| IVOD_ID |
168218 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168218 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-08T09:49:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-08T10:02:50+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:52 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/70d8fc05dcd8abb0d5bf8a42fd2b31dfb9b76447cfe948db212c5ce4660756d3115c5ccd0058a55f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葛如鈞 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:58 - 10:02:50 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家科學及技術委員會主任委員吳誠文列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席 有請吳主委好 有請主委各位好主委好請問主委知道我們賴總統的名字英文名字裡面有哪兩個英文字母是您應該要非常關注的嗎 |
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AI很好賴總統應該也是最重視AI我想要跟您請教一件事去年年底我們千辛萬苦的一起努力共同通過了AI基本法我們總統也在1月份也正式把它簽署完成你的報告裡面也都有提到在第6條有提到行政院要成立AI戰略特別委員會剛剛也有委員有問到 |
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那我們也非常關注這件事那因為這個您應該也在裡面扮演很重要的角色所以請問主委從去年底到現在四個月了這個委員會辦理的進度怎麼樣有沒有開會 |
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AI戰略委員會的規劃從總統公布以後我們就開始就進行了有沒有開會?有 左院長都主持會有開過幾次會?不是委員會 就是籌備的對 籌備會開過了幾次?什麼時候? |
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好多次了 這個算不清了我們發文請教你們的同仁AI基本法鎖定戰略小組織辦理進度是怎麼樣 機密不能分享嗎為什麼這個竟然說複製貼上完全把法條複製貼上 您看一下 |
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那幾次會議為什麼不能分享 這不是辦理進步嗎內部還在規劃會議有沒有會議記錄你說無數次的會有沒有會議記錄無數次是包含很多就碰面 傳個LINE也是無數次嗎不是啦 工作層級的會議因為這是跨部會的 我們有三政委的會議還有那個副院長主持的會議 院長主持的會議那能不能會後提供這些會議的日期記錄 可以嗎 |
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都提供出來可以嗎相關規劃過程我們做哪些事我們會提供那日期呢 會議記錄日期呢我們這個政務系統不是用LINE在開會沒有日期的吧哇 三政委什麼時候討論哇 我們現在在國會裡要問都沒有答案嗎幕僚傳來的訊息給我法條複製貼上 |
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我們一定會按照這個法在立法院通過的決議事項會辦理時程我們也會這樣所以提供資料好不好好不好因為主委我想其實非常簡單因為我們現在已經過了三分之一的時間法條裡面有提到一年內要開會嘛對吧認知嘛那我想卓院長一定也認為很需要那國客會是幕僚單位我想不要到時候卓院長要開會了 |
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幕僚作業還沒有完成這個我想不是我們希望看到的吧謝謝委員 只派國客會來做這個事誰 蛤謝謝委員啦欸 主委我想我們這個是一個民主制度我們立法院113位委員共同的完成第六條有沒有表決第六條有沒有表決第六條有沒有表決主委知道嗎我不知道 |
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第六條沒有表決啊第六條是共識啊所以是感謝委員們好不好感謝委員們不分黨派嘛所以我想這一點也是希望能夠持續關心那本席要在這裡特別提醒主委AI變化真的很快速啊剛剛我在台下聽有委員質詢說您的回應是什麼南部有一個新的算力中心是多少MW您可以再說一次目前第一階段建置5.15.1嘛那第二階段呢 |
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因為這要看後續的預算是嘛那我告訴您您應該知道現在在美國建算力工廠的單位是多少您知道嗎唉 |
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美國那麼大的國家他們服務的他們的市場那麼大我們國科會建的只是為了服務我們的學員但是我們會引起民間的投資所以民間投資主委 剛剛這個問題很科學啦美國的單位到底是多少啦Gigawatt對嘛Gigawatt是Megawatt的幾倍啊 |
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科學的問題不要不好意思我們要有自信嘛不是說不講就是沒有嘛來 主席GigaWatt是MegaWatt幾倍您停這麼久我想我們全國學員單位會覺得很憂心喔是幾倍GigaWatt是MegaWatt幾倍這個我大一的 |
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那個計算機概論對嘛所以我們要所以可以回答嘛是幾倍講那個沒有意義啊台灣不可能做這麼大的啊多幾倍嘛這個科學的問題我們在這裡不能回答嗎1024倍很好就是1000倍左右啦對不對1024不是10001024好1024那請問馬斯克剛成立的要做一個算力工廠的叫做什麼名字 |
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叫Terawatt又是GW的幾倍?我想也不用問啦,再1024倍嘛,對不對?所以我想主委,您剛剛說美國很大,晶片生產最多的地方是哪裡? |
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是哪裡 台灣嘛台灣嘛 對嘛 全世界先進製程最好的地方在這裡嘛沒有這些先進製程 他們有辦法蓋這些G瓦有辦法蓋這些T瓦嗎 沒辦法嘛 是吧 |
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所以我想主委有能力的人找解方沒能力的人找藉口我想在這裡我們在台灣我們要很驕傲的說出來我們也可以談GWR我們也可以談TIWA我們不一定要蓋在台灣啊我們可以跟人家合作啊 |
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是吧我們可以跟這些產業談好一些合作的機制這個其實就是我們期望在國家戰略委員會裡面要討論的因為我理解這很可能不是完全是主委的權責但是幕僚機構早一點推進我們可以從立法院的角度來說誒院長 |
