
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如果是小型因為大型的這些飼料廠他都有他的母公司有沒有還有很多包括他的加工產品啊這個就很難但是如果是小型的這些飼料廠的時候那我們可以來規劃我可以請畜牧師來盤點一下好那這部分我們再盤點再來檢討一下原則上就是跟一級生產有關的農企業我們會盡量來協助好那因為朝偉在吹啦 |
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我直接講給內政部聽啦剛剛一直在講說這個修屋頂喔事實上你不管國軍或替代役他們都不會修屋頂啦他們不是修屋頂的專業所以你們應該要去跟勞動部去跟他們檢討啦有沒有辦法讓那一些移工 |
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由工程界的移工讓他們可以讓這些移工來協助修屋頂因為現在欠工所以欠工的部分你在跟工程界的移工來溝通替代於不會修屋頂你叫他一堆人去那裡大家也是不知道一定都會要求彭博要求彭博沒辦法徹底解決這是第一個第二個欠了 |
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因為我們現在 我不知道現在台灣要有新產傳統三合院那種的蝦皮嗎 不知道看起來這麼無聊 你如果傳統的蝦皮當然是比較單純 不然那些也都棄價了啦不然欠了 欠工這個事情 你沒辦法用國軍跟替代役來他們就是不會 沒有這個專業誰敢去修啊 好不好這個要趕快想辦法 好不好好 謝謝 |
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我們現在請楊瓊英委員做詢答謝謝主席 楊瓊英發言 邀請部長郭部長還是陳部長郭部長委員好 |
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我們努力的程度就是100分 |
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努力的程度100分就民眾的感受跟目前復健的情況呢我們到現在所有的電都已經復電了所有水第二天我們就水就倒了那因為這個災情超過這個我們想像的過去的經驗這120年來第一次有這麼大從南到北的這個颱風進到嘉南平原然後這整個吹過去17級風造成的 |
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好這些原因大家都知道但是我們是結果論看民眾大家的心聲我聽到剛剛參議委員還在說那些屋頂政府應該要有事權統一一站式的聯繫窗口這個不是只有你經濟部因為經濟部你所管的是電力的部分那其他的部分政府應該要橫向的聯繫因為我們看到政府就只有一個 |
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民眾到目前為止的痛苦我相信大家都感同身受所以我們繼續來討論 也就是我希望大家要看到 聽到人民的心聲我認為在這一次的災損 淹水以及停電 連外道路 電訊中斷等這些事件我認為政府在橫向的聯繫當中並不完美並不完整 |
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所以在這樣的情況之下我還有媒體認為在整個災區的資訊它是混亂的資源欠缺一個統籌所以在地區方面斷電斷訊還拖很久 |
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有人甚至爬到屋頂上面要維修屋頂而上命我們真的很難過更有養護中心的長輩一度陷入困境這是大家非常緊張一旦 |
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我們碰到國家的重大災難的時候大家不免苛責是應該要團結一致橫向聯繫這是本席從政以來我一再一再的堅持所以我們看到政府告訴我們要加強韌性要人民來配合但是在這一次的風態當中整個中央政府我認為反應是有遲緩的我們看到總統下鄉去講話 |
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但是我沒有看到一個整合救災的功能我認為只要國家在重大災害的時候沒有辦法讓我們的災民安心沒有辦法去保護人民甚至沒有辦法迅速的重建在這樣的情況之下連報導我看到報導台南人都說政府 |
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這讓人非常非常的憂心所以我要跟您討論的是我們經濟部我們這個主管是電力在這一次的電力損失光光電線桿倒掉了三千多隻數量之大讓我們就沉入剛剛部長你所說的從來沒有想到這麼大 |
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那麼電線斷掉的也將近要將近7000條這樣重大的一個挑戰我們要怎麼樣去應對受災的災戶有100萬戶以上那在這樣情況之下因為本席來自台中我們當時在20幾年前我們經歷過了921這一些的災難我一看我都要掉淚了我都要掉淚了所以我希望的 |
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大家應該團結一致我們來檢討怎麼樣可以讓災民更加的迅速讓災民可以安心這是我們要的所以我在這邊也要特別的強調台電的員工非常非常的辛苦那麼我們要怎麼樣去協助他們也就是我們針對於在災前的預估能力跟災後的能力配別 |
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部長 我們台電員工也有一個人要負責好幾區他怎麼做得來這是政府要協助我們台電的員工甚至外圍的人員都全力出動但是在整個橫向的一個整理我們究竟要怎麼樣去精進所以本席要請教在這邊應變的能量 |
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我們是否足夠我們是不是還有更精進的方案請教部長是 報告委員謝謝你讓我們這個台電的辛苦能夠讓大家都了解大家都很清楚我們都很感恩你要怎麼樣去協助這一次的災難我想你回想過去你的經驗921大地震的時候你知道你的台中有多久才復電嗎 |
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市長本期不同意你如此的說法你不是說去做比較你這麼回答是撕裂我們的傷口本期絕對不同意本期是請教我們部件的能力夠不夠我們可以怎麼樣精進但是你剛才在講我這一次陪總統一共跑了12個災區 |
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我們都非常的清楚所有的部會統統動起來在做但是你在看媒體的報導非常的偏頗那你要告訴媒體啊你一個政府你要讓升級的情況去顯現啊剛才你是在引述媒體的報導嘛所以我現在在跟你報告那你要給媒體請媒體給你澄清啊我現在報告委員我們現在談本是要跟你討論的我來自 |
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經歷過921我很難過我看到這樣重大災情我們應該要團結這是我說的我們必須要怎麼樣可以進去我說台電的人工一個人要副長好幾區你到底你的復健能力夠不夠我們要怎麼樣協助他你怎麼可以來做一個比較什麼什麼時候復健我告訴你 |
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我只是告訴你 我們有在努力我們非常的努力才有今天可以在10天裡完全復電報告委員 我們是非要努力所以本席請教 我們理性討論 部長我們理性討論 部長我們如本 誰說你怎麼樣本席請問你的 你有怎樣回答 |
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我們要怎麼樣協助台電 你的部件能力夠不夠 我請問夠不夠夠不夠我當然會生氣 你把一個災難跟一個災難去對比 |
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不是我只是引述你剛才所講的話來做對比如果這件事情勾起你這個不好的感覺我可以跟你道歉但是我回答你的問題請你回答本席的問題看到國家重大災難我們的政府你給台電的保健都不夠我們可以怎麼樣進去我非常禮貌的請問你 |
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我非常禮貌的請問你 我們是不是有精進方案我們當然有精進 我在跟你報告我們有沒有精進的方案 有需不需要精進我們當然有精進的方案 需要不需要精進報告委員 我在第五天就指示所有的經濟部的同仁 |
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你應該在災區的人通通可以直接請假去幫助這個復健也就是說光靠原來的這個處理因為台電要復健所以您這麼回答也就是說我們碰到重量的災難因為台電的復健是不足的我們要精進嘛 對不對所以我們考慮的非常的多我們在不斷的檢討不斷的提出不斷的精進處理方法 |
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因為我們不希望碰到重大災難 但是我們碰到了碰到了就是誠如你剛才說的是給我們一個新的學習這個新的學習 我剛剛坐在那邊聽到你回答的新的學習 我對你滿心的信心啊 |
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所以我們應該碰到重大的災難我們要怎麼樣讓國人更加的安心在整個流程SOP流程我們要怎麼做民眾碰到的問題我沒有電我去找誰我們的里長我要去找誰我們協助的人員我要在當地有怎麼樣的一個聯繫這些都是環環相扣所以我號稱我也建議政府應該要有一正式的聯繫窗口 |
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讓民眾非常的清楚讓他們在困難當中風暴當中不要再害怕這是政府最基本的責任嘛對不對報告委員您剛才所說的我們都在做 |
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非常好我們都有相同謝謝你一句非常好針對於中央部會資訊的整合跟這一次的樣態本身認為有津津的空間我具體建議民眾是我們的氏命啦北市是我們的氏命啦一個國家沒有人民就沒有了啦所以我非常的希望誠意建議我們應該中央政府要友誼戰士的聯繫窗口各部會橫向的聯繫要好好的聯想 |
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這是我衷心非常感同身受的一個說法我希望你們可以接受而且可以去精進那接下來本席要再跟你討論關稅的問題 |
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關稅談判未定讓人民也害怕因為我相信你非常的努力我們碰到了國際級剛剛是碰到了天災現在我們碰到了國際級的一個關稅議題本席跟你討論過了很多次你來自於產業界應該更加的了解 |
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產業界的一個恐慌所以本席要告訴你現在我們全國的產業跟民生他非常非常關心的就是暫緩期這個暫緩期快要到了8月1號以前我們談判小組 談判班都非常努力在做我說了國家有事我們全國應該要全體 |
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團結一次這是我一再堅持的也一再的論述所以本席要請教8月1號之前我們會有結果嗎我們現在仍然在談判中所以報告委員我們希望在8月1號以前能夠把這個結果談出來不過美國因為他們一次要跟180個國家來談他們有一些這個他們自己也認為 |
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這個8月1號如果沒有辦法談完的他會持續再往後移但是我們現在在爭取在8月1號之前就可以把一個好的結果談出來所以我們這整個的談判的團隊就像這個委員您所講的我們都 |
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給他們高度的祝福他們非常的努力也掌握非常多的情勢我們希望能夠談出一個好的結果但是我如果解讀請部長聽聽看也就是說因為他的暫緩期到7月底那大家產業界會緊張所以照如果剛才的說法就是說8月1號以前我們希望可以有結果但是不一定我可以這麼解讀嗎 |
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我們現在這個以目前來講就是說我們就是盡全力在8月1號之前把它談妥希望把它談妥但是還是未定未定是因為是由美國決定的對對對所以我們還是希望加油因為之所以本席一定要請教部長這個議題產業界都很緊張因為產業界也會連貫到我們整個民生所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教部長 |
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因為相關的關稅風暴對於我們出口導向的我們會帶來很大的重擊我想你也非常的憂心也非常努力但是產業界一邊現在他是先喊停來鼓聲但是他們也希望能夠有一個方向但最重要的我們還有一個匯率問題 |
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所以雙會讓我們很緊張很緊張但是政府呢到目前為止我只看到我們提出了930億來協助來補助但到這一段時間我們很久沒有聽到部長您告訴我們產業界到底我們現在的走向是如何 |
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郭文貴議員 |
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是謝謝委員的這個垂訊那在這個匯率的部分我們非常清楚所以我們在上個禮拜我們這個經濟部有開一個這個記者會那麼也跟大家說明我們中小企業署 |
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我們會幫助這些企業提出因應會計的做法因應的方案可以說的讓我們的產業界可以了解因為本席舉例日本的做法隨時隨時告訴他的產業告訴他的人民我們希望預計可以怎麼做讓人民安心讓產業安心 |
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這個怎麼樣子去做這個遠區外匯怎麼樣子做這個選擇權但是因為他們是規模比較小所以他們也不太會去做這個財務所以要政府協助嘛所以報告委員我們現在都跟銀行還在談希望他們能夠提出來一個package就是一個這個怎麼講套餐式的商品然後讓 |
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企業他今天可以安心的去報價然後他買到穩定的這個匯率所以我們都在幫助他們讓他們不會有太大的這個不要認為是被突襲有的方向就跟社會大眾說明 |
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八大工股 航庫啊都會來協助中小企業來避險好 加油那部長 本席要在這邊請教接下來談判當中您之前告訴我們說會分年兩千億的美金的擴大對美採購是不是也納入這一次我們的談判的內容之一跟另外一個阿斯嘉我們買能源幾乎是佔他們的三成這兩項是不是列入在 |
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我們這一次談判的範圍之內呢我們現在是不是來這個這個遊園因為這個阿拉斯加的這個天然氣是一個非常好的一個產品但是我們也是綜合考量綜合考量那美國他們會根據我們的對美國的投資然後對美國讓美國再度偉大我想他們美國我們在這個 |
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這一段過程裡面那看美國跟其他的國家談判跟我們的談判美國似乎對如何讓美國再度偉大這個命題呢他們是非常的這個關注然後你美國再度偉大你要投資的很多要投資的很多我們必須要衡量自己的這個有沒有這些有沒有這種投資的必要 |
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第一個要考慮有沒有必要性嘛第二個我投資這個是不是長遠的這個做法或者是短期的交易這一個部分我相信我們的談判小組都非常的清楚好 所以換句話說這兩項也納入在我們談判小組的考量之因子之一 |
