| IVOD_ID |
168041 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168041 |
| 日期 |
2026-03-31 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-03-31T09:02:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-03-31T09:32:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/107bfa5c42886b5fc8c0ec9d5c76053022f7b5da98235391004c59078bc6034d334a1e86bb4a3c825ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:02:00 - 09:32:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-03-31T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「要求行政院院長卓榮泰即刻核准各部會動支業經通過之新興民生計畫預算共計718億元，並依法編列『警察人員人事條例』及軍人志願役待遇調整等法律之相關預算，以維護國家整體利益，確保人民基本福祉，並回復憲政體制之正常運作。」是否有當？請公決案等3案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、3月27日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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主席好 麻煩請行政院長 謝謝好 請卓院長備詢 |
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我現在關心一下這個物價上漲的問題因為現在傳出來連米大家平常每天吃的米都要漲了所以這個漲價的危機似乎都已經來了有一個國內算是蠻大的一家米商他一天大概出貨大概數萬包米那他每個每天的大概包米的材料到一千萬元但是他最近他現在傳出來就是說他的上游提供 |
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包裝給他的廠商跟他說一開始是說要漲兩成那現在說要漲到一倍了啦那漲一倍之後大家其實就會擔心說那米價是不是會跟著一起漲然後另外現在市場上也傳出很多塑膠類的東西囤貨的狀況比如說有那個回收就是類似那種就是塑膠用的那些 |
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現在也說有囤貨的狀況那國務院會擔心說如果再吃了這一塊這種每天必須要消費的東西上場的話那怎麼辦啊我不知道說包括院長或者是行政院這邊有沒有一些因應措施 |
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謝謝文,我們同樣注意到今天有這樣一個媒體的報導主要是因為包裁因為這個原物料的缺乏以及現在市場上價格比較調整上來的原因,倒不是米做農作物本身我知道,我剛剛有講,不要重複我的問題我現在問說行政院現在的因應措施是什麼?因為如果米都要漲的話,我覺得對國人來說影響很大對,對包裁的問題 |
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昨天已經說明清楚了中油會對於相關的塑膠材料的原物料會做進行的中油會增加生產也會請台塑來恢復原來的供應量希望這樣能夠從上游的原料來增加問題是現在可能已經緩不濟急了我跟委員報告一下那你運估一下米價會不會因為這樣子漲大概會漲多少 |
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現在大概先漲了百分之二十左右吧米會 米會漲百分之二十我說米啦 大家一般不會買包材嘛我跟委員報告一下齁就是您剛才所關鍵的米的包裝袋的部分最主要是現在因為米商擔心它不夠所以有加上那個不好意思不好意思那個院長跟部長因為我們職訓有限不要一直重複我的問題好不好剛剛我的問題我都講過我現在是問說因為國人買的到米國人不會去買米的包裝 |
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所以大家關心的是米價的上漲那關於米價的上漲行政院因應措施還有預期大概米價會漲多少你有沒有信心讓米價不會漲到很多 |
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所以農業部有信心不會造成米價上漲就對了我們會謝謝行政院長也給這樣的承諾不然的話我覺得國人會非常擔心我們會密切關注所有的發展而且會適時檢討必要的平穩物價穩定小組是每週都在對所有的大宗及民生物價進行觀測接下來 |
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院長有這個承諾我覺得很高興就是有注意到這個事再來我想來問一下有關教育就是我一直非常關心的教育的問題那我想院長應該也都有看到就是最近有關於校園暴力事件有幾件社會非常關注其中有一個是在 |
