| IVOD_ID |
168090 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168090 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T10:19:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T10:28:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106c3f85e5cbb5e8675b331a35e1dda586ae4047e563c2ae1609a488f48b86ec085f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:19:22 - 10:28:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部部長就「能源轉型政策下我國產業發展布局，及中東衝突與全球能源供應鏈重組對能源安全之影響與因應策略」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員及經濟部部長就「AI浪潮下台灣傳統製造產業競爭力強化及扶助政策規劃與執行情形」進行報告，並備質詢。【4月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
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何次長晉滄 |
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何次長晉滄 |
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首先有請我們國安會業主委還有我們經濟部的副部長委員長 |
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首先我請教一下尤其國發會的主委跟我們經濟部的何次長 |
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你覺得美伊跟伊朗的戰爭這個是能源戰整個現在打得很激烈你覺得這樣的問題會持續多久不要隨便回答你是我們經濟計畫最主要的一個規劃者經濟不是只要在執行者 |
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你的看法怎麼樣?依照美國智庫的預估啦這個比較有可能的情況是會打四周到八周所以從二月底這樣推算回來應該在四月底之前這是機率比較高這是美國的智庫預估的 |
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但是整個世界都變化,現在誰也不能掌控誰,誰也不能掌控別人我覺得這個戰爭可能會持續很久美國資格講四到八座好像他們答應如果從其他的群來看的話,這場仗打起來是會天翻地覆的那我現在你們不能講四到八座,你要有長遠的規劃 |
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萬一我們的天然氣如果能不能在別的地方能繼續的採購現在每一條船幾乎都增加了10億萬一這個世界一直在動盪不安在持續亂下來我們的對岸把你封鎖起來你要怎麼辦所以做任何事情你要想要做到一個最壞的打算 |
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我們現在抱得很平安但是這裡面牽扯很大你一定要做到最壞的狀況會成什麼樣子但是我們都會再做滾動式的調整不會說因為這樣子我們就放棄了後面的規劃對 當然要準備 |
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你說都要採購油鹽有沒有很薄如果那邊繼續下來整個都封掉了包括沙烏地那整個整個油漆都會被打掉生產肌肉都會被打掉看起來現在的局勢是這樣經濟部的資料告訴我們就是說五月底之前LNG是沒問題 |
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那六月的話也大部分都已經到位大概只剩下六七三還沒有還沒有但這個都持都持續在補充當中那我們會隨著整個局勢的變化做滾動式的調整要為臺灣的能源做好最大的一個準備是萬一能源斷了臺灣的命脈我大概會說你們要好好努力好好加油謝謝委員那第二個問題我要請教 |
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現在剛剛那個中委員提到那上次我請教我們經濟部長所有石化的產品都在漲價都買不到貨那我們的鞏部長說買不到貨不可能我問他如果苗栗的工廠買不到貨我跟他調他說好沒有問題但是這樣的情形已經在發生 |
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這個發生了又要通貨膨脹所以控制不了因為你來源稀少你缺貨這是我們要面臨的問題所以在這一方面我們要如何來應對要來準備假如委員有知道哪一家廠商掉不到貨的話可以請經濟部我還沒我是在高鐵上兩三家碰到我做售銷的我跟您報告一下因為最主要我們是要讓這個他講的台塑那個是真的 |
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你不要以為假的喔是以前廠商都跟我們講暫停報價暫停停貨4月以後才報價所以我們現在當務之急就是說第一個確保生產不會斷貨斷料那所以台塑今天中油已經啟動了四清的一個運作那今天開始這個月會增加1.9萬 |
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噸的這個乙烯那下個月會增加變三萬噸所以這樣的一個供給量他會優先供給給做塑膠袋做衣材的這個廠商來加速這個生產我要接到一個消息現在我們啊公家單位在鋪柏油路的也要斷貨了都是停止不報價了不報價了那很多道路都鋪到一半都停下來啊是 |
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這個人都要特別注意的一個現象那個綠圈大概以前都是進口啦那現在這都是從中東伊朗進口那個比較便宜啦現在整個所以你們要掌握整個狀況要有聯合的應用好不好還有剛剛講到10年10年4月1號宣布它的石油它的油氣不出口 |
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全部擋下來所以我們面臨的危機跟美國我們能不能買得到跟澳洲能不能買得到大家都在搶貨這個要特別注意一下我希望這個要好好做應用的設施 |
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再來談到AIAI的話真的是百功百業我希望國發會我們的經濟部跟社會部要去分工你要如何去分工?因為這就叫學習要成長要跟人一樣當然現在人的機器人還有很多零件不能像人這樣的靈活那腦力的方面這邊大概沒有問題 |
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現在就是在你的視覺、在你視覺、在你手腳的應用要自行判斷所以百工百業每一個人在學習的環境不一樣尤其我們前端的話包括設計那些我們困難但是我們在製造方面專長但是我們最重要一塊就是說皮子電焊業 |
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你要設計一個模型啊那個譬如水泥工要什麼模型都要設計出來以後才會有成效那我一直強調一件事情要學習的熱場那要應用AI最重要要會問問題 |
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問問題才能去得到一個正確的答案所以如果學習這場像電視台那些名字叫他們不要亂講你要播一段時間政府播一段時間講AI的重要讓全民去學習那都是亂講話啦 |
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我們是講真的話在立法會我們都很清楚你大王他這樣現在很多人在看他這樣看他越新鮮越好越刺激越好但是都說一些無所謂我是指到說你們強制每一個電視台每一個名嘴在那個廣播的節目請大家學習AI增強台灣未來的競爭力讓大家曉得這個事情的重要你們在說 |
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有做生意的人做產業的人有了解但是很多不曉得怎樣去施力因為這都有技術老師的經驗也不交給你第二交給你以後給AI人來做他的職位又要被替代了這個人性的問題在這邊要如何去突破要如何這樣子台灣每一個人有學習AI的這種熱場因為這是未來的一個戰略非常非常的重要 |
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白宮白夜市在經濟部那邊把他分門白列找一家公司專門研究他怎樣做蛋糕怎樣去那個都是要學習的一個過程把他思考裡面才會應用得當 |
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每一個大的變化裡面在推動都非常困難但是我們一定要持之有百工百業把它分類一下大概有幾個行業有那一種模型可以來做然後做出來大家能通用個人的技術個人的know-how他把它輸到裡面就可以去改變了好不好好謝謝謝謝市長、議員 |
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主席，首先請國發會葉主委及經濟部何次長。 |
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主席 |
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請國發會葉主委及經濟部何次長。 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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委員早。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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首先，我請教一下，尤其國發會主委跟經濟部何次長。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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你覺得美、以跟伊朗的戰爭……這個是能源戰，現在整個打得很激烈，你覺得這樣的問題會持續多久，不要隨便回答……不會。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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你是我們的經濟計畫最主要的規劃者，經濟部是主要的執行者，你的看法怎麼樣？ |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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依照美國智庫的預估，比較有可能的情況是會打4週到8週，所以從2月底這樣推算回來，應該在4月底之前機率比較高，這是美國的智庫預估的。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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但是整個世界都在變化，現在誰也不能掌控誰，誰也不能掌控別人，我覺得這個戰爭可能會持續很久，美國智庫講4到8週，好像他們打贏，如果從其他的層面看的話，這場戰打起來是會天翻地覆的。 |
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現在你們不能講4到8週，你要有長遠的規劃，我們的天然氣能不能在別的地方繼續採購？ |
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現在每一條船幾乎都增加了10億，萬一世界一直在動盪不安，持續混亂，我們的對岸把你封鎖起來，要怎麼辦？ |
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陳委員超明 |
