| IVOD_ID |
168106 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168106 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-26-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T10:28:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T10:40:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:38 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106cb64bb53cb8ea36107570c8d4d2e9dc784047e563c2ae160926c4e24d5983e9f25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:28 - 10:40:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、衛生福利部、原住民族委員會就「穩定原住民族就業、改善低薪與勞動權益保障，並縮小職業災害發生率及死亡率差距之執行現況與精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請勞動部、衛生福利部就「開放家有十二歲以下子女家庭逕行申請外籍家事移工政策，對本國勞工就業、照顧體系負擔、兒童最佳利益及相關權益保障之衝擊評估與制度配套」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
邀請勞動部、衛生福利部、行政院、行政院人事行政總處、銓敘部、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、法務部，就「職場霸凌申訴機制之檢討：以顏慧欣案為例，如何建構員工心理健康與職場保障機制」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
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重新宣告待會兒劉建國委員諮詢完畢後休息10分鐘好謝謝主席我請行政院副秘書長好請副秘書長好還有李建德次長李建德次長還有人事處的陳崑源好人事處我也好好 |
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副局長你是事務官事務官所以你是公務體系幾乎最高的嘛是那你對公務人員有沒有疼惜的心我們自己是公務體系的人員我們對公務人員當然會有疼惜的心你不要像政務官拍拍屁股就走人啦所以沒在插插你會怎麼樣來我今天要問的是我們公務人員的體檢一般有3500跟4500對不對 |
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那如果高強度的,譬如說錦霄、海巡、空巡、台鐵司機,這裡就不要講台鐵司機那這個就是一年一次,其他兩年一次嘛三千五到四千五啦,副院長你知不知道?知知,三千五要做什麼檢查?是要去量身高體重、抽抽血? |
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我的印象裡面這幾年我們已經人事總署這部分已經逐年逐年在調整我參考日本的公務體系他們是非常的嚴謹金額也很高體檢完之後如果有紅字有不正常的他們就會再追蹤 |
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那我們這邊是三千五、四千五,你自己找便宜,放股吃草然後人家Data出來,怎樣也不能追蹤我覺得這一塊比不上勞保我們勞動部在我們洪部長的這個柔韌之下我們就是事業單位大家都很怕病還有什麼職安護理師、職安什麼師什麼師 |
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貼圖出來又有問題 追耶 一直追所以我在想 我們這個國務卿館 每次都要死 哭要哭情緒吃雞 常常要用早餐 身體這樣 常常出事我覺得這個你們要好好的思考 至少參考日本一下嘛如果沒有就叫勞動部來幫我們支援嘛 |
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我覺得公務人員我沒有預測將來考公務人員高考的人會越來越少 |
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會越來越少你看看今年的大學那個第一階段現在已經可以收到84%今年要收的大學的入企新生他占了84%然後各位看到那些AI的電子的全部都在前面很高 |
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你做公務人員,有什麼將來想,我看這間公務人員,他們站到了,就要自己提撥,我看那個條件越來越差,那你自己當副秘書長,你就要想一下, |
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我們衛生部的理事長,你站在醫療界的角度,這樣一宗體檢,只做一個Low dose的CT就要4000塊,你用3000塊,你真的是要叫他去喝咖啡,增高體重量一量,抽抽血,敢要這樣而已,一些Straight check,一些心血管的check,你看我怎麼樣? |
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國務委員我其實我是來衛福部學習啦 也來委員學習嘛我是覺得 委員你所關心這個 我覺得是真的 我們公務人員真的這麼辛苦 我想這個都可以來研究啦 謝謝所有公務人員都是國家 國家是雇主是 沒錯那你用這種心態 應付應付的 然後一天到晚再出事 |
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尤其是精神上的壓力的好像今天太多人在講這個霸凌的事情一件接一件 |
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那都是精神壓力,那個比獅子的壓力還大所以我覺得我們行政單位還有我們行政院一定要做分別考量你最高的文官你可以,一年是一萬六嘛跟比照立委嘛,可以保留一年兩年一起做所以要做高檢要很實際的,很實際的真的是抓到重點不然的話對這些公務人員是不公平 |
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真的不公平,那我今天不講那個霸凌,霸凌講太多了,沒有意思啦,健康好不好,我看到太多的警察,心機更塞,我在屏東就看到好幾個,連屏東選舉委員會的主秘也是暴斃,猝死,怕死人 |
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所以我都說他們那是無形的壓力所以那如果又加上人委去跟他那個,那更不得了所以怎麼衛部跟人事總署這邊看看有沒有一個formula你要做基本的檢測做心血管的,做癌症指數的種種做金額要大幅提高我為了三千四、四千五,要找新人 |
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我們勞保的公司好像有的都加得很高,自己加嘛,這個是員工最大的資產嘛你們沒有把你們的員工當作資產,我覺得我一點都沒有感受到福民省,你不說兩句啊 |
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我們謝謝委員提醒了我們公務員健康檢查這個機制的相關問題這個議題對我們所有的公務員其實是非常重要的那我們原先的時候也是從零開始然後慢慢逐步逐步的建立 |
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那目前委員對於這個金額部分呢就是一般年齡還沒到了同仁的時候三千五、四千五這個金額的部分的時候那有所關心嘛那會後的話我們會把這個議題帶回去我們會請人事總署的時候跟有關機關一起來研議一下 |
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好,就是壓力檢查,stress check,再來就是吸血管,再來就是精神過勞,好不好研究一下,我會給各位來對,好謝謝,請回請回第二個提問我請部長,洪部長我前15分鐘,等一下啦,你去選館長 |
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來你現在這個12歲以下你跟美賴總統跟你的最原始的想法我想是不是因為我們台灣的女性的 |
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像我們醫院的夫妻都是臨床醫師啦像我辦公室的助理也是這樣啊他們都是雙薪所以我說你用這個12歲以下我覺得非常好啊非常好 |
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非常好 講三次你們的起心是怎麼樣 起心動念是怎麼樣 |
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其實這個政策當然它是我們也在面對現在的家庭結構跟過去其實不同所以過去的家庭的型態會有比較多長輩的後援那現在比較少那現在雙薪家庭也是主流所以我們最大的政策的目的就是希望能夠讓很多的雙薪家庭勞工朋友其實可以安心的工作然後家庭可以減壓這是最重要的 |
