| IVOD_ID |
168220 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168220 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T10:01:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T10:13:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb0111463f4f60f9400a7afadf2dd1952ec212c5ce4660756d317444451dbb786d95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:01:28 - 10:13:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣電力股份有限公司董事長及台灣中油股份有限公司董事長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、財政部首長、行政院主計總處首長就「台美關稅協定（ART）中關於『擴大採購及購買』（原油、天然氣、發電設備等）項目之評估、規劃及涉及之問題與工作，並就台灣中油股份有限公司之增資案」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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今天我們有請陳廷飛委員質詢謝謝主席 我們請經濟部長陳委員早部長你知道現在台灣有兩個亂嗎一個是塑膠袋之亂一個是土方之亂 |
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塑膠袋之亂我們上個禮拜在質詢公平會的時候公平會說他會配合你們他要怎麼配合你們公平會主要是看有沒有聯合行為是啊他說要有合意那什麼叫合意奇怪了現在有人那麼笨嗎明明知道說你公平會要處罰我就是以合意那我自己還跳入那個漩渦 |
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他有那麼笨嗎他居然說他是配合你們好我就問他們那請問壟斷的部分呢還有我只要晚兩三天出貨供跟需產生了不同的平衡那是不是價格就跳上去了這個會有壟斷嗎也不會啊因為那是我出貨的問題 |
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我說公平問你怎麼會活在自己的世界裡啊那你把責任都推給經濟部然後我問 部長你們有去查嗎我們有去了解 對了解的結果呢就是商圈的昨天我有跟那個商圈的全台灣的商圈代表有做了座談會是啊那大概來了30個商圈那比較有明顯的這個他說他比較買不到是有一個商圈就是嘉義地區 |
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那他主要我們會後了解是說因為他習慣的通路商可能比較缺啦那我們現在是透過小北跟剩餘五金嘛那我們現在就幫他處理就是說他如果要用原來的通路商我們就來協助他的通路商如果他可以用新的通路商我們也來協助他好那經過你們這樣座談完之後你覺得會解決了嗎 |
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對 我們是盡快的可以紓款源頭也有 我們增加那個料源料源的話從這個原來生產塑膠的乙烯2.2萬噸我們現在增加到2.75萬噸那希望這次增加大概百分之二十幾希望這個製造商你不用擔心你會有料源所以你認為你這樣子一輪溝通協調之後我們的塑膠袋之亂會解決嗎 |
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至少商圈的这些代表或理事长们除了商圈还有小摊贩呢还有菜市场呢市场的部分我会下一轮就是明后天我会再做一个轮所以这些一层一层的这些每天都急需要用到塑胶袋的你们动作好像有点慢每天都在努力每天都在努力速度要加快否则 |
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這些問題一個塑膠袋雖然過去我們都不會把它當一回事可是這一次中東的戰爭之後它變成一個大事耶超級大事耶大家曾幾何時會認為說我居然會買不到塑膠袋 |
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所以大部分的商圈他们还是说可以啦所以部长我才会说啊但是价格是有稍微涨是啊那价格为什么会涨就是供需的问题嘛所以他只要晚个一两天出货基本上价格就跳上去了啊 |
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何必像公平會說還要合議有這麼笨嗎所以部長你要跟公平會說既然要配合要給人民安心給消費者安心積極作為要到位 |
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現在是法務部聯合我們經濟部包括公平會我們有一個聯合稽查的小組那現在也全台灣也少過一輪也少過一輪了好你認為這個塑膠袋之亂多久你有信心可以讓它比較穩定 |
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我們只能盡快跟盡力啊盡快嘛 盡快到底是多久嘛 所謂盡快半個月還是一個月你所謂的盡快應該不用嘛 所以盡一個禮拜有可能就解決了 對不對希望嘛 好 拜託你這一拖 人民對政府的欣欣指數又下降了 |
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所以越快處理越好另外一個部分就是我們的土方之亂部長你知道嗎現在台北很多工程都停擺因為了解原因之後就是土方沒的地方去啊 |