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是嗎我們有建議啦那是不是他們考量這一碗因為最後本席要告訴您也就是大家務必要團結對外這個談判非常的重要因為我們還有一個貿易擴張法美國透過貿易擴張法的232條其中我們八成 |
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出口的都會在這裡面 他們可以挑特定的產品 他們也可以例外的來作為他們的關稅的一個爬線筒所以在這種情況之下 本席要請教IC產品的部分非常的重要請教我們都聽到部長您告訴我們目前的談判是順利的 是有建設性的一個進展 |
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也就是說在232的這個條款裡頭我們是不是也都非常嚴肅的在看待這些項目也就包括了我們的愛奇產品包括了半導體顯示器是不是還是一樣可以達到我們說的關稅豁免權 |
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請做說明報告委員我們現在因為台灣我們在這個232這個包含了半導體供應鏈這些產品其實對美國來講是非常非常重要那美方也了解大概美方他們統計大概70%他都不支持他們這個他們自己啦這就是對美國來說 |
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但是還有30%啊 所以我們還是要保護我們自己啊朝這個方向啊我們在跟美國那邊說明我們對他們的幫助有多大我們跟美國聯合起來台美合作我相信對我們整個在這個市場上面不管在行銷或者在製造上面都非常具有優勢這一點我們在努力中 |
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謝謝部長的努力我想最後一個結論也就是我希望大家面臨到這麼重大的國際級我們務必一定要讓我們的產業跟我們的民眾他有準備的機會他能夠了解方向在適度剛剛我說的你們可以說的範圍當然我也了解在談判的過程當中有很多不能說但是如果你們研判可以說因為 |
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我們的暫緩期要到了讓我們的產業跟民生他們可以適度可以知道了解下一步他到底要怎麼避險下一步他到底要怎麼做才不會讓人民認為他永遠是在被突襲的我想這是我們政府必須要做的事項是 謝謝委員知道好 謝謝中午不休息那現在請陳超明委員做詢答 |
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首先有請郭部長,你要喝一杯水嗎?好,部長,這次單於是颱風來時,剛好剛好漢光的日子剛好剛好我們全台灣大罷免我們如何如何去進行地安 |
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但是,我這次看到,電話都幾百人倒下,說三成過去我替台電擔心,但是我發覺到 |
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台電我們的總經理全員都一致我平安心想那個效率那個服務是做得非常好所以我今天覺得你這個部長官位能保的話要感謝董事長總經理全體台電人員的一個努力你承認這一點嗎 |
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謝謝委員的提示我第三天我就去拜會這個工會我跟工會的理事長也拜託我也跟他謝謝 |
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我們在每一次的颱風來臨以後我們工會的同仁都非常的努力所以我代表我都代表去跟他們致謝當然這個董事長 曾董事長你看他們面黃肌瘦 人有彩色都笑不出來我當時的現場我當時的現場四天而已 |
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我現在要跟你討論一個問題,這三項規矩,我們的任性,我們地方國安的任性,這樣放太太少三項規矩,你沒想到有什麼新的技術,新的方法,你有沒有這個情形?因為這個裁判情形, |
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狀況會跟暫時的狀況一樣我們來想辦法要按照最快的恢復的一個速度這是一個考驗跟我們說 你在檢討說阿拜如何精進這點我希望你們來做一些報告去加強 |
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是 報告 報告委員齁 我們有一個共識啦這邊說了 我也認為說我們台電一定要對所有的國營講第二天開始就要有電腦營營喔好 這樣有這個的覺醒就好但是我看你的報告 你們跟我說要地下化喔 要說的地下化頭就停我們要給你找一些地下化來簽署 |
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拜託你啦,所有的報告無論如何之下,你要把說我如果電線桿一次三千支倒掉的話,我不敢講一天啦三天之內如何解決,這個方式技巧最重要啦你跟我說一天,你不信心喔?不是餒,我幫你報告,你聽我說啦 |
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我不是說我們台電的電一天讓你用我是用發電機還是用我的儲能櫃我先送去你那個沒電的地方邊緣的我們那個電是要有主線主線道然後在旁邊有次線道再來有這個到最後的這個一段 |
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所以要三大我沒有辦法 我只有那些人所以我都優先那比較難到現在你這樣在說這是一個方法但是不是一個一定很好你把一百多個電話條也你對保護一個保護商的公司加一百多個整個這個 |
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團隊企業會不會欠工藥?不可能 我要跟委員報告我們做了很多增加的電條是都在產活路根本就工程車要去那裡做很困難所以要救電的時候 那個環境不是讓你一邊就救起來的我們要了解喔 我們不是這個都市或是大條路旁邊 我要調車去 |
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整棟會掉下去你說不大條路 瀉條路也有瀉機 其實去研究一下那產花樓你現在說我給你出兩倍 我跟你說不一定會成啦因為你還是要送到你們的配電中心裡面將來我們會區域的區域智慧網路 |
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區域智慧網路會來處理看你的表現我現在看我現在想到一個問題我們現在兩岸城市很緊張我看說 |
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大陸那邊有一個叫做石墨彈它一發射的話就馬上把你停電了把你電完了你有沒有什麼應變的措施?這就是一個台灣啊我就是說你如果說我們比較正確你如果讓我們做光電我光電然後做儲能會我現在你講廢話你給我講光電對啦你講那個整個電廠要用光電來報報不夠啦明明平均啦啦我們 |
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報告委員我在這個地方要澄清一件事情我在討論這個光電的事情我希望是可以用科技的用數字的用科學的方法來討論不要說用 |
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這個這個這個 我跟你講 關電台在講多少你教學營 當然你考慮對 可以補充一部分 並不是完全補充我現在就是說讓他們 有齁 你的大電力 你跟關電台在研發有照明 有照明 那可以聰熟反正你們都很行啊 剛剛講陳委員跟你批評一下你們不夠努力 兩個就吵起來 我們要純坤的檢討 |
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我沒有跟他吵起來,我只是在說明讓他能夠充分了解只是勾起他的這個...我們現在有一個經濟的大颱風要來了就是那個地方的關稅問題所以我們談的大概是20到25你們怕影響到大包圍案,你們都不講我感覺這有可能 |
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大概我們現在談判不是很順利不過以執政黨民進黨個性有稍微進步了已經新聞都打出來功勞很大我不知道這到底你們談判的情形但是我看起來你也沒有笑容我看起來 |
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官司的談判大概不怎麼順利按照我們台灣很重要我們是在美國啊我們可以說吃草擺在十幾名裡面應該要先講為什麼一直放到後面都不講是因為大概韓國跟日本一樣的25%韓國一樣的25%所以你們都不敢吃什麼 |
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有沒有把這個消息掩蓋出來我們希望能夠談出一個有競爭力的一個關稅 |
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日本跟韓國的25%也不是最後的一個關稅如果說今天日本跟韓國是25%是最後一個關稅那對我們來講我想我們從32%如果能夠談到這個25% 20%我們也是一個很高興的事情但是我們在講日本跟韓國他們的關稅 |
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絕對不是25%我們要清楚這個川普的談判的模式模式我知道你現在一定這樣講當然在談判我們台灣到現在還沒有結果我看起來跟台灣跟日本韓國一樣我們都是順潮大概是20到25你們不敢講我還要再繼續的努力繼續的努力請問那個你是怎麼推論的你也稍微給我們加一下 |
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你是怎麼去推論二十塊二十五塊因為啊 日本 韓國 臺灣這都大的一個生鈔國他們都臺灣的 臺灣還沒有臺灣還是我們有送台積電給他們 他們不好意思他們沒有嘛 到處一千六百五十億台幣那裡韓國跟日本都沒有 我只有一條 |
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你就只要是美國 好 有氣氛我就可以很高的保護力有氣氛 有氣氛你現在要把我彈到10到15 這樣我順便搞最後是免關稅啦我比他們更厲害 比日本跟韓國更好的關稅好 好 你就要把我們那些談判小組拋出來跟我是沒有關聯的我只要有信心希望這個好會脫鉤出來我只要有信心跟台灣的經濟拉起來台灣的經濟拉起來就是我經濟不斷的進來 |
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但是關稅很重要還有匯率很重要剛剛楊秋風委員講的是實際現在中小企業天天提心吊膽的剛剛也說明了非常清楚我們對這一世受到關稅可能衝擊的六大產業我們都可以不要推我夫人要折騙就好好了啦我給你一個好了啦好 請回座我再問問農業的陳部長陳部長 |
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我再講幾件事,這次風災的時候我仔細看,你們的溫室、網室的帳篷 |
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我感覺農業部臨來要有決心,颱風天來的時候每次一直補償,一直補償,補償到阿伯想不想教,你現在所有要蓋溫室的不管怎麼樣,都要剛過世的溫室的那一種, |
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我跟委員報告就是溫室有非常多的類型你如果說做業菜類利用剛夠的 |
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溫室去種葉菜類那個成本就變得很高啦所以不同的樣他有不同的我講要成本會高嘛但是你一次又一次的補償後阿伯反省成本更高阿伯讓民眾、我們這裡的農民不會擔心我是在研究這個問題 |
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風災來 天災來 雨再落天的話 誰都沒有辦法影響它你只有溫室熱去改善 風災來就出去不會倒 這是你的責任這叫做任性對 我跟委員報告 就是說這邊的風災因為它是晚上登陸那個風速變大不然如果白天的時候 農民會把那個塑膠布割破 |
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那說到這個割破的話,它的那個風場的風力的效應就不會讓整個的溫室倒掉但是因為晚上的風它沒有辦法去處理好啦,偶爾曉得晚上風啊,人家就在說天有不錯風雨嘛那種最壞的打算,我都沒在,我們來的很好嘛 |
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你不能說他晚上突然增加濕度,沒辦法把棚子的布去拆掉我覺得要建立不要一直再用補償的方式來寬容互相我絕對同意用這種方式好謝謝現在請邱志偉委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席這個對主席的尊重是我一向的原則所以上台資訊之前一定要先跟主席敬禮做任何的工作做任何職位素養很重要素養素養就是你有沒有適當的能力能夠勝任這個工作素養有三個部分的過程ASKattitude |
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Secure Knowledge為什麼A要放前面就Attitude做什麼工作 你得做這個國會議員Attitude很重要要尊重質詢的這個官員要尊重主席所以我上台之前一定要跟主席好好的敬個禮另外 我要遵守主席設定的時間所以我今天質詢時間就是6加2 |
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是不是請經濟部郭部長我不是說我的素養很好那基本上我是按照ASK我素養應該不會差但是我覺得這個本院的委員有一些的素養有待加強 |
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第一個問題啊大家都說什麼這個關稅的已經收到美國通知啊這個很多的訊息不時的搖曳就是說我們這個已經說到了就是不公布 我要等大罷免這是不是假訊息 部長我認為是假訊息我不知道這個訊息從哪裡來的有很多在網路上說已經公布了這個國安會都知道 總統也都知道就是要等大罷免不公布然後甚至說直接表明是25%又有媒體人說是32% |
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那如果是這樣子的話為什麼鄧麗君副院長還要今天去美國進行第四輪的談判呢第四輪談判針對其產地的問題跟美國有不同的意見你到底要用這個印尼模式還是用越南模式是十九加N還是這個一口價這個之後還要繼續討論如果已經確定收到美國的關稅通知書為什麼鄧麗君副院長還要去美國 |
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所以這是謠言不公自破嘛很多人就相信這些網路的假訊息有些是刻意的有些是這個亂編的有些是要這個破壞政府的威信破壞民眾對這個政府的觀感政治目的那個部長您的看法呢是啊我認同委員的這個這樣的一個說法 |
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對啊 所以你做小訊息 你知道有這些小訊息你就要去做做澄清 去嚴正的做一些更正我們也不知道這些訊息是從哪裡來的這個為什麼他們會有這樣的一個是網路上傳得到的都是這個偵測器的傳媒體或地基訊的傳媒體都說 啊已經決定了我們收到了 就是為了這個辦公室不公布這個一定要嚴正的去駁斥所以這部分再請 |
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部長繼續努力啦,我想這個,我是樂觀期待好的啊,一定在最後才公布啦不要你先公布,你如果好的先公布在那邊啦大家有樣學要,哇,之前那15%現在我25%所以,喝酒對岸地,我覺得我是有期待的 |
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另外就是說當然跟台電 今天這部分在主題台電的曾董事長也在曾董事長也在就是說這個 |