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像我們醫院有 我講一個例子 夫妻都是臨床醫師然後一個小孩是七歲 一個是三歲那早上就會送到學校 國小一個 國小一個在小班下午下課 完蛋了 幾位狗跳 沒有人去接孩子 |
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所以就請家庭的幫傭,就是下午來上班接小孩然後給他準備晚餐,然後家裡的一些幫傭的事情事實上他們沒有在照顧小孩,他們是把他接回來,先去洗洗,看一會兒回家然後爸爸媽媽有可能七點八點,有可能九點才回來 |
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因為有時候要開刀啊什麼的所以這個他找台灣的這個幫傭不好找耶在高雄要很貴耶夜間比較尤其是晚上特別困難到爸爸媽媽回來之後他就下班了對 晚上的部分特別難找什麼四點到八點多九點那所以這個幫傭外籍幫傭進來我覺得是非常非常有需要 |
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那你以前是六歲以下三個,那不可能的事啦太不可能六歲以下生三個,那不少的太不可能,所以你現在這個,那是很好而且現在外籍的移工,大家都在搶人條件要過好唯一的就是一個要繳五千塊的救安基金,先過啦 |
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這個救安費當然原本就是五千塊啦但是我們有針對如果特殊家庭或者是家長有身障那或者是家裡的照顧需求特別高的比方說小孩如果有兩個小孩其中一個是六歲以下的話都可以把五千塊降到兩千塊那不是有殘障的有什麼有問題的啦 |
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對,就是說家長單親或者是生長,假設有生長的話那他可能特別辛苦,我們也希望降低他的負擔,把他的救援費減下來我覺得如果家庭很辛苦的,或者是有真的殘障的,是不是不收也可以啦兩千塊,你是要兩千塊,老人家不聽好話,家大業大 |
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我報告也是一書一書啊我們大概都會有一個這個分層次的市長你聽到沒有 |
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對啊,殘障還要再加一些,不要讓人太大壓力了這個大家都在為主席,大家都在打拚尤其我們女性的勞動力,我再講一次素質都很高、學歷都很高、能力都很強這些人就綁在家裡,我是覺得可惜啦所以這個來補充,而且是真的有需要所以你這個政策我給你肯定 |
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690.663 |
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在野黨肯定你 你要拍手加油 謝謝好 謝謝蘇清泉委員 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:37.014000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:40.398000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，請行政院副秘書長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:40.398000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:42.019000+08:00 |
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好，請副秘書長。 |
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1 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:42.160000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:44.001000+08:00 |
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還有呂建德次長。 |
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0.857 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:44.182000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:45.623000+08:00 |
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請呂建德次長。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:45.623000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:47.485000+08:00 |
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還有人事處陳焜元。 |
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主席 |
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請人事處。 |
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0.75 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:52.190000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:52.190000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0.333 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:54.864000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:56.925000+08:00 |
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副秘書長，你是事務官？ |
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0.778 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:57.265000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:57.505000+08:00 |
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事務官。 |
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1 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:28:58.306000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:00.907000+08:00 |
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所以你是公務體系幾乎最高的事務官嘛？是。 |
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0.833 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:02.087000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-01T10:29:04.448000+08:00 |
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你對公務人員有沒有疼惜的心？ |
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1 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:06.129000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:10.031000+08:00 |
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我們自己是公務體系的人員，我們對公務人員當然會有疼惜的心啊！ |