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所以整個都停擺啊這怎麼辦還有自來水公司我不知道現在到底你們都解決了嗎來那個台電董事長解決了嗎你們公共工程最近大家都在追案子追案子之後問起來就是因為土方沒辦法堆置所以都停擺 |
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那個跟委員報告就是說您這個表列出來我們大概全國各個縣市現在都在陸續在解決那當然我們土方的處理跟運送費用增加的非常的多這是我們現在面對到的難題那為什麼就是土方去劃的地點不管他是去掩埋堆置等等都需要 |
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不同的縣市有不同的條件對 沒有啊 就是不夠量嘛你要去堆置的沒有地方去嘛好 那這個誰要去解決縣市政府嗎還是我們中央台電要去協調我們中央相關的國土署或是國福相關單位這該怎麼辦因為不是你們問題連自來水其實也發生問題了 |
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這怎麼辦跟委員報告就是說我知道的狀況是行政院跟主辦的國土機關都有在處理這個問題很多地方也都陸續找到區劃的問題現在是問題越來越嚴重啊 |
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沒有解決 沒有趨緩現在是越來越嚴重有那多久 多久來 董事長你認為這個要多久每個縣市都發生這個問題那個委員 我說明一下其實有很多縣市都陸續在解決當中那我這樣講就是好 那你 我不問其他縣市我們台南什麼時候要解決台南所有的工程 台電工程幾乎 |
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很多的案子都在家因為當然是颱風的關係其實我們地下化的工程量最大所以我們也確實在台南真的是遇到最大的就是我們希望能夠有一定程度的解決好那怎麼辦嘛如果戰志或什麼其他中線誰要做平台去解決啦 |
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誰在這個時候應該跳出來去解決這個問題因為你們會有排擠現在台南除了有我們的營造建設還有我們的公共工程還有我們的台電自來水你讓我光一念工程有多少在進行土方的堆置要有多少場 |
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所以這該怎麼辦誰要出面去做這些協調因為裡面有一個平台那相關的單位也有一個平台好 那我拜託會後把這個平台跟你的進度跟我說一下看我們現在到底要怎麼處理這個土方之亂好不好另外一個很重要的拜託主席因為這是昨天發生的問題我讓大家先看一段影片來 |
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請問一下今天停電的情況是怎麼樣?突然停電所以導致現在都沒有辦法工作?所有的員工都下班了嗎?老闆叫你們都直接下班,大概停電多久? |
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到現在兩個小時多了啊所以都沒有辦法工作老闆叫你們直接就直接下班了又不知道什麼時候恢復啊好的好的那我來反映看看謝謝你不好意思啊這裡什麼時候停電的?12點通啊12點兩分而已啊所以說這樣子的話你是不是就沒有辦法工作?對啊因為沒有電啊電車去沒得穿啊那通票也不會發啊 |
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我讓你看這兩段影片這是在昨天麻豆工業區無預警停電長達兩個半小時 |
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然後呢你也知道在工業區基本上只要一停電他所影響的這些生產還有他的機器可能影響的損失非常的慘重那董事長有沒有去了解為什麼會停電兩個多小時剛剛委員的簡報裡面有寫到確實是變電站出口的纜線劣化對好那這怎麼辦 |
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我們會我們其實這幾年來都在加強做我們藍線劣化的一些查查那當然這個數量已經開始降低了就停電的數量降低那我們其實速度速度那個委員跟委員報告就是說我們有1500萬個用戶 |
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好我想說這個事情不是我是說在工業沒有沒有不是董事長你誤解我的意思我想我們逐步都有在做一些調整跟修復或是說我們有在加強韌性可是我現在講的是我們有沒有針對所有的工業區去做盤整這個是發生在工業區所以我是要拜託董事長 |
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我們希望的是你應該要把所有工業區的電纜韌性然後應該儘速做檢查 |
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這個部分我們會加強來做這個倒是沒有問題的但是我們有很多如果你的用電是比較說是特高壓用電等等的我們基本上都有雙潰線那這一個部分我們再去了解工業區內部停多久那其實整個來看兩個小時我們是12點多停然後2點回復 |
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所以這個部分停的時間非常長如果說讓你說有雙軌那應該不會停那麼久所以這個部分所以所以董事長這個部分我希望我們能夠針對麻豆工業區的整個電纜韌性趕快去做加強然後應該延伸檢視各個工業區它的電纜韌性因為工業區比較特別我發現一件好再拜託董事長好謝謝好謝謝 |