| IVOD_ID |
168139 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168139 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T11:26:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T11:36:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106cf11d5dd2fc61cb88bad885c3c28ba2b2afe627a357cd2d7fbf58e434f61d1a005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:26:23 - 11:36:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「台馬 ECA生效後之經貿效益分析及台吐、台帛氣候防護合作成效」，併請經濟部、財政部、農業部列席，並備質詢。） |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請林部長部長好 本席在這邊也跟剛剛馬文君委員還有很多委員共同關心都一樣先講 我覺得很為我們外交部同仁報不平也為我們朝野委員在過去這段時間裡面 |
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大有為的政府告訴我們是說萊豬一定要進口如果沒有進口的話會有設定這個障礙沒有辦法加入CPTPP2021年那時候陳吉仲 王美花都跳出來講是說這個是一個很嚴重的障礙好 通過之後從2021年到現在2026年這四年多很多外交場合跟很多我們外交部的同仁我們只要接見或者是說出去參訪 |
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國際的議會的議員我們也都講啊外交部提供給我們委員的談餐也都講說拜託最後一定要寫一定要講請貴國政府支持我們中華民國加入CPTPP所以外交部我們委員不分朝野藍綠大家都希望能夠把握每一個機會發言甚至我剛剛也看到英國這兩天也有代表團來然後外交部長也有跟他們希望能夠加入CPTPP嘛 |
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對 九個國會議員那結果CPTPP主要推動主責的單位是誰行政院經貿談判辦公室那行政院經貿談判辦公室居然有我們一位高階的文官 嚴慧心女士她在最後 其實她的辭職信看完之後你真的覺得是說她是保留她最後文官的尊嚴一個 |
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高考及格在政府單位裡面做了幾十年的文官並且他的父親也是我們過去很資深的一個官結果到最後居然變成是說他要要辭職的時候他要把他的這些大白話給講出來然後講消極敷衍沒有具體的計畫沒有具體的時程外交部之前知道嗎 |
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我們外交部該做的我們都全力以赴所以外交部之前也不知道說經貿辦事處到底在幹嘛我們只知道是說只要面對到每一個國際單位面對到各國代表來我們都要講CPTPP到最後好像變成是西反社士嘛 |
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那但是外交部也不知道說經貿辦公室根本沒有具體的計畫經貿談判策略要有OTN所以看來部長你也不清楚嘛所以你也不用幫他們背書嘛但是看起來就是我覺得今天我一定要用這個機會再幫我們外交部同仁報部評應該主責負責的單位沒有具體的計畫沒有具體的時程沒有具體的成果敷衍消極然後我們其他人在前面衝 |
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不覺得很莫名其妙嗎 政府還是被一體打部長我們外交部啊 比如說派三個次長啊到達澳大利亞 日本跟英國去交涉因為這三個國家最重要嘛之前的主席國是加拿大 我們也全力在溝通可是我剛剛講說因為上位的談判策略啊因為這不是一般的經貿談判 因為涉及到政治因為中國的因素所以這個時候怎麼樣去 |
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所以我們只要講的是我們到目前為止都肯定我們外交部的同仁所以我講是說過去這四年我們朝野委員也都很努力你們給我們的談餐我幾乎都有留著每一次的最後一定都講尤其是我們日本的國會議員來最後一定都有一整頁寫說請拜託委員不分朝野藍綠都要跟日本的國會議員美國國會議員拜託他們支持中華民國加入CPTPP但是 |
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降帥無能累死三軍阿阿外交部現在也被累死阿來啦 阿現在遇到一個奧克蘭三人車走去突圍阿現在講你這邊可以掌握的狀況我們是也有一些進展啦那當然大戰略還是要整體阿是啊那現在就是沒有戰略阿所以消極敷衍嘛來 部長現在講你可以掌握的狀況啦駐美代表 |
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他2024年已經發生過一次爭議了那當時我記得外交國防委員會我們也有要求是說那他是不是回來這個每一年每半年這些代表其實也都有回國報告的狀況的時候能不能來外交國防委員會當時沒有讓他回來嘛 |