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0.964 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:10.671000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-01T10:29:12.652000+08:00 |
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你不要像政務官拍拍屁股就走人了！ |
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0.933 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-01T10:29:15.753000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-01T10:29:16.654000+08:00 |
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也不管下面的人會怎麼樣。 |
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0.364 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:16.654000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:21.936000+08:00 |
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我今天要問的是我們公務人員的體檢補助，一般有3,500跟4,500，對不對？ |
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0.852 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:26.646000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:38.032000+08:00 |
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如果是比較高強度的，譬如說警消、海巡、空勤、臺鐵司機，這裡不要講臺鐵司機，就是一年一次，其他是兩年一次。 |
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0.841 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:42.234000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:46.677000+08:00 |
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副秘書長，你知不知道金額只有3,500到4,500？知道。 |
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0.444 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:47.477000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:29:48.017000+08:00 |
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才3,500可以做什麼檢查？ |
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0.556 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-01T10:29:48.518000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-01T10:29:51.600000+08:00 |
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是要去那邊量身高、體重、抽血而已嗎？ |
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0.667 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-01T10:29:53.588000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-01T10:29:59.592000+08:00 |
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在我的印象裡面，這幾年人事行政總處對這個部分已經有逐年調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:30:00.692000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:30:15.601000+08:00 |
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我有參考日本的公務體系，他們非常嚴謹，金額也很高，在體檢之後如果有紅字、不正常的，他們就會再追蹤。 |
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0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:30:17.242000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:30:28.871000+08:00 |
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我們這邊是補助3,500、4,500，你自己去找醫院，就是放牛吃草，data出來是怎麼樣也沒人在追蹤。 |
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0.579 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:30:28.871000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:30:48.111000+08:00 |
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我覺得這一塊比不上勞保，勞動部在洪部長的蹂躪之下，事業單位大家都很努力，還有職安護理師等等，在data出來如果有問題就會一直追。 |
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0.746 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:30:49.071000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:31:05.576000+08:00 |
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所以我在想這些公務人員讀書、考試都累到快死了，薪水這麼低，又會被人糟蹋，身體常常出問題，我是覺得你們要好好思考，至少參考日本的做法嘛！ |
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0.517 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-01T10:31:07.557000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-01T10:31:08.117000+08:00 |
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不然就叫勞動部來指導你們，我是說真的，我不是亂說。 |
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0.318 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
洪部長申翰 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-01T10:31:08.117000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-01T10:31:10.818000+08:00 |