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防災型的這個電纜滴消化很重要不用這次從這個台灣海峽沿著台灣海峽上來所以這些過去的台灣路徑是很不不尋常的對不對所以如果我們提早規劃把這個這個電感能夠及時滴消化像我在麒麟就做了不少 |
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所以這次確定沒有太大的風災整個海線到雲林 甚至到雲林以南這個時候海線的相關省道就應該儘速地籌措相關經費讓這個電纜地下化不然電池在倒 整個磚頭都停電了 這很嚴重的問題這要優先處理好嗎 |
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那個報告員謝謝您關心那個第一個事情我們會優先處理然後我也向您說明因為您那個選區其實我沒有新達電廠猜它是重要的電源線出口所以我們對那個重要電源線出口其實都會強化 |
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所以但是你如果在台南、嘉義甚至雲林這些受風區啊你很難保證說這個台灣路徑怎麼走所以我覺得這些啊容易受到風災影響你點溫條一倒整個停電可能不是這兩三天可能這一周以上所以這部分是不是加強熱網熱線把這個列為優先區啊是彰化也要列入了 |
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是沿海的部分我們會一定會特別那個彰化過去發生的是沿海啦就是有風沒有雨的狀況我們也後來有加強來改善對這不只是只有高雄台南還有這個西部沿海我覺得只有要加強這個電纜電感的這個韌性儘快的速度啊求說預算讓他這個地下化好謝謝董事長謝謝董事長跟部長我請這個農業部啊農業部陳部長 |
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部長上週我們到永安流浪口管理的問題部裡面也了解相關的管理問題必須要再強化這是要有入法的可能性入法的話需要有一些共識需要跟這些相關同事做一些更多的討論跟溝通所以我覺得幾個方向 |
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包括加強事主的責任提升收容管理的能力強化動物保護另外賦予動保檢察員寵物業管理然後其他的修法重點這些我們都討論過所以我覺得是不是這些修法方向部裡面都已經了解了是不是針對這些禁止餵養的部分甚至相關的寵物管理這個部分 |
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是不是有可能在下一次趕快在下個會期把這個院版的這個動保法修正案能夠送來立法院好我跟委員說明現在動保法現在已經在行政院做一些審議那我們也跟上次跟委員報告大概下個會期會送進來那現在有兩個比較大的比較有爭議的議題就是就是所謂的禁止餵養還有動保警察 |
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那禁止餵養當初我們也希望說透過禁止餵養能夠減少就是遊盪犬的聚集但是有不同的團體有不同的立場所以這個部分可能還需溝通那另外動保警察也有他不同的所以我們現在就是比例上呢反對禁止餵養的這個比例高嗎這個就是雙方不同的團體大概差不多啦我覺得這個只要是做高風險就需要樂區的部分啦 |
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大家都希望說能夠禁止餵養就像委員說的齁我會去處理就是高風險的熱區一定要強制禁止餵養特別像永安我覺得讓人民在外出的時候他的居住生活的安全我覺得是最重要的你不能說因為禁止餵養流蕩捲一堆的時候讓我們的民眾外出都要拿個打狗棒我覺得政府該檢討 |
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所以這個部分我們該處理市民的生活安全 散步運動都會受到國的攻擊 那個是非常危險所以我現在就是說 我們收集全台灣因為被遊蕩犬攻擊而受傷的這些案例那我們希望說透過這個案例再舉辦一些公聽會讓團體把這些共識趕快領取 下個會期是不是能夠收拾對 我們朝這個目標來處理下個會期就是希望說今年年底能夠修法通過 |
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把禁止餵養能夠入法是然後你說的管理這個動物警察的部分也能夠入法這個比較有問題你們再想辦法我們再來協調一定要建立社會的共識是好 謝謝那最後一點時間請交內政部董事長董事長 |
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委員好市長這個防災室是防災室我們應該這個做經過相關的這個推動到現在大概有4萬人希望年底要有10萬人那這是一個這個救災的能量防災的能量我是能夠有效的能夠運用所以我是期待說未來內政部能夠把這些防災室的人力做妥善的規劃有一些相關的工作的明確法源然後演練的機制這部分 |
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市長您的看法是好那跟各位跟主席跟各位委員報告謝謝委員的垂詢事實上內政部防災室我們今年的目標是希望能夠達到10萬人有能夠防災室的執照所以我們從去年開始就積極在做訓練那今年也擴大到一個訓練目標那目前已經有5萬多人 |
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那我們防災室的訓練最主要就是要強化民眾對於災防的一些知識跟技能那麼也透過這樣的方式讓大家可以自救跟互救是不是可以請市長把詳細的這個你們規劃的期程跟規劃的工作內容 相關的法律是不是可以提供一些資料給我是 我們會把相關的資料我們就書面提供給委員做參考那我們已經增加了許多的好 因為時間一到好 謝謝我要這個顯示一下這個國務院基本的素養時間到一定要 |
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謝謝我們現在請林俊憲委員做詢問感謝主席本時邀請我們經濟部的郭部長台電的曾董事長曾董事長 |
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議員好部長 你也有召集在庫那邊我想你應該感受到這次災情那麼慘其中這個斷電是一個非常重要的因素因為你如果停電在這邊的在庫很多地方是要停水 |
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因為他們的水啊 水壓如果不夠都要靠那個抽水摩托所以你停電停水然後我們的電話條款都倒了所以啊 網路訊號 手機訊號現在都走我們的電話所所以這回倒了這次就是停電停水又停掉了電信訊號所以造成了可能是有史以來最慘重的災情之一啦現在大家都在說那如何強化 |
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我們的電網的韌性 我想這倒不是供電的問題 是電網的問題如果強化我們電網的韌性 譬如說電能地下化電能地下化確實是一個方法 但是我想不是所有的答案 |
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我跟董事長討論一下我以前在我選區我們台電也在外雙屋就是平安公路台17層這就是台南市的南區 溪丘到返里當中這以前風太大就跳電了因為它的電話條都站在台時機的旁邊颱風一來風很大 電線都會戳斷電話條沒到我們就戳斷電線 |
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所以後來這個地方就跟北亞發就解決這個問題啦那這是2016年我跟我們台電爭取的那時候才六千多萬不過現在恐怕以目前的供料這個會很貴了啦啊這道理在這裡我想董事長跟我們台電的總經理你們大概幾乎幾乎都進駐在災區嘛你應該感同身受啦那醫藥要怎麼來強化我們的我們的電網啊我想 |
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電纜如果地下化 沿水的地區就不行了是不是這樣 我不定有時間給你答詢但我要跟你 我的意見請你帶回去了那邊那個地方 目前可以優先電纜地下化 台北現在有沒有計畫 |
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跟委員報告幾個事情第一個事情就是我們主幹線一定要先強化因為大家都用單一的解方就是說認為地下化就可以解決問題但地下化如果我們這些設備被水泡了那個解決問題要更久 |
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因為淹水地方 電能地下化更麻煩2018年那個西部海岸淹水那個光是抽水就抽了7、8天那個7、8天以後才來復電那個事情會更麻煩所以我跟委員報告幾個事你剛才講可以地下化的地方可能都是要陸基比較穩定 好的道路我們來優先辦理那我們就很確定的來討論我剛剛台10級台19 |
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省道啦 省得一波排水 你就做得比較好啦這部份是不是可以由省來做啦 我覺得台電你應該先先規範出可以遞交的 遞交的所在地的行則啦 |
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我覺得這個是可能可以合作的事不淹水的地方然後又有高壓主線那個主幹管通過的地方要行走啦要行走地下化啦那這當中當然牽扯到跨部會尤其你省道喔因為你如果對人家地下化第一個你要交通維護啦 |
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要有交尾的問題嘛對你啊 路面你要再 喔 要再停泊嘛有路權 有施工的問題嘛所以都是你們兩個部位應該要好好的互相協助的啦那另外啦 我再請教一下台電啦如果不能地下化的地方啦那應該要強化啦 提高啦 抗風 |
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的這個急速啦對 謝謝委員 我覺得這件事情是我們因為地下化要花時間我們在這個 因為颱風現在7月就來 你要做一些事情我先跟委員報告就是說我們現在會在重要的 |
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那個主要的那個電感上面因為比方說上面要裝開關就是切換的開關或者是有變壓器的我們會先把它快速的先換成抗風強度比較高的那在一排裡面如果有幾支這種抗風強度更高的鐵塔電感 |
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他就不會他就可以讓整排導斷的範圍縮小可能一排原來可能20隻我們中間如果差了4、5隻他就比較不會導斷這麼多這個是我們台電可以自己做也可以馬上做的我們現在緊急在做我們已經準備要緊急採購更強化的電感來做這個 |
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類似就是中央隔斷災害擴大的一些工作好 再來喔 因為這次電話條都要2400萬元喔那有些倒掉的喔 我也請台電經理去稍早啦你像現在還有一些喔 還沒有移走的喔我知道你現在也缺機具啦 缺人力啦那你要自己去想辦法克服啦要趕快把這個倒下來的電話條趕快去稍早這都看得乾淨啦 是 那個 |
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大部分都移了 現在在部落裡面還沒移完 村落裡面都還沒移你當然先刷大樓啦 但是裡面還有很多 我拜託請台電趕快把這些倒塌的電線趕快移走好 謝謝好 謝謝曾董事長另外我來 部長您先休息我來請農業部陳部長 |
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來 補充這次台南市的風災農業損失是差不多全國最多 差不多全部的45%那其中我現在發現 你的農漁業的補助標準沒有一樣你現在一不兩制 你現在農業補你都免限刊啦 現在也可以開始去公所受理申報 訂訂你現在漁業損失不是這樣 台南也很危險 |
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那我現在接到的反應啦 你漁業署免限的條件你覺得沒辦法 怎麼可能 幾個人做得到你現在免限的條件 要有水產履歷 產銷履歷 還是有天然災害補助金錢救助你今年還沒有啊 有多少人死了對不對 今年有死了也很少啦第三 要有漁業的保險 |
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這三個啦 產銷履歷也好啦 漁業保險 本來就是你漁業署要推廣漁業署推廣的績效你自己知道啦你看很多人有保養很少有 我數數給你看啦是酒瓣的零啦 是三百一的五啦 頭髮變數五啦吳國瑜的頭髮變數只有一啦我如果請教啦 你現在免限刊提這三個條件 |
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當然不可能嘛我跟委員報告一下 這可能有一點誤解喔基本上我們免限幹的時候就是你只要能夠證明你有養殖的事實有沒有這個才算的 但是這三個就是說因為這三個在我們的資料庫有很容易就能夠查證啦但是你如果說只有這三個你所謂的 如果這三個條件你達不到 |
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沒有 不是因為這三個裡面 我們的資料庫都有所以很容易查到沒有的時候你只要去證明有沒有你有財神跟養殖的事實這個你拿包括你如果有去放羊這個資料拿過來我們會去查證我們先來講一個確定現在有的公所他不受理第一個 |
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我們如果不打架 你剛才說的那三個條件 我如果用照片你現在去寫我們那些假的 會發臭嘛 對不對所以應該是 如果我有拍照純正 我有養殖的事實 你就要認定了嘛你這樣農業跟漁業才會一致 |
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我也非常同意委員所說的就是說漁業本身我如果是免限刊的話你只要去證明你有養殖的事實那養殖的事實你可以用APP的照相那公所如果願意認定就認定了或者是你剛才拿你因為我剛剛講的那三件我們的資料口都有你只要說你是成交履歷的我馬上調得到資料那你沒有的話你用照片也可以或者是你其他方式證明你有養殖那就可以了那這個部分我想我會再跟公所來溝通 |
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好 那就按照部長你所說的另外有一個部分我認為要留意的 就是室內養殖的部分現在你做養殖的部分也有收來那室內養殖並沒有在我們這次的補償範圍內我是不是請營業署 你看這裡都風災造成的嘛那營業署 你第一邊說的這個部分是不是應該要納進來 |
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我覺得這個應該要放進去 包括一些算是屬於設施啦 養殖的設施那養殖的設施如果農民的話 我們一次性的都提高到八成這個部分我想我們會來處理好 你應該要把室內養殖爺納入 好不好是好 要保證喔再給我們一分鐘 好 那個內政部 內政部 來董事長 |
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委員好市長我們現在行政院在災後重建是我們對民宅我們已經開始有你補貼對今天我們叫你出店鋪的大廈房就一萬五萬十萬就是六萬到三萬三萬以上但是現在在庫我不知道你有沒有去過現場你有去過現場嗎在區現場我們署長有去過那裡補貼也去過了 |
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我告訴你 你要把這個意見帶回去啦現在民眾非常不滿喔 就是因為在我們在庫每天都要去三合院啦三合院都一個門牌 每天都住幾個月啦整個一定這樣啦 |
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阿你現在 你所謂破譯 依照你生涯的保証 你是都依一個門牌為單位嘛你應該以分數為單位啦你不能以門牌為單位啦我們會那個跟那個相關 |