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某一個國中在校外有國二的女學生她被幾個人圍住然後被用履棒敲頭敲了兩下 其中有一下那個履棒還發出聲響換句話說這個如果力道沒有控制好的話這可能是會有生命危險的另外也有一個國中一樣類似的狀況也是有女學生在廁所被大概堵了30分鐘也是一樣下跪被扯頭髮被打 |
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那這樣的校園事件層出不窮我先給院長看一個數據我們看一下PD幫我放一下 |
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這個是最近失蹤熱潮越來越熱雙北15間學校招生撞期,入局率低於兩成那我們再來看一下各個學校的狀況你看媒體整理的資料像南山中學4000人報考入局1000人 |
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但他的入取率,因為他的學校的學生算多啦所以他入取率有到2成5但你看有的學校,比如說像晉興入取27個人,但是有450個人報考,他入取率只有6%那其他包括像嚴平,嚴平入取495人報考3300人嚴平的報考人數多到他必須要去跟其他學校去借考場 |
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那這樣的一個失蹤熱潮,我先問一下,請問一下那個部長或是院長,你有注意到這個現象嗎?校園的安全我們是列在...我有注意到這個失效,大家擠破頭要進失效狀況,你有注意到這個現象嗎?擠破頭進失效我剛剛不是已經給你看過嗎? |
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你有沒有注意到這個現象?我跟你講你還知道嘛,我覺得這個是很嚴重的狀況啦當然我知道院長可能不是那麼關心教育啦但是教育是國家的根本啦那如果私校面臨到這個狀況,當然你要去了解一下是什麼原因啊那為什麼會出現這個情形?那部長您知道?您知道這個狀況嗎?我知道我知道那特別原因是什麼?台北市特別嚴重台北市特別嚴重,原因是什麼? |
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我想當然現在少子化每一個小孩都是家庭的寶那台北相對的家庭的一些經濟情況也比較好當然委員所關心的學校怎麼樣提供一個更 |
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友善的一個校園一個學習的環境教學的環境當然也是教長所在意的剛剛部長有提到少子化我們接下來往下看少子化公立國小的學生人數確實他在113年是下跌 |
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他從106到112公立學校的學生人數有往上但是到114年下跌但是私立國小學生人數是不斷的成長那實際上我們可以看到你現在看私中的小學生就讀的數據 |
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就讀私立國小的學生從10年前2.8%現在已經到3.8%每26個國小生就有一位是讀私立國小但是就讀公立國小的學生從10年前11.7%現在是已經達到14.4%所以私中的或私小的學生他的就讀率提高這個是一個趨勢那真正原因是什麼呢好 下一頁 |
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其實也有雜誌,沒關係我把答案,因為感覺上你們好像也沒有很關心,我直接把答案告訴你我不是不關心,但我們尊重當我們的義務教育、我們教育這個供給量也太多的需求量的時候,我們當然我今天來是想要跟院長對話,我想要跟院長對話,因為院長畢竟是最高行政首長 |
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院長是最高行政首長有的時候這些問題也不是教育部可以單一部會解決啦所以今天才要總質詢來問啦所以請你尊重我我想要多一點時間去跟院長對話不知道部長這樣可以嗎那這個親子天下他有去訪問非常多的校長他得到一個結論就是說為什麼大家都擠破頭要去失蹤呢有一個趨勢他說安全感是家長最在乎的關鍵字 |
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那其中你看第一句話他講說校園安全是家長選校的首要考量換言之其實現在很多家長他要把小朋友送到什麼學校公校或私校其實他考慮的是我的小朋友送到學校裡面去安不安全會不會面臨到校園暴力這些狀況那我為什麼剛剛我講說 |
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這個不是教育部一個單步可以解決的其實我是幫教育部講話啦我幫學校老師講話很多人只要發生這樣的事件第一個直覺就是校長沒有管好 老師沒有管好校長出來道歉 老師出來道歉或是說要求教育部全面徹查全國的校安通報有沒有狀況 |
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但有的時候並不是完全是學校可以處理的嘛比如說有一些他有校園暴力行為的這些學生他背後都有干戈啊背後都有干戈啊那我就問啊請問一個校長一個老師他怎麼獨自去面對有背後有干戈有干戈的這些學生學校有辦法嗎部長你認為學校老師或學校校長有辦法嗎 |