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你不要害我就好了！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-01T10:31:10.818000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-01T10:32:02.028000+08:00 |
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我覺得對公務人員如果沒有比較好的話，預測將來參加公務人員高考的人會越來越少，你看看今年大學申請入學第一階段篩選通過的比率是84%，各位可以看到跟AI相關的電子科系全部都在前面，分數很高，你當公務人員也沒什麼將來性，最近公務人員拿到的薪水還要再自己提撥，我看到那個條件越來越差，你身為副秘書長，你就要思考一下。 |
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0.655 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-01T10:32:04.114000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-01T10:32:13.722000+08:00 |
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衛福部呂次長，站在醫療界的角度，這種體檢光是做一個low-dose CT就要4,000元，你們只有補助3,500元，你真的要他在那邊喝咖啡，身高體重量一量、抽抽血，難道真的要這樣而已嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-01T10:32:13.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-01T10:32:18.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
還有一些stress check、心血管check，你的看法怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
呂次長建德 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-01T10:32:30.971000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:32:45.700000+08:00 |
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報告委員，其實我是來衛福部學習，也向委員學習，對於委員所關心的這部分，我覺得我們的公務人員真的很辛苦，這些議題都可以再來研究，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-01T10:32:45.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-01T10:32:49.182000+08:00 |
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國家是所有公務人員的雇主。沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-01T10:32:49.623000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:33:13.780000+08:00 |
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如果你用這種心態來應付，一天到晚在出事，尤其是精神上的壓力，今天太多人在講霸凌的事情，一件接一件，那都是精神壓力，比實質的壓力還大，所以我覺得行政單位還有行政院一定要從這方面來考量。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-01T10:33:14.900000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:33:31.327000+08:00 |
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最高文官一年補助1萬6，比照立委，可以保留一年，兩年一起做，所以可以做比較高階，你們要很實際真的抓到重點，不然對於這些公務人員是不公平的，真的很不公平。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-01T10:33:32.027000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:33:51.383000+08:00 |
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我今天不講霸凌，霸凌講太多了沒有意思，我講健康，我看過太多警察心肌梗塞，我在屏東就看到好幾個因為這樣過世，連屏東選舉委員會的主秘也是暴斃、猝死，嚇死人了！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-01T10:33:52.924000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:33:58.906000+08:00 |
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所以我都說他們那是無形的壓力，如果又加上有人為因素就更不得了。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-01T10:34:01.706000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:34:16.530000+08:00 |
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衛福部和人事總處看看有沒有一個formula，可以幫他們做基本檢查，包括心血管、癌症指數檢查統統都要做，而且金額要大幅提高，不能只有3,400、4,400、4,500元的檢查，笑死人了！ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.542 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-01T10:34:21.103000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-01T10:34:33.615000+08:00 |
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我們勞保的公司行號有的都加得很高，甚至自己加碼，因為員工就是最大的資產，你們有沒有把你們的員工當作資產？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
蘇委員清泉 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-01T10:34:33.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-01T10:34:38.559000+08:00 |
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我覺得我一點都沒有感受到，副秘書長，你不說兩句嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.773 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-01T10:34:42.496000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-01T10:35:16.025000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員提醒我們公務人員健康檢查機制的相關問題，這個議題對所有的公務人員其實是非常重要的，我們原先也是從零開始，然後慢慢逐步建立機制，關於金額部分，一般年齡還沒到的同仁是補助3,500、4,500元，委員對於金額部分有所關心，會後我們會把這個議題帶回去，請人事總處及有關機關一起來研議。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:35:17.386000+08:00 |
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好，就是壓力檢查（stress check）、心血管、精神過勞，你們研究一下，我後續還要追縱，好不好？好。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:35:27.714000+08:00 |