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我們是移戶來處理你看移戶是我的單位喔你有當時一個我曾經去縣勘看有一個三合院大六戶的他們有水電灘也能證明嘛有沒有居住四十李幹事或是龔壽也都知道嘛這樣有沒有 |
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跟委員報告我們基本上就是三合院就是他是多戶一門牌嘛所以我們是一門牌一戶但是我們還是會以居住適時然後以破損的面積來做計算那做計算的方式我們就是按照破損的面積的狀況六坪到三十坪是五萬 |
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表柱都一樣啦 但是你要他負責就算啦是 我們會去處理你不可以他問白的委員會啦 因為他當時問白的會打滾就好了啊這個不然你要趕快通知 因為現在是公所不受理多戶啊 |
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現在請郭國文委員做詢答 |
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谢主席先请那个农业部陈部长陈部长 |
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部長台南這一次的天災農損第一名高達45%但是我就過往的每年的平均的農損每年大概要121億但是我們現金的補助大概約約只有31億我剛剛聽您講或許今年應該會超過平均值 |
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去年其實就已經超過75億了對 所以說呢 基本上呢 這一個目前的這個預算的殖民都有在處理那現實上來說我們看到這個保護農民的部分大概基本上損失大概是只有25%整體來說是這樣子 |
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所以我們現在看到的是說以目前為止天然災害還有包括農業保險應該是透過雙軌的方式不同層別那另外一個是屬於個人經濟的韌性有三層的作用來面對這個天災 |
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那現在有一個出現的問題天然災害的這個部分我們做強化但個人的部分我們也需要強化但是保險的部分我們目前看到是最弱化的部分舉文旦的例子為例你最高理賠金額只有40%而最大的級數多少14級而已可是這次主委這是高達16級你極端企業沒有納入理當你這個保險保單的設計當中應該予以提高 |
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起伏应该提高你起伏不够高相对覆盖率就不会高部长这里有检讨的空间啊 |
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我跟委員報告這次大概理賠是用14級封40%如果它17級封的話就是100%那我也請我們的農進署這邊那個保單一定要滾動檢討如果沒有達到農民需要理賠而沒有理賠到我覺得它就不是一個好的保單我現階段就是許許多多農民跟我講說我都問他說田園災還沒搞 |
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農業保險可以撥來倒但是沒辦法撥來倒為什麼因為誘因不足嘛所以趁這個機會來說就任性的部分的話我要請部長這個整個農業保險的部分要回去徹底的減少 |
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這個我已經跟你講過好幾次了還有包括個人經濟任性的部分還有包括所謂的這個農民退休儲金我上次也講啊我也不曉得你報的怎麼樣啊都沒有進度啊我跟委員報告農民退休儲金這個部分大概我們跟已經跟行政院已經包括 溝通好了嗎已經相關的溝通已經大概完成了什麼時候要宣布 |
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那這個部分可能會在因為它是需要修法的嘛需要修法我們一定是在下個會議一定會送進來好 然後接下來我就在講啊在這剛剛在談就是說有關於你的農 漁 牧你這個補助的標準應該要雷同啊認定的基準也應該雷同啊譬如講我給你舉一個例子我們最近在奔波在低層的時候就看到一個問題你的婚姻額外的步驟跟額外的步驟 |
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基本上金額就差非常多 一個公園11萬 一個天2萬5但是額外補助額外成本是分額要5倍 額外的補助是1億5分之1我舉個例子 昨天就有一個里長跟我complain 他3.75公頃補助起來換起來不到5千塊 |
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為什麼 因為你把間接的成本在你的航照圖生產的面積以外它的底牌啊 主要在那邊長小 你都不算面積這樣認定過於重演啦所以以致於民怨不斷啦 |
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部長 這個有檢討的空間啊第一個你要知道這個每一個養殖項目的成本的部分你要先徹底的了解第二個部分你要去清楚的知道這個實質的這個整個養殖的方式是如何 |
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部長你可以檢討一下啦這第一我第二個來說包括你傳統的畜牧業部分堆肥社的部分你補足一片差不多兩百五十五是最新鮮的鋼琴成本差不多一千這差不多現階段差不多八千一萬 |
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您講的都差不多10分之一而已啦現實上差太多啦如果相對於農漁木我剛剛講這比較上這有需要調整的空間啦 部長這麻煩回去稍微處理一下好不好好 第一個我跟委員報告就是救助金本身的一個金額的調整會隨著物價而調整我們大概上次已經說的我們大概每半年的話到一年都會調整一次 |
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那問題是就算是少啦然後第二個就是說因為這次部分特別像續社的部分因為你要去調整救助金我們用補助的方式專門補助的方式來協助他能夠度過這次人狼關我跟你講我跟你講我就這兩個項目你就回去幫我檢討一下我請董事上來一下你會後給我回覆啦這兩個強烈的在表達不滿董事 |
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來 謝謝部長請回來 |
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總之16年前的八八風災的這個土石流需要一套SOP的方式也就是議城古島區今年度消防署公布的這個資料剛好是在丹麥斯颱風來了一周框了13個縣市這個古島區台南市是零台南市是零喔結果整個台南市這次形成了多少古島沿海一帶都是古島好幾個部落都是古島我調了一下113年的數字台南還有一處是在南化那為什麼我們的議城古島區台南都變成零 |
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因為你從土石流的概念來思考這個孤島而已嘛那天災難道只有土石流而已嗎所以跟委員報告我們消防署雖然說目前已經有那個之前的決議是說這些地方被刪除但是我們會重新再去討論那一塊而且部長也指示過我們針對整個孤島地區會重新做一個新的討論這些孤島地區在這是以我選區七股的西寮鼎山沿城 |
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完全都是每一個都不同的孤島就是脆弱的沿海地帶當中應該納入救災的準備機制啊對 未來會檢討未來會檢討這裡頭就非常的清楚包括北門都是這樣子嘛至少 之所以會形成這個孤島除了風力之外還有一個你知道嗎它在第一個時間點颱風登陸的時候整個七股的沿海的這個浮標測到最高的這個浪高是5.7啊你們說海水道觀居民說那是海嘯 |
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所以進來之後為什麼會變成這樣子細節我不跟你講七谷的沙洲的整個修築的這個海堤啊能量都非常有限那之前這兩個缺口不用是 |
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兩個沙洲不管是忙得了還是輕鬆感都處於侵蝕的階段甚至變破體以至於海水會倒灌倒灌進來之後我曾經去會堪過我曾經也開過協調會會堪協調會之後呢每個部會中央所屬不同的部會包括你內政部也好包括經濟部也好互相 |
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說不是他的責任另外地方也有地方的管轄範圍所以分屬各地我以為啊用一個方式可以解決就是台南市把它列入一級的海岸的防護啊以前一級海岸防護都是本島離島不算那發現你們在109年6月就已經把台南一級防護納進去了69公里海岸線了是 |
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那結果呢 時間過了幾年 過了五年了有沒有做 沒有做我簡單的講 重點的說兩個方式 一個呢 離岸這個堤防要不要蓋你要跟這個經濟部水利署對 國家公運署跟水利署已經合作 我們會來處理什麼時候 什麼時候我上次協調會兩邊還推來推去啦我們儘快來處理 什麼時候 |
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下禮拜給本席一個答覆好可以吧下禮拜給本席一個答覆另外一個中期的部分可以做的就是海雜門是海雜門有550億的這個水利工程或經濟部的水利署在不在來署長來署長這個海雜門有沒有效龍山的海雜門蓋了就好了這邊沿海地帶有幾個海雜門 |
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報告委員 這個是大寮排水大寮排水有沒有海雜滿它規劃設計有 也核定了那目前是還沒有那因為當初市政府這個完成治理規劃以後 |
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地方的居民對於海雜門的使用的部分還有些疑慮但是規劃完這是地方居民跟我要求的現在有疑慮嗎所以我們現在如果說市政府認為可以來做我們會來考慮納到我們下一階段 |
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是 準備好我們會全力來幫忙 當場來宣布到底需要蓋幾個海雜門的應急工程開始來施作是 結果我們要依照市政府所核定的內容我們會來積極協助還有包括那個離岸堤防也一遍 回答本席沒有問題 是美根委員報告針對離岸堤防大概有需要那個沙長帶破損目前我們會全力幫忙在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
現在請黃國昌委員做詢答 |
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謝謝主席 有請經濟部部長 農業部部長郭部長 陳部長 |
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兩位部長好 時間的關係直接進入上個禮拜衛環委員會我們非常關心在風災之後光電板對環境所造成的污染特別在新聞那邊的志宏池我直接問當時的次長說清理完了沒有所以他跟我說99%清理完了 |
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那官員在國會裡面詢問我基本上都是採取信任的態度但是我從嘉義那邊所得到的陳情完全不是這麼回事我第二天找人去看這個是第二天回來的照片這是哪門子的99%清理完成請部長 |
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報告委員我想這個這一部分我們大概你所這個隨行的部分應該是我們在聽起來是暗編不對那天講得很清楚我關心的就是志宏慈他事後要怎麼發新聞稿文過是非那個是他個人的問題尋答的內容清清楚楚在立法院裡面全部全程轉播所有的人都可以公平 |
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部長你不是本人啊你不是本人所以我鍋不會要你背但我要拜託部長回去請經濟部的官員事情是怎麼樣就怎麼樣 |
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該怎麼回答就怎麼回答不清楚就說不清楚但是不要欺騙但是不要欺騙你只要欺騙都會被打臉我那天臉書po完了以後媒體跟進報導拍出來的照片大概是這個樣子這個叫99%清理完成啊報告委員我可以說嗎可以請這個案場我也去看了 |
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這個案場不是你拍就你拍的這個部分是沒有錯這個有多大你知道嗎我知道所以我後來秀106個足球場那麼大是所以我後來秀媒體的空拍圖給你看嘛第二個是第二個這個地方要清楚啊我們前面12天因為台電在復電的需求是所以都是台電在做 |
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他根本沒有辦法清出來但是我們把外圍的外圍都已經清好了就是裡面的這個池子裡面的我們還沒有清你說的你說的都沒有問題啊現在我在質疑的事情是那一天經濟部的次長大衛華委員會如同您今天所講的這個樣子事情是怎麼樣老老實實的跟大家講清楚就好了嗎我有說錯嗎 |
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他那天不是這樣回答的耶斬釘截鐵的說99%清理完成了我從當地那邊所得到的檢舉就不是這樣啊我為了怕經濟部說我只拍小部分我還特別7月18號媒體去現場看的空拍圖我秀出來對比給大家看我只有一個point |
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請你需要時間但現實的狀況是怎麼樣就是怎麼樣不要文過是非不要說謊這樣的要求很過分嗎 |
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我想委員你說的我們絕對不會聞過是非啦我想我們的市長也不是第一天來當市長是他應該要怎麼回答他非常的清楚是我想這裡面大概大家彼此有一點誤會是我們認為可能是外部沒有關係今天部長要用誤會來解釋沒有關係您就這樣解釋我只希望這種誤會未來不要再發生再往下看 |
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今年我們在省中央政府總預算的時候我們為了要尊潔支出特別不要讓政府拿納稅人的錢去搞大那一圈我們針對沒宣費 統三了百分之六十 |
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14395.568 |
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那統三的60%以後各部會接下來執行的狀況如何我當然會去追嘛那依照預算法相關的規定各個部會每一季沒宣費的費用都要公告那我公告我稍微看了一下就是說我們以去年的Q1跟今年的Q1來比行政機關指的是經濟部本部跟其他相關的機關Q1的沒宣費大概花了600多萬 |
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14412.024 |
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然後去年的Q1花了400多萬那我看了這個數字以後我覺得有點奇怪那怎麼刪了60%你們Q1花的錢比去年的Q1還多是你們集中把沒宣費都擠到第一季還是有經費流用的狀況 |
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這個部分我要了解一下要了解一下嗎好沒有關係那我請部長回去了解一下以後把數字給我可以嗎可以一個禮拜夠不夠可以可以嗎好下來那從經濟部的做法就會知道主管機關應該按月公開媒體宣傳業務的主題跟金額這個是當初 |
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在修訂預算法62條之一的時候那大家希望能夠貫徹的價值啊因為在當代的民主法治國家當中邊預算邊預算來進行媒體宣傳怎麼樣避免進行所謂置入性的行銷甚至養媒體這種亂象過去這麼多年納稅人非常關心批評也很強烈那最起碼經濟部做到一件事情我肯定你們都有依法公佈金額 |
