| IVOD_ID |
168106 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168106 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T10:28:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T10:40:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106cb64bb53cb8ea36107570c8d4d2e9dc784047e563c2ae160926c4e24d5983e9f25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:28 - 10:40:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、衛生福利部、原住民族委員會就「穩定原住民族就業、改善低薪與勞動權益保障，並縮小職業災害發生率及死亡率差距之執行現況與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請勞動部、衛生福利部就「開放家有十二歲以下子女家庭逕行申請外籍家事移工政策，對本國勞工就業、照顧體系負擔、兒童最佳利益及相關權益保障之衝擊評估與制度配套」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請勞動部、衛生福利部、行政院、行政院人事行政總處、銓敘部、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、法務部，就「職場霸凌申訴機制之檢討：以顏慧欣案為例，如何建構員工心理健康與職場保障機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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重新宣告待會兒劉建國委員諮詢完畢後休息10分鐘好謝謝主席我請行政院副秘書長好請副秘書長好還有李建德次長李建德次長還有人事處的陳崑源好人事處我也好好 |
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副局長你是事務官事務官所以你是公務體系幾乎最高的嘛是那你對公務人員有沒有疼惜的心我們自己是公務體系的人員我們對公務人員當然會有疼惜的心你不要像政務官拍拍屁股就走人啦所以沒在插插你會怎麼樣來我今天要問的是我們公務人員的體檢一般有3500跟4500對不對 |
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那如果高強度的,譬如說錦霄、海巡、空巡、台鐵司機,這裡就不要講台鐵司機那這個就是一年一次,其他兩年一次嘛三千五到四千五啦,副院長你知不知道?知知,三千五要做什麼檢查?是要去量身高體重、抽抽血? |
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我的印象裡面這幾年我們已經人事總署這部分已經逐年逐年在調整我參考日本的公務體系他們是非常的嚴謹金額也很高體檢完之後如果有紅字有不正常的他們就會再追蹤 |
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那我們這邊是三千五、四千五,你自己找便宜,放股吃草然後人家Data出來,怎樣也不能追蹤我覺得這一塊比不上勞保我們勞動部在我們洪部長的這個柔韌之下我們就是事業單位大家都很怕病還有什麼職安護理師、職安什麼師什麼師 |
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貼圖出來又有問題 追耶 一直追所以我在想 我們這個國務卿館 每次都要死 哭要哭情緒吃雞 常常要用早餐 身體這樣 常常出事我覺得這個你們要好好的思考 至少參考日本一下嘛如果沒有就叫勞動部來幫我們支援嘛 |
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我覺得公務人員我沒有預測將來考公務人員高考的人會越來越少 |
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會越來越少你看看今年的大學那個第一階段現在已經可以收到84%今年要收的大學的入企新生他占了84%然後各位看到那些AI的電子的全部都在前面很高 |
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你做公務人員,有什麼將來想,我看這間公務人員,他們站到了,就要自己提撥,我看那個條件越來越差,那你自己當副秘書長,你就要想一下, |
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我們衛生部的理事長,你站在醫療界的角度,這樣一宗體檢,只做一個Low dose的CT就要4000塊,你用3000塊,你真的是要叫他去喝咖啡,增高體重量一量,抽抽血,敢要這樣而已,一些Straight check,一些心血管的check,你看我怎麼樣? |
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國務委員我其實我是來衛福部學習啦 也來委員學習嘛我是覺得 委員你所關心這個 我覺得是真的 我們公務人員真的這麼辛苦 我想這個都可以來研究啦 謝謝所有公務人員都是國家 國家是雇主是 沒錯那你用這種心態 應付應付的 然後一天到晚再出事 |
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尤其是精神上的壓力的好像今天太多人在講這個霸凌的事情一件接一件 |
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那都是精神壓力,那個比獅子的壓力還大所以我覺得我們行政單位還有我們行政院一定要做分別考量你最高的文官你可以,一年是一萬六嘛跟比照立委嘛,可以保留一年兩年一起做所以要做高檢要很實際的,很實際的真的是抓到重點不然的話對這些公務人員是不公平 |
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真的不公平,那我今天不講那個霸凌,霸凌講太多了,沒有意思啦,健康好不好,我看到太多的警察,心機更塞,我在屏東就看到好幾個,連屏東選舉委員會的主秘也是暴斃,猝死,怕死人 |