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幕僚已經完成作業你怎麼還不召開可以理解嗎 主委我想我們的意識是一致的啦希望主委把這個事情放在心上那另外這個最近很紅啦 小龍蝦這個我們我很崇拜李鴻毅老師有一個解剖小龍蝦的影片主委有看過嗎 |
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你說影片 影片我沒看過這個陳副主委應該有看過李宏毅老師的影片我在這邊幫李宏毅老師廣告一下因為這部影片很長 大概兩個小時但他非常精準的拆解了最近的這個風潮Open Club這個風潮我想這一點為什麼我要問 |
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是因為有很多媒體或者是一些人會擔心這個agent很危險但是我們還是要講一個新的技術出來風險的觀測是正常的但是要看機會啦所以呢我們也希望國科會能夠早一點去討論這個agentic應用在科學科研這裡面的用途那也謝謝主委副主委都很認同啦這個副主委尤其一直點頭 |
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那我想要問那剛剛我們提到不管是OpenClock或者是這些AI Agent其實會需要消耗什麼AI Token請問主委知道AI Token是什麼嗎這運算的輸出啊 |
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運算的輸出的某一種計量的單位嘛或者一種概念啦那我想要請教主委說您支不支持科學研究去使用更多的AI工具跟AI的token支持啊支持嘛那我想我能不能提一個建議就是我們在延攬國外人才的時候啊 |
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我們能不能提供更多的AI Token來當作誘因為什麼因為全世界都知道台灣有很多晶片嘛沒有這些先進製成的晶片沒有AI Token可以產出也沒有辦法輸入對吧那我們能不能去評估台灣可以成為一個我們不一定有自己 |
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很多的Gigawatt、Terawatt的這個功能可是我們可不可以跟別人合作我可不可以跟別人談條件美國川普都可以說你要出口多少我要扣10%、扣20%我要入股這些比較激進的想法我們留給戰略委員會但是我們能不能去提供說第一個像國外的科技人才來台剛剛您提到嘛說什麼人口的問題啦我覺得這都不是問題我們能不能提供更多的AI Token |
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同時如果教授做研究有需要用到AI Token國科會能不能針對這些Token用得多用得好的教授我們給予多一點的補助跟支持這個沒問題 這個建議很好其實我們也是朝這個方向在走太好了 那一個月內可不可以提供相關的行動的可能性方案給我們參考 可以嗎 |
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好 那我們陳副主委好 這個我覺得大家都會非常認同的這也會是您的一個得證好不好那這個主席已經站起來讓我爭取一點點時間請問主委還有一件事剛剛我們都講英文AI Token請問Token這個詞在我們繁體中文你剛剛一直講主權AI嘛文化主權嘛請問繁體中文怎麼翻譯繁體中文怎麼翻譯我還沒有翻譯過 我還不曉得 |
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我想全國民眾看到這段重播都會非常難過啦我們行政單位不要把主權AI當成一個招牌名詞掛在頭上 |
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它比較接近應該是磁源因為它是用智源去生出來的東西但很不幸的磁源是中國政府公告的翻譯方式我們目前還沒有我們還沒有正式的翻譯是啊我們不是應該走在前面嗎台灣的晶片沒有這些晶片沒有這些Token的這些速度我們能不能我們主委作為AI的大家長我們能不能整理一下目前AI上面相關翻譯的問題不只是Token |
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663.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
691.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
還有非常多的什麼智慧體啦代理人啦相關的這些機制我想我們要有主權AI沒有這種文化性的定義不會有主權AI喔因為科學的進展很快啦科技的領域不見得能夠很即時的所有的名詞都有各種語言的翻譯不見得但是如果英文是通用的話像我們講AI也變通用啦大家都習以為常的話不會被誤解這樣應該是OK啦 |
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692.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
700.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
主委我想我們有能力的人我們來做事我們有能力的人來找解方我相信主委您是有能力的人對嗎 |
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701.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
725.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
當然如果token這個字已經用得非常頻繁那需要有中文的翻譯反正如果大家最後都習以為常我們產業上很不幸啦現在是在使用中國大陸的翻譯啦也許那不是最好的也許那個是我們可以接受的我們國客會可不可以有一個相關的定調啊可以嗎可不可以一個月夠不夠 |
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727.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
743.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
我們不能指定說這個詞應該怎麼翻啦因為這民間不見得會接受所以這個可能有個程序過去這種程序就是外語翻成中文的這個程序那關於這個程序可不可以提供一些演繹的結果啊 |
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745.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
769.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
我想这个真的是为了我们国内的科研一起在做事不好意思让主席这么麻烦我最后就希望说主委多协调一下我们战略特别委员会是一个很重要的平台提到了这个主旋的文化这种语汇的这种正式的翻译我也希望我们主委一起来努力还有包含科研的单位教授使用AI token的这些激励好不好好谢谢好谢谢好谢谢我们各位委员 |