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14492.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
那金額數字剛剛我所提出來的問題再請部長回去了解接下來請農業部部長農業部有遵守預算法律12條之一的規定嗎您說的是媒體的部分是不是是我相信我們的同仁應該會遵守那如果沒有遵守呢我這個我必須去了解了解他們所謂的您所謂的沒有遵守的部分是哪一個項目就最簡單的嘛 |
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你們有按濟公告嗎有有有按濟公告有來我今天早上來質詢前我還在去看農業部本部沒有公布114年媒體宣傳費啊你為什麼說有是剛剛突然補上去嗎這個是這個是今天早上的解讀我想這個部分我想 |
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14537.463 |
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應該要按計公告 當然要嘛所以如果沒有的話 我現在就問你為什麼沒有嘛 我不知道你不知道 我要去了解好沒有關係 需要多少時間了解這個下午我馬上就可以了解了下午馬上了解 好 下午下班以前為什麼沒有公告為什麼沒有公告下午下班以前書面回覆 |
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有沒有問題可以不要到時候承辦人又打電話到我辦公室說我們都已經公文簽出去了長官不在沒有辦法回覆簽出來拜託再等一等又不曉得要拖到什麼時候我想我回應一定是說下班以前回覆沒有問題嘛 |
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可以可以嗎 因為按照規定啊即使你半毛都沒有花都應該要公告說我半毛都沒有花我也要確認是不是真的半毛都沒有花所以才沒有公告我還下去找我透過我們的標案系統看不是啊 |
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你們農業部 華市 民視 三立通通都有今年執行的案子啊為什麼沒有依法公告他納稅的人知道嗎這種依法應該要做的事情就要做啦這個我相信部長應該不會否認啦回去搞清楚為什麼該做沒有做我下一個問題 |
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當初我們的前同事蘇志芬委員給他接中央續產會的董事長一堆酬庸的批評都出來那當然你們說這個是借重償財推動改革給他一年年薪將近300萬中央續產會的董事長這樣的位置去做現在我只有個問題中央續產會董事長他的業務繁不繁重還是很閒 |
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我想中央區長會是負責整個的...是我知道他負責什麼現在我只關心他是整天沒事幹嗎還是業務很繁重一年領三百萬到底在幹些什麼事情我跟委員報告齁就是中央區長會特別我邀請他來以後希望說他第一個針對整個區長會的制度上面做一個精進跟改革第二個部分是 |
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針對現在目前比較重要的豬跟雞的整個的產銷我希望說他能夠建立一個有效的一個系統所以我相信他一定是積極在處理這方面的事情所以他工作反不反送我想我沒有辦法代替他沒有辦法代替他回答因為如果啦看你們編的預算嘛 |
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14683.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
一年大概他薪資的部分大概變了284萬嘛有的沒有加起來啦大概是這個薪水這個薪水不能說低但我現在的問題是什麼來看一下我去雲林的時候鄉親給我的投訴是中央區常會董事長很閒是不是一天到晚在雲林裡面搞大罷免 |
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你晚上 假日 你自己休息的時間你有你的政治主張自由 我沒意見啊中央區長會的辦公室是在雲林嗎還是董事長不用進辦公室沒關係一天不在雲林那 不大罷免還有上班的時間在這樣搞的部長適合嗎 還是這是農業部鼓勵了 |
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我想第一個部分以農業部來講我們農業部部本部本身包括我們的所屬工研系的行政中立那至於這個 中央市場會需不需要行政中立這個法人的部分就不需要沒有我還沒有講完法人的部分其實我們也希望說他在正式上班時間的時候是一個行政中立那私底下他的任何的行為 這我剛講過了嘛 |
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阿如果上班的時間跑去宣傳大罷免 農業部要不要處理不是 上班的時間這個牽涉到因為我們人都有可以有請假我現在不了解他實際的那個沒關係阿 你去了解清楚嘛我會有這些照片就雲林的鄉親我去雲林的時候跟我投訴阿所以我們中央訓察會很閒阿 |
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一天到晚在雲林搞大罷免你納稅人的錢在幹這種事情適合嗎?真的適合嗎?請部長回去了解一下可以嗎?我可以去了解可以齁需要多少時間? |
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一樣下班以前回覆可以嗎沒有辦法喔因為需要多久等726搞完以後再回覆嗎我必須了解沒關係你需要多久我現在沒辦法很確定的告訴你所以需要多久你也沒辦法跟我講序長會有序長會我們所有的需要資料都是序長會都要用公務的方式去處理它不是我們直屬的公務系統可以馬上一通電話就可以搞定 |
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所以相對的他本身你所提到他在上班時間做一些其他的非上班的業務那這個部分他們也要去了解所以這個了解我不知道要多久嘛我現在沒有辦法確定很有可能726以後才會有答案嘛對我來講我沒有726這種概念最好是沒有啦你納稅人的錢搞這種事啊我看不下去啊 |
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我看不下去啊你要不然你要不然你要不然就回家吃自己你拿納稅人的錢上班時間在搞這種事情這什麼政府啊 |
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這哪門是行政中立啊納稅人付錢給你薪水是在幹這種事喔我現在不了解但是相對他如果是請假的方式齁那相對的請假以外的事情是他個人的事情所以在我還沒有了解他實際的狀況之下我不做任何的一個評論沒關係啊 那我就等啊等農業部看什麼時候回覆了不管726之前還是726之後這件事情我一定會追究到底好 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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我们现在请郑天才委员做询答 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
14907.265 |
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| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
主席有請農業部部長還有經濟部部長陳部長郭部長好那個部長陳部長這個今天都在談這個114年度的 |
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這個特別公務預算撥補到這個農業特別基金這個預算書寫得很清楚是因為超市貸對不對原因呢是因為超市貸希望這個然後刪減的部分的經費 |
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預算法第22條規定立法院審議刪除或刪減這預算項目及金額不得動之一倍金但法定經費後經立法院同意者不再此限災害防救法規定得很明確可不可以說它是法定經費 |
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部長我跟委員報告天然災害救助基金並不是一個法定預算所有的基金都不是法定預算那你剛才講的另外一個那個是災防基金又不一樣部長為了農民我們要想盡辦法去解釋我當三十年公務員所以要想盡辦法去解釋為了農民為了農民我再講一次為了農民我告訴你一個案例 |
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今年114年度中央選舉委員會的預算選務經費也被刪減現在搞大罷免是用哪裡的經費行政院的第二億備金所以可以用行政院的第二億備金所以這個部分接下來 |
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我只是給你方法啦我們給你方法要想盡辦法為農民爭取協議何況現在都還沒有補足我們所有的委員都資深的委員都非常清楚所以過往都不會去刪減我們公務撥補基金的因為他知道一旦刪減以後我們再動用二倍金的時候是非常困難的但是法律規定的很清楚好我們看這個 |
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農業特別收入基金他也農業發展基金 漁業發展基金農產品受進口 農害救助基金林務的基金然後接下來就是我們今天談的農業天然災害的救助基金還有農村再生基金所以在這個公益上撥補到這個農業特別收入基金 |
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它是好幾個項目所以這個提案寫得很清楚是為了超思蛋 |
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超適當的不是在做農業天然災害的救助沒有沒有沒有 我以為你誤會了齁我沒有誤會沒有沒有 我沒有責怪你喔沒有 他刪減的理由是一件事情但是他一旦刪減了以後就會回到遇重22條去處理我沒有要責怪你我們現在檢討增企的方向預算被刪了雖然預算刪了之後還是比7年多那沒有關係 |
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萬一不足的時候,我們現在爭取解決的途徑我們現在在討論,我沒有怪你喔我從來到現在為止都沒有跟你計畫喔所以你不要跟我強辯所以我想說明清楚而已我清楚啊,我剛剛聽了你你的說法我們要爭取,所以我們可以解釋說可以解釋說,因為 |
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那個理由不是針對天然災害 農業天然災害所以可以 我們要往這個方向去努力這個沒辦法處理 我跟委員報告你給我30秒就好我還負責協調行政院主計總署這個所謂的我們三預算的理由是一件事情決議了以後的結果是另外一件事情接下來 |
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特別收入基金可以超支並結算超支並結算也要有經費來源才能夠超支並結算這個112年11月行政院主計總署的報告為了幫你解決這個問題為了幫農民解決問題我想盡辦法找資料喔我都沒有怪你喔我們要往 |
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好的方向去争取农民的权益所以我们把这些资料提供给你也就是要帮助农民而且如果从109到111年度特别收入基金就针对 |
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農業災害的情況也有超支並結算也有超支並結算我們就往這個方向去努力好不好超支並結算也要有經費的來源現在重點就是說我超支並結算過往是用二倍金現在二倍金不能動了我還要再另外找錢不過我要跟委員講就算被動了以後我也想辦法借錢委員來處理 |
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你不了解超支並決算沒有關係回期再請回座我非常了解所以我要跟委員超支並決算一定要有經費來源才能做超支並決算請回座你的基金空了嗎完全沒有錢了嗎我的基金所有的基金都有它的科目基金不是一個水庫都可以隨便亂用的請回座 |
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不是每個人都會了解這個啦老公務員也不見得都會了解老公務員真的也都不見得都會了解好這個部長這個這個報導啊當初是為了海上的太陽光電所做的非常大的報導如果大海是一隻狂暴的野獸這主持人說的 |
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15334.335 |
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海上光電廠在這個狂暴的野獸的背上蓋一座太陽城呢這個我們的董事長打造陳不末的保臉打造陳不末的保臉然後我們經濟部以石油基金的預算 |
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15337.275 |
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15362.726 |
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113年度是8600多萬114年度2000多萬總共1億多的錢請教一下能源署因為這畢竟都是之前核定的跟部長無關除了石油基金補助之外還有其他的科目嗎有沒有其他科目 |
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15364.588 |
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如果還要查的話再順便給我好了好時間的關係然後石油基金收支保管金運用辦法規定的也很清楚了這個我們就下次再談然後這個這個是颱風前的的一個照片然後因為丹娜是颱風 |
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部長當那是颱風發生之後然後太陽能光電被吹的甚至吹到澎湖都有我一看啊這個當中度颱風啊當那是颱風是中度颱風啊 |
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15437.063 |
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台灣尤其是從屏東上來的颱風哪一個不是從屏東啊從屏東上來之後往台東往花蓮或者是往台灣海峽或者是從屏東然後就往廣東都是一定會經過屏東然後台灣的中度颱風何其多何況台灣的強度颱風 |
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15440.489 |
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15462.674 |
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何其何其的多所以這個部分我看了也很痛心了因為都是人民的納稅錢然後造成這樣的一個災害真的很痛心然後又不用還貧這只是其中之一如果我們要看其他的 |
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其他的都很多你也都看過了我也不講時間的關係我的意見就是說做決策者尤其是公務員尤其是公務員這部長不是你核定的所以在進行這種計畫核定的時候公務員要去思考 |
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臺灣的氣候台風會不可能不知道所以這個部分是一個需要去深思的好不好我們回去好好檢討這個部分不要再換這樣的一個重要的一個錯誤謝謝好謝謝好謝謝 |