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所以做任何事情，你要想到一個最壞的打算，你們現在報得很平安，但是這裡面牽扯很大…… |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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沒有、沒有…… |
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陳委員超明 |
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你一定要做最壞的打算…… |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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1 |
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有、有、有…… |
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陳委員超明 |
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最後會成為什麼樣子。 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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我們都會再做滾動式的調整，不會因為這樣子我們就放棄了後面的規劃，不會、不會…… |
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陳委員超明 |
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對、對、對，當然要準備。 |
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葉主任委員俊顯 |
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都有滾動式的調整。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-01T10:21:49.393000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-01T10:21:51.816000+08:00 |
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你說對外採購的油源，有沒有很有把握？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.562 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-01T10:21:52.777000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-01T10:22:05.512000+08:00 |
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如果那邊狙擊下來，整個都封掉了，包括紅海、包括沙烏地，整個油區都會被打掉，看起來現在的局勢是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-01T10:22:05.512000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-01T10:22:21.106000+08:00 |
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經濟部的資料告訴我們，5月底之前LNG是沒問題，6月的也大部分都已經到位，大概只剩下6、7艘還沒有……但這個都持續在補充當中，我們會隨著整個局勢的變化做滾動式的調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-01T10:22:21.307000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-01T10:22:31.556000+08:00 |
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好，要為臺灣的能源做好最大的準備，萬一能源斷了，臺灣的命脈大概也……你們要好好努力、好好加油。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-01T10:22:31.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-01T10:22:31.976000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-01T10:22:32.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-01T10:22:45.828000+08:00 |
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第二個問題我要請教，剛剛鍾委員有提到，上次我也有請教經濟部部長，所有的石化產品都在漲價，都買不到貨。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-01T10:22:47.310000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-01T10:22:56.898000+08:00 |
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龔部長說不可能買不到貨，我問他，如果苗栗的工廠買不到貨，我跟他調，他說好，沒有問題！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-01T10:22:56.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:09.288000+08:00 |
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但是這樣的情形已經在發生，發生了以後造成通貨膨脹，所以控制不了，因為來源稀少，缺貨是我們要面臨的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:09.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:14.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
所以在這一方面，我們要如何應對及準備？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:14.731000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:18.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
假如委員知道哪一家廠商調不到貨的話，可以請經濟部…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:19.535000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:22.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
還沒，我是在高鐵上碰到兩、三家做塑膠的，都跟我表達不滿。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:23.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:24.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
委員，我跟您報告一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:24.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:25.959000+08:00 |
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因為最主要我們是要讓國內的…… |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:25.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:30.281000+08:00 |
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他講的台塑部分是真的，你不要以為是假的喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:30.281000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:31.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
對，是，我們國內的來源能夠穩定。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.077 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:31.802000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-01T10:23:35.942000+08:00 |
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是廠商已經都跟我們講暫停報價、暫時停貨，4月1日才報價。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.783 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
何次長晉滄：我們現在當務之急就是 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-01T10:23:39.203000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:08.996000+08:00 |
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第一個，確保生產不會斷貨、斷料，所以中油已經啟動四輕的運作，今天開始，這個月會增加1.9萬噸乙烯，下個月會增加，變3萬噸，這樣的供給量會優先供給做塑膠袋、做醫材的廠商來加速生產，調節產能…… |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:08.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:25.568000+08:00 |
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我又接到一個消息，現在公家單位在鋪柏油路的也要斷貨了，都是停止，不報價了，很多道路鋪到一半都停下來，這個是農路要特別注意的一個現象。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:27.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:29.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
瀝青大概以前都是進口啦…… |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:29.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:30.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
