| IVOD_ID |
168042 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168042 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-31T09:33:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-31T09:48:58+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/107bfa5c42886b5f904d043bf065bd1f22f7b5da98235391004c59078bc6034d6eb0d0d8684cdce65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱議瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:33:03 - 09:48:58 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「要求行政院院長卓榮泰即刻核准各部會動支業經通過之新興民生計畫預算共計718億元，並依法編列『警察人員人事條例』及軍人志願役待遇調整等法律之相關預算，以維護國家整體利益，確保人民基本福祉，並回復憲政體制之正常運作。」是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月27日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 謝謝主席我是不是請一下卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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周委員好院長早院長我想剛剛葉委員在問到這個有關校園安全的議題那從此在今天我其實比較關心的是國家安全的議題我想還是要來請教一下院長軍購案其實現在在立法院的這個正在如火如荼的審查 |
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那我們來看一下去年我們提出的軍購案之後其實包括台灣包括行政院一直不斷的在跟立法院做溝通甚至連美方都一直不斷的透過各種管道來跟立法院做溝通您看到這張照片 |
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CAT在今年的2月27號拜會了韓國瑜院長韓院長也很大方甚至也很公開的說他會將國防特別條例列為最優先的議案所以我相信現在立法院開始進行審查韓院長應該是功不可沒了 |
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好這個美國的AIT呢在這一段時間之內接二連三不斷的在他們的臉書上發文我想這些應該院長您都有掌握甚至在昨天美國的跨黨派聯邦的參議員直接搭乘專機就到台灣來拜訪很顯然美方非常高度重視台灣的安全以及自我防衛的能力但是 |
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我為什麼講說台灣的國家安全在這個時候特別重要在美方多次表達關切而且在立法院在進行軍購特別條例的審查的時候好奇怪喔昨天晚上昨天早上中國竟然片面的就公布了他們要邀請鄭麗文率團去訪問中國 |
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所有的東西由中方來安排由鄭麗文率團去訪問中國院長我想特別請教您喔在這樣的一個敏感的時候鄭麗文當然她上任黨主席之後不斷地強調她希望到中國去訪問可是呢中國早不宣布晚不宣布就在立法院要處理軍購案的時候就在美國的聯邦參議員來到台灣的時候 |
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這個出其不意的來了一個宣布說他要邀請鄭麗文去那鄭麗文要率團去院長您的內心是什麼樣的想法到底這個時候去是統戰被摸頭還是鄭麗文能夠表達什麼樣的意思來院長我想聽一下您的看法 |
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黨的事務我實在不宜多說但是牽涉到國家跟國安跟國家的法律我們必須提醒任何時間去到對岸去進行任何的交涉都必須遵守我們兩岸關係條例當中的規定但是什麼時間是由兩個黨互相去談好的一次的巧合可能會變成歷史上很多的因素就像4月7號 |
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我們是言論自由日卻去到一個言論不自由的國家也是對方在安排的這明顯就是在挑動國內的神經院長你講得很好挑這個4月7號的確它是一個特別的日子 |
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但是挑這一段時間所有的行程規劃內容談判甚至鄭麗文主席要率團去她會率哪些人去不知道我不知道我們行政院有沒有講過但是無論率哪些人有多少人 |