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15533.339 |
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15546.457 |
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好 我們請召委謝一鳳質詢好 謝謝主席我想要請我們農業部的陳部長陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
15551.227 |
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15567.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
陳部長我想請問這次的清源專案我們彰化縣農民申請的期間是從7月就是到7月25號為止但是現在申請的農民跟農地有多少 |
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15586.447 |
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那我知道在嘉義跟台南他們可以延後那因為現在災民都在救災在申報的期限上面是不是有辦法也給予災民跟台南嘉義一樣延後申報呢 |
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15587.487 |
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15601.653 |
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我跟委員說明就是救災跟我們的這些補助包括你剛才講到道座的清源對那這個部分它不在救災的範圍所以它的沒有一些時間的限制然後第二個就是說救災的部分我們雖然說10天 |
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15623.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
但是如果需要延長的時候可以延長五天這個地方政府我們每天幾乎都打電話給地方政府保持聯絡如果說他覺得他的案件太多需要延長的話我們會立即同意的這個我想請農民可以放心所以一級倒座的這個就是申報還有就是清源不在這裡面嗎對 這個沒有 |
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這個用專案的輔導的話那個時間我們都沒有所謂的截止日啦你只要有真正的去繳交有他的事實的話我們都會認不會說因為他時間到了就不處理不會因為7月21號到期那還沒有去申報就不處理是不是你這樣講了要給農民清楚喔 |
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15646.73 |
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15674.092 |
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對我們會再去講清楚救助是一件事情這個是專門協助的部分就沒有時間的限制只要他有受災的時候就可以來申請因為我們水稻的面積是1800公頃是全國最大的一個部分而且將近那時候將近有20%還沒有收啦對我們那時候就是在委員的關心之下我們特別是把這個災害國也把它納入那這個部分在漲化地區的農民都覺得很不錯的一個方法 |
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15688.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
還有因為微怕颱風也要來了那因為微怕颱風如果來的話那這樣子其實也會就是說延長因為我們還不知道他現在入境的方向到底上岸的地點是為何 |
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15717.388 |
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所以影響的範圍我們也不清楚的狀況之下也期望就是說對於農業的災損那這一次農業部可以給予更長的時間然後讓農民好好的清除再加上二期稻作未來怎麼樣子進行如果目前清源以及就是沒有辦法清除現在在上面受損的這些稻作的話那 |
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15741.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].text |
有可能二期到時候沒有辦法順利那這樣怎麼做呢我想我們是希望說他如果是受災的這些股他可以千元的部分他直接可以拿掉然後他還來得及二期做那如果說現在快要收穫的話我們都希望說他能夠來得及二期做如果來不及二期做的部分的時候那相對的我們有二期做的這些轉做的誘因是可以來支持的 |
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15742.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].end |
15751.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
好 謝謝那你請回我想要請交通部陳次長還有內政部的董事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].start |
15757.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].end |
15786.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
我請問兩位來委員會報告因為這一次的災損很多都涉及到房屋還有車輛的這個部分喔那其實喔上一次在報這個災損的時候大家都感受到非常的不方便那請問這一次怎麼樣子協助災民在申請災損災害的這些救助的時候內政部跟交通部能夠重塑啊是不是先請內政部啊 |
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15788.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
15806.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
謝謝召委那我想內政部已經在行政院的指示之下我們已經透過在7月18號透過專案的方式補助那麼整個災損的方式我們就是依照院長的指示重寬重塑重寬重塑的方式來處理所以我們就是在那個 |
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你破損的範圍在6到30坪之內我們就是馬上就是給你補貼那60坪以上的我們也就是另外一個金額的補貼而且我們是以居住適時作為現況的認定好那每戶來做一個快速的補助那由地方政府來統籌由帶一窗口來運作這樣子 |
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其實在台南市已經就完成了相關的一個房屋的登記而且我們不是只有屋頂包括外牆的損毀還有一些相關的居住的狀況的損毀我們都有全部的保護那除了嘉義之外除了台南在嘉義縣也是一致那災區也都認定了 |
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我相信這一次雖然比較嚴重的就是南部那大家都是人機幾機人力幾力希望說內政部跟交通部對於相關的這樣子的災民的補助一定要從寬從簡不要是只是政策性的宣布沒有沒有 我們的錢都已經直接下去跟公所直接對接了對 好那你們倆請回 我們請經濟部長謝謝 |
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郭部長這一次我們看到屏東的這個旭東光電這個他在測試離岸光電浮板的這個系統海上的耐受性那我們看到了這一次明顯的嚴重 |
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是怎麼樣沒有辦法承受這個風災那未來離岸的光電還能做嗎你離岸光電沒有辦法做的話你怎麼做這是整個能源政策的問題啊你趕快回答是報告委員我想我們也在對這一次的這個颱風造成這樣的這個這個屏東的這個佳東這個地方的這個這個怎麼講他承載的這個 |
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結構存在的部分然後會變成漂流我非常訝異因為在去年三個比這個颱風更嚴重它也是存在的它沒問題為什麼這一次颱風會有問題所以我們大概在做研究就是必須要長期的觀察 |
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所以我當然這個是給我們一個非常好的一個學習那為什麼去年可以為什麼今年會有這個問題所以在做研究不會說只做這個幾個月啊或者是所以他會有一個長期的研究這一點跟委員報告那所以 |
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你們在太陽能光電這一塊上面如果離岸風電現在沒有辦法繼續做的話我是說如果他的抗壓就是抗風的能力不足的情況下 |
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你要多久的時間確定他有沒有辦法繼續做而目前我們知道現在即便是農地都拿來做光電其實我們也發現了根本不合我們所需的綠電的需求是不是 |
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你要怎麼做報告委員我們現在這個農地來做這個綠電的部分大部分就是農 農漁來做啦就底下做這個養殖然後上面做這個太陽能那大概這是一種另外一種我們會找的就底下沒有養殖大概就是不堪這個農作的地 |
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這個我們要盤點但全台灣還有一些它這個土地就是不能夠給種植所用我們盡量在那個我們還是認為現在好像大家對我們的綠電已經感覺上好像有點是嫌惡設施我們當然會盡量去找到跟一般的居民 |
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能夠大家可以接受但是如果大家認為說光電這個不應該在台灣發展那我們就這樣會想到其他的方法啦那確實這個會對我們現在要馬上面臨RE100的這樣的一個實現 |
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我們會考慮很多在台灣我們有其他的方法包括我們用地熱或者我們用小水利不過這都不足以來滿足光電的部分光電我們還是會繼續再找只是很多的數據會讓我們做一個參考作為地點的一個選擇 |
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那所以未來如果像這樣子的一個離岸的光電廠你們要繼續測試的話那抗風的它這個抗風的係數有沒有辦法提高我認為如果它沒有辦法滿足這樣的一個需求因為可能那個風向的問題啦這一次我們從台南嘉義的那些風災 |
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來看都是南北向的這個房子啊這個它被捲起來這個屋頂被捲起來大概都是這樣南北向那如果說你是東西向的大概就沒有受災那是不是抗風係數的問題那未來有沒有辦法提高光電板的抗風係數這個我們都會從這個這一次的經驗裡面來做學習 |
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所以你還不知道我們會學習我想我們會跟這個我們是相信科學的人所以我們會從科學的角度裡面來解決這個問題因為我覺得就是經濟部應該就這個部分真的要通盤性的檢討我們因為有工業技術研究院所以我們工業技術研究院裡面也有綠能研究所 |
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他們會對這一次的現象那麼造成這些現象的原因我們會充分的研究好 我希望經濟部通盤的檢討因為畢竟這個能源的政策對於台灣來講是非常重要對於經濟發展也非常重要那如果沒有辦法走這一塊的時候我們必須要了解說下一步我們要怎麼樣做好 謝謝 |
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好 現在請呂玉玲委員做詢答 呂玉玲委員 呂玉玲委員不在現在請林黛嬅委員做詢答有請郭部長 |
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好 本星相 針對這個極端氣候衝擊再生人員設施 中央是放手地方無力 造成災害好 我們來看這一次的當奈斯颱風這個是從嘉義縣登陸造成的嘉義縣這120年來的一個災情慘重那也多達了70億萬戶的停電但這凸顯了我極端氣候下我的氣候風險 |
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所帶來的一個電力的一個韌性的因應其實是相對要更高的一個標準好我們看這個丹納斯颱風的光電跟電廠本席針對這樣的極端氣候所造成的光電廠當中 |
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來做一個討論那在這次颱風當中光電廠是14個案其中這4個案大的電廠的4個案都在滯洪池上小型案場10個而這個災損只要在這個災損的部分在光電廠是沒有人好在沒有人傷亡但是設施是有損害的那風電廠是完全沒有災損就是在設備上也沒有 |
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好那我們看發電量這次的光電廠的一個發電量的損失的總裝置容量到32.62MW也就是每天損失將近高峰用電的11.2萬噸我光是這個清台所造成的一個高峰用電量就11.2萬噸的損失這是你經濟部能源署所提供的數據喔 |
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好那本席啊這個在前兩次我已經質詢過了就是台電應該以綜合電業方式繼續經營確保民生穩定而這當中這一次的質詢第二次的這個質詢當中有去講到再次第二次的去提到人員署應該建立 |
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評估建立再生人員場域各級數據的監理機制並且規劃台電場域先行事辦以利後續的推動要求到民營電廠那到底有沒有呢剛才聽到我們謝映峰召回他質詢的他講得非常的好你們根本沒有工具 |
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你的工具在哪裡 你說要科學的監理哪裡有好 等一下我再講說你們的科學監理所以這次是再生人員沒有環境數據的監理機制也就沒有預宣防災的判斷個作為我剛才就講到說這次發生的都在志鴻池上 |
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為什麼我光電廠會沒有摘損因為它的它已經有個機制了只要風到什麼極速的時候它就鎖住了它不會再做風力的運轉但是這一次在水域當中的這個光電廠怎麼樣 |
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風力到什麼極致的時候我滯洪池上的光電廠我應該做怎麼樣的保護譬如說我應該做電纜相關的那個矽電纜是不是應該加強或矽纜要做加強類似這樣的機制我們是沒有所以你在這個環境再生能源場域各級數據的監理機制當中其實是有缺失的 |
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那再生人員場域的數據監理機制台電公司回覆給本席的我這邊都是你們的文字台電公司已經建立相關的管理架構跟運作規模其實這是人員署管你們人員署就說那台電來管 |
