iVOD / 168028

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IVOD_ID 168028
IVOD_URL https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168028
日期 2026-03-30
會議資料.會議代碼 委員會-11-5-36-4
會議資料.會議代碼:str 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議
會議資料.屆 11
會議資料.會期 5
會議資料.會次 4
會議資料.種類 委員會
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會議資料.標題 第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議
影片種類 Clip
開始時間 2026-03-30T11:23:38+08:00
結束時間 2026-03-30T11:36:32+08:00
影片長度 00:12:54
支援功能[0] ai-transcript
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委員名稱 洪孟楷
委員發言時間 11:23:38 - 11:36:32
會議時間 2026-03-30T09:00:00+08:00
會議名稱 立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第4次全體委員會議(事由:邀請司法院秘書長、法務部部長、內政部警政署就「法院安全秩序維護與法警職權行使」進行專題報告,並備質詢。)
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transcript.whisperx[0].text 謝謝好主席謝謝麻煩請那個司法院秘書長請高秘書長好秘書長
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transcript.whisperx[1].text 我想我們今天感謝周偉排這個專報那最主要也是因為看到三月中的這一個法院律師受到攻擊的一個事件但這個應該不會是一個個案啦我覺得我們應該要整體的檢討是說到底我們現在在各法院開這個開庭的時候有沒有這種治安或說秩序沒有辦法維持的一個狀況也因此我想要講的是說
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transcript.whisperx[2].text 就是從2018年其實也有調查新竹地院的人犯逃脫事件當時也有看到是三名法警輪值而造成說沒有加派戒護而有這個狀況那可不可以現在比較明確的讓我們知道就是說過去一年或過去三年裡面到底我們在法院上面有多少這樣子的一個不管是攻擊事件攜帶違紀品或者是說妨礙法庭秩序的一個狀況
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transcript.whisperx[3].text 我們有沒有做相關的統計有 其實各法院都會有相關資料只是我手邊一下子沒辦法告訴委員說總共大概會有幾件因為我們比較難理解的是說法院照理講它就是一個最公家機關而且它是一個這個執法機關那在這裡面都沒有辦法維持秩序可是另外一點
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transcript.whisperx[4].text 換過頭來講 您剛剛也有提到委員諮詢講是說畢竟是兩兆雙方都在那邊所以說可能難免情緒的一個部分所以現在到底哪一些法院的這個妨礙法庭秩序的狀況是比較嚴重的
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transcript.whisperx[7].text 聽到很多的陳情這也是過去到現在很多團體要求的就是說在法院上面其實在被害者的角色就加害者他當然他就是坐在這個然後這個檢察官跟他來做一個審理嘛但被害者不管是被害者或被害者家屬其實他都沒有一個固定的座位甚至說被害者或被害者家屬沒有辦法去做一個
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transcript.whisperx[8].text 關於刑事訴訟法 關於被害人參與的部分
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transcript.whisperx[9].text 其實很多人不管律師不管是法律學者也都有相關的建議我想這已經不是第一次了但是本席因為我們也正式提出了案件也有很多的委員共同的參與連署也因此我今天特別利用這個機會來就教一下秘書長
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transcript.whisperx[10].text 其實在這個刑事訴訟法裡面是有規定在科刑程序前就像委員所說的一定要讓這個被害人參與但現在唯一就是剛剛委員也提到我們在法組法上面關於被害人在法庭的席位我們是沒有規定所以我們這次也要把它列入讓被害人他們有個
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transcript.whisperx[12].text 我們是沒有把他列出一個專用席可是會請他跟檢察官坐在一起如果他到庭的話會請他坐在因為那邊剛好有空位那就請他坐我們是沒有一個名牌的專用席這樣子而已來 民務長我想確認一下是現行就已經這樣做了還是說你們預計要做這樣的修法
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transcript.whisperx[13].text 各個法官請秘書長可以把麥克風靠近一點這個細節可不可以請我們私行聽來檢要說明一下沒有問題檢要說明一下跟委員報告其實就是因為法院組織法授權司法院應該訂立一個法院席位的佈置規則
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transcript.whisperx[15].text 那剛剛秘書長說的確實沒錯就是因為有時候被害人比較多的時候那那個席位可能會不太夠所以就會稍微往旁邊做一些但是基本上我們還是法官的訴訟指揮還是會盡量讓被害人跟被告這邊會有區隔好來 那秘書長
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transcript.whisperx[16].text 既然我們已經有往這個方向來邁進了那本席也講是說那就是不是能夠有法治化或說更明確的一個規範那以及就是說在這個案件的審理過程當中被害人或是被害人家屬的意見表達其實也是相關重要
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transcript.whisperx[17].text 因為來你麥克風可以按開沒關係沒問題其實刑事訴訟法已經規定了法官在訴訟指揮上面本來就是要讓這個被害人要去陳述意見但我們現在看到很多的實際的狀況會是到最後已經都審理完畢法官可能再給被害人或是被害人家屬一個說明的機會但這個時候也許早已經有自由心證也許早已經判決就已經差不多了
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transcript.whisperx[19].text 各界還是質疑法官在審判程序上是不是給這些被害人更多的陳述機會我們會在教育上再次提醒其實法規是有的
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transcript.whisperx[20].text 我們會再次的來提醒法官所以我想民主黨其實你回答蠻正向的就是說也認為是說應該要參照如果一個案件裡面被害者最直接的他的意見其實表達也算是重要
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transcript.whisperx[24].text 缺席率就是沒有報道率最高那我們要怎麼樣因為這已經不是冰凍三尺非一日之寒這不是第一次的問題那其實司法法治委員會幾乎每個會期都會有委員提醒但到目前為止感覺缺口是越來越大是跟委員首先當然要謝謝這個趙偉還有我們委員會
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transcript.whisperx[25].text 支持我們讓書記官的專業佳績提高了到六千多塊雖然不多也是用感覺可是跟委員報告其實以書記官現在的業務量跟早期的他的工作量來講其實我個人認為一股的法官應該有兩個書記官
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transcript.whisperx[28].text 第一線同仁的委屈我們都理解但是您是會秘書長這不能變成是抱怨大會所以我現在本席提出來是說能夠協助我們都願意來協助但重點是第一 援俄的問題嘛第二是待遇的問題那待遇司法法治委員會已經有協助加這個津貼了
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transcript.whisperx[34].text 跟委員報告 中研合法我們不是主管機關
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