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我想學校在這一個部分他過去也累積了一些經驗跟地方的這一個正當位還有社工我是說你認為學校老師沒有辦法獨立嘛獨立完成嘛他是整個社會體系嘛包括他要結合社政結合警政甚至於家庭 |
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都要一起努力嘛,才有可能讓這種事情不是再發生嘛所以第一個就是說不要完全去怪教育、學校這是我幫學校老師講的話第二個當然也是要請部長希望能夠去統合就是各個資源讓這樣的問題不要再繼續發生那我自己是有 |
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提一個法案啦我上次在質詢的時候我提兩個建議一個建議是說我希望說我們應該要成立一個專屬學校那個專屬學校提供資源或輔導資源讓這些可能在學校裡面他平常就帶刀械上課 |
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或者是他有校園暴力行為背後有乾哥乾姊的這種人他在學校裡面一個學校只有一個全校的師生都會受到影響那怎麼辦好那上一次院長部長的回答是說沒關係我們會增加輔導資源我們輔導很棒什麼但是沒有用就是沒有用現在就是沒有用所以怎麼辦呢其實我建議就是說我們可以委託 |
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很不錯的教育團體他成立一個專屬學校然後把這些在學校可能會威脅其他師生生命安全的這些學生移到那個專屬學校去那大家會說強制他轉學是不是會再造成其他學校的問題我再次強調不是轉到一般其他的學校因為轉到其他學校就是其他學校的問題我們是轉到一個專屬學校可以公辦民營或公辦公營 |
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那這個部分教育部以前也有經驗啊就是例如說以前你們有成立實驗學校那這些實驗學校還有各自的特色但我們這個學校就是加強輔導資源社工或各方面資源針對這些我剛剛講的那些可能會成為校園報應因子的這些學生 |
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加強資源讓他制裁市所針對他們提供教育我的建議是這樣我不知道院長你認不認同這樣的方向細節我覺得我們可以討論那現在我們因為上次講教育部沒有動作所以我已經立專法那專法我們上次在委員會也開過公聽會 |
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我不知道院長你支持這樣的方向很多對於這種青少年或是其他行為療癒的過程當中我們都曾經說過回歸社區也許是一個比較崇高的理想但是對一個年輕人他人格的養成如果能夠他回歸社區回歸自然對他未來是有成長的空間比較好的所以我認為把它集中式的管理 |
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不是見得是教育上最好的你成立一個學校部長 院長我覺得你們在談論事情永遠都是站在這些加害人的角度比如說他拿那個女棒去敲女學生的頭那個力道如果說沒有控制好的話女學生生命可能會喪失但是我在跟你討論說怎麼去解決類似這樣的一個校園問題但院長的回覆永遠都是說那這些 |
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打人的學生他不要回到社區嗎他們的人權不重要嗎他們的授教權不重要嗎但是那我就問啊那被打的那個學生他的授教權不重要打人的學生他應該受到該有的效果對但是他繼續但是他繼續在校園裡面成為大家恐懼的一個 |
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一個對象所以你沒有辦法解決這個問題嘛你現在我覺得我也很支持我認同你的部分觀點啦那些打人的學生拿鋁棒敲人的甚至於發生國三案國三割喉案的那個那個兇手那不能把他留在校園裡面啊他那一個人就是進到校園才殺人的嘛 |
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他就是進到校園來殺人的嘛我現在就是針對這一些他還沒有殺人因為他殺人才能被抓去關換句話說就是他們在學校裡面變成一個不定時炸彈可是什麼時候大家會他什麼時候會離開呢是等到他殺人他才能離開啊所以你現在就是等他你現在所有的家長都在想說他什麼時候離開他犯了法 嚴重的法律重他才能離開 |
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輔導的過程就是在針對這些輔導就是沒有用啦 院長輔導要是有用的話就不會發生這樣的事情那誰來決定說魔甲也要把它放到學校裡面細節部分我的專把裡面都有寫有專家 有教育部或者是像院長你關心教育的話你也可以參加來決定什麼樣那種當然不是所有的人你只要犯一點錯或什麼都把你離開 不是而是說真的每天帶刀上課 |
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如果一個班上有一個同學是每天戴蝴蝶刀上課甚至在課堂上耍弄蝴蝶刀你覺得在那個學校的師生不會緊張嗎老師學校的一些行政人員就應該有所警惕事先做好這些規範跟防範並且要有全面的制度你現在又在把責任推給行政人員如果行政人員真的因為他背後都有干戈乾解我剛剛已經講了啦有的時候學校行政人員也沒有辦法處理啦 |