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那我也講到這個能源署是有公權力的他不管你叫台電先是先行要台電去管全國的那不可能他沒有公權力啊所以他維護給本席的台電公司已經進入相關的管理架構跟這個運作模式了涵蓋配電級跟輸電級的各再生能源數據的監控跟管理好所以才確保了各再生能源的穩定並往跟電網喔好所以台電只重視什麼 |
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發電跟設備這本來就是他的專業啊他的專業在哪裡他的專業不在於我是不是自然環境的變化因素會影響我的發電跟設備的關聯性重點是這個所以你的監理機制跟管理機制是只管發電跟設備 |
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我們期待的剛才歷任的包括剛才昭緯所講的我們的風水陣會不會怎麼影響我的發電跟是不是你是沒有辦法做監理跟管理的好那你們的回文那是這樣啦台電的監控之管理其實都是以電力出發這是本席爬梳出來你們的缺失 |
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不能說缺失啦 就應該在經濟的部分 而非環境影響為優先你們的監控機制回文叫什麼 依台電公司等等等等 這麼長的一個原則要求再生林園廠將資料回傳至調度中心喔這個資料中心只包括什麼 資料只有氣象資料我這個是光電廠 我只有收集這個太陽光 |
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那太陽光當中的光電廠你只收集太陽光那你有沒有想到我的有效日照有效日照我降雨會不會影響有效日照我風力會不會影響這個光電廠的設備我的強震跟強風會不會影響這個光電廠的各項的結構安全 |
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其實是沒有的 部長其實這我要凸顯出來讓你了解這個的嚴重性我就是因為光天我只收集光那之前的其他的降雨 風力 強震等環境因素就沒有了所以你就沒有這個工具去做判斷 |
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那你的監理機制當中除了氣象資料的單項之外其他的都是電力了什麼有效電力瞬間值 無效電力瞬間值這本來就是台電他的強項那這個東西跟我的環境影響跟我的電力有沒有關聯 沒有 |
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好那你的管理機制呢台電只做到什麼他說我要求了各再生人員廠裝置相關的電力保護措施我怎麼保護電力嘛如果遇到強大我怎麼保護電力所以呢他這邊講的就比如說電壓控制頻率響應及故障穿越能力其實還是一樣他還是講電所以相關的監理跟管理都是以電為出發缺乏電廠安全跟環境影響進行科學管理 |
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我們再來看青苔這邊已經形成青苔的丹納斯風災它形成了範圍性的天然災害也凸顯再生人員不是僅有電力供應應該被管理我們來看這幾個盲點 |
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台電公司的管理機制都是僅針對電力供應本身過去的台電都是單一電廠獨立作業他具備完整的應變能力這其實是真的要感謝台電他怎麼樣的完整的應變能力他這次當中更凸顯了還有充足的備品隨時待命的輪值人員緊急應變的機制這更是對於我們的民營再生人員廠有沒有這些東西沒有 |
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我們是沒有的所以綠能電廠是分散場域而且是基礎設施收拾未完善的地點譬如說我們都是要農業貧瘠之地或者是相關的地處偏遠 |
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所以呢更在這些民營當中的地點的這樣的一個特性之外我缺乏人員駐點應變我沒有這些民營黨是沒有人員駐點的那更不要說他對生態環境及水土保持可能會有影響的多項變數在綠能電廠是完全沒有好那我人員數 |
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你不應該核准後就任由民營電廠自行管制我已經質詢兩次了其實你應該要這個能源電廠你說環境部各自的電廠做要核准你要做環境影響評估做完之後就沒事了 |
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本期希望的是你要統籌這些電廠的環境影響不穩固之後的數據人員數做全國的統籌隨時的調整之後你20年期到了你要做換證要做延展了 |
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你是不是要做一下評估一下 我要延展我的氣候條件 極端氣候條件什麼的變化我應該怎麼樣的各個設施當中 我應該要怎麼的再加嚴的要求呢所以我期待的就是你的環境影響評估 每個民營電廠都花了那麼多錢做但是呢 做完之後就沒事了 繳報告給環境部就可以了 |
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之後沒有啊誰要來做監理你要去環境部去監理你的電廠嗎不可能啊那你只有人員署啊你不能拋給台電台電哪有能力去管所有民營電廠跟地方政府不可能所以這個人員署就應該是要統籌所有民營電廠的一個整個的這個數據的監控跟管理那地方政府本身沒有電力專業啊 |
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那台電又不具公權力啊所以能源署你現在不收集掌握資料就無法做決策的參考現在也無法面對問題之外你未來也不能調整20年期滿的電廠展延機制 |
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我們在兼顧再生人員與居民用電這邊本席有一個要求全國區域電網骨幹的電力韌性我們投入了5600億但這次風災凸顯了電網末端輸送電網末端輸送遭遇極端氣候時的脆弱所以請經濟部盤點全國區域地理特性 |
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因地制宜規劃電網方案並納入行政院的二次人員轉型這是按照媒體講因為我不曉得你的二次人員轉型的細部計畫是什麼我只看你爆派的你的二次人員轉型吶包含的是多元綠能深度節能 |
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儲能技術應用核能安全本席要求你要把這樣的一個末端電網電網末端輸送的這個方案納入二次電網要全國區域性喔靠山靠海靠城市靠偏鄉這個全國你比如說雲嘉南這次最重他全部都平延他的這個區域特性的結果你的電網規劃是什麼 |
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那如果針對我們三區包括我高雄市三區這個是面積幾乎佔了我的高雄的一半以上那你這個部分它的電網又要怎麼的規劃所以你在這個電網末端尤其它是對我民生是最急切的 |
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你們之前5600億是在全國的區域電網主幹線當中的電力網絡但是在這個末端跟我名聲最主要最有感的電力的輸送你們有沒有規劃 沒有所以本席要求這個部分你要重新的來重視而且納入二次能源的轉型 因為要經費啊這個要經費啊 你不能全部都給地方啊全部給台電 那台電又更是更要倒了 |
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那最後本席具體要求對於這個再生能源安全性的穩定性的強烈主張所以要求兩件事情要求經濟部能源署檢討更新你的再生能源場域各級數據的監理機制第二個規劃電網末端輸送的電網韌性方案這是新的方案 |
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那以維持再生能源跟我居民安全居民的用電安全這是雙重保障所以部長你怎麼看報告委員我想你所垂詢的這一個部分我們都有在檢討那這一次的這個我想因為氣候變遷造成了這一次比較嚴重的傷害也是我們一個學習的樣本那我們會以這一些比較脆弱的部分我們會來強化我想這一次的這個經驗 |
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我們會把所有的結構剛才你在垂詢的這個包括這個floating的這個系統確實在結構上面我們過去雖然有技師簽證過但是還是沒有辦法耐到時機急風所以我們會從這個上面來學習將來會把這些東西全部都來強化希望能夠達到讓所有的用電戶能夠跟使用電的這個部分沒有這個斷電的這樣的一個 |
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雨綠這樣的一個困擾往前往前部長我想的我不是只有針對floating的部分來來往前往前這個不能動好再往前好這個 |
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好 我講的不是只有針對那個滯洪池喔我說以光電廠為例主要收集的是有效日照你光是你的數據跟管理你本身就要做調整跟增加了嘛我們都會 我們會來這個考慮因為現在極端氣候嘛造成的這個變異非常的大那我們會來做這一方面的強化所以這樣的這個你們的這個管理跟監控機制的數據你們這是有發文的喔有真的是欸 這個你們為什麼不動啊 |
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目前的監控機制是有環境部他們在做那我們會來討論到底哪個部分要再加強這個機制不是環境部 是人員署人員署講個話吧 |
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還是台電自己發布的我跟委員報告那個剛剛講的那幾塊因為涉及到電力調度的部分因為台電必須要知道說那個附近區域他到底光源可以發的怎麼樣所以台電他在每一天前一天他都會做一些預測所以他必須要要求說那些數據要可以提供給台電做調度 |
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簡單啦 你要不要更新你這樣的再生人員場域各級數據管理機制這個是你們的一個對 這個部分我們會再跟台電檢討說這個後續要怎麼樣但是也跟委員澄清一下那個環評的部分環評的部分只要做完環評環境部就會去做監督那我們的演員署就會負責追蹤這個是法令上規定我們這個已經大概做了二十幾年了跟委員補充報告一下 |
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追蹤啊 所以那你追蹤當中有做數據的分析嗎有 那個數據我們有尤其是你主責還是環境部主責追蹤的部分我們會把數據整理出來以後會將結果報到環境部所以這是錯的嘛沒有 法規是這樣規定的那你要調整法規啊你這個法規是 |
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所以這就是你們兩個部門的矛盾點啦當然是你人員署啊那這個法你可以改啊 |
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我是點問題 我不講 反正最後罵的是你 但是本席最在意的是罵的是本執政黨罵的是本執政黨啊 你這個電廠的數據你推給環境部 環境部收到這個數據之後他說對電廠會有什麼的衝擊 然後他再告訴你 你不是多此一舉嗎 |
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所以數據的分析跟你相關設備的這個因應的機制當然是你數據的分析包括日照我說光是一個光電廠光是它的下雨就會影響日照它的風力也會影響你的基礎結構包括你的強震包括都會影響結構這結構有你的土木結構你的建築的你的這個設備的結構都會影響啊 |
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那就算這個數據不是你分析嗎 它只呈現這個數據而已啊我要說兩件事了 有關 |
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這個電廠的營運的部分的資料我們自己會分析那個我們也會tag那不足的部分我們會檢討那這是委員說的第一塊第二塊有關環境監測數據是當初環境部他在環境影響評估審查的結論所以那個部分我們必須要報依環境影響評估法報到環境部去環境部就最後所以這是兩塊事情跟我們報告環境影響評估內的所有的數據你的環評所做的所有數據你都有百分百的監控嗎 |
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會依照環評法最後的結論他要求我們目的使用的結論要做追蹤的部分我們會請業者所以並沒有全部嗎沒有他環評法最後的結論要我們追蹤什麼我們就會把追蹤的結果報到環境部去就是依他的最後的結論就是我們就依照結論來辦 |
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對 你的結論就是說你有掌握 我在意的是你的結論的數據有沒有去做分析第一個是你的結論有沒有 只是依法嘛 那有沒有需要增加也許他業者做了10項 但是你最後監控的只有6項你依照規定的是6項 可是你發現到 我其實是要這10項我全部都要繼續監控的喔好 第二個 這個監控的彼此之間的關係 我的這個對 |
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天然資源再生能源是來自天然資源啊所以天然資源對於這個你這個整個風場整體風場的影響這才是你主則我在意的是你的數據的完備性跟你的這個影響的這個數據的交叉的分析這才是重點這才叫做科學管理啊科學科學數據科學管理啊你要做到這點那是不是要檢討呢有沒有檢討的必要我應該是說我們運轉數據的那些項目是不是 |
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是不是要檢討啊這個部分我們好那就是如果你要檢討你要多久 |
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你就能夠要去更新你的再生人員場域更新數據的監理機制啊跟委員報告一下 這個因為我們現在像太陽光電 風力這些我們其實都會隨著這個環境變遷去持續做檢討所以這個需要一點時間 這個我們到時候檢討完會跟委員報告好 OK 沒問題 我也不逼你時間 再來你的電網末端輸送的電網任性 這個是台電講的話 |
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向委員報告那因為這次我們也看到風災造成的這個災害這個災害的情境跟以往完全不一樣就是十六十七級風所以這個部分對於如何強化我們的我們有分短期 中期 長期都會做一些因應那部長有一些指示那我們會盡速來辦理你對於本期講的電網末端輸送我最在意這個因為這跟我民生最有關係 |
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對 我們不管你那個 你花了五千六百億我跟你講 人民是無感的但是對於你我都知這個是很重要的但是現在對人民最有感的就是我的跟我民生最末端的那個電網的一個脆弱性才是讓我民眾對於政府覺得非常的不信任就會導致說 啊這個是你的人員政策就會跳得太快了 |
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那這個會不會影響民眾真的喔 就是你們政府的能源政策錯誤喔就會被導入這個狀態然後你跟他講說我已經花了五千六百億他還是聽不懂你花了五千六百億你怎麼還是讓我家的電信桿全部倒了還讓台電員工將近兩個禮拜不眠不休的倒入 |
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那你那5600億花在哪裡我現在的質詢方法叫做反對黨的質詢方法但我相信這個是誤導式的質詢方法那民眾聽得下去聽不下去絕對聽得下去因為你花了5600億可是這5600億不是花在跟我民生最有關係的電網末端嗎就是我家前面那個電線港你不能倒啊 |
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因為一倒就是影響到我家人民在意的是這個啊那這個我希望你對於全國性做個盤點做一個專案也許這個整個你盤點完後出來需要三千億比如說 |