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那到現在2026年 因為那個遲號剛好正在進行一些我想對美...那沒關係 我覺得部長 我很持平地來看我對這個駐美代表完全不認識但我覺得空穴不來風還有以我對於民進黨政府說實在的話我們國人也一定程度了解如果今天這個駐美代表再被爆出說霸凌再被爆出說換20個傭人的這些事件 |
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如果說不是事實或說沒有事實基礎的話你們早就已經講說這個是中共的陰謀啦這是假訊息啦這是認知作戰啦但到目前為止沒有欸到目前為止沒有人講說這個不是事實欸你們只講說會再調查會再了解欸我覺得這很嚴重 為什麼部長我跟你很持平很客觀我們黨派不同但是很嚴重的是因為駐美代表代表我們中華民國 |
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他就是最重要的一個溝通管道如果說他在那邊天高皇帝遠作威作福然後吃香喝辣我覺得美國人也沒有辦法接受啊怎麼會中華民國你們派來一個官員是這個樣子那你不要跟我講說什麼過去這個美國傭人不好找那如果這樣的話蕭美琴駐美代表以前有換20個傭人嗎 |
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以前馬政府時代的時候最有名我們金補充代表有換20個傭人嗎沒有啊那一樣都是在北投那為什麼 因為那個都是網路跟媒體轉傳有待查證你看有待查證嘛你也不敢講不是假消息你也不敢講認知作戰嘛就是因為我太了解你們了嘛我們 |
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知道是好事我們說不算如果說今天真的沒有任何的事實基礎的話早就府 院 黨 青鳥 測疫 網軍全部出來講這個是認真作戰 這個是假消息不要陷入中共的陷阱但在這一次沒有而已經被爆第二次 |
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所以現在有媒體才講是說如果他現在沒有辦法短時間回來接受外交國防委員會接受立法院的質詢能不能用視訊能不能好好的請他也面對國內的媒體他自己出來否認自清反駁讓我們知道是說所有的外交同仁在國外也都是為我們中華民國努力捍衛而不是做威做福吃香喝辣有可能嗎 |
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可不可以下一次 我想如果說可以的話 召委絕對不會反對我們下一次就馬上就排外交國防委員會可不可以用視訊的方式來跟駐美代表來去做一個了解行嗎這可能要根據立法委員行使法還有有關於相關的規定部長你做過立法委員你算是我們立法院的學長 |
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你當時也是在野黨的委員如果說現在一個執政黨的駐美代表已經連兩次爆發這樣的事件那為什麼不是報駐日代表為什麼不是報駐泰代表為什麼不是報駐新代表那尤其美國又最重要 |
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其實報告委員 其實網路傳的這幾件事情以前都報過了只是現在把它又放在一起了當然我們還是要去釐清我們也鼓勵正式的申訴如果不放心 我個人的心想我現在是很無奈的笑因為你這樣講是什麼 死豬不怕開水燙 |
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了解 就已經報了 報第一次 大家重視2024年很重視 第二次 欸 第三次 欸 第四次啊沒關係啦 都報過了啦所以我成不成見也沒關係反正駐美代表天高皇帝遠啊那他想怎麼樣吃香喝辣那就我沒意見啊我部長都自己都在國內都不敢這樣子了結果一個駐美代表在那邊可以這樣然後傳的風風火火傳的真的就像是鉅細迷離也沒有辦法澄清也沒有辦法致親 |
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我不要冤枉任何人啊但現在連讓他自己面對媒體面對國人說明說他沒有這樣的事情也都不敢也都不肯也都不願意嗎 |
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不會說不願意啦應該是願意啦我想如果適當的方式人家外界的質疑說明那應該是要來說明部長你也很無奈嘛那方式我想就是說因為傳起來 那個也不是你的人嘛過去傳過啦當然有些是大家現在把它放在一起那我想委員或是有這個關切我們都應該要加以說明部長時間到但是我真的很與眾心長啦 |
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講這麼多我只想強調的是外交部的同仁我對外交部的同仁我其實有多一份的尊重跟多一份的 |
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包容是因為我國的外交處境都不容易但就正因為如此如果有任何人站在那麼重要的位置他可以在吃香喝辣可以這樣子用職務來霸凌然後只仗著說他是誰的人只仗著說他跟誰派系好然後誰都管不到我覺得這樣子真的是中華民國悲哀 |
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我也不樂見這樣的狀況那我更不希望是說讓媒體報導說好像變成是外交部長管不動一個駐美代表因為那個駐美代表老闆根本不是外交部長部長真的加油啦謝謝好 謝謝 |