| IVOD_ID |
168082 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168082 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-01T09:56:09+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-01T10:05:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6ae3a98a11df106ca0ab80062b811aab331a35e1dda586ae4047e563c2ae1609e4add9a9fc88eabd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:56:09 - 10:05:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部部長就「能源轉型政策下我國產業發展布局，及中東衝突與全球能源供應鏈重組對能源安全之影響與因應策略」進行報告，並備質詢。
二、邀請國家發展委員會主任委員及經濟部部長就「AI浪潮下台灣傳統製造產業競爭力強化及扶助政策規劃與執行情形」進行報告，並備質詢。【4月1日及2日二天一次會】） |
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好谢谢主席我想要请何市长还有台电台电王总经理 |
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委員好市長就教一下我們現在在談就是核能重啟的這個自主安全檢查但是我其實很想要了解的是現在核二核三的舊機組那會不會因為我們現在用的是舊機組嘛那會不會他的機組的零件現在所有的供應商已經沒有生產了 |
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這個部分是不是回答一下報告委員因為2和3的基礎大概40年所以目前我們所盤點出來的結果初步大概都還有供應商在供應可以供應幾年 |
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對啊因為你這牽涉到你重啟自主安全檢查如果是1.5年後那未來在1.5年後你會不會有相關的就是說零件可以使用以及未來1.5年後如果這些供應商不生產零件的時候那我們要怎麼樣子重啟那這些零件要怎麼樣子取得這是不是 |
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也應該做一下說明好跟委員報告我們這樣說就是分成兩類一類是河島區就是在我們的那個反應爐那一代的那個設備那個是西屋跟基一兩家公司那目前這兩家公司的那個生意那個量體非常的大 |
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也就是說大家都在做重啟的這樣的準備所以相關的零組件即使沒有那它的那個設計圖原始的設計圖都還在所以還是有辦法生產還是有辦法生產是因為這兩家公司還是你也知道是非常大的公司所以是沒有什麼問題 |
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那另外的就是非核導區就是外面的一些發電機、氣輪機的那些設備那些設備基本上都是可以有替換性的所以即使真的沒有生產那我們可以找到替代品來替代還有 |
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你知道我們進行非核假業人就是說政府推動非核假業一段時間了那現在學校裡面相關的合工的人才那會不會有相關的斷層因為其實過去一段時間當沒有這樣子相關的這個經驗的時候未來我們要重啟核電那 |
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這合工人才從何而來而且我們所有過去的合工人才會不會因為現在其他國家重啟核電了嘛那又大量的用核電那會不會已經跑到了周邊的 鄰近的這些國家日本 韓國 大陸等等去對不對 會不會去那裡就是工作那未來我們的人才怎麼辦 |
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跟委员报告我们分两个部分来看一个是既有人才在引进的部分就是学校那个部分我们其实每年都就是之前每年都有跟一些大学合作就是合工人才的引进其实持续在进行只是量稍微少一点所以等于是学校的培养的部分这个部分还是有的那有没有被挖角就是原先的被挖角去别的地方不 |
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部分也會被挖那你們台電裡面的你們台電裡面的我們台電相對因為你們台電裡面的我們台電有台電人的精神所以比較不會他們比較忠誠所以比較不會被挖那這是第一點第二個就是我們還是跟國研院 |
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還有那個就是工研院這些外面的研究機構也在合作就是在做加強訓練讓他們在證照取得跟實務的運轉經驗方面在做強化所以這等於是內外就是新舊的同仁都有在持續的做這方面的經驗所以在那個試運轉計劃所以如果核電重啟不會有人才斷才的斷成的這個現象是不是這是必要條件所以我們人才的準備是一定要做到所以你們現在就充足了嗎 |
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呃持續在擴充當中持續在擴充現在有減少所以持續在擴充當初減少是因為有一部分同仁退休嗯好退休那我們有再新進一些同仁補充好所以你們現在在新增人才當中就對了是都有一些補充補充的這些人才的培訓都是我們在強化的重點 |
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好 市長我再就教一下我們過去就是因應美國關稅的影響我們編了就是460億的預算那就是希望說協助這些企業在升級 資金等等的技術的方面可是我看到了460億的預算現在只核准了762加33.4億是不是 |
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第一個是不是我們的方案沒有辦法協助廠商所以他們沒有申請還是就是說核准的時間過慢還是怎麼樣子是不是請這個部分說明一下因為我們這460億的預算的編列包括研發補助包括市場拓銷還有這個融資保證 |
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以及利息補貼等等所以在這邊呈現的可能只是一個部分而已啦所以我們現在每一個大概每一兩個禮拜我們都會追蹤而且會發布新聞稿會把我們的460億的使用的狀況會跟所有大眾來做交代是現在我們會再送給委員是沒有統計進去應該是就是說我今天呈現的可能只是一部分跟這個AI應用有關的這個部分 |
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399.54 |
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那什么时候可以把一个具体的统计数据给委员会可以我们是不是一个礼拜一个礼拜内把具体的数据给委员会好不好好好把具体的数据给委员会好最后我就叫一下国科会的业主委是国奥会业主委 |
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葉主委我想請教一下就是說現在我們對於要推動的這些數位就是傳產的數位化還有AI的普及率其實我必須要了解說國發會有沒有一個很清楚的KPI |
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以及就是說能夠去追蹤我們現在數位化或AI化因為對傳產來講他很難去自己去跨入那個門檻那所以你必須要協助必須要引導嘛那你們有一個KPI你們現在KPI是什麼有就是輔導這個部分來講的話我們在今年的3月 |
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底為止我們大概輔導的加次有1584那我們116年的目標大概會14000加那就普及率這個部分來講的話在提供AI的那個解決方案這個部分來講的話我們114年底是預計114年底的話我們目標是266個AI的模型 |
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那我們116年底的話會希望說再增加140個AI的模型來協助中小企業導入AI的技術我是說國發會即便是你們做了非常多的模型其實我說的KPI或者是說真的能夠對於中小企業有成效的是說怎麼樣子協助他們轉型 |
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就是說有用的嘛不是說多嘛是不是能夠真的協助他們有用而不是多有用的也許幾個就夠了那能夠協助他們真正的轉型而不是說你們設計了非常多的模型出來結果都沒有用 |
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我們譬如說像在福島這一塊的話其實我們都有在追蹤案例譬如說像福島這一塊的話我們其實舉一個比較指標性的案例就是榮泰銅器公司我們都有在追蹤這幾個特定一些案例然後看這些案例是不是能夠把它散播出去給其他中小微企業做參考 |
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對我是說只要有用就是一個也許就可以大家共同使用而不是說我們發展出很多的模型結果一個都沒有用我們就這些指標性的案例我們會繼續追蹤而且繼續推廣謝謝謝謝委員 |