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我認為這是新的 從雲加南當中這是新的方案而且是靠山靠海 靠水 不管靠山靠海 或者城鄉之間這才是新的話 本席講的這個是新的方案所以你覺得這個是不是應該 你要去想一下 評估一下這個是應該啟動這樣的一個電網末端的輸送方案才對啊是 我們會評估 因為部長有指示 我們會評估整個短中長期都會出來好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們現在請陳聽飛委員助詢答謝謝主席我們先請內政部董事長 |
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市長我先問你這是你們所公布的20平方公尺以上衛台100平方公尺是補助5萬元100平方公尺以上是補助10萬元那請問20平方公尺跟100平方公尺到底污損的狀況我要以補助5萬或是10萬這是誰認定 |
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這是公所來聆聽喔?公所來聆聽,好,來,他要怎麼聆聽?這是3坪,就是說6坪到,6坪要30坪的差別,就是說你的署定,如果是6坪大小的破空,還是說你的...市長,你這樣說,就是你沒有去到之前去看,是,苦公所要怎麼跟我們聆聽? |
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你今天你拿了這些20平方公尺跟100平方公尺他今天屋頂破了到底這個是20平方公尺還是100平方公尺到底他是要把自己再繼續打掉打到100平方公尺 因為都不能用了啊他不論 |
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是掉了一個我們就是憑照片照片之後你有照相有記錄你們不要這樣說你們都說憑照片可是你知道嗎地方的區公所承辦人員也跟你們一樣都是公務人員你叫他去認定這個 |
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他怎麼去認定 他拿的照片 現在都要求說喔 沒沒沒 你要去看你叫人 叫工去處理 看你怎麼處理阿不然你今天只有一個照片 你知道都造成大家很大的麻煩所以你根本重減 重寬 重塑 根本就是口號嘛 |
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沒有跟委員報告我們一定是努力去這樣處理去做就是說不是你們努力是區公所的承辦人員你們叫基層的承辦人員去承擔這個壓力不是所有的照片資料回傳之後我們就會來認定有你們認定你剛剛又跟我說有區公所認定區公所那邊認定就可以了他只要照冊就可以了照冊啊相片照冊對不對好啊那我現在就問你啊我屋頂 |
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我屋頂已經在流汗 我的蝦三十一、三二月的蝦都燒開了它燒五片、燒六片 基本上那幾片都沒用了 |
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你們可能不知道什麼叫三合院 你們也不知道什麼叫廈柱廈柱既要鬆動之後 它整片就不會動了那今天造完之後 請問要怎麼認定它也是要整片挖它沒有整片的話沒有辦法 那請問這是20平方公尺還是100平方公尺 |
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我們這是未住經的部分啦什麼叫住經 未住經就是說你如果想來 你如果想來 沒錯你們是以房子嘛 港鐵的保溫是另外一個保溫有去處理的嗎 沒有啦我們有修善補助的機制 是的 |
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市長我現在已經跟你講了 這是未註金所以我們要從快 從速 從簡 從寬 對不對所以你講的嘛 這是未註金 對不對所以你要讓基層很清楚 這是未註金可是因為你們有這個叫20平方公尺跟100平方公尺這個部分就會給基層很大的壓力因為要寫什麼 |
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我如果給了他那別人去檢舉我會不會像88風災一樣又要去調查局或是要去地檢署去被問話 |
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院長已經只是從寬從幽我們就是會從寬從幽你們不要再從寬從幽重檢你們要讓基層人員能夠安心他沒有安心他會設計出很多你要求的文件這些文件就會綁住了所有的民眾 |
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我今天跟你講就是說 請你們去了解一下我們從地方 每一天我們都在區公所我們都在區公所 這樣子繞來繞去那你今天你要承辦人員去認定這個你們也給他很確認的一個方向他會擔心 就會要求很多的資料你知道要寫七張嗎 要寫七張嗎 |
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這不是我們的規定這是台南市政府的規定所以你們要溝通嘛那為什麼會那為什麼他們要寫到7張欸 環的啊因為你所謂的20平方公尺跟100平方公尺你要叫我界定所以我一直在談的就是說你們要同理心 |
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你們在中央你們有沒有想到在地方區公所這些承辦人員你要叫他去認定他有壓力自然會想出很多的方式當他想出很多方式我們的重減重寬重塑就變是一個夢 |
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不可能是這樣因為到目前為止你知道我們的電話都被打爆了每次下去到基層都是說委員他一次叫我們寫那麼多單要我們這個東西要我們那個東西我們怎麼有可能好那我再拜託市長這個部分拜託你馬上我們今天下午會跟台南市政府做釐清確認所有的資料為住經 |
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對 這是衛助金 記得這一句 衛助金衛助金就是我們要幫他及時雨你知道我們到第一線那個阿公阿嬤我們叫他說 你要不要不要住他說沒有 這是野豬我說 阿嬤要怎麼做他說 要給我暑睡你們可以想像這樣的感覺嗎 |
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我們這幾天在那邊看 我們看到了新疆 他們在跟我們講說要給我們保養很多豬 我們是要怎麼保真的現在已經第15天了不要再為了這個事件 然後好像一直在雞同鴨講鬼打牆來我請農業部陳部長 |
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部長 我告訴你 你們漁業署署長真的很專業他下去基層說明的時候 我真的要幫你撈下去可能我撈下去會害到他啦 但是真的要撈下去啦 |
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他從救助補助到低利貸款每一個細項就講得很清楚可是講清楚還是有些我們必須協助的當時候我們去說明的時候有防鳥網有養殖用的竹筏這個要列入補助當下我們也請相關單位調了資料這個進度如何防鳥網養殖用竹筏這都是工具啦 |
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這種用心會牽掛啦所以這個部分到底我們現在怎麼樣第一時間我們在現場跟台南市與會還有區與會一起談論的事情 |
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來我們部長我跟委員說明就是因為整個漁業生產或農業生產以後它的細目非常多那你這邊提到的防鳥網有沒有這個防鳥網我們本來在96年就沒有在補助不過我們在這次的設計裡面可以在一些相關的項目裡面去容納 |
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還有養殖用竹筏沒有關係啦其實你只要能夠讓他們有機會去得到應有的補助這都屬於工具就是我養殖過程必須用的在這一次全部都銷毀了那養殖用的竹筏呢 |
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這個一樣喔 我們也是用其他的方式齁 去把他放在裡面我沒辦法 去哄啊 想哄啊這個都是他必要的 所以這個部分就是用你們可以用的方式去協助他們 |
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對 我們會用這種方式處理 但是我們不會明列說防鳥網因為這個一列的話 可能列的非常非常多我知道 項目非常多 可能就是有一個帶瓜的就是我在養殖當中需要用的工具這一次都毀損了 都毀損了所以我可以來申請補助 這個部分一定要因為真的是非常淒慘我們用專案補助會比較相對單純 |
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用專案補助啦 這個拜託然後再來就是養雞場還有很多我們相類似的畜牧場這個部長 來我讓你看一下這個它的主幹都歪了然後呢 它的整個地基都扭曲了這個去到我們區公所報說沒有啦 你這裡沒有20%啦 |
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他的主幹都歪了然後整個整個都到位置都大挪移了我跟威仁報告就是蓄情場的部分分兩個部分一個是他裡面飼養的那個雞隻這一件事情對那其他的我們蓄舍的部分我們用剩養補助沒錯變成八成 |
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所以他只要有像你這樣的認定的照相的事實的話我們都會用專案方式去補助沒有所謂的百分之二十這件事沒有啦所以這個部分要解釋清楚就是說如果他重建可以補助到八成 |
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農民的部分然後呢再來就是我們這一次有很多養豬養雞養鴨他有續養登記但是沒有牧場登記因為這有很多的故事我們專門補助的時候就不會處理這個 |
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因為救助才會去看合法性但是專案補助的話我們只是希望讓農民盡快的能夠恢復到正常的部分所以如果說在這個部分的人這一次會用專案補助重觀認定只要是他有修繕的部分拿了相關的收據他有經營的事實我們就會來處理對 拿什麼資料去跟區公所申報這個相對的就是第一個照相照相是最容易的 |
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它有一個入積的那個證明嘛這個東西是非常容易去取得的有這些證明你們就可以有相對的補助這個你要跟區公署說補助的部分不像說救助的部分有時間的限制那補助的部分我想我們只要因為大家都在忙於清理嘛那補助的部分我們那個時間會拉長對會拉長嘛所以部長拜託你 |
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就是說因為這一次我們的專案補助真的很多我也常常跟我們的農民漁民說你們今天不管怎麼樣就先照相照相完就是先申報因為我們這一次中央了解地方 |
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真的災害影響太多了我們農業漁業還有我們的民眾這一次要復原的時間非常的長所以就先照相先申報我們自然在專案會一件一件出來不要影響到自己的權利所以我也看到了我們這一次真的很多的專案有別於以往所以 |
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補助的部分是沒有這些條件的所以也希望我們相關單位要很瞭解區公所基本上就要瞭解這個一定要跟台南市政府說那我有一個部分那個經濟部長 謝謝經濟部長郭部長 |
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其實我2016年就已經向林全院長爭取台南市要納入電纜地下化因為當時候我們經過了很重要的有三個颱風 |
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所以那時候也造成大停電40萬戶累積下來40萬戶當時候所以我才會在2016年向林全院長爭取但是現在基本上我們的動作幾乎是一小步一小步一小步而且這個一小步是有一點在往後因為我們的經費不夠所以部長其實從這一次 |
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這一次我們的丹納斯颱風說真的這是極端氣候所造成的沒有錯可是就像過去我們好雨當我們要求百年洪水位所有的這也是我們經濟部負責的我們的水利標準都用到達百年洪水位整個做調整也是因為88風災所以一次的大雨造成整個帶淹水 |
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那我們這一次其實丹納斯颱風是我們一個警惕有可能因為我們的極端氣候未來颱風都是風速無法可以控管沒有人可以想要說16級風到19級風所以部長這個電纜地下化我們的主幹線一定要先做我們主幹線沒有做就像這一次全部倒了2000多支的電線桿 |
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都是從我們的主幹線從主幹線到內 然後再加護你要多少時間 |
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所以我們是不是應該有一套的專案在我們主幹線的部分應該從我們這個地下化的一個編列預算去做處理你認為呢報告委員我想這些都是科技的問題啦我們會專業評估啦能夠做地下化我們就做地下化因為地勢比較低的啊淹水後大廈更大所以那個地勢高的我們當然可以做地下化 |
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那最低是比較低的黑的有淹水可能性的部分我們要考慮有什麼其他的工法來處理部長我當然不是叫你全面啊有些不能做地下化有些要做地下化那我們今天如果把地下化的一個範圍加大 |
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那是不是這一次我們就不會有這麼多兩千多隻的電線桿第一時間我們到現場去看的時候我是從這個安南區到旗鼓一路看看到這個貨幣牌倒了 |
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那太可怕了一直到嘉義 2000多隻所以我一直要講的你們第一時間可能沒有想到會這麼嚴重所以我們要期待的是這一次是我們的一個警惕真的是警惕因為只要有一次一次極端氣候阻造成了一個氣候的怪胎有可能以後都會有這樣的狀況 |
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所以部長我拜託這是我2016年就已經向林泉院長爭取台南市要納入電纜地下化當時候就是三個颱風有40萬戶但是這一次呢這一次有幾萬戶一百萬對 |
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而且是一次那是三個颱風累積這個是一次所以部長我們一定要盡快提出我們這一次的一個檢討方案多久我們的檢討方案我們這個檢討方案當然會 |
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那個台電要兩個月的做巨大的評估兩個月沒關係我們可以等你兩個月做出一個真正能夠除了任性也可以真正讓人民安心的一個方法跟方式跟專案跟預算的編列我相信沒有人敢擋這一次這樣子如果敢擋我跟他拼命謝謝好 謝謝 |
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現在登記發言委員除不在場外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束委員呂毅林陳冠廷徐欣盈所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會本日議程處理完畢散會 |