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我先講說你認不認同嘛因為你是要保護絕大多數想要安心上學的學生然後讓他們的家長放心讓老師可以好好教書還是針對那一個兩個那帶刀械上課在學校會發生嚴重暴力但他一直在學校裡面的人你是比較在乎誰嘛 |
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有這種嚴重暴力的繼續留在學校當然不行啦謝謝院長所以他現在就是留在學校所以我才會提出一個專法那院長你剛剛的顧慮我覺得我們都可以細部的部分我們都可以來討論可是我希望在大方向上面可以得到你的支持 |
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就是說針對這些你剛也有提到那些重大暴力但一直留在學校的我們可以另外成立專屬學校強制他轉學到那邊但那個學校也是學校喔那不是不是大家你想的那種好像是什麼集中管理集中營不是他也是一個學校你也可以108課綱他也可以各種得志體群美通通都可以那裡面誰來管這些你說的這些比較有這些傾向的人所以他這個學校學校當然就是你要找那種像我就有建議嘛你找那種 |
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就是有一些教育團體啊他們有很多理念也想實踐的啊以人為本的啊正向教育啊然後這個愛的教育啊然後讓他們覺得在這個地方感覺到很正向他們那暴力志氣就沒有了然後他們在那邊好好學習 |
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那越南的學校得到喘息這個兩全其美關於校園的安全我歡迎你提出任何的想法那這個經過大家審慎的討論跟專家學者團體教育人員都好好的了解也跟教堂人員我現在只是問你說這個大方向你支持如果你大方向支持的話大方向是維持校園的安全沒有人反對就是不支持說針對那些有暴力的可能會殺人的或可能會這個 |
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他的存在會讓其他師生感到恐懼的這些學生有暴力會殺人的不應該留在校園對你說的喔有暴力會殺人的有這種行為不該留在校園他如果有這種傾向你只說殺人以後不該留在校園還是說他可能會殺人比如說他每天帶刀他也沒殺人啊但是他每天帶刀你也沒辦法拿怎麼樣啊 |
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那這個行為如果去判斷,要經過包括司法的、犯罪學的還有心理學的,大家去討論一下怎麼來界定這個行為謝謝院長,其實院長你講的跟我的立法方向是大致上的一致因為我也是認為不應該誰怎麼樣隨便就把它轉到但是如果像您剛剛出現的狀況 |
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如果連比如說司法的學者或者是犯罪學專家或者是很多都認為說他這種學生他還沒殺人但是他留在學校已經造成他其他人的恐懼而且非常有可能他隨時有可能刀子就往別人身上捅了這種人我們把他強制轉學到我剛剛講的專屬學校好謝謝院長因為我們已經公聽會了對我們已經公聽會了所以所以那個接下來的細節 |
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因為院長我們在一個會期才能見你一次,希望你跟部長講一下,我們之後好好討論,院長大方向認同部長很關心教育,你不要開始說部長不關心教育沒有,我沒有說他,是你比較不關心,因為我剛剛問你說私立學校的狀況,你說你不知道 |
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那但是現在所有家長都有注意到私立學校急破頭的狀況因為院長你可能國政大事太多教育比較放後面啦但是部長是很關心的啦教育是很重要的國家的大事部長不要插個話院長對教育事實上是非常關心的包含教師的一個福利等等的都是在院長的史事效我們積極的去尋求解決的一些方案好謝謝好然後 |
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再來除了校安的部分除了剛剛講的專訪因為院長認為大方向可行細節我們再來討論之外上個會期大概是十月的時候也有建議說校安人員可以增加現在高中的校安人員是六個班一個可是國中是六十個班一個而且也是爭取 |
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很久才得到的,這樣的一個那十月份的時候我有跟院長講說校很重要,那是不是可以我們一開始奢望說,忽然很多人要錢嘛是不是可以再增加一位,變成六十班兩位那我跟院長跟部長報告實際上那六十班增加那一位校運人員,他在學校裡面已經發揮 |
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我覺得很多校長都覺得說有這個人有真的還不錯啦譬如說他們可以幫忙巡堂他們可以有一些學生的小衝突他可以幫忙排解然後上下班的時候他們也可以幫忙跟我們報告我想國民教育主要的 |
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不是我們在卸責主要是在地方但是中央跟地方的共同合作以國教署我們現在目前700多所的735所的國中我們已經提供了 |