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有沒有立法院的委員有沒有國防委員會的委員去那裡要跟人家談什麼是不是能夠公開透明我想在立法院裡頭藍白兩黨的委員一直不斷的批評我們的對美談判說我們不夠公開透明那請問一下在這麼敏感的時間點去到了中國要求他公開透明 |
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過不過分要求他公開透明是不是應該這是一個很合理的事情院長無論是多少人或是哪些特定人這些任何人或是這個團體都不得與對岸進行正式性的協議也不得談到涉及與政府安全相關問題你講說不得與對岸進行政治性的協議門關起來你怎麼知道他談了什麼而且在這麼敏感的時間點 |
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門關起來我都不知道會不會把這些立法委員如果有去的話或者是隨團去的人會不會把在立法院拿到的這些所謂的機密資料全數貢獻給中國全數輸成 全數繳卸 陸委會有沒有掌握這些資訊來 請教 |
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謝謝邱委員對這個事情的關切我想剛剛院長也提到任何團體赴中國參訪如果沒有政府的授權不能與中國進行涉及政治性的協議以及與政府相關公權力的事項違反著我們依照第五條違反兩條第五條之一處罰如果嚴重 情形嚴重的話 |
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有五年以下的有期徒刑我擔心的不是他去跟中國談任何的協議習近平怎麼會跟鄭麗文這種小咖談協議呢習近平就直接下指令我擔心的是去那裡領旨回來之後繼續顛覆政府繼續擾亂政府繼續弱化台灣的國防這個才是我們所擔心的你擔不擔心這一點 |
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我很擔心其實跟委員報告我剛剛也在外面說我們呼籲中國國民黨復入一定要注意不要落入中國統戰分化的陷阱一方面對台灣是破壞我們的團結動搖我們的民心士氣二方面是向國際社會傳遞錯誤的訊息誤導國際社會這個對台灣的生存發展影響甚巨 |
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我想我們講的這些宣示國民黨大概也都聽懂但是他不一定會照做那對他來講對鄭麗文來講或者是對跟著去的親中的這些人來講他的主子叫習近平 |
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他認同的不是中華民國 不是台灣他只是來顛覆台灣的內政 只是來弱化台灣所以我想也要請未來這一段時間不管是國防 陸委會我想要請行政院要密切關注對於被中國統戰這一件事情現在是堂而皇之的進行 |
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對於台灣的軍購對於台灣的自我防衛能力這一件事情我想還是要請國防部我們還是要全力的捍衛唯有這樣子台灣才能從這個困境裡頭走出來啊這個也是我希望行政團隊能夠 |
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站比較強硬的態度去面對這件事情院長你同意嗎好的 也請委員一起我們對國家跟國人是有信心的從歷次相關的調查當中在台灣的人的國人都不會贊成所謂的九二共識是成為大家的共識是不會的也沒有全世界都奉行什麼一中這個對這次的訪問來講如果帶著這兩個帽子去帶著一中帶著九二而去 |
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那註定這場談判對台灣是不會有利的其實要密切觀察啦國民黨現在內部已經分成兩派包括朱立倫 包括盧秀燕都支持台灣的軍購都支持我們提出來軍購但是鄭麗文 傅坤祺這一派的人是完全親歷於中國 |
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所以我覺得應該密切觀察4月7號誰跟著鄭麗文去去到那裡說了哪些話回來又有哪些的行為表現其實就可以很清楚知道誰是賣台之人我想這一些部分可能要請行政院要密切的觀察注意好 那這個國防部跟陸委會請回我接下來要請教院長在國家的能源議題上面 |
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我想在這個戰略思考上不只是武器能源議題其實也是一個很重要的一個戰略站在一個非常重要的戰略位置喔院長現在這個中東的戰火我想波及的不是只有塑膠袋買不到 |
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對於台灣來說或者是對於全球來說能源的負擔能源的佔比其實是大幅大幅的增加我們現在的一艘液化天然氣LNG船當然我前兩天在詢問經濟部的時候他們跟我說已經掉貨至少到六月前都是安全無虞但是一艘LNG船要十億是多十億多多十億 |
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好 要多了十億啦 應該是這樣 對不起口誤 要多了十億所以到六月就會增加大概要多花了兩百多億元嘛 對不對這對中友來講是一個很重大的財政負擔所以中友有增資的這個急迫性的壓力院長你怎麼看 |