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謝謝，請回。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:35:28.214000+08:00 |
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第二個題目我請洪部長。 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-01T10:35:29.075000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:35:46.770000+08:00 |
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蘇委員好。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:35:46.770000+08:00 |
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現在針對12歲兒童以下的家庭，你與賴總統最原始的想法，是不是因為我們臺灣的女性同仁素質都很高，能力又很強，所以我們的勞動市場需要這些人才，像我們醫院有夫妻都是臨床醫師、像我辦公室的助理也是這樣，他們都是雙薪，所以你們這個針對12歲以下兒童的政策，我覺得非常好、非常好、非常好，我要講三次，你們的起心動念是怎麼樣？ |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-01T10:36:32.721000+08:00 |
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其實這個政策是我們在面對現在的家庭結構跟過去的不同，過去的家庭型態會有比較多長輩的後援，現在比較少，現在雙薪家庭也是主流，所以我們最大的政策目的就是希望能夠讓很多雙薪家庭勞工朋友可以安心工作，家庭可以減壓，這是最重要的目的。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:36:56.787000+08:00 |
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我講一個例子，像我們醫院有夫妻都是臨床醫師，他們有一個小孩是7歲、一個是3歲，他們早上會送到學校，一個國小、一個小班，但是下午下課就完蛋了、雞飛狗跳，因為沒有人能夠去接小孩，所以他們就聘請家庭幫傭，下午來上班、接小孩、幫他們準備晚餐，還有家裡一些幫傭的事情，事實上，他們沒有在照顧小孩，就是把他們接回來，幫他們洗完澡，再煮一餐給他們吃，爸爸媽媽有可能7點、8點，也有可能9點才回來，因為有時候要開刀，但是他要找臺灣的幫傭不好找，在高雄那邊很貴又找不到。 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-01T10:37:54.415000+08:00 |
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尤其是晚上特別困難。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:37:55.996000+08:00 |
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到爸爸媽媽回來以後，他就下班了。 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:00.838000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:02.598000+08:00 |
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所以我說晚上的部分特別難找。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:03.559000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:22.258000+08:00 |
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差不多4點到八點多、9點，所以外籍幫傭的引進，我覺得是非常有需要的，以前的規定是要有3個6歲以下的小孩，那是不可能的事情，哪有可能6歲以下生3個，又不是瘋子，哪有可能？ |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:22.799000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:34.190000+08:00 |
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所以現在這個政策很好，而且現在大家都在搶外籍移工，條件也要夠好，唯一就是一個月要繳5,000塊就安基金，太貴了啦！ |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:37.388000+08:00 |
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就安費原本就是5,000塊，但是我們有針對特殊家庭，或者是家長有身障或者是家裡的照顧需求特別高的，比方，如果有兩個小孩，其中一個是6歲以下的話，都可以把5,000塊降到2,000塊，我們有這樣的設計。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:54.637000+08:00 |
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這是針對身障或有問題的。 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-01T10:38:58.879000+08:00 |
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對，就是有特殊需求或單親、身障，他可能會特別辛苦，我們也希望降低他的負擔，所以把他的就安費減下來。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:39:11.082000+08:00 |
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我覺得如果這個家庭很辛苦，或者是家裡有真的殘障的，其實不收這2,000塊也可以，勞動部這麼有錢，家大業大，意思意思收個500塊也可以。 |
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洪部長申翰 |
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2026-04-01T10:39:25.695000+08:00 |
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2026-04-01T10:39:29.002000+08:00 |
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我們會有一個分層次的思考。 |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:39:29.282000+08:00 |
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部長，你有沒有聽到？ |
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蘇委員清泉 |
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2026-04-01T10:39:30.987000+08:00 |
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針對殘障的要再降低一點，不要給人太大的壓力，大家都在為臺灣打拚，尤其是女性勞動力，我再講一次，素質都很高、學歷都很高、能力都很強，這些人被綁在家裡，我覺得可惜，所以這些人力可以來補充，而且是真的有需要，你這個政策我給你肯定、在野黨肯定你，你要拍手，加油！謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-01T10:40:02.289000+08:00 |
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謝謝蘇清泉委員。 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-01T10:40:03.069000+08:00 |
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接下來請劉建國委員質詢。 |
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