對，大部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:30.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:33.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
都是從中東、伊朗進口比較便宜。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:33.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:36.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
對，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:36.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:40.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
所以你們要掌握整個狀況，要靈活的運用，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:40.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:42.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
是，了解，好。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:42.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:54.263000+08:00 |
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還有剛剛講到俄羅斯，俄羅斯4月1號宣布他的石油、他的油氣不出口了，全部擋下來，所以我們面臨的危機是跟美國我們能不能買得到？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.815 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:54.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:56.403000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
跟澳洲能不能買得到？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-01T10:24:56.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-01T10:24:59.904000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
大家都在搶貨，這個也要特別注意一下。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-01T10:25:00.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-01T10:25:03.345000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我希望這個部分要好好做因應的措施。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-01T10:25:05.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-01T10:25:17.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
再來談到AI，AI真的是百工百業……我希望國發會、經濟部跟數位部要分工，你要如何去分工？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-01T10:25:17.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-01T10:26:01.141000+08:00 |
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因為這個的學習、成長要跟人一樣，當然現在的人型機器人，還有很多零件不能像人這樣靈活，至於腦力的方面大概沒有問題，目前就是在視覺、觸覺，在手腳的運用要自行判斷，所以百工百業每一個人在學習的環境不一樣，尤其前端的話，包括設計那些部分我們比較困難，但是在製造方面我們則具有專長，最重要的一塊就是……譬如電焊業要設計一個模型；譬如水泥工要什麼模型，都要設計出來，以後才會有成效。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-01T10:26:02.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-01T10:26:27.075000+08:00 |
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我一直強調一件事情，要有學習的熱潮，運用AI最重要的是要會問問題，問問題才能得到一個正確的答案，所以要如何有學習熱潮……像電視臺那些名嘴，叫他們不要亂講，政府要撥一段時間來講AI的重要，讓全民去學習，他們都是亂講話啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.827 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-01T10:26:28.656000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-01T10:26:56.225000+08:00 |
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我們是講真話，在立法院我們都很清楚，你就是要利用……現在很多人在看的機會，越新奇越好，越刺激越好，但是他們都說一些有的沒的，我是主張你們強制每一個電視臺，每一個名嘴在廣播節目上說：「請大家學習AI，增強臺灣未來的競爭力」，讓大家曉得這個事情的重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.817 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-01T10:26:57.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-01T10:27:15.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你們在講說有，做生意的人、產業的人有要求，但是很多不曉得怎樣去使力，因為這都是有技術的，老師傅的經驗也不交給你；第二，交給你以後給AI來做，他的職位又要被替代了，這個是人性的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-01T10:27:16.831000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-01T10:27:23.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
要如何去突破，要如何讓臺灣每一個人有學習AI的熱潮？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-01T10:27:23.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-01T10:27:27.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
因為這是未來的一個戰力，非常、非常地重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-01T10:27:29.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-01T10:27:42.759000+08:00 |
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百工百業是屬經濟部權管，把它分門別類，比如找一家公司專門研究怎樣做蛋糕，怎樣去……那個都是要學習的一個過程，把它輸入裡面才會應用得當，不然光是嘴巴在講，也不知道從哪裡開始？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-01T10:27:46.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-01T10:28:01.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
在每一個大的變化裡面的推動都非常困難，但是我們一定要持之有恆，百工百業把它分類一下，大概有幾個行業，有那一種模型可以來做，然後做出來讓大家能通用。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-01T10:28:02.668000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-01T10:28:08.311000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
個人的技術，個人的knowhow，把它輸到裡面都可以去改變，好不好？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
何次長晉滄 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-01T10:28:09.012000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-01T10:28:09.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
好，謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-01T10:28:09.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-01T10:28:09.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
謝謝陳超明委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-01T10:28:09.792000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-01T10:28:14.077714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
麻煩陳超明委員幫我代理一下主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
主席（陳委員超明代） |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-01T10:28:14.377714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-01T10:28:17.806286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
現在請召委邱志偉委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0 |