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所以我都說他們那是無形的壓力所以那如果又加上人委去跟他那個,那更不得了所以怎麼衛部跟人事總署這邊看看有沒有一個formula你要做基本的檢測做心血管的,做癌症指數的種種做金額要大幅提高我為了三千四、四千五,要找新人 |
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我們勞保的公司好像有的都加得很高,自己加嘛,這個是員工最大的資產嘛你們沒有把你們的員工當作資產,我覺得我一點都沒有感受到福民省,你不說兩句啊 |
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我們謝謝委員提醒了我們公務員健康檢查這個機制的相關問題這個議題對我們所有的公務員其實是非常重要的那我們原先的時候也是從零開始然後慢慢逐步逐步的建立 |
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那目前委員對於這個金額部分呢就是一般年齡還沒到了同仁的時候三千五、四千五這個金額的部分的時候那有所關心嘛那會後的話我們會把這個議題帶回去我們會請人事總署的時候跟有關機關一起來研議一下 |
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好,就是壓力檢查,stress check,再來就是吸血管,再來就是精神過勞,好不好研究一下,我會給各位來對,好謝謝,請回請回第二個提問我請部長,洪部長我前15分鐘,等一下啦,你去選館長 |
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來你現在這個12歲以下你跟美賴總統跟你的最原始的想法我想是不是因為我們台灣的女性的 |
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像我們醫院的夫妻都是臨床醫師啦像我辦公室的助理也是這樣啊他們都是雙薪所以我說你用這個12歲以下我覺得非常好啊非常好 |
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非常好 講三次你們的起心是怎麼樣 起心動念是怎麼樣 |
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其實這個政策當然它是我們也在面對現在的家庭結構跟過去其實不同所以過去的家庭的型態會有比較多長輩的後援那現在比較少那現在雙薪家庭也是主流所以我們最大的政策的目的就是希望能夠讓很多的雙薪家庭勞工朋友其實可以安心的工作然後家庭可以減壓這是最重要的 |
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像我們醫院有 我講一個例子 夫妻都是臨床醫師然後一個小孩是七歲 一個是三歲那早上就會送到學校 國小一個 國小一個在小班下午下課 完蛋了 幾位狗跳 沒有人去接孩子 |
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所以就請家庭的幫傭,就是下午來上班接小孩然後給他準備晚餐,然後家裡的一些幫傭的事情事實上他們沒有在照顧小孩,他們是把他接回來,先去洗洗,看一會兒回家然後爸爸媽媽有可能七點八點,有可能九點才回來 |
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因為有時候要開刀啊什麼的所以這個他找台灣的這個幫傭不好找耶在高雄要很貴耶夜間比較尤其是晚上特別困難到爸爸媽媽回來之後他就下班了對 晚上的部分特別難找什麼四點到八點多九點那所以這個幫傭外籍幫傭進來我覺得是非常非常有需要 |
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那你以前是六歲以下三個,那不可能的事啦太不可能六歲以下生三個,那不少的太不可能,所以你現在這個,那是很好而且現在外籍的移工,大家都在搶人條件要過好唯一的就是一個要繳五千塊的救安基金,先過啦 |
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這個救安費當然原本就是五千塊啦但是我們有針對如果特殊家庭或者是家長有身障那或者是家裡的照顧需求特別高的比方說小孩如果有兩個小孩其中一個是六歲以下的話都可以把五千塊降到兩千塊那不是有殘障的有什麼有問題的啦 |
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對,就是說家長單親或者是生長,假設有生長的話那他可能特別辛苦,我們也希望降低他的負擔,把他的救援費減下來我覺得如果家庭很辛苦的,或者是有真的殘障的,是不是不收也可以啦兩千塊,你是要兩千塊,老人家不聽好話,家大業大 |
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661.503 |
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我報告也是一書一書啊我們大概都會有一個這個分層次的市長你聽到沒有 |
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662.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
688.321 |
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對啊,殘障還要再加一些,不要讓人太大壓力了這個大家都在為主席,大家都在打拚尤其我們女性的勞動力,我再講一次素質都很高、學歷都很高、能力都很強這些人就綁在家裡,我是覺得可惜啦所以這個來補充,而且是真的有需要所以你這個政策我給你肯定 |
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690.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
694.569 |
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在野黨肯定你 你要拍手加油 謝謝好 謝謝蘇清泉委員 |