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將近六百所,等於額外給他一個國中的這個所謂的校安行政人力所以超過八成以上,所以我要談的是說我也希望地方也要看到問題也要共同來承擔我還沒有講我的訴求啦,不要這樣子啦 |
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你剛剛講的那一位校園委員就是我講的,就是六十班一位,是同一件事情我們現在討論說校園需不需要多一位我只是要跟委員報告,我應該由中央全部來承擔這樣的一個責任我是覺得是這樣子,我們討論這個東西,我們現在討論該不該做 |
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如果說該做的話那當然教育部 部長等一下啦部長等一下好不好 我都還沒有講完好不好我都還沒講完 院長可不可以跟部長講一下至少讓我把問題講完嘛部長的意思很清楚了 中央或是地方該不該做我知道 地方早就該做我知道啦 我知道中央當然就是說應該地方在做嘛因為學校都是地方管的嘛但是今天因為我們教育部是主管全國的教育單位嘛 |
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那如果教育部你認為站在全國的高度這個事情是應該做的那教育部當然就應該跟地方政府協調嘛去跟地方政府說我們覺得該做那是不是可以增加對不對你至少這個態度拿出來嘛至於說錢怎麼分那大家可以再討論嘛或者是 |
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那如果說我們在跟教育部反應的時候,教育部的第一個反應是說那不關我,那是地方的事我們已經做了六十班一個,其他就是看地方啊那我就覺得失去了教育部存在的意義啦我就覺得失去教育部存在的意義因為教育部本來就是應該站在全國的高度如果這個東西是全國都需要的話,教育部就要去協調我覺得態度是這樣那接下來我們來討論這個事情該不該做所以我才會提到那一位消音人員,他有幫到忙 |
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那我希望爭取多一位那十月份的時候教育部因為總諮詢有回函啦然後最後給我的結論是講說因為其實跟你剛剛回答差不多就是說已經含尋各地方政府收集協助事項並於114學年上學期結束後檢討並適時滾動經濟本計劃相關措施那我想問一下因為你已經滾動式檢討 |
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所以現在有在進行嗎我們這個校安人員一直都在想各式各樣的一個方法跟地方合作希望當然剛開始都是中央我們釋出善意而且來協助地方優先因為上學期結束後檢討上學期已經結束了我是想問說你們現在檢討的狀況是怎麼樣 |
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這會後我再跟委員做詳情報告所以你不知道?好,那沒有關係,你會後再補資料給我那院長,這樣子,有一件事情我覺得以你的高度應該也可以來處理一下因為這個校安人員,我們撇開人數來講,他大概薪水是四萬 |
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那我一直在想說如果有一些退休的軍職人員或退休的警職人員他如果進去學校願意當這個校安人員的話實際上因為他過去有受過相關的訓練也許在校安的維護上比一般沒有受過這樣的訓練的人可能會更好一點 |
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但是這些軍職人員 警職人員他其實面臨到一個問題就是如果你是軍工叫退休的話你再就業他會有一個薪資的上限那個上限是最低薪資所以如果校安人員他的薪水是四萬多的話那他就沒有辦法來做這個工作但其實他們是適合的 |
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那我有一個建議啦其實跟教育部有關係最近發生一個現象謝謝教育部把那些就是代理老師或中年老師的這個中年費提高了嘛感謝大家爭取半天終於提高但我們覺得不夠啦如果更多會更好但是至少跨出第一步那現在因為在學校都缺老師缺老師的情況之下有一些課就會找退休的老師回來代課那退休老師回來代課他就是領中年費 |
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那結果中年費提高那這些老師帶的課以前可能比如說是一個數字但是現在因為提高嘛所以他帶的課就變少了因為他一下就已經突破他的那個在就業薪資的天花板了那就造成說學校又要再找其他的人來帶課那其實你讓退休老師回來帶課是一件很好的事情為什麼呢 因為 |
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那些老師都有教學的經驗他只是退休了所以我一直在想說可不可以院長我之前在委員會也有跟人事總署但是每次再問都是在研議我們都不知道研議到什麼時候是不是請院長重視這個事情針對那些退休軍公教再就業把天花板提高甚至取消你看我剛剛講的你讓軍職或者是教官他們回來學校 |