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在台灣現在的天然氣佔比大概是超過百分之 將近百分之五十所以我們的能源佔比能源的配比上面 策略上面是不是要去做一些調整我問過工部長 工部長說過去我們的確沒有這一方面的所謂的政策調整那未來呢 或者是現在呢是不是應該要開始去思考我們的能源佔比到底 |
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未來是低碳優先成本優先還是韌性優先到底我們的能源戰略是什麼我們過去從50 30 20現在50天然氣我們還是維持但30 20對調我們把綠能 |
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增加到30把燒煤降到20希望這個目標能夠達到那天然氣他當然有儲存上比較急迫性的一些問題像現在我們法定11天認為不夠所以我們已經之前就著手準備要多增加一些必要的除氣槽來增加法定安全的儲量同樣的如果現在 |
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因為其他的因素包括國際的因素包括戰爭的因素包括我們整個 AI快速成長的因素我們還有各種可能的能源來源的時候我們不放棄不放棄就剛剛委員跟跟您所提到的 |
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就核能的問題傳統核能跟稀釋核能總統說要核綠共行 核綠並行但是你現在如果要重啟核電你還需要做過很長一段時間的安全評估那就現在的這個大環境之下核綠共行的可行性跟可以實施的期程能夠掌握嗎 |
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我們現在做一中還是一二次能源轉型這個目標但是如果多一項的選擇我們多做一些準備這些準備當有需要的時候我們不會讓我們以後的人發生束手無策所以我們現在多做一些準備但這個準備新式核能可能還有一段時間那傳統核能能否重啟它有很多條件必須完成現在都是未知狀態我們把它啟動這個程序是希望在未來有多一種可能的選項 |
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院長我很謝謝您的這樣的一個回答多做一點準備甚至提早做準備都是好的啦但是現在很快的面臨到了這個能源的問題我想不是現在提早做準備而是要提早因應 |
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所有因為戰爭所帶來的全球的這個能源的危機跟台灣的能源配比上面我們的電網韌性上面電力韌性上面到底足不足夠我想這個是一個很重要的議題那您講到提前準備這件事情我還要再接下來問您一個跟建設重大建設有關來經濟部可以請回 |
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院長我想高雄您大概也去過很多次這個我讓您稍微簡單看一下這個是我當立委到現在為高雄爭取的重大建設國道10號延伸台39線就是高鐵橋下的道路南沿跟台86線的道路南沿我為什麼特別講這個東西你不要覺得它很local2012年開始我開始就任立委之後到高雄當選之後我開始來推動國道10號延伸 |
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一路這樣子努力到2023年第一階段動工2024年第二階段動工到2030年才可以全線通車如果從2012年我開始推到2030年這中間經過了17年 |
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台39的橋下道路這個高鐵到阿聯這一段呢2006年通車之後我們就開始不斷地來開始提出希望台39的橋下平面道路能夠來完成現在呢到我很感謝林佳龍部長2025年的時候林部長在那個之前2023年的時候部長呢林部長同意要來做這件事情所以2025年開始做可行性評估預計要到2033年 |
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才會完工台86命運更坎坷了2012年開始規劃然後呢覺得沒有經濟效益到2019年在我不斷的盧之下2019年重新開啟這個計畫預計2028年動工不是完工是動工 |
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院長 我要提的就是說這一些重大的交通建設動輒要花十幾年規劃然後才動工我都沒有給你寫到後面完工的日程 |
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所以我常常在想國內的重大的建設往往都要花費這麼久這麼久的時間我們投入了一千億其實都是在完成過去十年的規劃都是在完成過去十年的規劃如果依照您剛剛在能源配比的邏輯上面我們要提早準備的話為什麼我們不能往後看十年往後看二十年呢我去年提出的小港機場改建 |
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陳其邁昨天又講一次小港機場需要一個24小時的國際機場高雄需要一個24小時的國際機場一年過去了規劃的進度到哪裡我到現在還沒看到院長我真的期許往前 |
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好,謝謝邱委員,謝謝左院長 |