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當教安人員他就不受這個天花板的限制了還有剛剛戴克老師不受天花板限制這個第一個可以解決教學現場的人力問題第二個我覺得從正當性來講因為當初訂定這個天花板在年改之前那你後來也年改了他的退休金也沒有領得像之前這麼多所以你讓他再就業的薪資提高我覺得是說得過去還有一個就是說你不是平白無故給他錢他其實是後來付出勞力貢獻社會取得的報酬 |
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那這個部分你就算不給這些退休的軍公教做你請一個一般的人勞工也是要付一樣的薪水對國家也沒有損失所以我想說從這幾個面向是不是院長可以跟人事總處教育部研究一下像這些退休的軍公教回到校園甚至回到其他的領域做服務的話可以取消或者是拉高他的薪資上限不知道院長可以嗎 |
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在教師能力目前上有考量的時候這不是一個好方法而且已經在執行了那委員現在重視的是說他回來繼續上課關於這個人事制度上這個費用薪資怎麼計算那請這個將來要不要整個人事制度的調整我跟委員報告一下大概分兩個部分一個部分這個牽涉到我們要再跟 |
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另外一個就剛才委員有特別提到我們內部會從調高他的待遇的部分我們去做一些努力調高待遇什麼意思調高他薪資上限是不是大概會調高多少我現在沒有辦法給你一個明確的數字大概調高多少嗎沒有現在我們還在計算 |
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我覺得就衡量我剛剛講幾個因素好不好就是說把他調高到上限然後讓他至少可以回到校園嘛 |
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之類的 因為我們現在我在質詢教育的議題啦我是要解決教育現場的問題啦好不好 院長是不是可以幫忙盯一下這個事情我們可以這樣說 如果我們調高一些老師的待遇不要因為調高待遇影響現在在進行當中的不是不是 我現在講的不是那個院長你好像沒有聽懂我們質詢的議題啦上次我們調高的待遇 讓他課變少了啊 |
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我現在講的是我們是希望調高老師待遇啦而且是越高越好沒問題少吃話我現在是針對退休軍公教的部分如果退休軍公教他再就業他會有一個薪資的上限 |
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是針對退休 會超過所以我現在是針對退休軍公教希望把它的天花板把它打開所以我說我們調高待遇不要去影響現在已經在執行剛剛委員說的那個部分我們來做一個合理的這個檢討還有像剛剛講那個校安就是校安也可以一併來解決這樣好那接下來想問一下那個核電的問題我很快因為我時間 |
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已經剩2分鐘了,我很快問一下,請問一下院長,我們現在要重啟核二核三嘛還要經過相當的程序,3月底要送再運轉計畫啦,我肯定啦,因為說實在的,那時候我們在通過核管法的時候,我們被亂罵一通啦還成為被罷免的理由啦,但是核管法實際上只是讓核二核三可以 |
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重啟有法規鬆綁不會受到限制但至於說到底最後要不要送再運轉計畫決定權其實在台電跟經濟部跟行政院所以台電願意 核安會的委員會審所以我肯定因為你願意送這個計畫代表說你其實也想試試看能不能重啟 |
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你想試試看,這已經...因為已經過了40年這個必須除役的年...對對對,就是說你願意送因為以前廢核家園是講到核就很害怕嘛,說不行不行這個怎麼還有人講到什麼國安問題什麼之類的那你現在願意送,代表你願意是我,這個我肯定但是行政院又講了一個三原則一個原則是,核安無虞 |
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第二個叫核廢有解 第三個叫社會共識因為核安會會審 核安我們尊重專業社會共識其實這是一個伴隨而來的原則就是你只要告訴大家核安無虞 核廢又有解我相信社會就會高度共識 |
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所以我覺得關鍵是核廢因為我在這幾天我還是聽到民進黨很多立委說你放心啦 核二核三不會重啟啊不然核廢料要放你家嗎核廢料要放你業人之家嗎我家 我就常常被嗆這件事如果核廢料可以放我家 我家早就滿了啦核廢料當然是要經過專業的處理但是我想問院長 |
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因為院長我先要那個具體的回答核二按照台電的規劃核三按照台電的規劃最快最快是一個核三是2028可以重啟最快我現在我沒有辦法講最快或是最慢因為這個審查的過程他的老化他的太舊院長那我想問一下如果核安沒問題然後核廢有解的定義是什麼是要最終處置長出來嗎還是其實放到幹事處審查就可以最終處置長不因為是核二核三是否重啟而存在他一直都在 |
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好 謝謝葉委員 |